TRPG General Chat

2:01 PM

@Miniman I can confirm that both of the chases Nits has run in our ToA group have been great fun. The pace/action was a bit faster, and more exciting, than standard combats tend to be. (First one was urban chase seen, second one was in the jungle).

@BESW Well, they had created the exhaustion mechanic, so they needed to find another way to implement it besides hosing over the Berserker Barbarian sub class. :p

@goodguy5 I dropped the author two bucks. Looks like a good product on first read through.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast YOu get the feeling on the Jump question, OP just wants us to confirm their incorrect value?

goodguy5

Yea. it was a great kickstart to my campaign/

I made up two more demon temples. and the party is on their way to the third, now.

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri Dare I suggest that folks "read the manual" in a case like this? I found the chase stuff when I first got the DMG. Not hard to find.

kviiri

@KorvinStarmast The problem is, the DMG is generally owned by the DM only

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri We have had a different experience. Making that choice is a part of "thinking tactically" ...

NautArch

2:08 PM

Is this question on topic? My hunch is that it is, but how to manage ADHD seems like it's best dealt with elsewhere as those techniques will apply here.

kviiri

"read the manual" would work better if the manual was actually available for everyone playing

> Players: "we want to run away"
> GM: "ok let me teach you these hidden rules from the DMG that you never heard of"

KorvinStarmast

@Miniman The players flipping the switch ... why is that necessary? They make the decision to (1) disengage and move and (2) maybe also try to obstruct the potential chasers. I concede to you that the DM has to decide for the monsters "do we chase or not" ... but that's consistent with TTRPG not being a video game...

@kviiri I am not going to get into this again, have already discussed with doppel in the past about the complaints about how the rules were written ... I do not take the "DM versus Players" PoV that is necessary for that complaint to be valid.

kviiri

@KorvinStarmast It's not necessary for the complaint to be valid in the slightest.

Ben

Been working on the foreword and intro for my Diablo Campaign.

6 hours so far lol.

I need sleep

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Yes, they want to get into an argument, and can't be bothered to understand the mechanics

kviiri

2:12 PM

The players are expected to know the rules, but they're not expected to read the DMG --> rules that are only in the DMG are cumbersome

nitsua60

@KorvinStarmast Not only to lots of people not have the DMG, I'd say it's not worth the $50. I don't, generally, recommend it to people.

kviiri

I think a large part of the failure of chase rules is that they're "hidden" in the DMG instead of being in the PHB like the other rules are. I just don't see the point in that.

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri The problem is, the DMG is generally owned by the DM only .. interesting assumption and assertion. Also interesting assumption that a DM won't discuss those rules (which I see as optional in the first place, like the flanking rules) with the players. Yeah, you are founding your complaint on a DM versus Players situation. I have not had that problem at any of the five tables I've played at. YMMV

goodguy5

Because chasing isn't a default game mechanic.

The "out of the box" way to handle things is to attack it, skill it, or talk it.

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 I think there's a good reason for that. Each such situation is fluid ...

kviiri

2:15 PM

@KorvinStarmast No I'm not. I'm founding it on the assumption that a player hasn't necessarily read the DMG.

NautArch

@goodguy5 or...run away!

kviiri

And that the GM isn't infallible.

Rubiksmoose

So we seem to be getting a lot of opinion-based answers here with little to back them up

@Rubiksmoose Pure opinion. I don't think there are any guidelines for this, so it is completely up to the DM — BlueMoon93 5 mins ago

goodguy5

I mean. look at lost mines of phandelver.

Everything there doesn't chase the players. It expressly says as much.

You go in, kill the stuff, and carry on with your life.

kviiri

@KorvinStarmast Flanking rules are way simpler than the chase rules: their basic idea can be explained in about a minute even if the specifics may require clarification. The chase rules are an actual engine more akin to combat. It's a logistic problem.

The PHB already includes optional rules where it's beneficial for the players to have access to them. Why hide the chase engine in the DMG?

NautArch

2:18 PM

@Rubiksmoose yup :(

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri How the game is played. 1. DM describes situation (monsters!) 2. Players describe their actions (Run Away) 3. DM narrates result. (You run away, they chase you, or you run away, they don't chase you). That's the basics. You don't need the chase rules to do that, but I find them to be fun.

kviiri

@KorvinStarmast True, but that still doesn't address the issue that the chase rules are cumbersome to bring into play because it's a relatively complex system the players can't really be expected to know.

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri FWIW, I don't disagree that having a chase mechanic in the PHB would have hurt.

goodguy5

I actually feel like chase rules should be in dmg

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast Unless they printed it on a page that's actually a mimic.

