good afternoon

Heyo.

Good nights

rocking this working parent thing right now. Giving the 5yr old a bath and on a conf call.

@Flamma If you would kindly stop insulting me and everyone I've ever played with, that would be appreciated.

all that the Stormwind Fallacy says is the way that I play the game is a valid one

@KRyan please take this to another room guys

and when you deny that claim

@KRyan Cool off!

@KRyan I have not insulted anyone. I'm sad you took my POV as an insult

you are insulting me and everyone I've played with

@Flamma your point of view is that the way I play is invalid

I wanted to talk to you to assure you I'm not insulting anyone

if I said the way you were playing was invalid, would you not be insulted?

if I said that you do not count, would you not be insulted?

because that is the meaning of your statements

Sincerely I would not be insulted

if you didn't like my way of gaming

which I didn't say anyway

not "do not like"

that you don't count as a roleplayer in the first place

the Stormwind Fallacy says that I can simultaneously roleplay and optimize

I claim I optimize

therefore, when you claim that I cannot do both

you claim that I cannot be a roleplayer

because I optimize

first, that wouldn't be an insult, then I didn't say that

that is the statement that you are making, and that statement is an insult

what I said is that optimization can get in the way of RPG

@Flamma yes, you did, every single time you claimed that the Stormwind Fallacy is not, in fact, fallcaious

@KRyan @Flamma Hey guys I agree take it somewhere else. chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16380/chat

I saw flaw logic in many of its statement

@Flamma that has nothing to do with the Stormwind Fallacy

that is not the claim made

Guys, out of this room please. Or I will suspend both of you for half an hour.

you cannot take that I disagree with an article as an insult to you

@Flamma I can and am, because the statement made by that article is that my style of play is valid

@waxeagle I came to explain myself and to assure KRyan I never intended to insult anyone

@waxeagle I sincerely do not want to. I do not think that this conversation should be ghettoized because heated and passionate opinion makes some people uncomfortable

that seems like an inappropriate solution

This room was placed in timeout for 2 minutes; the topic of this room is "Main chat room for Tabletop Role-Playing Games" - conversation should be limited to that topic.

2 minute time out. y'all take it elsewhere. and I'll refrain from handing out suspensions for spamming the room with an argument no one wants here.

/me loots the room's body

well, /me does nothing here apparently

@waxeagle Could I talk to you somewhere?

That was a fast 2 minutes

@Tritium21 I think there is a way to do it. I can't remember how though.

I suppose that this would use StackExchange flavored markdown

@waxeagle I think because that sentence is extremely easy to overlook.

@GamerJosh yeah, that's fair

@waseagle I have created a room for KRyan and me talking the problem. Is that acceptable?

@Flamma absolutely, that's what we were asking you to do

@waxeagle and I still disagree with that demand very strongly, and feel marginalized by your enforcement of it

@waxeagle I'm sorry, I don't use chat very much and I didn't know I could do that

@KRyan we exhausted that topic over an hour ago in here, and I told you to take it to meta or talk to SE. This room does not need to host that argument. I'm sorry if you feel that way.

@KRyan I have created a room for us to talk if it pleases you chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16382/kryan-and-flamma-talk

@KRyan I'm not continuing the discussion here

@Flamma thankyou

guys, I've got sign off. Please use your flags if you need to and the modpocalypse will descend.

@Tritium21 We use [actions] here.

[demonstrates]

@waxeagle This sounds amusing... As long as I am not the target

you can get access to the /me syntax (it really just italicizes so it use *x* syntax) via the SE chat modifications script (no longer compatible with chrome :()

15 years on (RPG related) IRC has taught me quite a few things, but the most important is this: once someone, and it does not matter what party does this, once someone accuses another of insulting themselves or some group based on an argument, no matter how dispassionate and logical the argument is, its time for that conversation to just end

@Aaron its really not.

@waxeagle that's sad

@Tritium21 that means that no insult can ever be gotten past and no insulted party can ever air their grievances

that strikes me as an incredibly unhealthy policy to have

@waxeagle Aw. So it just sounds amusing but is actually scary?

@Aaron it will almost always lead to indiscriminate chat suspensions or at the very least pile on flagging

Ouch.

chat flags ping all the mods and all the 10k users

Anyway see you later

@KRyan No, it just means that the public does not need to see 2 parties flinging insults at eachother.

