TRPG General Chat

trogdor

12:52 AM

What's going on exactly?

Shalvenay

1:12 AM

hey there @ДенисЛатыпов, welcome to the RPG.SE lair :)

Miniman

1:34 AM

@trogdor Basically, someone tweeted about inappropriate content appearing on Stack Overflow - question titles from interpersonal stack in the hot network questions.

The SE team responded by excluding IPS questions from appearing in HNQ.

And are now looking at reworking how HNQ works.

By all reports, the source of the tweet is someone who doesn't use SO, isn't important or significant beyond their ability to use Twitter, and just likes to complain about things.

trogdor

Ah

I think I understand

Also yeah doing that because of a tweet

I can see why people might be mad

Miniman

So after years of numerous requests from the SE community to have HNQ changed or revised, it seems like a fairly direct statement that SE doesn't really care about the opinions of its users.

I'd venture a guess that it's exacerbated a little by coming right on the heels of a fairly...controversial, shall we say, network-wide rework of the site layout.

trogdor

That too

Miniman

All that said, I'm glad they're reworking HNQ. I'm also worried, given why it's happening, that they might not rework it in a way that improves it for us - or maybe even end up making it worse.

And I suspect a lot of people feel the same way.

trogdor

1:49 AM

That would suck

nitsua60

@Miniman I'd venture that exacerbation comes less from design changes than the still-lingering feeling that the recent CoC roll-out was also a "respond to twitter" event.

trogdor

I'm not too clear on how exactly HNQ works but

Changing it to cater to,.... Twitter or something

That would be real upsetting

Miniman

@nitsua60 Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Wow, there's really been a fair bit of drama lately.

trogdor

Regardless of what they want to do with it now,... The fact that they reacted in this way is concerning

Shalvenay

what is it with letting the most outraged voices drive change anymore?

nitsua60

1:52 AM

When stackizens spend years in child metas and MSE talking about things like how to actually Be Nice or how HNQ screws with sites all the time, then changes seem to come on the heels of a non-user's tweet... there's a lot of resentment built up there. (Even if that's not how things actually transpire. Perception being reality, and all.)

trogdor

@nitsua60 well the sticking point for me is, where was the community engagement attempt before the change?

The answer is that the apparent speed they implemented lefte it in the dust

And it's great if the community managers recognize that as a mistake, but beyond looking like a gut reaction to a tweet, what's to stop another change with no community input?

nitsua60

@trogdor So there was this 14 months ago, then there was the tweet a few days back, then a few hours after the tweet IPS was pulled from HNQ, then a day later this meta.se post referenced but didn't explain that action, and IPS is left going what the hell, man?.

trogdor

@nitsua60 that definitely doesn't make it better

Miniman

@nitsua60 Hey, we're all going "what the hell, man?".

nitsua60

@trogdor I mean, this is all just one user's (mine) interpretation. But for those interested in sussing things out themselves I hope the links provide a start for some spelunking. (And for those who really want to exhaust the lines of conversation, monica's blog post is, unsurprisingly, well-written and offers some useful insight.)

trogdor

1:59 AM

Yeah now I'm worried about something like this happening here too

nitsua60

@Miniman Yeah, but until thirty seconds ago I couldn't link to you saying it =)

Miniman

@trogdor Well, changes to HNQ will happen everywhere. And personally, I wouldn't worry about rpg.se getting removed from HNQ.

trogdor

@nitsua60 well,... I only looked at the first one yet, but it has a user asking for this change, and a mod, in fact a specific mod, saying it isn't going to fix the problem

@Miniman changes are fine, but the way they made this one was super dumb

Miniman

(Not because it's unlikely, although I think it is, but because "oh no, we'll lose a bunch of really uninformed voters and answerers on some of our questions!")

trogdor

Just from what I understand at least

It's not really about HNQ. For me

nitsua60

2:04 AM

@trogdor When the user posted they were also a mod. I don't have (any) rep on IPS to see the vote breakdown, but a discussion between mods on a site meta didn't get any sort of repsonse from (not necessarily action, but even commentary) SE. But a tweet gets picked up and hours later IPS is off HNQ (which discussion, at least, they'd requested long ago) without any explanation.

