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12:09 AM
@Shalvenay oy
what are you up to
 
figuring out project stuff, wrestling with connector selection and crimp terminals. as for you?
 
Phoenician gold earrings, with a pendant in the form of a Horus falcon, and a basket (linked by two rings). From Tharros, Sardinia. c. 7th- 6th century BC
[Antiques Roadshow] Do you see how your shadow turns toward the doll irrespective of the light? She'll do quite well at auction, but that's the least of your problems now
 
12:38 AM
wb @SevenSidedDie
 
12:54 AM
also @Skyler -- come to think of it, would you be interested in helping me test a dungeon sometime kinda-soon-ish?
 
1:09 AM
@ACuriousMind you about?
 
@Shalvenay learning how to properly authenticate users and do REST APIs,
whats the dungeon going to be like
 
@Skyler ah. the dungeon's a minotaur's labryinth with a twist. D&D 5e. 5th level char, point buy or rolled stats (your pick), you'll be joining a hill dwarf cleric and a kenku rogue
 
@Shalvenay Does that make it a Möbius labyrinth?
 
@BESW heheheh -- you could have some real geometric fun with that :D
 
would those rolled stats be too silly
(the 7th roll was there in case I rolled below a 7 since I think the rule with rolls is you reroll those
if anyone wants to correct me on that I'd be happy to know now)
 
1:25 AM
@Skyler no, no, they're more than fine :)
just drop the 11 :)
 
btw i am right about that part of rerolling for stats below 8 right
cuz i think if you rol a 7 or lower usually your character starts to not function properly right
@Shalvenay I'll assume single class is wanted rather than multiclass right? Feats on ASI allowed? If you want your players to help you test in a certain style feel free to give some directions
Is your party mix-max liking, or narrative heavy
 
1:46 AM
@Skyler feats are fine, the party's basically "grab whatever and go" character-selection wise. a MC char would be acceptable, although I will admit single-class would keep things simpler
 
how much testing are we doing, basically Im using this as a test to also either try a Warlock or a Sorlock for the first time too
 
@Skyler it's a short-form dungeon -- should be able to get through it in a few sessions' worth of play
 
2:33 AM
hey there @KorvinStarmast
 
Hi @Shalvenay nice to see you.
 
@KorvinStarmast how're things going?
 
Caught the flu, or something like it, and the roof work is delayed another week due to bad weather. Other than that, OK.
Rather bummed the Saints didn't win that game, but so it goes.
 
@KorvinStarmast ouch :/ I'm just recovering from the flu bug myself
had to take a couple days off work, but I'm basically well now save for a nagging cough
 
Meds, sleep, fluids. That's what momma (The Missus) has offered as my treatment. I think she's right.
@nitsua60 In re your I have some training in sitting at a table with six slightly-varying versions of the same text in front of me, slowly cultivating quietude in my heart and searching for inspiration have you read Mere Christianity by CS Lewis?
 
2:42 AM
@KorvinStarmast pretty much
 
OK, I am off, best wishes to you! :)
 
@KorvinStarmast cya
 
 
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4:03 AM
@KorvinStarmast Oh, certainly. I've got most of Lewis sitting at arm's reach when I'm at my desk. Absolutely love Mere Christianity, but it's been too long since I've read it. (Probably going on 15 years.)
@SevenSidedDie I had a player once vociferously arguing with me that the 3x reduction in their bow's range when indoors made absolutely no sense. So we went outside, grabbed a bow and arrows, and set up a 50-yd target. "There's a reason it's called archery" is how the conversation went....
 
@nitsua60 That depends a bit on the draw weight, but also makes for an interesting penalty for archery in the forest.
 
@JoelHarmon Yeah, this was the dinky little 30-pounder I've got lying around.
(Maybe 25?)
 
Heck even in most shows I have seen people put an arc on the shot if it has to go any kind of distance
It's even represented in media
 
4:20 AM
Wikipedia reminds me that English longbows were effective out to ~300 yards, with a draw weight from 80-160 pounds, depending on the type.
 
