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12:49 AM
@Rob the teurge is the director, for it's stronger and the guild chief can't but value that. I'm the rookie that's never gonna catch up, but I don't want to be that.
@BESW how comes there are characters who never failed?
 
1:03 AM
@Zachiel Not sure what you mean.
 
1:29 AM
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Q: What are the most effective ways to protect a character against critical hits?

PrestonMy DM has some evil dice. These dice seem to roll a much higher than average number of 20s, resulting in a much higher than average critical hit rate against the party. What are some ways a character can protect themselves vs critical hits? My party's current average level is 6, but solutions at ...

Statistical anomaly time!
 
1:42 AM
Me posting options time!
 
@Lord_Gareth Incoming!
 
Incoming what?
 
As in watch out for the large incoming bomb of a post.
You did say you were about to post a ton of options. If you're anything like KRyan, that's going to be a big bomb.
 
@SimonGill I hope so, cuz I was about to answer that question and I really didn't feel like it
I know the mechanically-best option but it's not exactly a trivial thing to add to a character, fluff-wise, since that answer is to become Undead
which means I'd have to look up the next-best answer
 
That is the first thing I wrote >.>
 
1:46 AM
@KRyan Evil party could be fun.
 
heavy fortification is the easy answer, but it's very expensive
 
But Necropolitian doesn't change your alignment, at least
Also hi KRyan ^_^
 
@SimonGill oh certainly, but it sounds like he's trying to drop this on an existing char
 
Anyway.... it's well past bedtime now. I've gotten into the Black Palace under Torchlight - so time to go get stuck back into The Eye Of The World :)
 
hey LG
@Lord_Gareth yeah, me too. I've also got down Warforged Juggernaut, which is another easy option mechanically but not something that can be added to just any character
construct essence out of Races of Eberron also works for Warforged
that's all I've got so far
 
1:49 AM
Before i go though - if it's as bad as it sounds, it may be that it won't take long before he needs a new character.
 
@SimonGill haha, good point
 
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A: What are the most effective ways to protect a character against critical hits?

Lord_GarethBe ready to read a lot of options Critical hit immunity/protection against critical hits comes in a LOT of flavors in 3.5, which you seem to be playing (since that's the tag on the thread). The easiest method, by far, is to just ditch life and become undead. The Necropolitian template (Libris Mo...

I had reason to instruct someone in the fine art of non-AC defenses recently so they're still fresh in my mind
@Rob wanted some 2nd level spells and I was like, "Mirror Image, man. Just Mirror Image."
 
heh
 
I must leave for now but I think I'll be back on soon.
See ya folks!
 
2:12 AM
I RETURN!
 
@Lord_Gareth: I strongly recommend against the Why Play Anything Else? thread on GitP right now
then again, the masochist you are, you might... well, not enjoy, but you seem attracted to raging
Flicker's beside himself right now
 
O.o
What's happening?
 
first, there's a guy I don't recognize, who is seriously giving willpell a run for his money in the wtf-game-constructs scene (though still definitely second in that arena, and hasn't shown any of willpell's insanity outside gaming), and then there's this other guy who is, well, backing up the first guy and being the standard schroedinger's spellbook-thief
oh, and Amphetryon seemed determined to convince me that I was saying things I was not actually saying
 
Don't get banned again bro, not worth it.
 
I stopped a while back
 
2:20 AM
@KRyan - Mind weighing in rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/20106/… <-Here?
 
@Lord_Gareth I haven't the faintest idea; I've taken a look at it but I just don't think WotC ever really addressed that
@CatLord's answer seems as good as any
 
I think PGtF or Drow of the Underdark has some spells to turn you into slime
Drow have a slime god in their pantheon
 
true, there's also that slime-based PrC out of some ill-advised 3.0 book
though I think he might just get the ability to rebuke them
 
Actually
It's 3.5
And it's PGTF
 
oh yeah?
but it's FR
that practically counts as 3.0
 
2:24 AM
Also Thrall of Jubilex
 
they do the same stupid things
 
BoVD
Heh, we both got upvoted again in the critical hit thread
 
not surprising
hey, I broke 8k
 
So how's life been for you lately?
 
ok
boss is out of the country, so we've instituted a rotating four-day work-week
 
2:30 AM
I'm sorta intimidated about the 1k+ reps I see around.
Then again folks were acting surprised about me getting 200 in one day so I dunno
 
200's the cap
so it's kind of a big deal
on the other hand, between Dec 17 and Dec 21, I hit it 4/5 days
 
I think I've hit the 200 rep/day cap... three times?
My rep usually comes from long-term slow voting though.
Or at least that's how it feels.
 