Miniman

Oh, right. Yeah, if you're worried about arbitrary changes being unilaterally imposed on us from on high, fair enough.

nitsua60

^^

trogdor

It's about people in charge going through a very fast decision making process after being told earlier there was a problem, and it at least looking a lot like they did so because of off site,... Stupid

@Miniman yeah

Exactly the thing that scares me on this

nitsua60

That's why we (rpgse mods) try to be good about keeping informed of wider se-things and posting (and featuring) on rpg.meta when we have concrete-ish things to link to/describe.

trogdor

@nitsua60 but see, an explanation would have been good right?

nitsua60

2:05 AM

(Not that rpg.meta manages to pick up more than ~5% or the registered users, and not that registered users are any more than ~10% of site traffic....)

trogdor

I mean, if we are talking about this for real, a single public discussion on the issue does not make full faith site engagement

Anyone who just didn't see one post would be out of the loop

nitsua60

@trogdor You'd think? OTOH, I'm kinda also a fan of a "trust the person in the room" philosophy--there's just not always time in an organization to explain everything to everyone and marshal consensus and soothe feathers.... But that philosophy relies on a lot of trust and good after-action discussion and obvious incorporation of feedback from those discussions; the current sentiment around SE regarding CoC + IPS/HNQ makes me fear the requisite trust isn't there.

trogdor

I don't know about other people but I don't have anywhere approaching the time to look at every meta post in case it's the only source for us to Know about possible future changes

@nitsua60 trust is earned

I admit not knowing everything on this issue

But if you redecorate your apartment and then don't tell your roommate while they were gone, or ask for any feedback, are they going to just trust you after?

Most likely not

I think running this site is hard for sure

I think sometimes decisions have to be made that in some way upset people

But some amount of effort needs to be put in to keep it from being upsetting to everyone

I don't know if that was done in this case

nitsua60

The people I feel bad for are the ones who have to interface with the people-parts of SE. I mean, if they're looking at changing some code on how the changeover between NYC (primary) and Denver (backup) servers happens in an NYC outage, I'm sure there's all sorts of versioning and code-checking and sandboxing that can be done and, sure you don't catch everything before the real-live experiment, but you can catch a lot.

On the people-side, though, you can have as many people as you like check something like "I think we should pull IPS from HNQ" and I feel like you'll never see the direction the backlash is going to come from.

trogdor

I'm not even really assigning blame here

I think to some degree circumstances collided to make it look worse than it is

But I think that also means I can't tell just how bad it is underneath that

nitsua60

2:16 AM

In my (limited) experience helping run a school it's been universally true: the hard decisions we make that we agonize over and examine a hundred times we get no pushback on. (Close school for a week on eight hours' notice? Not one complaint!) Then things we think are so simple we get [redacted]storms on. (One Friday next month can we move the lunch block by half an hour? Shouldn't be a-what the hell happened!?!?)

@trogdor I agree.

trogdor

@nitsua60 the thing is I don't know if that analogy even works

XD

It was certainly a bigger decision than a temporary lunch time change to be implemented with a months advance warning

:P

nitsua60

@trogdor Maybe, but I wonder if it seemed that way to the people making it? "Can we block one site from HNQ calculations?" "Should take half an hour, just to triple-check everything. Why?" "Oh, it's caused a bit of a ruckus today, and they'd been asking about it anyway...."

trogdor

@nitsua60 but where is the handshake?

nitsua60

"Anyone see a problem with granting them their request to be off HNQ?" "Nope." "Nope." "Nope-wait, what's HNQ?" "Hot Network Questions." "Okay, then 'nope.'"

@trogdor riiiight =)

trogdor

The reason this at the least looks like a reaction to Twitter is because there was no "hey guys we heard you wanted this thing, can we just get a quick headcount on that?"or something to that effect

nitsua60

2:22 AM

yup.

trogdor

And to compound it, if they were asking for it for a while, it looks really bad if you do it only after someone off the site tweets something

Again, I'm not personally mad about this specific thing

But I can see why some people are I think

And I'm worried down the road we will get our share of similar types of drama that could have been avoided with some small amount of foresight

I remember how much head ducking I had to do over the RaW RAI thing

nitsua60

@trogdor Yeah. One of those things where your flatmate asks you to hand them the peanut butter and your response is "do I have to do everything for you!?" and maybe it's clear that there are things that haven't been hashed out but should?

trogdor

But also you both collaboratively made the peanut butter and it is currently on your side of the huge unwieldy table

nitsua60

@doppelspooker regarding recent discussions and comments regarding homebrew, I just noticed this:

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A: How is the community doing? [2018]

Homebrew-related questions need to be received better It's taken me a while to find a way to say this, but this meta question puts a finger on it. There is (or seems to be) a perceived bias against homebrew that is likely dampening some questions where the community's experience and expertise i...