@trogdor I feel like you see that with formations of archers loosing on an advancing formation, but the lone archer shooting at a target, Kevin Costner-Robin Hood-style... usually perfectly horizontal.
 
4:38 AM
@nitsua60 yeah true
But isn't the lone not shooting as far either?
God I swear this autocorrect is so dumb
Lone is a word and should not be auto replaced by line
 
5:05 AM
well day 1 as a Level 5 Bard was a big success though I did have a lot of bad rolls that could've made it even better. But Calm Emotions easily subdued 3 witches that we startled, and Clairvoyance let us see passed a magically sealed door and know that we were seriously outmatched for the other side at the moment.
 
Hey, do we have any Pathfinder experts online rn?
 
 
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6:50 AM
Highlights from tonight’s Sentinel Comics RPG session run by @DaveTheGame, wherein we infiltrated badly and I met my Maker.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:07 AM
lol
 
8:28 AM
@Yuuki What do you mean? It's definitely a spell. He just summoned a bee out of nothing. Look, there it is again! Oh no, you missed it.
 
lol
 
hmmm .. one rust monster later ... "does a parasol count as 25% soft cover concealment vs missile attacks?"
 
> Totally summoned a bee. You can use Deceive instead of Provoke to make a melee-range mental attack against an opponent.
 
8:55 AM
Green Dragon [Avignon, MS 29]
 
9:06 AM
Fist-pumpingly awesome D&D + Kids story from @robowieland (with real words this time) http://robowieland.blogspot.com/2018/01/a-d-anecdote.html
 
 
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12:29 PM
@BESW Beautiful.
 
> Totally a wizard. Once per scene you may claim that a single mundane effect, caused by you, is actually magical. Attempts to disprove this claim are opposed by a passive +4.
 
(then of course there's the follow-up)
 
> I was a terrible person. (aka The Eleanor Shellstrop) Once per scene you can get +2 on a skill for the rest of the scene by describing, in flashback, how you once used the skill to make someone miserable.
 
12:57 PM
...the more I think about various skill-replacement mechanics, the more I wind up wanting to mash them all together into a glorious nonsense.
There's not a lot of difference, for example, between 13th Age's "backgrounds" and the aspects-only Fate variant.
And we've demonstrated that skills and approaches both work fine at the same table.
 
 
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2:06 PM
That feeling when you wake up, and your third most upvoted answer is now about a bloody bee cantrip lol
 
Jun 27 '16 at 0:06, by nitsua60
If I repcap on sheep I may have to rage-quit RPGSE. Or at least opt out of the entire reputation system.
 
Just upvoted your sheep answer :P
My group had the same exact "issue", we settled on a goat to represent our sheep
 
Does anyone with the D&D 5e starter set wish to handle this question? Seems like a basic explanation of AC and where its involvement in attack is described in the starter set is all that's necessary.
 
2:23 PM
I have the started set, but not handy unfortunately
 
2:41 PM
"I don't feel like I belong," the intern said. The other nodded. "You too? Impostor Syndrome I guess." The bear in the tie nodded again.
 
2:58 PM
Sir Bearington strikes again @SPavel
 
3:16 PM
It feels good to draw Sonic the Hedgehogs and not have them turn out awkward. cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382763468853477376/…
 
@JuneShores Those are pretty lovely.
 
@JuneShores original characters do not steal?
 
I appreciate that Sally has her mouth open, as opposed to talking with a :T expression.
 
@SPavel All Sonic OCs are canon now, thanks to Sonic Forces.
 
@SPavel Nah, those are from the old SatAM cartoon and the comics.
 
3:18 PM
I have only ever possessed a single Sonic comic, one from the 90's, and I went through it at some point searching for all the spots characters were talking and their mouth was actually open, and I think I only counted like, three spots. All the other panels they were :T with a speech bubble.
 
That's because the Sonic comics were absolute garbage until around 2007.
 
Solution: add new Sonic Friends
and skater tape
 
That's Sonic Boom, which is an invention of 2016.