KorvinStarmast

2:21 PM

@kviiri "Expected to know" .... I am going to just say that we seem to have very different table experiences. NO worries. @NautArch Ooh, good point. eyes coffee cup suspiciously

@kviiri my experience in 5e has been, in all cases, collaborative between players and DMs, and for the first two campaigns very much "we're all learning this as we go/together" in tone/mode. We each have various previous editions experiences, and tripped over "new stuff is WHAT?" many times.

nitsua60

@KorvinStarmast Don't gloss over, though, "players describe characters' actions" can be strongly influenced by the decisions designers made years ago of how to present some actions that players might declare. Imagine if there had been one paragraph in the PHB's "actions in combat" section that said "Flee: if you choose to spend all your energy and attention trying to extricate yourself from mortal danger, you may flee. If your enemies choose to pursue you the DM may use the Chase rules in the DMG."

kviiri

@KorvinStarmast You have what, 30 years of RPG expetiencr under your belt?

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri Yes, there was about a 10 year break from the start.

@nitsua60 I got the idea that "Disengage" was the tool for that. I see your point.

kviiri

@KorvinStarmast Well, that experience is going to help you fill in where the books are kind of bad.

nitsua60

@KorvinStarmast It's just my experience that Disengage doesn't quite get us there. (Based on all the conversations and sessions around "running away doesn't work in 5e!") =D

kviiri

2:31 PM

(also, where you see "DM vs players", I see "everyone trying to collaborate but being kinda bad at it for a variety of reasons")

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri For me, yes. Thanks for a better explanation on how my view is not capturing very well what you are experiencing.

@nitsua60 I guess part of my bias is that I always treat a D&D game somewhat tactically, and have from the beginning, so I am often entering a situation with an eye toward "do we have a way out of here if things go south?"

nitsua60

@KorvinStarmast I don't know if I would have done a better job designing the engine myself. I do know, though, that literally the first lunch-table conversation I had with my work-buddy about 5e was "how do you run away? Like, either you Disengage and they cut you to ribbons slowly, or you Dash and they dash and OA you to death, or you attack and move away (OA again!) and they follow and attack and it's just them cutting you to ribbons 2x faster than you hurt them."

KorvinStarmast

The original Korvin died due to our group not having kept that in mind when we got into a hairball and our retreat rout was cut off.

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast thanks again for speaking with me recently about random encounters and maps and such in OD&D, turns out all that stuff is why a friend of mine loved the early games so much. :) It's sad that stuff has all sorta gone away in recent editions.

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 While there's usually a "drop a spell that slows them down as part of the disengagement" decision/process, I can see some tactical situations where you can't effectively flee. So the characters die, or the DM chooses not to pursue.

@doppelgreener Pleased to be of any help; I wonder if 5e westmarches style games are close to that? I hear that some of the OSR stuff is ...

doppelgreener

2:36 PM

Said friend has most of their interest in OSR nowadays, so that's very likely preserving many of these ideas

KorvinStarmast

@kviiri I am not sure how much or how deeply this has happened, but there seems to be a bit of a feedback loop between CRPG's and RPG's, and expectations. What I may not grok very well in the case you are describing is how expectations arise when one wasn't there before that feedback loop began.

@doppelgreener I am hoping to play that OSR Greek Mythology Clone one of these days, it's sort of a spoof, but it's also put together coherently.

nitsua60

@doppelgreener It's the topic of Angry's feature article this week: how to do Random encounters "right." (Can't link, because I don't think it's dropped yet.)

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast I haven't heard of this one. Does it have capricious and petty gods? Greek gods being capricious and petty was great.

KorvinStarmast

Mazes and Minotaurs. I got in on a pdf download that IIRC was free.

doppelgreener

@nitsua60 Let me know when he has a less angry version :P

nitsua60

2:40 PM

@doppelgreener I wouldn't hold my breath. Unless you want to go back to blue....

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener Legendary Games Studio .... it is a bit tongue in cheek also.

doppelgreener

@nitsua60 haha :D

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 I think that your point on the $50 spent on DMG being of dubious value has merit, though in a given gaming group, that might be spread out among the players .... depends on the group.

nitsua60

@KorvinStarmast Oh, sure. In a group it's nice to have 1. But it's a tragedy of the commons done small-style: it's good for the collective to have one, but I'm not wont to recommend it to any specific person =)

(TIL: I've been using "wont" as its antonym my whole life. [re-calculating life choices...])

doppelgreener

It's one of those words......

One of those words that trolls you by sounding like it should mean its opposite.

KorvinStarmast

2:47 PM

@doppelgreener Yes, for which I blame that contraction won't ... which is a contraction of "will not" ... wait, should that not be win't?