@LitheOhm thought I'd gotten rep from other stacks. I didn't even know there WERE other stacks.
 
@Lord_Gareth StackOverflow is by-far the most famous of them
and there are a lot of them
you get 100 rep for joining another SE site if you have at least 200 on one of them
 
Huh.
And StackOverflow is what?
 
2:34 AM
also, you can break the cap because accepted answers and bounties don't count towards it
@Lord_Gareth the best programming resource in the world
the site is literally incredible and makes my job many times easier than it otherwise would be
the name is a reference to a stack overflow error, which generally happens when you mismanage memory
 
Awesome, I'll remember that.
....I was going to ask if there was a religious discussion one, but I probably shouldn't. I'll get banned so fast it'll go back in time and get me expelled from school retroactively
Cool new badge!
 
@Lord_Gareth discussion, not so much. Except for chat, the site is all question-answer
 
That's the nature of Stack Exchange. Soap boxes are hard to find.
@KRyan I find your use of idiom disturbing.
 
@BESW yep. Our closest soap boxes are either starred comments in chat or ask-and-answer-your-own-question
 
@BESW in what sense?
 
2:40 AM
Gotta log, see ya'll
 
@KRyan As opposed to figuratively or metaphorically impossible to believe?
 
@Lord_Gareth later
@kryan are you in class this semester?
 
@BESW aha. point.
@LitheOhm I am, quite masochistically so
18 credits
@Lord_Gareth I take it back, read that thread. One of the latest posts (by Grinner, you'll know when you see it) is pure gold and worth skimming the other stupid
 
[face/palm] I've got an online friend whose 3.5 GM seems to delight in randomly declaring that certain rules don't work anything like the book says.
> so apparently
> Leadership is supposed to make me more influential in my party
> it's supposed to make my party members respect my decisions more
> and I still have steps to take to attract a follower
> is how I was informed it worked by my DM >_<
 
2:57 AM
@BESW wut.
that's
my god that just might be the worst houserule I have ever heard
 
This GM also feels that a wizard with a wand of magic missile needs to make UMD checks with scroll-like backfire chances.
And apparently that caster level = level of highest spell caster can cast.
And it's not like he lays these out "Here are my house rules" at the beginning of the game.
In the middle of combat, "I use my wand." "Okay, make a UMD check. Didn't put skill points into it? Oops, you blew up. Too bad."
 
@BESW .........
welp, time to find a new game, then
 
3:38 AM
@KRyan damn. I've heard of this thing, not sure if you're familiar with it. It's called sleep lol
 
@LitheOhm tell me about it
 
 
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5:07 AM
oh hey, looks like I'd gotten all the secret hats. That's cool
 
5:23 AM
@KRyan nice
@BESW yep. "goodbye"
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton well, excepting the 8th hat that only like 3 non-mods in all SE got
 
@KRyan whut?
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton apparently there was an eighth secret hat that very few people got
and only on Meta
some of the mods got it
 
there are rumors that the admins literally had to manually enable it for anyone who got it
cuz it wasn't in the sprite sheet?
 
5:28 AM
evening gents
 
hiyo
@BrianBallsun-Stanton: I do feel like we might have scared off Noctani some... I mean, someone who puts that much effort into an answer, even if it is wrong, could be valuable
also, hmm.
my own answer does have some of the same issues, in that it's explaining how the features aren't worth crap, not explaining how to make the most of them
other than the unarmed strike section and alternatives section
 
be it a monk question in question?
 
@Novian yeah, Noctani's a new poster whose answer to the question was very long, very thorough and detailed, and frequently very inaccurate
which I mean
 
We all make mistakes we are devoted to, even if we dont know it.
 
with the facts straight, and maybe a bit more focus on advice/answer than just analysis, it could be a great answer, and/or he could make a great answerer
@Novian right, that's kind of my point
we kind of... I mean, he got a bunch of downvotes and there was a comment on the thing about how "welcome, all this you just wrote up doesn't fit the site"
I mean, Brian was nicer than that but I don't think he took it nicer than that
I dunno, maybe I'm overthinking/overworrying things
I was with his post in the first place
 
5:35 AM
indeed. if he doesnt come back not all is lost. if he does good for him.
no need to worry.
 