After '07, the art and writing took a drastic turn for the better, since Sega started paying attention to it after the fiasco that was their '06 video game.
 
Solution: Werehog
 
Last year the whole comic was cancelled. IDW has the license now and NOTHING IS CERTAIN.

I'm really worried that my favorite characters won't be coming back.
 
3:25 PM
@JuneShores :(
 
@nitsua60 Don't feel baaaaadd.
 
@Shalvenay Hey you! I found a legal-interpretation example in some online forum RPG. (I was looking for information on the Waddenzee covenant in Ars Magica and stumbled over it in a forum thread where a troupe is travelling there.) Wanna hear?
 
@Ryan Glad that your spell choices are working out for your Bard
 
@Ryan Nice! A bard really shines in solving problems and doing things differently. I'm getting fairly intrigued by Calm Emotions now :)
 
Calm Emotions strikes me as a Bardic Feature in spell form
Similar to Find Familiar, Find Steed, etc
 
@Randomorph I could see that - and it'd be neato
 
3:47 PM
@Yuuki 404
Also I suggest linking to whatever page was itself linking to that, so that we can get a description or preview or something.
 
@Yuuki just saw that on reddit :)
 
Oh rad, it's a google drive folder. So there are previews and stuff.
 
Yeah Calm Emotions would be way better than Song of Rest as an ability but its a low level spell so its still pretty useful
 
@Ryan Yes! That extra die for HP just isn't a huge deal.
 
4:14 PM
is there a particular reason for putting a tvtrope warning?
 
@AnneAunyme Mostly as a joke, as the site has a reputation for sucking people into it for hours
 
Yeah, it's a tab trap. Like Wikipedia, except more immediately entertaining.
 
Think of it as a Wikipedia for common themes and tropes of media
@kviiri yep exactly haha
 
So how dos fantasy grounds work and is it worth it
 
@John I haven't used it - but what are you trying to get out of it?
 
4:23 PM
USing it to make the D&D dm position easier for beginners
 
Haven't used it either, but it's somewhat similar to Roll20, in that it's just a platform to run games. You still need a DM and other players. But a lot of resources are included for you
 
How much is it?
 
@John that's a question for Steam or other game distributer
 
is it mobile?
 
4:37 PM
@John c'mon, John. You can search this. Fantasy Grounds
 
4:50 PM
Tomorrow's RPG schedule: second session of Curse of Strahd.
 
@kviiri spoiler: either strahd or the PCs die in the end.
or not. i dunno. never played it :)
 
@kviiri Actual Spoiler: Strahd kills Dumbledore.
 
@Randomorph Spoiler: rocks fall, everyone dies
 
@GreySage Unless you have "rock catching" ability....
 
@GreySage I mean, technically the rocks only do 2000d6 bludgeoning damage, but it's the players own fault for entering an area where rocks can be dropped on them.
 
4:57 PM
@Randomorph You should have immunity to non-magical weapons by now, come on!
 
@GreySage fun fact about that actually, Fall damage is not non-magical weapon damage. It's just bludgeoning damage.
 
@Randomorph But it turns out Dumbledore is Strahd's father.
 
You're not a seasoned adventurer until you've survived both fall damage and spring traps.
 
@kviiri better yet: A spring trap that launches you off a cliff. Two for one special.
 
> you've survived weathered
 
5:03 PM
Weathered? Was there also a Call Lightning trap on the roof above the Spring Trap?
 
5:13 PM
@NautArch darn Crawford and his weird rulings lol
 
@Randomorph heh, although I do agree with it. There's nothing in Rage (or concentration) that says it should break under a Trance.
 
Personally I'd argue that Trancing is a form of Concentration. Although you're correct on nothing interfering with Trance RAW/RAI, "Casting spells" for more than 2 hours is considered a Long Rest breaking event. Note that if you cast a spell with a casting time of more than 1 action, it uses your concentration.
Now that doesn't preclude Rage.. Except for the fact you can't Rage and Cast spells. This could be argued because it takes a certain kind of concentration, but that's a weak argument overall.
Actually scratch that: "A barbarian’s Rage makes concentration impossible but has no effect on spells, like spiritual weapon, that don’t require concentration."
So yeah, again, I realize the Almighty Word of Crawford has been spoken, but it seems contrary to the existing rules.
 