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast in the new american dictionary it will be win't

as will be released after the USA splits into two halves in 2040

Sir Cinnamon

As it is wont to do

doppelgreener

yes :D

kviiri

Finnish copyright law is pretty awesome because you can copy copyrighted works for personal non-profit use

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch what do you think of my answer? I think the logic I use is compelling, but do you see any holes in it?

NautArch

2:54 PM

I don't know if i'm being an intellectual elitist, but having an undergraduate degree in a subject is technically correct you've got a degree in that subject, but it just doesn't feel right to state it like that.

@Rubiksmoose This is very similar to Dino's answer, with the change being no particular order vs preferred order.

Maybe rather than a list of options, it's a (possibly incomplete) list of considerations

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch (having read only that sentence) it may be a regional thing. Where I am from I think that would be a normal way to phrase that "I have a degree" and for any other tier you specify ("I have a masters degree")

goodguy5

I always felt like "undergraduate degree" was a stupid term.

Like, suckah, I graduated.

Sir Cinnamon

Kind of like US having technically different meanings for "College" and "University" than we do in Canada

goodguy5

@SirCinnamon no we don't

I mean, you say one in a slightly more "posh" accent, but same thing

oh, wait, I'm sorry. I misread that

NautArch

@goodguy5 Yeah, that's kinda my feeling. Having an undergraduate degree in X isn't the same as having a Degree in X. You've taken some courses, but you are not an expert.

Rubiksmoose

2:59 PM

@NautArch We looking at the same answer? I deleted my old one.

NautArch

And that answer phrases it like it makes them an expert.

goodguy5

I thought you were saying "In the US, "College" and "University" have different meanings, unlike in Canada"

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose oh, ha! That's what I was looking at :(

one sec.

Rubiksmoose

:)

Sir Cinnamon

@goodguy5 Haha no, thats my confusing word choice

In canada College is different from University, unlike the USA

goodguy5

3:00 PM

yea. got it

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose yes, I like it!

Rubiksmoose

I welcome other eyes and opinions on it as well

NautArch

have an upwardtrendingboat

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch hahaha. I'm glad. It was so simple I was kind of worried I was missing a gaping flaw.

goodguy5

@Rubiksmoose yea, that checks out

Sir Cinnamon

3:03 PM

@NautArch Wait... what would your definition for having a degree in X be?

NautArch

@SirCinnamon For identifying yourself as an expert? I'd say a graduate degree.

And yes, I know I'm gatekeeping.

goodguy5

side note, @Rubiksmoose You can change your parent user to rpg.se, instead of physics, if you wanted

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch That's not a term I'm familiar with, but google indicate's thats the same as a masters degree?

NautArch

@SirCinnamon Advanced degree beyond your bachelors. Masters, Doctorate, MD, JD, etc.

You've had additional focused schooling on a specific subject.

goodguy5

in US

High School Diploma
Go to "college"; get a Bachelor's Degree (Undergraduate Degree, or just "Degree", because America)
Go to Graduate School to get a Masters' Degree (or maybe "Graduate")

onwards to get PHD/Doctorate

KorvinStarmast

3:09 PM

@NautArch When I got a bachelor's degree, I thought I knew quite a bit. When I got a masters degree, I discovered how much I didn't know. I am worried that if I pursue a doctorate I won't know anything ... (old joke)

NautArch

@goodguy5 You don't need a masters to get a PhD.

goodguy5

@NautArch o.O.O.o.O

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch I would say, for the situation here, a BSc is qualified to give input - A BSc in Psych qualifies you to be a Child Care worker or Case worker for those with special needs, which is what the question is about

goodguy5

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NautArch

@SirCinnamon Okay, then I guess I can answer. My Bachelors is in Psychology.

I wouldn't say that I"m qualified to answer, though.

goodguy5

3:10 PM

Well, I'l be damned.

doppelgreener

@NautArch Can corroborate. You can instead rob a PhD graduate, they'll give you their degree and you won't even have to attend university.

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch I think anyone who's met a handful of university graduates knows that just because you get a degree doesnt mean you know the totality of the subject

doppelgreener

Life hack, most doctors hang their degree framed on the wall in their office. Just take it off the hook and walk out!

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Mine's in Mechanical Engineering; my wife looked at my degree paperwork, BSME, and she looked at me. "Does that mean you are full of BS?" which she answered for herself: yes. 8^p

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 oooo I had no idea it was physics lol. I shall indeed do this.