@waxeagle ... That is a lot of people

@waxeagle who as a result mostly ignore them...

take it out of the channel

the chat system is not really that great

Anyway. I am thinking of picking up another system because I have become quite good with Pathfinder. Any recommendations? Preferably something that I don't have to sink a lot of money into.

@Aaron Legend's free, and has its similarities

it's got flaws, but it's got nifty things too

FATE's super-popular; not sure what if anything it costs

Fate

they stopped the all-caps thing

got to remember that

Fate core is pay what you want

I like Strands of FATE

@Aaron Are there particular parts of Pathfinder that you liked or didn't like? Could help with recommendations. For instance, I love me some Fate (however it's capitalized), but it's very different from D&D, and probably not for everyone.

Eh. At this point I don't care about similarities. I will probably make a list of all recommendations and look at each one before choosing which to dive into.

As long as no one invokes F.A.T.A.L.

So far I have Legend and Fate

I will look into DeadEarth for the amusing character creation as well XD

@Aaron I dont suppose you havnt already tried the trio of WoD systems

@Tritium21 No idea what you mean so I assume not.

if you're looking for one offs, Dread And Do Pilgrims of the Flying Temple are good, and Cthulu Dark sounds pretty awesome

@Aaron games by White Wolf

@Aaron World of Darkness.

World of Darkness. the white wolf/onyx path games

White Wolf has a series of games, most notably World of Darkness

they have awesome, evocative, and powerful settings

and absolutely terrible mechanics

Mythicalbeast: The Thinging

White Wolf is, sadly, no longer a game company, just an IP holding company. Onyx Path makes the games now

Excell: The Accounting

<Noun>: the <Pretentious Noun>

Pencil: the Sharpening

Dog: The Barking

@Metool This title sounds amusing

@Tritium21 Was this another joke one or serious?

Pencil: the Sharpening actually exists as a game, but it is a parody.

Cretaceous: The Extinction

I made a rather-detailed Excel sheet for the Exalted game I played in, but I'm not sure that you have to

@Tritium21 The Excell one

That actually sounds like it would be fun

@Aaron oh no, that was a joke

Ok.

So far I have these

Traveler and FASA Star Trek have interesting character creation rules... You can die in character creation!

>.>

@Tritium21 Dead Earth as well. From what I understand the game is horrid but making characters is amusing.

Microscope and Storium are two ... they're kind of RPG-related systems?

rather than RPG systems?

I recommend Exalted, but I understand that's a controversial choice here.

(though I might be misunderstanding what Storium is)

You roll your background and history, and some of the things include being in wars and having died in combat

Storium is kindof a card game isn't it?

@Grubermensch Exalted has some really cool stuff in it, but the mechanics are fairly poor, and more than a few aspects of the fluff is very ... disturbing?

@Grubermensch Exalted is less for combat and mostly RP because characters are so powerful right?

Exalted uses almost the same system as V:tM

Like someone told me the character's in Exalted are capable of destroying the world.

Exalted has some broken. But if you can maneuver around the broken, it's super fun.

@Tritium21 Vampire the masquerade?

@Aaron Kinda sorta not really.

@Aaron Yes

Exalted has a cinematic feel to it

Hmm. I think I will start with Exalted and see how that goes. I think it is freeish

I have quite the list now.

It is most certainly not freeish

@Grubermensch Oh?

Vampire: The Masquerade is a game in the world of darkness. WoD encompasses several game lines

nope, doesn't work

@Aaron rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/3671/…

You can get older editions of Exalted fairly cheap. I think they are about to release a new edition. Its all on drivethru

@KRyan markdown doesn't work at all in multiline messages

@Grubermensch O.O. Then again legend seemed awfully interesting. I think I will start with that one

I'm about to start running a Legend campaign myself.

@Aaron Oh, cool. Can you access IRC?

@waxeagle huh.

* test?

@Metool IRC?

doesn't work for single line either

IRC, the chat protocol.

@Aaron Internet Relay Chat

Internet Relay Chat. It is the granddaddy of all chat

@Tritium21 usenet?

@Metool Oh. Probably? Not right now as I am at work.

@KRyan thats not chat, really. Not real time at least

@KRyan Usenet isn't real-time.

Alright, ping me when you can.

Ok.

@Grubermensch What time are you running it?

@Tritium21 right, just looked that up and discovered that

@Aaron I'm already full, actually.

@Aaron If you can access SE chat, you can get on irc. Mibbit is a service that lets you connect to arbitrary irc servers. many have their own web clients

@Grubermensch huh, I missed that somehow

@Grubermensch I just wanted to know if I could sit in and watch.