@trogdor "I didn't ask for such a huge table! And, frankly, all you do all day, every day, is sit there and fiddle with the jointy-bits on the table while I'm trying to make us a blasted meal!"

(he he he)

trogdor

Then you have to explain to the paramedics how various kitchen utensils are sticking in both of you

nitsua60

2:29 AM

"And what's this other useless thing you've started building in my kitchen?" (Points to "Teams") "Now I have to put my spices back in a new place!" (Responsive layout-->streamlined themes)

This is really reminding me of Clue: "This is war, Peacock! Every cook will tell you you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs." "But the cook's dead!"

Joel Harmon

2:58 AM

@nitsua60 You may be interested in Netflix's software Chaos Monkey, which deliberately turns off internal infrastructure. You can be certain you're resilient to crashes, if you're deliberately crashing yourself all the time but the whole system is still up.

nitsua60

@JoelHarmon Like. it's something you run on your server setup and it randomly powers down switches, drives, &c? That's insaaaaane.

Joel Harmon

@nitsua60 That's what I thought at first.

nitsua60

(Also, into book 3 of Mistborn.)

Joel Harmon

(Nice!)

nitsua60

@JoelHarmon Oh, no--looks like it's more like messing with virtualizations?

(And, frankly, at this point we're really past my depth. I took a tour of IBM's datacenter research facility once, and that's the only way I know anything at all.)

Joel Harmon

3:04 AM

@nitsua60 That may be. I haven't looked into it in a while. This is just one of the many, many things out there that I think is super cool, but don't actually know much about.

nitsua60

Chaos Monkey

Chaos Monkey is a tool invented in 2011 by Netflix to test the resilience of its IT infrastructure. It works by intentionally disabling computers in Netflix's production network to test how remaining systems respond to the outage. Chaos Monkey is now part of a larger suite of tools called the Simian Army designed to simulate and test responses to various system failures and edge cases. == Concept == In software development, a given software's abilities to tolerate failures, be resilient, and ensure adequate quality of service are often specified as requirements. However, development teams often...

"now part of a larger suite of tools called the Simian Army"

user15026

@nitsua60 That delights me

Joel Harmon

Planet of the Apes, anyone?

nitsua60

Seriously, have mad scientists learned nothing from B-movies?

Joel Harmon

Even C- or D-movies, as well as Jonathan Coulton songs

nitsua60

3:08 AM

Poor Janitor Monkey. I guess even in the Simian Army somebody's got to be low on the... org chart.

user15026

@nitsua60 I guess the trash always does need taking out..

A_S00

@nitsua60 Maaaan, I saw the meta.se drama on Friday, but I was only following it here, not the Twitter thread. Didn't realize how badly they threw the mods under the bus until reading Monica's post. That's rough.

trogdor

@nitsua60 huh, very strange

Miniman

4:00 AM

Wow, I finally tracked down the original twitter thread.

Mike Q

@Miniman Was it hard to find? Is there a link?

Miniman

mobile.twitter.com/justkelly_ok/status/1052314410251837440

BESW

@nitsua60 ...are there 12 of them?

trogdor

Lol

Mike Q

@Miniman Ah okay, yes I can understand why SE users are annoyed by this. It definitely paints a picture where relying on the system is less effective than a sufficiently loud social media rant.

trogdor

4:11 AM

Oof that was not fun to read

BESW

I wonder how much of this is tied to the baffling fact that the meta tool is explicitly wrong for its job.

trogdor

How so?

user15026

@BESW considering some of the stuff that happened was stuff Meta asked for in various forms for years, but a lot of it got shoved under the lumpiest of rugs....

BESW

Sep 6 at 20:59, by BESW

The Stack Exchange devoted years to developing an interface and infrastructure to enforce an epistemology that values pithy independent responses to clear, precise problems. This interface and its accompanying infrastructure actively discourages discussion, ambiguity, and accompaniment.

Sep 6 at 20:59, by BESW

Then they applied that interface to their space for discussing policies, identifying ambiguities, and accompanying each other.

Sep 6 at 21:01, by BESW

It's very telling that the Stack Exchange, having defined itself by its ability to hone an interface that creates a community, has put literally no effort into crafting the interface for that community's backroom.