Sir Cinnamon

3:11 PM

But if this user feels qualified to answer and has a degree which at least somewhat corroborates that then thats already better than most qualifications on any answer here right

NautArch

@SirCinnamon I think that's a different argument :)

but you know a lot more than someone who just took some undergrad classes

doppelgreener

@SirCinnamon I'd say if you asked a person without a degree and with a degree what % of the field they understand, the person with the degree would give a lower %. :P

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch Sorry, when i say graduate there I meant those with "undergraduate degrees" as well

doppelgreener

The person with the degree just went and learned just how much there was they didn't know.

Sir Cinnamon

the terminology is terrible

doppelgreener

3:12 PM

In Australia we call them bachelor's degrees.

NautArch

@SirCinnamon right, and I disagree with that.

Sir Cinnamon

I have a Bachelor of Science (Computer Science). That's an undergraduate degree but I didnt undergraduate. I graduated

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener Amen to that.

Sir Cinnamon

or.. convocated...

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 How do I change my parent user?

NautArch

3:14 PM

@Rubiksmoose You're going to have to talk with your wife about a divorce and find a new woman.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch hahaha

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener The last time it tried that in 1861 it didn't go so well; About 625,000 men died in the Civil War. That's more Americans than died in both World Wars, Korea, and Vietnam combined. This amounted to 2 percent of the population at the time, which would be the equivalent to about 6.6 million Americans dying today

doppelgreener

@Rubiksmoose On your chat profile there's a parent user field and there might be a [change] button: chat.stackexchange.com/users/206000/rubiksmoose

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener ahhhh on the chat one. Makes sense.

doppelgreener

@KorvinStarmast Wasn't that when some people said "we're united now" and some others said "wait, since when"?

Rubiksmoose

3:16 PM

Congratulations you are now all my parent.

doppelgreener

But... but you're all my parent. [sweats]

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener The most likely trigger for the US splitting in two is the New Madrid Fault going ape, maybe a Richter 7.4 or higher. ;) As to "wait, since when" ... heh, all civil wars leave scars. I've been reading up on the Carlist wars in Spain; the Civil War in 1936 had its seeds planted there ... and I get the sense that Catalonia's current efforts ...

.. are a lingering artifact ...

Rubiksmoose

@doppelgreener uh oh...

NautArch

@SirCinnamon IT's the difference between a graduate degree (which i'm guessing may be a degree you get after you graduate with a Ba or Bs) and the verb graduate.

KorvinStarmast

@doppelgreener If you are interested, new madrid seismic zone

@NautArch did someone noun a verb again?

Sir Cinnamon

3:20 PM

@NautArch I know, I'm just saying that terminology is confusing. I prefer the Bachelor Degree/Masters Degree. It just caused some confusion w/ my statement about "Graduates"

NautArch

@SirCinnamon Oh, yeah. It's definitely confusing - especially across cultures.

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch Basically, what I meant to say is - Someone with a bachelors degree may be more qualified than the average person to talk about parts of their field, if that subset of the field was covered in their tenure

NautArch

@SirCinnamon Agree that some school is better than no school. But some does not make you an expert. ANd if you're citing your degree and date of matriculation...you should probably be an expert.

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose When I open the PHB in the Roll20 APP, I get this. " If you concentrate on this spell for the full Duration, the transformation lasts until it is dispelled"

But when I open the errata from November the "until dispelled" doesn't show up. Confused, I am, to be sure. The SRD version of the True Polymorph is the first place I found "until dispelled" ... not sure if SRD is a core rule or not.

Rubiksmoose

3:37 PM

@KorvinStarmast It may have been one of the invisible changes made without record in errata.

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose It bugs me, since I have had to deal with correcting and publishing technical manuals in a previous job, that the errata does not list/include that change that was first made when SRD came out. (arrgh!) I think some of the PHB printings have it.

Rubiksmoose

@KorvinStarmast It really seems inexcusable. How hard is it to add a note marking the change? Seriously.

This isn't the only example of this either. I know of several.

Yuuki

Hmm... I suppose a Loxodon Barbarian could dump Dexterity (to a degree) since they can use Natural Armor instead of Unarmored Defense.

@SirCinnamon They're called undergraduate degrees because you're an undergraduate while you're in the progress of getting them, I think.

Same thing with your master's degree classes being "graduate courses".

nitsua60

@KorvinStarmast I've always been interested in seeing the results of a diff(diff(currPHB, firstprintingPHB),errata) to catch exactly that: things that have been changed but not "announced."

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch But they cite their Degree and Date for exactly this reason, they want you to know exactly how qualified they are. That it potentially the most succinct way of saying "this is how much I know about this topic"

They also don't claim to be an expert, just that they have at least some experience in the area

NautArch

3:48 PM

@SirCinnamon And my point is that they don't actually know enough about the topic to be citing that.

I am just as qualified as they are, and I know I'm not qualified.