I do think we should take this as a teaching moment.
@KRyan is right, this probably could've been handled much more tactfully if peoples' personal preferences had been kept further back from the action.
I know I'm going to be looking at this and trying to learn what I should and shouldn't do next time a similar situation occurs.
 
We're not a blog.
We don't support "multiple posts" (his words)
Huge tangential essays that don't actually answer the question need to be improved.
Beyond that, it also cited nothing.
So from a purely stack viewpoint, it's a bad answer.
 
Agreed. I think the action taken was appropriate and perhaps even mild. But the sentiments expressed behind the scenes (which is really right in the open due to the nature of SE) were neither.
 
@BESW correct.
And that I should have sat on from the beginning
being overworked is no excuse.
I'm the mod most often in chat. It's my damn fault.
 
Neither is not having a mod around an excuse for us.
 
6:27 AM
I AM DRUNK!
 
Good to know. A vague disclaimer is nobody's friend.
 
Heya @BESW, @KRyan, Brian etc
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton definitely not. there were some legitimate concerns that had to be hashed out, and I don't think anyone was cruel or anything even here in chat. He reacted badly far more than anyone acted badly towards him. As you say, it is a bad answer. I was merely commenting that it would be a shame to lose him over it, but if we do it is as much because he cannot take criticism as anything else.
@Lord_Gareth hey, heh, I'm actually off for sleep
but
hey
 
@KRyan - I did sort of go off on a giant tear of existential "oh god why" here in chat about it.
Because I still have trouble believing that posts like that get made after 10+ years of this system
 
@Lord_Gareth well, at any rate I kind of doubt he saw any of it, not that that is any excuse for bad behavior
but I don't think it was that bad
night all!
 
6:37 AM
Even if there hadn't been a modicum of character assassination --wildly inappropriate under any circumstances-- the serial hyperbole in our discussions about the accuracy of his answer was at best inaccurate and unhelpful (as it clouded our understanding of what was actually wrong).
 
I had pretty thorough understanding of how much of it was actually wrong. I was just having trouble dealing only in the STATEMENTS of what was wrong rather than the further IMPLICATIONS those statements suggested
 
@Lord_Gareth Actually, no. You are incorrect.
The wrong parts of it from the stack point of view were the "not answering the question" and "no references"
We are unable to discuss the validity of claims because of those aspects.
 
Fair enough
 
Just because it's a hot button for you, and the fact that infected chat, does not change the fact that we were wrong on what was wrong.
 
Keeping in mind that ATM I'm five shots in and feeling HAMMERED
Thankfully tag system kept me from being stupid just now.
 
6:46 AM
@Lord_Gareth may I suggest that you leave chat for the moment, then? 5 shots is likely bad enough that you're going to say something you'll regret.
 
Oh, no, that wasn't a leadup
I was stating that as an explanation of why recall might be a little blurry ATM
I'm feelin' cheeful as hell :D
 
Right. Well, have a nice night, mate.
 
No, the "tag system kept me from being stupid," thing was going to be error of fact on my part. Saw a thread about invisible things, almost answered with 3.5 stuff
Saw at last minute that it was another system
And went, "Wait, I can't help!"
Woulda looked really bad if I'd not caught that >.>
ATM there doesn't seem to be much that is A. current and also B. within my realm of expertise. Wanted to ask about a potential question/topic, though
Before I just went and did it
Sometime tomorrow after I fight off the hangover I was wanting to ask how people establish atmosphere at their games, and if the system they're playing affects how they try to create that atmosphere.
Would that be appropriate? I mean, it seems essentially subjective
But techniques that work for others might just work for me/others too
 
@Lord_Gareth Necro'ing posts is perfectly acceptable, if your answer actually warrants it. The only time I've done it was on a question with an answer that was out of date due to a rules change.
 
@BESW - Waaaaaaay too much reading with this buzz. Can you re-link that to me when I'm on in the morning?
 
6:54 AM
I'm sure you can bookmark it.
 
Oh yeah!
Lemme do that now
 
And for completion's sake,
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A: Is it acceptable to resurrect old threads with new answers?

wax eagleAbsolutely. There are even badges for it. Necromancer, Revival, Excavator, Archaeologist all reward you for going back to old posts and doing something (necromancer and revival for answering and excavator and archaeologist for editing. If there isn't a good answer on an old question or you can...