Shalvenay

yeah, Meta.SE is a messy, messy land

trogdor

4:14 AM

Ah ok

BESW

It's like... we've got a really good hammer, but what we need is a wrench. NOPE HAMMER TIME.

trogdor

Personally I think the person who tweeted that was mad about a legitimate problem but took it too far

Shalvenay

@BESW "why are we trying to hammer in a bolt?"

trogdor

And then snapped at the guy who responded

Shalvenay

@trogdor I think they didn't make any effort to understand what they were looking at before turning the outrage dial up to 11

trogdor

4:16 AM

SO isn't perfect but that response was over the top

BESW

@Shalvenay Nah. They understood exactly what they were talking about, and had no interest in people changing the subject to something more defensible.

Mike Q

@trogdor Looks more like someone who hunts for fuel for their own pulpit fires

trogdor

And technically SO wasn't even the space involved

user15026

Can I just gently point out that this is way beyond the individual human who made the tweets, and their reaction to any of it is of relatively small importance to the overall SE response and the fallout of SE's response as it relates to the network and moderation?

trogdor

@MikeQ well maybe but I don't like to assume that

BESW

4:16 AM

Their problem was, explicitly, how inappropriate it is for the Stack to treat all its content as equally professional.

user15026

Like I know the twitter person makes a convenient anger target, but honestly, they don't need that.

Mike Q

Who said anything about being angry at the twitter user?

trogdor

@Ash That's fair too

BESW

@MikeQ Maybe "angry" isn't the right word, but "turning the outrage dial up to eleven" and "hunts for fuel for their own pulpit fires" are definitely making it a lot more personal than it needs to be.

Mike Q

@BESW I may have botched the metaphor

trogdor

4:18 AM

@BESW well,.. but that reaction to the response though

user15026

@MikeQ I've just seen way too many variations on this discussion that circle back to "this one person reacted bad and thus they are bad and we are not bad and SE is not bad" so I am trying to kinda...stop that at the pass

BESW

They complained about something, and got one reasoned response and a dozen lectures about something tangentially related to their complaint.

Mike Q

@Ash Maybe I've misunderstood the situation. Isn't the controversy that the SE honchos bent to an independent social media account rather than their own users?

BESW

There's a LOT going on.

user15026

@MikeQ yes, that's part of this hydra of terrible

BESW

4:20 AM

From the interpersonal.se perspective, yes, that's probably the big problem.

trogdor

@BESW is Twitter just really weirdly. Organize? Because to me it looked like her response was too the one resonable response

user15026

and within that, people tend to go "well she treated us bad too" like that changes things somehow to make SE's response less....*throws hands up*

user15026

Sorry, I have literally been having this conversation in various guises for...a week almost, so I am probably conflating too many things

user15026

or confusing too many points

BESW

This is the one reasonable response which understands her actual position:

@justkelly_ok That's not okay for Stack Overflow. We should have anticipated that better when we tried some more experimental topics, we just didn't and we'll learn from that. The 'hot questions' feature is being completely re-examined and reworked so it's safer at an unknown scale.

Tweeted by tinkertim on October 18, 2018 at 2:21 PM in reply to justkelly_ok

user15026

4:22 AM

this is very sticky and messy and a lot of us mods have been hip deep in it and I'm tired of I am bad at things

user15026

Hm, I accidentally like a bunch of words in there, but I am not sure what words, I just know that sentence is broken

Mike Q

@Ash Possibly. I've scrolled up this chat a bit and haven't seen anyone directly attacking the user (i.e. trying to spin this into a fight with SE in one corner and rando outsider as the other)

BESW

Everything else is trying to explain how something on the HNQ is okay because it makes sense in its own context rather than in the HNQ context.

@MikeQ "hunts for fuel for their own pulpit fires" is really only readable as an attack on the person in order to dismiss their claim.

user15026

Alright, I gotta yell silent retreat and run away because I am out of spoons

Mike Q

@BESW Like I said, not the best metaphor.