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch Not every school or student is equal - Honestly I don't think you need a degree to advise "talk to a professional"

Their degree is literally the qualification required to care for people with the disorder in question

@Yuuki Yeah... I don't really like that i guess. Undergraduate courses make sense - you have not graduated. Graduate courses are for graduates. But I guess it's just... confusing when talking about the degrees specifically

NautArch

@SirCinnamon It's the bare minimum to work in the field. And again, I have the same degree, but I wouldn't say I was qualified to answer that like I would if I had a masters or PhD.

Yuuki

Irrespective of whether a degree qualifies you to give advice, I think we all agree that "talk to an actual professional and don't rely on SE for your mental health" is a good piece of advice.

NautArch

@Yuuki yasssss

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch They aren't claiming "I know better than someone with a masters" at most they are claiming "I know more than a layman" which i would argue is probably correct.

goodguy5

3:55 PM

@Rubiksmoose oh, good. you figured it out

Sir Cinnamon

And bare minimum to work in the field is probably good enough for an online rpg Q&A forum

Yuuki

@SirCinnamon I just read it as "I know something".

nitsua60

@Yuuki I'm just also cognizant that "how do I improve my mental health?" wasn't actually the question asked.

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 with a little help from my new parent! :P

Yuuki

The most salient and self-defeating part of that answer is their insistence on using "advise" as an object noun.

nitsua60

4:00 PM

Is that one HNQ yet, btw? Oh, yes it is.

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 Yeah, it seems to be a coping question.

Yuuki

It's a shame that it's a <6 character edit though.

Sir Cinnamon

It's fixed now

NautArch

@SirCinnamon fair enough, I just don't see the need for it. It doesn't add to the answer in any way, but it gives me a /iamverysmart feel.

KorvinStarmast

4:19 PM

@NautArch Sometimes, folks on the internet like to make a distinction between their in put, and "just someone on the internet" if they have some formal education or specialization that pertains to a topic. I understand your reaction, since we don't know if the poster is canine or not. 8^D

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast it's more that I don't consider what you've learned as undergrad to be a formal education in a specific field. I'm clearly gatekeeping, but i'm also okay with that :)

Sir Cinnamon isn't wrong, it's just not how I look at it.

Rubiksmoose

4:31 PM

Does the "bonus" section I just added to This answer add to or take away from my case do you all think?

GreySage

@Rubiksmoose I think it adds. It makes it so that even if one disagrees with your ruling, the answer can still be valuable.

Yuuki

Consider making a Loxodon Rogue just so you can make the "elephant in the room" joke.

Rubiksmoose

@GreySage ah good. That is kind of what I was angling for. :)

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose I'm...not sure. Simple is not always right. But it's helpful.

GreySage

Quick tangent: Is it 'Pantless' or 'Pantsless'?

goodguy5

4:41 PM

I'm talking to the nice folks over at worldbuilding.se

But I can ask here too.

What would the effects of post nuclear-level magical war be on a landscape if one assumes that magic has a similar sort of "radiation" to reactive elements?

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch hmmm I'm not saying it is right because it is simple. I am saying it is right and, as a cherry on top, is also the most simple solution. Can I make that clearer?

@goodguy5 Sounds like you have a basis for a gritty Sailor Moon reboot there buddy!

goodguy5

haha.

If you've played wow, I'm basically imagining a combination of the BloodElf and Forsaken starting zones.

I want creatures to have an anti-DarkSun quality.

But I also want it to be .... torn, in some obvious way.

Sir Cinnamon

@goodguy5 Ever watched adventure time?

goodguy5

no, actually.

but I have watched Gravity Falls

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon oh man that is a much better comparison.

Sir Cinnamon

4:45 PM

Sort of inverted - A nuclear war resulted in the resurgence of magic

NautArch

@Rubiksmoose I think it's clear, but it turns a rules-supported answer into something less. Totally up to you if you want to keep it because it's still true :). Maybe just add an "also" in the title? you cover that in the body...totally up to you.

goodguy5

I think I have all of the information I need now from wb.se

now, I just need a name for this wasteland. My first thought was ManaWastes, but that seems a bit generic.

Sir Cinnamon

Tempest is a cool word

goodguy5

afk

doppelgreener

@goodguy5 Do we know what that zone is like?

Is it volatile or still?

People in the world might call it a lot of names depending on its nature, like "the dead wastes" or something like that.

And catchy names will spread more than accurate ones. :)

Rubiksmoose

4:57 PM

@NautArch added :)

@goodguy5 DumpsterFireball, Doomzone, Spellslag...