 
Okay, @BrianBallsun-Stanton, the monk thread leapt to the top of my page for some reason and I just saw the list of comments after Noct's post. One of the comments contains a specific error of fact that I feel I could address politely. Is the correct solution to A. Leave a comment addressing it, B. Flag it or C. Do nothing?
 
@Lord_Gareth My own non-mod two cents say C.
Wait for it to actually be an issue rather than running out and planting a flag in a molehill.
 
Well, the trouble is this particular error of fact both relates to the question of "How do I optimize a monk," and is /bad/ for optimizing the monk because it doesn't work. It appeared in his main post, which has admittedly not been addressed for a variety of good reasons, but then in the comment it's described as 'foundational' to Monk op
Which puts it squarely in problematic territory.
 
7:02 AM
There are three possible outcomes of his proposed action.
A) He'll do research as he's finding citations (which he says he will do) and his next answer will be more accurate for it
B) He'll do research and fail to notice this, and his next answer will have issues *to be resolved at that time*
C) He moves on to a different venue --like a blog-- or disappears entirely.
Only in one of these cases is this going to be a problem, and there are systems in place for addressing it when that happens.
 
And what happens in the meantime if the OP reads it and takes it as gospel, or if another player does? The "FoB doesn't work with grapple," is a non-obvious problem, just like it not working with movement.
 
....That's what voting and constructive comments are for.
 
Well, the post is already downvoted
And I just asked if I should leave a constructive comment
To which you said 'probably not'
 
Your proposed comment is not about correcting the answer, it is about correcting an off-hand statement in a comment. That is not what comments are for.
This site is not concerned with providing immediate responses and shutdowns to inaccuracies. It is designed to facilitate a process by which good answers move to the top and bad answers sift downward.
Anyone who comes here looking for gospel truth and takes at face value an uncited, downvoted post has not been failed by you, nor by this site.
The whole thing's gonna get shut down in a few days anyway.
Heck, KRyan's post still has an inaccurate citation that I pointed out to him days ago.
 
Oh god. Went trawling through [Optimization] threads, found one on TWF ranger.
Sweet freaking zombies I just remembered why I generalyl don't give PF advise. These feats are downright /offensive/. Oh well, already started, must go on!
 
7:20 AM
Helloooooo sunk costs fallacy?
 
Is there a polite way to suggest that you might not want to give drunk answers on optimization posts for systems you have personal vendettas against?
 
I'm remaining perfectly polite and helpful, picking out feats that deal with problems TWF ends up having.
I have not gone on a rant about how rangers are bad at TWF
I'm attempting to help him take his concept and make it function.
 
Excellent.
 
SO MANY FEATS, SO FEW WORTH TAKING FOR ANY REASON >.< The next time someone tells me that Paizo giving classes more feats balances out the feats being weaker there will be Words
 
7:41 AM
@BESW - The post is acceptable, yes? I didn't accidentally come across as sarcastic or mean?
 
 
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9:08 AM
@Lord_Gareth Looks good! Lucid explanation trumps vehemence.
 
9:45 AM
@Lord_Gareth one of the comments contains an error of fact? Which one?
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton There's a mention of FoB / grapple / fighters /etc.
 
@BESW link please.
 
hooph. Okay, one moment.
This first post was to give readers a broad concept of what a monk is and what the class excels at. Ex) Most monks I've seen don't use grapple to increase their hit ratio with FOB because they've been told fighters are better at it or never realized the synergy of unarmed strikes and grapple. I'll be connecting the dots for how to build a monk in the next post. However, I want to give other players a chance to think how they can utilize concepts for themselves before giving them my version of the answers. The concepts I wrote are the foundation for building a monk. — Noctani 10 hours ago
I'm assuming that's what he's talking about, because I didn't see anything else that could possibly qualify.
 
Ah. Meeeh.
comments referring to comments are meh.
let him make his answer
Someone remind me when I'm back to take a look at it.
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Is that "he" Gareth?
 
9:58 AM
@BESW no, It's a let the answerer update his answer
 
@BrianBallsun-Stanton Okay, thought so.
 