BESW

4:24 AM

And complaining about their attitude at all is... still focusing on not-the-point.

user15026

Sorry, I feel like I am letting the world down with being able to not word all this right and keep engaging it.

trogdor

@Ash I do that all the time, especially on the phone

XD

BESW

@Ash [pats gently] You have no personal obligation to this conversation.

trogdor

@Ash fair enough, sorry if I contributed to that

user15026

@trogdor oh gosh, yes

BESW

4:26 AM

From the casual user's perspective, the problem is that the Stack Exchange dramatically failed to act on how the HNQ was pushing contextless content into spaces that were inappropriate for it.

user15026

At work on Saturday I kept messing up the like....greeting words, because it was morning not evening and then Id' notice me saying evening when I meant morning and then I'd panic and swallow the words and it was just so awkward and I am liek I SWEAR I AM A COMPETENT TECH SUPPORT MONKEY I PROMISE

trogdor

Lol

BESW

From the elected moderators' perspective, I suspect there's a problem with being caught in the middle of a blame game between the users and the administration.

trogdor

@Ash I screw up text a lot but also have trouble saying anything on the phone at all

user15026

@trogdor working in phone based tech support has helped with that

user15026

4:28 AM

@BESW among many other things yes this is definitely a problem

BESW

@Ash [screams and hides under the cushions]

Miniman

@BESW I don't think anyone is blaming moderators for any part of this. Or at least, I haven't seen anything that would suggest it.

Mike Q

@BESW Unsure how to articulate it - It's common on social media to call out something with limited context or explanation and spin it into some angry post. I can't comment on the validity of their point.

trogdor

@Ash hello, I am your trogdor tech support, excuse me while I breath fire through the phone and hang up, have a nice? Day

user15026

@BESW I wish I could

user15026

4:30 AM

SO MANY DAYS

Miniman

@MikeQ And to dismiss any objections to the angry post, often using keywords such as 'mansplaining' to avoid justifying the dismissal.

trogdor

I don't know if they still plan to but at one point my bosses were talking about doing tech support

BESW

@MikeQ Yes, I'm familiar with it. But it's really not the point here; focusing on whether the person seeks problems out or not doesn't change anything about the nature of the conversation about the problem, OR the (in)appropriateness of Stack user/mod response to it.

trogdor

I hate to say it but I don't know who in this office they expect to do that

I'm not the only one here who would suck a big one at doing that job

user15026

I've been in various phone support roles, they are terrifying at first but after a while you're like "oh okay, router setup, I have a script in my head for that" and you can zome out a little.

user15026

4:32 AM

(It's patterns! I can do patterns.)

user15026

(I am very good at repetition!)

BESW

Rhetorically speaking, to focus on whether the person who pointed out the problem was out looking for trouble or not, is a move to discredit the problem by discrediting the intent of the person who noticed it.

Mike Q

@BESW Right, I was just trying to explain my earlier comment. I don't want to focus on the one person. The conversation should be about the HNQ, I think.

trogdor

@Ash I kinda am too but when other people are involved that goes out the window

BESW

It doesn't change that the Stack responded to the problem when it became a social media event rather than when it was pointed out in-house. Or that the response on social media was a dogpile of explaining that didn't actually explain anything.

user15026

4:33 AM

@trogdor ah, yeah, that can make a difference, other people are not as predictable as your own self!

trogdor

I already have to teach some of these office monkeys stuff they should already know

I can't imagine having to teach new strangers every day the same things

user15026

@trogdor we're a small ISP, so...it's sometimes the same strangers!

BESW

@Miniman I'm basing that speculation on patterns of behaviour I've observed recently, not on specific objective evidence for this specific instance.

trogdor

@Ash or as objects or a computer

XD

user15026

(although sometimes, on rare occassions, theygive you things for helping! I have gotten pie and tomato plants and donuts and cake that way)

trogdor

4:35 AM

@Ash oh god that's somehow the worst of all world's

I could noooooooooooooot do that

@Ash oh wait that's pretty cool

BESW

@Ash I got tipped with calamansi last week.

user15026

@trogdor At one point, I texted my dad an was like "I am bringing tomato plants to dinner because...you have room for them and I don't and a customer gave them to me so they're yours now okay"

trogdor

Lol

That is all kinds of hilarious

Mike Q

@BESW I'm not qualified to gauge the accuracy of statements that call out Xism or Yism, or the validity of responses to them. What I do understand is that HNQ and IPSE have been problematic for a while.

user15026

@trogdor apparently they were good plants :P

trogdor

4:39 AM

I'm not a huge fan of Tomatoes myself but

I can appreciate that some are better than others at least on a "don't make me eat it" level

My parents have a small garden with some, my dad made me eat one and apparently I made the worst possible face

Miniman

@BESW Fair enough - I just didn't want anyone to get the impression that any of this is directed at mods rather than SE itself.