Sir Cinnamon

5:15 PM

@Rubiksmoose I hear NASA just landed a robot in Doomzone

good luck... https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1067147649386598400

Tweeted by DOOM on November 26, 2018 at 8:28 PM

goodguy5

5:26 PM

@Rubiksmoose I love spellslag

@doppelgreener basically if the eladrin were a biome

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 honestly, I really liked that one too. I couldn't think of anything better so I stopped.

goodguy5

My next best idea was ChronoScourge

doppelgreener

what's the eladrin here?

goodguy5

oh wait, duh. I know

again, wow reference. the Dranai Home world

doppelgreener

oh!

i was thinking of the 4e elves and was very confused

goodguy5

5:29 PM

lots of crystaline stuff

doppelgreener

Draenor / the Outlands?

So it sounds still super active but dangerous and volatile

GreySage

@goodguy5 Argus?

Yuuki

Draenor's pretty peaceful. Outland on the other hand...

goodguy5

@GreySage yes. argus

Yuuki

Argus is weird. Two zones are chaotic hellscapes and then there's Mac'Aree.

Xirema

5:33 PM

I could swear I've seen a die like this one before, but I cannot for the life of me remember where: rpg.stackexchange.com/q/136341/42386

Yuuki

@Xirema Probably here.

doppelgreener

I don't know much about argus but I definitely recommend against chronoscourge, it sounds way too edgy

Yuuki

"The Dead Lands". You die if you go there.

Xirema

@Yuuki "I get it. I ain't laughing, but I get it."

NautArch

Xirema

5:35 PM

I feel like it may have been one of the older editions of the Harry Potter Trivial Pursuit games, but the google images search for those games only turns up the newer versions, which use a regular 6-sided die.

Yuuki

Alternately, just don't give it a name. People don't like talking about it and so nobody's ever agreed to call it one name.

doppelgreener

for a game that is not about rules though it sure has a lot of rules

Delioth

@Yuuki "Out There"

Xirema

Okay, yeah, I was right: rpg.stackexchange.com/a/136345/42386

Also: we need to flag that question for migration to a different site, since it's supposed to be on the Board Games site.

Sir Cinnamon

@Xirema I saw the font and instantly thought harry potter. Nailed it

Xirema

5:44 PM

@SirCinnamon Yeah, I picked up on that too, but wasn't confident enough in my memory to write an answer.

Yuuki

Nah, if it was really Harry Potter, the seven would end with a lightning bolt squiggle.

Sir Cinnamon

@Xirema No haha, and there's myriad harry potter board games i would have been sifting through

goodguy5

@Yuuki I think I'm going to stick with Spell Slag

Yuuki

@goodguy5 "S-L-A-G".

goodguy5

is that a joke I'm missing?

Sir Cinnamon

5:56 PM

@goodguy5 i mean you asked him to

goodguy5

oh, I got it.

I was reading it like some sort of acronym.

"Spell Leaching Arcane Grimoire" or some such

GreySage

@goodguy5 "Spell Leeching Arcane Ground" would work

Sir Cinnamon

Spells Leaping Around Generously

goodguy5

Someone Lost Another Gopher

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 Answer is Dark Sun. Question was What would the effects of post nuclear-level magical war be on a landscape if one assumes that magic has a similar sort of "radiation" to reactive elements?

Sir Cinnamon

6:04 PM

Seriously, Leave And be Glad

kviiri

Seems Lonely, Actually Gregarious

Sir Cinnamon

Safety: Leave and Go

kviiri

I was en route to student org's winter sauna but turns out their annual assembly is on overtime... YET again

When I was a freshman without clear schedules, the masochism of sitting through an assembly meeting was the best feeling ever

Rubiksmoose

Seriously Lame Arcane Golfing

Sir Cinnamon

Students Languish At Gathering

kviiri

6:16 PM

@SirCinnamon Yes!

Sir Cinnamon

Sauna Locked, Absent Graduates

goodguy5

@KorvinStarmast I was actually thinking the opposite of darksun

Wherein magic thrives and things have a certain level of magical resistance. like those birds in Chernobyl

GreySage

@goodguy5 And the cats (who probably eat the birds).

Sir Cinnamon

I just found out that sweetmeats arent actually meat

i thought it was some kind of gross medieval delicacy

goodguy5

@GreySage I assume everything, but I only read about birds and wolves.

Sir Cinnamon

6:18 PM

Sorry, I broke character there

goodguy5

@SirCinnamon I mean... depends on how you define "meat"

longpig sweatmeats are meat as far as I'm concerned.

Sir Cinnamon

Sweetmeats Lied; Are Good

goodguy5

ha

GreySage

@goodguy5 Is longpig the same as longpork?

goodguy5

@GreySage yes

Though, I suppose there's a subset of the internet who treats longpig the same as longcat.