5:34 PM
@Randomorph The question isn't whether trance is a form of concentration (which it clearly isn't, because it doesn't say so). But what is Rage?
 
@NautArch Is there a way a character can rage for more than one hour?
 
@kviiri Persistent Rage, a high level Barbarian Feature
 
Woah, chat's crowded
 
@Randomorph Doesn't do that, does it?
Unless it's been errata'd.
 
"Beginning at 15th level, your rage is so fierce that it ends early only if you fall unconscious or if you choose to end it."
What does the errata say?
 
5:42 PM
@Randomorph Note, ends early.
 
@kviiri Hmm, so you're saying that because it has the qualifier "early" that there are other things that can make it end? Which doesn't seem very persistent :)
 
hrmm good point, seems that should be brought up on the other question as well
 
@NautArch See the Rage rules.
 
Yep lasts 1 minute, correct?
 
Rage lasts for one minute, and then there's a list of things that make it end early.
 
5:44 PM
@Randomorph with a spring trap at the bottom of that cliff
 
Usually, rage ends early when the barbarian loses consciousness, or hasn't attacked any hostile creature or taken damage since their last turn.
 
@kviiri that casting spells is incompatible with rage? That could mean equivalency and not one is greater than the other.
 
@NautArch What does casting spells have to do with this?
 
@kviiri you said see the rage rules. I was trying to figure out to which part you were referring.
 
The point is, the rules define a specific category of rages ending early, and the Persistent Rage feature only touches that bit.
 
5:48 PM
@kviiri Okay, but then how does interact with Short or Long Rests. Sitting there being angry isn't necessarily strenuous.
 
@NautArch The whole bit about whether it's strenuous is irrelevant, if you can't do it for long enough in the first place.
 
@kviiri very true, and I think I misread Persistent Rage. However, using a bonus action each minute doesn't necessarily seem very strenuous either
ah, but..oh crap.
 
Short rests, it's more interesting, because they don't have a similar "interrupt buffer" as Long ones do.
@NautArch You'll run out of Rages to use before the hour's up :)
 
@NautArch oh crap?
 
@Randomorph you are right, sir. Have an upvote.
deleted my answer
 
5:52 PM
Wait you have unlimited Rages at level 20 though
 
Each of which you have to engage every minute.
But if you're in a trance, you're not using a bonus action to rage
 
I guess the question is, can you take a bonus action while trancing?
 
@Randomorph I think that's clearly a no. You're trancing.
 
@Randomorph Oh, right. I was looking for that in class feature descriptions but the sly devs put it in the table.
 
Oh boy what a turn that question took lol
Really good catch by @kviiri on the "Ends early" part
 
5:56 PM
@kviiri And here I thought you couldn't be a seasoned adventurer until some trolls had slathered you in marinade to feast upon you.
 
@Randomorph there go all the Darth jokes :(
But I think you definitely CAN Rage through a SHort Rest - but that's another question
 
@NautArch yeah, I think Short Rest is much less strict on qualifying for it though
 
@Randomorph except for strenguous activity
 
The strenuous activity sections do differ slightly though
 
actually, I don't think it would work in Short Rest either "strenuous
than eating, drinking, reading, and tending to wounds." Hmm.
I think I"m tripped over allowing Concentration but not Rage
they both seem like mental activities
 
6:00 PM
Basically every DnD rule is a house of cards that can be toppled with the power of thought, don't worry too much about it :P
 
Like I was commenting on your old answer @NautArch I think treating Rage and Concentration as the same thing is a fair ruling.
They preclude each other, and both seem to be a largely mental focus exercise.
 