Vi
10:58 AM
I was wondering, what do people think of the idea of the Wild Hunt Rider or Primordial Adept themes as choices for a Fey Hexblade? (I have already chosen my second level utility). Is there anything better I could be using for a character who is going to deal a lot of fire and ice damage?
 
Are you concerned with Bluff?
 
Vi
@BESW He already has quite a high bluff score but it couldn't hurt
 
Infernal Prince.
 
Vi
@BESW Really? Interesting choice.
 
+1 attack to fire powers!
 
Vi
11:01 AM
@BESW Cool
 
And a power that not only gives extra damage but also gives a penalty to attack you.
 
Vi
I mean, that thing that's the oposite of cool XD
 
...and the power isn't an attack, it's triggered by attacks, so you can't waste it.
 
Vi
@BESW That is good, and I did look at it, but he may end up
dealing a lot more ice than fire
 
You're not fey, are you?
 
Vi
11:04 AM
@BESW He is a fey pact Hex, yes
 
But you don't count as fey for race?
 
Vi
They deal slightly less damage but are way more mobile
Ummmm
 
Because Sarifal Feywarden....
If you can talk your GM into letting you qualify.
 
Vi
@BESW Is that powerful?
 
Sarifal's Blessing
You call for and receive a boon that shields you from harm and weakens your enemies.
Encounter Arcane, Aura, Primal
Minor Action Personal
Effect: Choose cold, fire, lightning, necrotic, or thunder. You activate an aura 2 that lasts until the end of your next turn. While in the aura, you and your allies gain resist 5 to the chosen damage type. Any enemy in the aura has vulnerable 5 to your attacks that deal the chosen damage type.
Level 11: The resistance and vulnerability increase to 10.
Two rounds of vulnerability of your choice would be great. That it's also defensive....
 
Vi
11:13 AM
@BESW Hmmm, that is good, especially as a minor action.....
I think I have that edition.....
 
DR 405.
 
Like "when I was at low levels nothing really dangerous happened to me. Now I can single-handedly defeat anything the DM puts on the table (with some effort and tactics) and I never died once since the beginning of the campaign. If there's something my character can't do (like solving puzzles) my background provides me an interesting way to say I don't care about these things. I'm only doing things I'm really good at and none I can automatically fail with a bad roll.
In other words I wish I was that good at writing backgrounds that match with my character's strenghts and weaknesses
@BESW Hello! XD
 
Hi.
And ummm. That's removing chance from the game. That your GMs allow this is yet another indication they aren't playing D&D.
I would never allow a character who didn't fear failure. They are BORING.
Well, I mean sure the personality can not know the fear of failure.
 
Well that character was a Cipher from planescape
 
But the character must mechanically have a non-trivial chance of failure. Otherwise it's just a Mary-Sue.
 
11:19 AM
She surely didn't know fear
 
(And in the bad sense.)
 
I like mary sues
 
I like watching at mary sues doing their mary sueisms
however the character can mechanically fail
it just is highly improbable
 
non-trivial
 
11:23 AM
like in "paladin of tiranny / hexblade / cleric with luck domain"
Oh yes he can roll two 1s on a row on a save
 
If failure is trivial, or trivially likely, the character ceases to be interesting and is a wish-fulfillment fantasy.
 
it's just 1/400 probability
you're telling me it's despicable to roleplay for wish-fulfillment fantasies?
 
Never said that.
I find them boring and pointless to interact with because they have no tension.
 
oh ok
my bad
 
I'm telling you I think it's boring for everyone else, if not also very frustrating.
 
11:26 AM
However my problems with that game are more of the social kind
maybe that's why I'm frustrated
but what if everyone is a mary sue?
 
Mary Sues in a D&D game are a symptom of major social dysfunction.
 
(but acts like she isn't and leaves space to the others?)
 
Obviously everyone isn't a Mary Sue in your game.
 
are you talking about combat, social PG interaction or the whole?
 
If everyone one was, and was happy and safe, I'd think it was the most boring game I ever heard of and I'd walk away and wish everyone the best.
 
11:28 AM
Now I'll be making a pair of phone calls, brb
Here I am
I think that without seeing how it works it's really hard to understand how that game works, but I can have you see what happens and why such things happen - if you're interested
 
Vi
@BESW The Sayfel warden seems pretty decent, although the second level utility is basically useless unless you are really evil and want to set off a trap at range.... :P
Which, I supose, is fine since I have his utility for that level sorted out
 
@Vi I thought you already chose your 2nd-level utility.
 