GreySage

6:23 PM

@goodguy5 You're making me too nervous to google longcat

goodguy5

@GreySage 100% innocuous . I promise. Did they not have longcat in CA?

GreySage

@goodguy5 I've never heard of it before, at least as far as I can recall.

NautArch

@SirCinnamon mixing them up with sweetbreads?

Sir Cinnamon

@NautArch Just a a too literal interpretation i guess

KorvinStarmast

@goodguy5 I was distressed, as a boy, to find out that there was not meat in mincemeat pie. So I reverted to Pumpkin pie until I learned how to make my own apple pies. I now cook one every thanksgiving. Apple pie. Home made.

NautArch

6:30 PM

@SirCinnamon because those ain't bread :P

GreySage

@NautArch They would count as meat though!

goodguy5

@NautArch wait, I thought sweatbreads and sweetmeats were the same

GreySage

@goodguy5 They could be, if you have a certain kind of palate

@Rubiksmoose Elemental Affinity only applies to spells with an attack roll? Since when?

KorvinStarmast

Uh, when I last had sweetbread here in Texas, at a friend's cook out, there were no carbs in that meal.

lotta fat and chewing though ...

NautArch

@GreySage definitely would. @goodguy5 sweetbreads are organs.

goodguy5

6:35 PM

I knew sweatbreads were organs.

I did not know that sweatmeat was bread (well.... cake)

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast A bbq joint in brooklyn (really good one), used to do smoked chicken hearts. They were meh.

KorvinStarmast

Sorta like Chitterlings or Chitlins

goodguy5

and that's just unnecessarily confusing.

Rubiksmoose

@GreySage ...since never! Who'd have thunk that attack and damage rolls would look so much alike on the page.

goodguy5

@KorvinStarmast no no. those are garbage. sweatbreads are better things. hearts, pancreas. liver (though, I don't care much for liver and its's tricky to prepare)

KorvinStarmast

6:36 PM

@NautArch I learned as a kid to dice up the chicken heart and put it into gravy ... after it was boiled.

@goodguy5 Fair point

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast made my first pie this year. Chocolate Pecan recipe my sister used to make. Now I understand why she was so upset when we came home to my dog nose deep in her pecan pie cooling on the counter. Making the crust is such a pain!

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Crust is as much art as science. Mine this year was too flimsy.

goodguy5

@NautArch yea. I never bother to make my own pie crust. The difference between what I can make and what I can buy is so narrow that it's not worth the trouble

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast I make my turkey gravy with browned and cooked giblets, but my wife has asked me not to put them back into the gravy after.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Awe man, that seems unfair. My wife insists on them giblets going in the gravy. I get points deducted if I forget.

NautArch

6:38 PM

@KorvinStarmast I somehow made a good one on my first try. Definitely nerve wracking rolling it out and getting it into the pie tin.

@KorvinStarmast not a huge deal. most of the flavor comes across and it makes a good base before I add the drippings.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Man, I am beginning to drool. We still have a bit of left over turkey. When I get home .... hope wife hasn't finished it off for lunch.

NautArch

Hopefully EternalLord is connecting the dots and the various questions around what spells are/aren't is becoming clearer.

@KorvinStarmast I'm all leftover out. Finished off the last of the soup last night. Ready to move on :)

I did try and make a cheesy ham dip with the leftover ham. that was underwhelming.

KorvinStarmast

We are childless (well, empty nest) as son moved to San Antone last month. our leftover consumption rate has markedly decreased.

NautArch

Ours don't do leftovers (yet).

goodguy5

@KorvinStarmast TX is a bit far for me to go for leftovers

KorvinStarmast

6:42 PM

@NautArch Teach 'em while they are young. @goodguy5 grin

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast If it's not yoghurt, cheese and crackers, hot dogs, hamburgers, chicken nuggets, pizza, pasta with buter, or plain wings they're not too interested.

Rubiksmoose

@NautArch me too! Though they weren't the one to post the first of the most recent "is this a spell" questions.

goodguy5

@NautArch that's my biggest fear, having kids with boring palates

GreySage

@NautArch Oddly, our kids like leftovers more than originals. Like, they'll refuse to eat their dinner, but happily eat the same thing reheated for lunch the next day

Rubiksmoose

OK gang: you are all dragons now. What is in your hoard?

Sir Cinnamon

6:53 PM

@Rubiksmoose Old electronics cables if my house is anything to go on

Delioth

Mithril Waffle Irons. Exclusively

Rubiksmoose

@SirCinnamon Sleepability: 5/10, Value: 1/10, Intimidation: 3/10

@Delioth Sleepability: 0/10, Value: 10/10, Intimidation: 9/10

Sir Cinnamon

I'll contest that sleepability, you could weave a hammock

GreySage

@Rubiksmoose Cables, old screws and other misc hardware, and candy

goodguy5

All of those little Allen wrenches you get from assembling things. Also miscellaneous coins from everywhere. not necessarily worth money, just miscellaneous.
Lastly, empty containers.... preferably coffee tins.