Wow, I had that upvote on my persistent rage answer faster than I could even notice :D
I did a brief scan for JC tweets regarding rages. This one is interesting: twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/859637863188713472
"Taking 0 damage is the same as taking no damage. #DnD"
@Randomorph Thanks for the kind words :)
 
@kviiri Well deserved, considering we were all debating back and forth for a good 15-30 minutes before you piped in haha
 
@Randomorph that's kinda my thought as well. GO ahead and put that on my question around strenuous activity (which is wehre I was kind of leading in my question.)
 
@Randomorph has a new avatar! No wonder I was getting confused
 
6:15 PM
@doppelgreener I do? I've had the same little green blob since I started on RPG stack
 
@Randomorph DO NOT DISTURB ME, WIZARD!! I AM BUSY CONCENTRATING, ON VIOLENCE.
@Randomorph Oh. Argh, I confused you with Rubiks. It's been a long day, sorry.
 
@Randomorph If they are the same thing, the you can say that they may preclude, yes. Or, you can say that by virtue of being the same thing -- if A = B and B = C then A = C -- therefore a trance can still use rage as the focus
 
@Alphaeus yep, and I'm arguing that even Concentration should violate the Long Rest requirements
@doppelgreener no worries, was just very confused for a second there haha
 
Wait, how does Rage equal Concentration? Isn't one "too angry to think clearly" and the other "focusing really hard to cast/maintain a spell"
 
@Randomorph Lemme know if you're going to answer the strenuous activity question.
@MikeQ I think we're using some equivalances. It's clearly not equal because you don't have to make checks on getting damage (although it does maintain by receiving damage)
 
6:23 PM
@Randomorph Ah, fair enough. That's a point I can accept.
 
@NautArch you mean like this ?
 
@MikeQ but it's the idea that Concentration is a mental mechanic of thought and rage could be seen as similar.
 
@MikeQ They are on the same level of mental occupation and focus. One is pouring your whole mind into some spell/ability/etc, the other is pouring your whole mind into combat.
 
@Randomorph d'oh - although our recent discussion of concentration seems to counter that answer.
that's the counter answer I was hoping someone would write (but I could do so myself if no one else does.)
 
@NautArch I disagree, I think it counters the premise that Concentrating through a long rest is okay
@MikeQ You cannot cast spells or concentrate on them while raging, thus implying a form of equivalency in focus.
 
6:25 PM
@Randomorph Hmm, although JCs tweet uses the rules to support his answer (it's not just pulled out of his arse like some other answers by him)
Nothing in the concentration mechanic is broken by Trance (long rest sleeping yes, trance no.)
 
Secretly, rules debates are my favorite thing about DnD. ^^
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Except now it's public, I guess.
 
@NautArch JC's tweet also doesn't chime in on Long Rest, only Trance. Trance does not forbid Concentration. Long Rest does.
 
@kviiri and starred :P
@Randomorph long rest does because you need to sleep and go unconscious
 
@Shalvenay now I am ;)
 
@NautArch my argument is that being focused on Watch for more than 2 hours (even for an elf) is considered enough to invalidate the rest.
 
6:27 PM
@NautArch Easy guide to get starred on this chat: make a joke about DnD rule debates --> collect a galaxy
 
@NautArch I thought that certain races, like elves, don't need to be asleep during a long rest. Did they change that in 5E?
 
@kviiri Go directly to rules lawyer jail. Do not pass Go, do not collect a galaxy.
 
@MikeQ no, but there are still requirements around what activities are permitted during a long rest in 5E
 
@Randomorph hmmm. THta's a pretty fine line that you can concentrate through a trance, but not through the remaining 4 hours to keep a longterm concentration spell going (like Hunter's Mark.)3
 
6:29 PM
@NautArch No I'm saying you can concentrate through a Trance, but not at all through a Long Rest
 
@Randomorph I get that. I'm just saying that's weird. Why allow it to pass a trance, but not a LR? When would you ever need to trance without taking the LR?
 
@NautArch RP reasons?
 
@doppelgreener lol
 
@Randomorph can you come up with one? I can't.
 