BESW

@Miniman Yeah, I don't think anything in this chat is doing that.

user15026

@trogdor I like tomatoes in things but not really as a thing to just eat

BESW

But, feeling around the edges of the Unspoken Spaces, I'm pretty confident it's a thing the mods are enduring elsewhere.

user15026

Like i know people eat em like apples sometimes but I cannot

Mike Q

4:42 AM

@Ash Wait, people just... bite into a tomato?

user15026

@BESW "the edges of the Unspoken Spaces"...I like this phrase

user15026

@MikeQ YES IT IS TERRIBLE

Mike Q

@Ash This issue is now a much higher priority and upsets me at a personal level

BESW

@Ash It's like negative space in art, but for community dialogue.

trogdor

@Ash yeah I tolerate them in sauce for pizzas and pasta and stuff

BESW

4:43 AM

@MikeQ People also do this with onions.

trogdor

But I won't eat em in sandwiches or anything like that

Mike Q

But if you bite into a tomato the juice would 'splode everywhere

It would be such a mess

[shudders] barbarians

@BESW Raw? Or cooked/fried/tempura?

user15026

Nope Nope Nope! Land Before Time Clip

►

BESW

@MikeQ RAW.

trogdor

Raw

A

Raw as all of heck

Miniman

4:46 AM

Red onions or brown onions?

trogdor

Yellow

BESW

Sweet onions, usually.

Mike Q

Where is @Ben? I need someone to help me deal with this heresy

trogdor

Maybe those are brown? Ours here are yellow

Ish

Miniman

Ooooh, interesting. Apparently we call them brown and you call them yellow.

@BESW Wait, sweet onions?

user15026

4:47 AM

wait I know white and red and brown AND yellow

user15026

@BESW this makes me think of the book Holes

trogdor

Onions, all the colors of a quarter of a rainbow

BESW

Sweet onions are lower in sulfur and higher in water, so they don't make you cry as much.

Mike Q

@BESW Well, isn't that sweet of them

BESW

Color is... regional... so it's hard to correlate.

In my experience, red onions are usually sweeter than brown onions, and white/yellow onions can be either.

Generally speaking, sweet onions are the ones you put raw on a sandwich. Compare them to the onions you're expected to cook before eating, which are more pungent.

(Apparently some European areas call brown onions red, and red onions purple.)

trogdor

4:51 AM

Huh

Stupid Europe, learn to color :P

Reds really do look purple though

I'll give em that

user15026

Or weirdly purple grey if cooked

Mike Q

In the UK they're spelled ouniouns

BESW

Yellow/brown/(red) are the typical onions for baking or boiling. White onions are the kind in Mexican food. Red/(purple) is used fresh in sandwiches and salads, or in grilling.

trogdor

The UK has lost spelling and pronounciation privileges

They can get them back on a probationary period if they stop saying aluminium instead of aluminum

Your move UK

BESW

That's not fair, we're the ones who took the austerity measures during the Great Vowel Shortage.

user15026

4:55 AM

Canada hoarded what we could :P

BESW

Yes, but you invested most of your vowels in poutine.

trogdor

Lol

At least you don't spell poutine like it's spelled and then call it poutinine

user15026

@BESW because it is delicious and deserves all teh vowels

Mike Q

@trogdor If you have 9 poutines then you call it poutnine

And then you call an ambulance

user15026

@MikeQ definitely this

trogdor

4:59 AM

@MikeQ yep I would imagine

Miniman

@trogdor Ok, but the US is still outvoted by every other country in the world, so...

Mike Q

@Miniman Doesn't matter, the US has more electoral votes

trogdor

@Miniman on aluminum vs aluminium?

@MikeQ too real

X(

Also dangerously approaching too political

But anyway back to sentencing

All you other countries are wrong

Sentencing over

Judge biased is adjourned

Mike Q

@trogdor Don't worry, I've already been reminded not to put on my serious hat. The silly hat will stay on.

Miniman

@trogdor Well, World War 3 had to start sometime, I guess.

trogdor

5:05 AM

Mm

@Miniman I will fight to the last everyone else for aluminum

Finally, revenge on my phone

It hates this switching between aluminum and aluminium

Hehehehe

Ben

5:45 AM

@MikeQ I shall inform the Inquisitor

kviiri

5:59 AM

@Miniman Sometimes a technology in the arms race gets invented two World Wars early, as was the case with teflon which was invented around WWII.