Delioth

6:56 PM

Sleepability is terrible for the irons, but Breakfast-ability is through the roof

Rubiksmoose

@Delioth You can't not respect a creature that sleeps on very expensive breakfast-making tools.

@SirCinnamon Now that's thinking!

@GreySage oh dear...

Sir Cinnamon

@goodguy5 Theres a clothing brand called Tentree (they plant ten trees for every garment) and each garment lets you "claim" those trees via a code printed on a small metal coint

and the coins clink together in a satisfying way, i have a ton of them saved

Yuuki

@GreySage Some stuff is just better as leftovers.

goodguy5

@SirCinnamon that's quite exciting

Yuuki

Like beef stews.

GreySage

7:01 PM

@Rubiksmoose It's important to not assume based on size/shape in my lair.

goodguy5

@Yuuki like pizza

Rubiksmoose

@GreySage Hopefully with all that candy I hope you don't get ants.

KorvinStarmast

@Rubiksmoose about 2000 D&D miniatures.

GreySage

@Rubiksmoose I just burninate them.

goodguy5

Rubiksmoose

7:03 PM

XD

The Oracle

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Q: What does this question, regarding the balance of 5E Moon Druids, need to fit on RPG.SE?

I have a concern: Moon Druids are considered too powerful at low levels. Often times, Moon Druids have no need to spend any spell slots to accomplish their goals, and don't need any other features from being a Druid to play their character. In essence, being a Moon Druid effect...

Rubiksmoose

I would hoard books and video games and not read/play them.

Rubiksmoose

7:20 PM

^and liquor bottles (full and empty)

goodguy5

@Rubiksmoose tell me more

Thoughts on Jägermeister?

Rubiksmoose

@goodguy5 Bottle: meh. Liqueur: ok. My wife hates the stuff so I usually don't keep it in the house. You really have to be careful when mixing it because anise is a powerful flavor.

goodguy5

1. I love the bottle.
2. I love the contents of said bottle. I drink it on ice. I can do straight, but I prefer it chilled.

My wife also hates the stuff, but she's not a big drinker.

Rubiksmoose

Neither is mine. But yeah not my favorite but not the worst either for me. I've never really been enamored with it and I don't enjoy it that much straight.

But I also wouldn't pass one up if someone offered it lol

goodguy5

7:36 PM

My (hard) drinks of choice are:
Jäger on ice
Rusty Nail (Scotch + Drambuie)
basically anything with tequila in it
semisweet white wine

NautArch

7:47 PM

When I drank, I was a Jameson neat type of guy.

Rubiksmoose

8:03 PM

I am a big fan of whiskey neat or rocks. I also love rum and tiki drinks of basically every kind.

Yuuki

8:19 PM

Speaking of whiskey, I like boulevardiers. I prefer less Campari though.

goodguy5

that reminds me of... a manhattan?

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki that is a great drink

both of those in fact

Maximillian

Haven't been back here in a while.. Letsee if there's anything good in the star list.

goodguy5

oh hai max

BESW

8:44 PM

[wave]

Maximillian

Hi. I lost my desk where I could hide and occasionally look in here. boooo.

Dangit, time to go.

Yuuki

@goodguy5 They're very similar drinks.

@Rubiksmoose If you like tiki drinks, you should try the flamenco. It's not considered a tiki drink (or at least it isn't served in one of those tiki cups/mugs) but it uses orgeat.

And it has a nice nutty flavor.

GreySage

@Maximillian Did you ever find it?

Rubiksmoose

@Yuuki Oooo that looks really good. I'm so on board. If I had orgeat at home I'd totally make this tonight.

Manner

Hey guys, I recently gave a Staff of the Woodlands to the Druid, and now he Awakened a Scorpion (mainly to have him fight as a Giant Scorpion with Giant Insect spell), but I have no idea whatsoever on how to play the Scorpion.
How would an animal who recently acquired intelligence react to his "owner" who wants him to fight demons, trolls and undead?

NautArch

8:58 PM

@Manner Well, for the first 30 days, the Scorpion is charmed by the caster.

Yuuki

Afterwards, it'd probably run away.

NautArch

as long as no one in the party hurts it, it'll remain charmed

but even while charmed, it doesn't mean it'l fight for you.

It just means you can try and convince it and you'll have advantage in doing so

Yuuki

@NautArch If you send someone into battle, are you technically harming them?

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