6:33 PM
@NautArch find a group of players and develop a storyline that hinges on there being no reason or difference and they will show you one.
 
Trance: Elves don’t need to sleep. Instead, they meditate deeply, remaining semiconscious, for 4 hours a day.
So can you concentrate while being semi-conscious?
 
@MikeQ I'm arguing no.
I think Jeremy just looked at the Trance rules and figured "Hey nothing prevents it from Trance" but missed out on the fact that even concentrating on watch for more than 2 hours invalidates your rest.
Keeping watch vs Raging vs Maintaining a spell
 
I wonder what happens if someone takes a LR and has lucid dreams about casting and/or concentrating...
 
Also casting spells for more than an hour (another activity that would use concentration) will invalidate a rest
 
6:50 PM
In the 1900's, some chess problems were built around rules-lawyering the holes of the existing tournament rules.
 
@NautArch I improved my answer, and streamlined it somewhat. I think the arguments are a bit more convincing now.
 
One would think that a centuries-old game would by that time have developed an unambiguous reading of its rules.
 
@Randomorph Unfortunately, it now disagrees with the accepted answer on Concentrating through long rests::/
 
No it doesn't.
That question addresses the INVERSE of what I'm stating
 
Your last bolded sentence is a direct contradiction
" Raging (and by extension, Concentration) cannot be done during a Long Rest for longer than 1 hour, or in a more generous ruling, 2 hours, without breaking a Long Rest."
 
6:52 PM
"Does taking a long rest end concentration?" Not "Can you gain the benefits of a Long Rest while Concentrating"
Both conditions must pass, not just one.
 
I'm not seeing those as mutually exclusive. If you've taken the long rest, you get the benefits. If you can concentrate through a long rest, you hvae taken the long rst.
 
You may be able to concentrate through a long rest, because nothing (except unconsciousness) ends a Long Rest. But that does not mean While you concentrate you can actually take a Long Rest and gain its benefits.
 
But then you're not concentrating through a Long Rest. YOu're just concentrating through 8 hours.
 
In other words, you can concentrate while the rest of the party takes a long rest?
 
It's like saying "The sky is red so I can't fly" and "The Sky is Blue" then concluding I can fly.
@NautArch right, I'm saying the premise is flawed because it only proved one side of the equation
 
6:56 PM
And it would also state under Breaking Concentration "taking a Long Rest"
instead, it lists things that break it - and none fall under Long Rest if you don't go unconscious.
 
It doesn't need to. Unconsciousness is there. Under a Long Rest, you can't even read or keep watch for more than 2 hours.
One way works, but the other way fails.
 
@Randomorph It does because of Elves. Leaving it out seems intentional, as supported by Crawford's tweet on it as well.
 
Also just because something has been established, doesn't mean it is correct forever.
 
@Randomorph very true - and you should probably add a competing answer to that question.
 
@NautArch I might, so that it's at least historically represented
 
7:00 PM
But in this case, in order for it not to be true, you have ot make an assumption that Concentration counts as something more than it says it does. It also means that when upcasting Hunter's Mark (and burning a 5th level slot), you also can't gain rest benefits. If you're expending that type of resource, I'd personally allow it. It doesn't seem to be gamebreaking and it does somewhat follow the rules around concentration.
 
Yesterday was my last day of work at my former employer. I brought a box of chocolates and tried to leave without a big fuss because I probably would've been overwhelmed by all that.
Wound up taking some of my former colleagues to the pub because I'm so bad with goodbyes :)
One of them, actually my former boss, is an RPG guy. He invited me to play with him someday.
 
@NautArch That would seem to be the current ruling. Considering that long rests now require sleep, and sleep requires you to go unconscious (as far as the game's mechanics are concerned), unless you don't need to sleep to long rest, you won't be able to concentrate through it all.
 
@Adam Right, and that's the edge case we're discussing. Trance forgoes sleep. It's not that Concentration is 'strenuous" which negates maintaining it; it's that you need to remain conscious which you can do with Trance.
 
Oh is this still the raging thing?
 