Einstein famously said that he knows not which weapons will be used to fight the third World War, but World War Four'd be fought with sticks and stones.

And teflon is an anti-stick technology, perfectly suitable for weaponization for WWIV.

Mike Q

So we should invest in stone technology?

kviiri

Stock up on teflon and paper and you're good.

Mike Q

lol Thank you, I needed an influsion of that sort of humo(u)r

kviiri

The good old MS-DOS puzzle action-adventure game God of Thunder had a boss Nognir who is made of "teflor"

And he's imprisoned an entire town to work in his teflor mines so he can produce smaller copies of himself

Trish

6:23 AM

*pulled out the Breedbooks...*Bagheera, Bubasti, Ceilician, Khan are down... 5 more to go...

Trish

7:09 AM

aaaand all the kitties in the basket... wow, Simba are worse than thought... (no, Ajaba are not Bastet)

BESW

7:21 AM

@kviiri [invests in long-term futures on scissors]

Trish

7:37 AM

aaaand Rokea was quick, for I read that book carefully for another research recently.

Mike Q

7:49 AM

@BESW Again I apologize for my earlier statement. It was poorly worded.

BESW

@MikeQ No worries, it's an easy trap to fall into.

Mike Q

I think I'm going to take break from chat for a while.

BESW

@MikeQ Not on my behalf, I hope. I'm sorry I jumped down your throat about that; it was something I was seeing going on in several places.

It was unfair to aim my frustration over all of that at you.

Trish

O.O.... "I .... I ran out of characters! I mean, I can't continiue to write MORE about my research! I used 30k characters...."

"Body is limited to 30000 characters; you entered 30357."

BESW

See if @trogdor will lend you some, he's always making more characters than he can play.

Trish

8:07 AM

@BESW hmmmm+

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Q: I ran out of characters for my Answer... what to do?

I am working on a monstrosity of an answer, reviewing the various splats of Werewolf the Apocalypse here. All worked well till I tried to add something about the Nuwisha.... at which point this little message appeared in red under the window, which also was framed red now: Body is limited to...

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@trogdor Can you hand me some 30k characters for my answer?

trogdor

oh

sorry friend, I don't have enough of those types of characters

my shady cousin in hawaii might though

good luck getting them to believe you aren't a fed though :P

Trish

oh comeon... it's just another answer of space....

The Oracle

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Q: I ran out of characters for my Answer... what to do?

I am working on a monstrosity of an answer, reviewing the various splats of Werewolf the Apocalypse here. All worked well till I tried to add something about the Nuwisha.... at which point this little message appeared in red under the window, which also was framed red now: Body is limited to...

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trogdor

lol

Trish

what... that someone writes more than some short stories sieving through... 30 splatbooks and the core rules to try to find the small hints?

Helwar

8:49 AM

@Trish At first I read that as 30k words, and I was like... This is a Novella at this point!!!!!!

Trish

9:00 AM

@Helwar nope, 30k characters... still more than some novellas.

some 5264 words atm...

doppelspooker

@Trish if i were to make revisions, would you prefer i make them to the doc or your answer?

@JoelHarmon omg, they have a whole Simian Army suite. This is adorable.

Trish

@doppelspooker in the answer... the doc is meant to be the full, expanded thing...

doppelspooker

9:20 AM

@Trish hmm. actually, it might work best if i have the doc. i have a bunch of comments i can make about places to improve (that you can improve but i can't necessarily) as i work on this.

Trish

sure, work with the doc

you can only comment anyway, so no chance to mess it up totally ;)

Helwar

My coworker makes fun of me, always says that I write books when asking or answering anything online. He would have either a great time with @Trish at his side, or would implode. Either one has the same chances of happening.

trogdor

9:47 AM

Lol

Trish

10:19 AM

@doppelspooker work away :3

doppelspooker

groovy

that'll need to wait an hour, but i have things i can do

The Oracle

10:52 AM

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In my recent question about a homebrew feat i have made an answer was added which said quite simply that it was "very overpowered" without giving any way to improve the content. Is this answer acceptable and if not what is required for an answer to a homebrew question? This Q is similar to this ...

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My question was put on hold for being off topic. More specifically because I supposedly ask about the game. This is not true at all and even edited it in for more clarification: Whats the difference between a Cantrip and a normal spell in the normal tabletop game lorewise and how powerful ...

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