Vi
Thematically it's good (though Demonic Prince would be better)
 
I'm evaluating them based on the stuff you get without trading out class powers.
 
Vi
@BESW Yeah, I do have that utility so I'm 0k in that respect
 
11:37 AM
The Warden's power is very useful. It can be tailored to most attacks the party might be making, or it can be used defensively.
 
Vi
@BESW Though if there was a better one than wall walk I'd be all over it.
Yeah, it seems really powerful if you think tactics
 
At the very least, it's a +5 damage bonus on a couple attacks.
But it can also be a -5 from all damage taken by the entire party from two rounds of AoE.
 
Vi
@BESW Yeah.
@BESW Are there any others though, just while we're looking
 
Well, sure. You could be a Pack Outcast and at level 5 cause everyone adjacent to you to grant CA to all your allies also adjacent to them.
(And turn into a wolf at-will)
 
Vi
@BESW That would defiantly be handy, although he is already a kind-of fuzzy jungle cat-person monkey thing.
It's an odd game. XD
@BESW I think for this the Wardan would be better, unless a CA trumps a resist 5\weak 5
 
Rob
11:50 AM
Ey up. Any mods?
Never mind; not that important :)
 
Sorry, my mod-summoning powers are only activated by cheese.
 
Rob
Mmmmm cheese
A nice lip smacking tangy cheddar
 
The last cheddar I bought had tiny little holes in it, like it'd been carbonated.
It made a funny noise when I cut it.
 
Rob
Farting cheddar?
 
Funny strange, not funny ha-ha.
 
Rob
12:01 PM
Ahhh ah
 
Vi
@BESW Ok, thanks for all your help, I think Fey Warden is actually the best choice for me, although the fifth level ritual sounds rather like "Summon annoying but impotent pest". XD
 
XD
 
Rob
Here's a 3.5/PF question; I keep seeing people saying (in Wizard guides) that familiars give +4 initiative; I can't find that anywhere except as one familiar's skill bonus - is that the reason?
 
@Vi You'll find it useful, I'm sure.
 
Rob
(In case anyone knows so I don't have to ask out loud)
 
Vi
12:05 PM
@BESW Probably but it says something that the first thing that popped into my head is that this is basically a way to sick Navi on someone. and have them wander around behind them for a month....
God, on second thoughts, this is the most powerful spell in the game.
XD
It's only weakness is dispel magic, but they don't know that.... XD
 
@rob they have aa hummingbird familiar
@rob and it's the only one familiar worth taking
 
Rob
12:26 PM
@Zachiel All the nectar collection you could want!
 
12:38 PM
@Rob <insert obscure "Let me ask my bees" joke here>
 
Rob
Bees? Bees? Where
 
Familiar: pesky little creature that hurts you when it dies and can't be replaced for one year.
 
Vi
@Zachiel Yeah, they are basically a pet linked to your health
 
[snuggles 4e familiars]
 
Vi
@BESW Yeah, in 3.5e they actually did worse crap than hit you with damage
 
Rob
12:48 PM
Well there's always the "get them to use wands" argument and whatnot, I quite like them from an RP point of view, but don't know about actually having one
 
Vi
Con loss, if I remember
 
I remember. Vividly.
XP loss is what I recall.
 
Vi
@Rob God, a monkey with a wand of fireball
 
Because sure, let's make character advancement a currency.
2
 
Vi
@BESW Nothing can go wrong when monkeys get wands X3
2
 
12:49 PM
@Vi Especially if people need to make UMD checks to stop them blowing up.
 
Vi
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we houserulled that 3.5e familiars were more along the lines of summoned pets
@SimonGill I have a great idea that involves letting them carry all your alchemist's fire as well XD
 
@Vi Hmmm.... monkey with a backpack. Could never wrong.
 
And then there was the time where I said "I can go in a shop, buy the familiar I want and make the familiar bonding ritual on it right?" and my DM said "no aquatic familiars if you're not an aquatic race."
 
Vi
@SimonGill Familiars are mostly there for causing mayhem, I think XD
 
(I was optimizing escape artist checks)
@Vi Familiars are there for "wizards had familiars so our game must have rules for familiars"
 
Rob
12:59 PM
@Vi Yep; what can go wrong? :)
Flying familiars dropping tanglefoot bags and greek fire...
 

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