@Adam sortof it's evolved a bit
 
7:10 PM
@Adam Yes, this discussion is all the rage lately
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I'm debating about deleting the strenuous rage question. It's really no longer relevant now that you can't maintain rage through a trance.
 
@MikeQ Ha
 
and the parallel question of concentration during long rest has already been asked (even if now @Randomorph disagrees with it :) )
 
Oof. I'd forgotten how different the voting standards are in this community than some others. Just asked a question on one of the tech sites and got a -1, no comment.
Around here, even a noob question that needs some work (even duplicates) are likely to get to +5 or so.
 
@SirTechSpec Yeah, i've asked a couple questions on other stacks and gotten destroyed. It's awful.
 
7:20 PM
I have posted my counter argument on the long rest debate.
 
@NautArch I mean, the flip side is that around here, anyone with <1000 rep is new, whereas on other sites 500 rep might mean you've been around a while and asked/answered some pretty good questions. So it's tough to say that either style is objectively wrong... but I think I prefer our way.
 
@SirTechSpec I've even commented to clarify and ask how to improve with no response.
 
@Randomorph Your argument makes sense if you were casting a spell with a 1 hour casting time, but actively casting a spell is not the same as maintaining a previously cast spell using concentration. Casting a spell with a longer cast time can use concentration, but you can also concentrate for up to 23 hours 59 minutes with some spells and never cast any other spell in that time
 
I think it has something to do with the ratio of active participants to questions. Around here, people tend to stick around, and look at other questions, even for systems they haven't played, and thus become part of the community and weigh in on a lot of things. On superuser, the people who actually answer questions are a much smaller fraction of the traffic.
 
@Adam except I also cover that just general Concentration seems to equate to at least Light Activity.
 
7:25 PM
You argue that because casting spells with a longer casting time requires concentration, and because casting spells can end long rest, then concentration must also end a long rest. That logic doesn't follow.
It's just as valid that maintaining concentration is as light an activity as reading.
 
Right. Which you can't do for more than 2 hours. Raw. Even as an Elf.
Which is what the following paragraph says, just uses "keeping watch" as it's example instead
 
@NautArch It's the line of defense against the multitude of users who want to use the technical sites for work or homework help. These users are not interested in being part of a community and attempts to explain what's wrong with their questions often are futile, and frequently cause abuse hurled at the commenter for daring to criticize their question.
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RPG.SE's atmosphere is markedly different - you have no "help vampires" here because almost no one depends on RPG knowledge for anything they deem crucial.
 
@Randomorph based on the way that sentence is written, I'm pretty sure it means you can't keep watch for more than 2 hours, not that you can't do any of the stuff in the list for more than 2 hours
 
"reading, talking, eating, or standing watch for no more than 2 hours."
It's ambiguous at best, and in common usage, would apply to the whole list
 
that's ambiguous at best. It could equally be reading or eating or talking or 2 hours of (standing watch) as much as it could be 2 hours of (reading, eating, etc.)
 
7:31 PM
As an example for the strenuous part at least: here
it seems that there is precedent to interpret a statement like that to apply to the whole list
 
It also tells us that the developers intended those rules really only matter when the party has to actively give up on a rest.
However, the errata'd long rest rules are completely unambiguous and agree with your interpretation. So, even though I think it's stupid that in a 10 hour rest, I could sleep for 6 hours, but reading for 3 hours after that makes it so that I no longer benefit, I must concede.
 
Using that logic, as long as I don't "give up on the rest" I can stay up all night playing the bagpipes and riding a unicycle and get a Long Rest.
 
that statement is only as it relates to strenuous combat activity.
but it doesn't really matter anymore. You're right, no matter how much I think the implications are absurd.
 