@Tritium21 Weeeeell. Technically I shouldn't be on this chat sooooo. Whistles

@KRyan asterisk before and after

@KRyan It was never advertised here. It's among my meatspace friends.

@waxeagle I wasn't trying for italics, I was trying for a list

@Aaron I wont tell if you wont

@Grubermensch ah, ok

@Aaron Sorry, I'm not interested in spectators.

@KRyan ah yeah, listing won't work here

@Tritium21 Yea I try to keep my non work stuff limited to this site for the most part though.

@Grubermensch Ok.

chat.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting

that is the list of markdown that works here

Is there anyway to make a link display fully?

@Aaron [chat.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting]http://…

nope

lol

Nope.

[http://chat.stackexchange.com/faq#formatting](http://chat.stackexchange.com/fa‌​q#formatting)

yes!

Hhhhhow?

I made it a code block

Right then...

[or by making the arbitrary text of the link the link itself](about:blank)

huh, did not know about strikethrough

interesting

aww

Ohhh. I already like Legend a bit more. You can choose some of your good saves. Like the rogue gets to choose between fort or will

@Aaron yeah, and every class has exactly two good saves

so they're more even that way

to be honest though, this is all i have been playing for the last six months or so.

heh, a friend of mine had a house in a town called Kismet

I didn't learn the meaning of the word until much later

I wasnt a facist, I was a paid murderer

...

Wrong chat

...

RPG character background related

wow.

heh

so we hoped

also, hate to be nit-picky, but it's fascist, facist isn't a word but if it was it would be someone who... faces?

@KRyan What do you have against faces? What are you a facist!

hah

Can I just say I love playing deep, multifaceted, min-maxed characters?

tends to be my preference, certainly

@Tritium21 I like glass cannons. Case in point playing a front line combatant who is a magus/wizard. My health sucks

@Aaron That can be fun if you have a good cleric, or at low enough levels, a bard in the party... but I just like the Barbarian/Heavy with an interesting personality. Example: in sr4 I played an aging jewish ork.

@Tritium21 Interesting

Spending 3 nights after a bloody battle outside the holdout cleansing made some interesting role playing

I read the online pages of legend. It looks fun.

@Aaron all of it is online..?

were you here?

@KRyan No just some sample pages. You have to download the pdf for all of it

@KRyan yes

huh

what sample pages were there?

don't remember those

(good chance they weren't updated, so details may have changed)

Magic items and tracks? [/guess]

ruleofcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/prpgs.pdf

Sample pages^

Ohhh, way outdated.

Well, ish. There's been a change to the Rogue chassis, and they have Good BAB and 6 skills, or Poor BAB and 8 skills, I think it was.

Individual abilities may have changed, too.

It still gives a good feel of the type of game it is though right?

@Aaron yes

only details getting changed

well, aside from minions and weapons

those were pretty big changes

@KRyan You can have minions or foes have minions?

@Aaron Foes, generally, though I think [Legendary] abilities let you have minions too.

[Legendary] is not one of the game assumptions, though, and is more of an optional rule thing.

@Metool There was a snippet of the legendary thing at the end of the sample pages. It seems similar to the mythic system in pathfinder? Only less... broken

Haha... Yeah, it's Mythic but also tied to level.

... why does this archer run up to the opponent to deliver arrows from his bow? that is counter to the purpose of bows

This archer right here.

@Tritium21, @MrTheWalrus Hi!

hi

@Aaron cthulhu-dark and roll-for-shoes are free, fast, and fun to learn and play.

@Metool Also, I'm pretty sure if anybody and the Flash run towards each other to fight, they're not going to meet in the middle.

@Metool Oh. If it was this Archer, I'd guess "because he's drunk."

@Tritium21 ...okay, I think I caught up with the backlog. Not sure I've seen you in chat before, I'm sorry you came in during one of our (thankfully increasingly rare) Dramasplosions.

"Are you faster than a speeding arrow?" Then he runs at Superman. Gutsy move.

Alright gents, next time you hear from me I'll be on west coast time!

Assuming I don't get lost on the way.

@Grubermensch Enjoy your travel.

Thanks.

@BESW Eh. It happens.

I was casually getting ready for my day, thinking about what I was going to be doing and suddenly I realised I have people coming here for a Ruhí meeting in fifteen minutes. [augh!]

@LessPop_MoreFizz Heyo.

> In its original usage the word wight described a living human being.

Huh, neat.