@Adam Oh I agree it can be a bit silly, if they put in the extra time to sleep, I'd say it's fine to get the long rest. But I also think it's incredibly silly you can be half-conscious and maintain a spell, while meditating (see focusing) on your Trance
Considering that a wave hitting you on a boat could break your concentration.
While you're full conscious, even if you were expecting it.
Welp, got my first downvote on it lol
 
I think many of my DnD downvotes are from people who assume the rules, when interpreted correctly, will make sense :)
Not that I blame them for such idealism, though. I'm equally slanted towards cynicism I guess! x)
 
7:40 PM
@ACuriousMind I can see how homework is an issue, but I'm pretty sure at least 3/4 of the stackoverflow questions and half the superuser questions are for work help... like, that's the point, no?
 
@NautArch dropped the hammer! BOOM!!!
 
@nitsua60 Yeah, that one seemed pretty clear.
felt comfortable doing it. Let's see if I"m wrong (protip: I probably am)
aka: ask my wife.
 
@NautArch Your humbleness is to your credit, sir!
 
Dropped the hammer?
 
@Randomorph the Dupe Hammer.
 
7:42 PM
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Q: Why did DnD-5e developers add Dex bonus to damage on Dex based attacks?

jasonfmI.e., Are there statements by the writers/developers describing why Dex bonus is now on damage done as well as to hit rolls, breaking the precedent of versions 1e-4e? Part B to this question, is that I really would like their opinion on why this does not make Dex bonus OP, relative to STR. For ...

 
Not that I"m a dupe.
 
@NautArch In our household, the man always gets the final say: "yes darling".
 
@kviiri I"m more of a "Yes, dear".
 
You're both much better than me: "sorry, what'd you say?"
 
@Randomorph The comment under the question is where you were going with this from the beginning.
 
7:44 PM
@SirTechSpec The problem is not inherently with people asking for homework/work help. The problem is that many ask these questions without showing any effort whatsoever, or any understanding of the site's rules, and simply expect the solution to their often ill-posed or underspecified questions to be served to them on a silver platter
 
@NautArch yep exactly
 
@nitsua60 It makes up for when I say "Just because you don't remember, doesn't mean I didn't say it."
 
@ACuriousMind Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
@ACuriousMind this is not the site to go to for confirmation bias
 
That said, I'm quite happy with our site's high quality.
Math.SE and Stackoverflow, which I also frequent, are simply abysmal in comparison.
 
7:46 PM
The first time you comment on such a question hopeful you can help a new user out and receive "just answer my question, <expletive>" in return, you shrug. The tenth time, you grit your teeth. The hundredth time, you stop engaging and just downvote without exposing yourself to that. It's not ideal, but that's how it works.
 
@ACuriousMind Yeah, but after a couple-hundred, you run for mod and get the option to "destroy" =D
 
@ACuriousMind I agree with that sentiment. Toxicity should not be rewarded.
 
@nitsua60 Well, I'm a mod so that I get the abuse, not the other users :P
I leave comments on many new posts, and it's depressing how rarely I see anyone actually trying to understand the problem and improve their posts. Good examples do exist, but at least in my subjective perception they are drowned out by the many who simply don't care
 
@ACuriousMind i hear ya
that was actually (kind of) why I asked this downvoted meta question
feel free to jump on the downvote train
 
@ACuriousMind I just console myself that the comments are as much for even more for the thousand others that read it than for the post author.
 
7:52 PM
@NautArch I think it's actually sad it's been downvoted so much. Even if the idea is not that good, I think it's a good thing you brought it up.
And in a more general sense, I think it's good that people bring out their ideas without too much filtering in terms of "but will they like it".
 
I guess that's why there's no gamification of meta?
 
At least on other sites, downvotes on meta often mean you disagree with the proposed action, not that the post is a bad thing to bring up. That's why there's no rep on meta. Except meta.SE, which is another beast entirely :P
 
@kviiri That's where meta voting can sometimes be hard to draw much meaning from. I know there are plenty of times I've thought "I'm really glad somebody raised this, and they put their legwork into this post, and I disagree strongly with the conclusion they draw." I can't say I've consistently upvoted or downvoted or abstained in those cases.
 
Yeah, agreed :)
@NautArch Yup
 
@NautArch Ant yet, the badgers
 
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