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12:10 AM

Hi again, I just found extremely disturbing answer pets.stackexchange.com/a/21621 that contains potentially harmful claim that Tylenol (acetaminophen/paracetamol) is supposedly used in DIY dog euthanasia; this is horribly disturbing, disgusting and cruel for the reasons mentioned in my comment under that answer. My question is, do we want to do something with this?

12:23 AM

I mean, I know this answer just mentions it and does not advise it, but still I am just afraid such information presented in this answer could potentially give dumb people some horribly dumb ideas.

Journeyman Geek

12:38 AM

@lila "DIY euthanesia" isn't the sort of advice we want to give

The "howtoeuthanize.club" link is broken

tynol/ace.. however its spelled isn't safe for dogs or cats

or humans in larger doses

psubsee2003's answer covers that

Deleted, thanks, deleting it was what I wanted to do but I just needed a "green light" from someone else.

In case someone with less reputation than threshold needed to see deleted posts I am including my comment why it was horribly disturbing:

Information present in this answer is deeply disturbing; Tylenol (acetaminophen, also known as paracetamol) would be a horribly cruel method of euthanasia because fatal overdose results in lengthy and painful illness that could last for DAYS before death finally occurs. Acetaminophen overdose does NOT result in falling asleep nor losing consciousness, it instead causes hyperacute liver failure and is horribly painful. More information: en.wikipedia.org/w…

Journeyman Geek

@lila We believe in you :D

As a mod, caution is good, but you're a mod because the community trusts in you to make that decision

(also dang, shoulda taken the free flagging opportunity :D )

1:04 AM

...Is that a thing? Ugh.

Vet relative says that dogs aren't really any more sensitive to Tylenol than humans are - enough of it will cause liver failure, sure, but the same goes for humans.

It's lethal to cats, though, not dogs. A single extra-strength can kill a cat.

Someone probably read something about it killing cats and misremembered it as dogs, or something.

1:25 AM

Oh exactly, that is why it was disgusting; yes you vet relative is right, cats are unable to metabolize acetaminophen and it is never used in cats, it is used in dogs but only under careful veterinarian supervision. I know that this brand Tylenol exists in some "PM" version (PM meaning "taken at evening" in this context) that not only alleviates ...

...pain but also helps to fall asleep; I assume that people watched too much movies and think that overdosing would cause unconsciousness and peaceful passing away; however, it is not true and it is not even acetaminophen who is responsible for sleepiness. In Tylenol PM there is second ingredient added and this ingredient is far too weak to cause unconsciousness. Acetaminophen on itself does not have any psychoactive effects ...

1:40 AM

...and overdosing is a slow, painful and horrible way to go because it causes the victim to stay conscious most of the time.

@JourneymanGeek oh thanks!

@JourneymanGeek In some cases - yes, but I do not want to go too feral in my actions; deleting an answer is quite serious and I feel more assured to rather think that it is the community who makes decision and then just wants me to execute its decision.

Journeyman Geek

@Sarov you die slowly and painfully. Which is the opposite of what most want

@lila you're also in a sense the community's voice...

And liver

haha thanks :D

...I guess mods kind of are livers, aren't they?

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Journeyman Geek

1:56 AM

😅

Journeyman Geek

2:21 AM

@Sarov I've done this long enough to know :D

1 hour later…

3:43 AM

Does that mean if we take away part of you both parts will regrow and we'll have twice as many mods? :O

Journeyman Geek

You're confusing us with starfish

or timelords

1 hour later…

4:46 AM

You mean you're not?

Journeyman Geek

Last time I checked, I had one heart and no psudopods

9 hours later…

1:27 PM

Wait how did you check your number of hearts?

Journeyman Geek

And yet you do not question the lack of psudopods...

Curious

Well, I assume you're not a Unix programmer.

AFAIK only they have sudopods.

2:15 PM

My life is a lie.

hi

Basically yes, in humans as little as 1/4 of liver is capable of growing back into the whole liver, but it is not a true senso stricto regeneration because only the mass is regenerated and not the original liver shape; simpler organisms like zebrafish danio could truly regenerate liver: both mass and shape.

So we'd have different mods, then. Hmm.

Haha not really different, just clones of existing ones.

2:38 PM

Oh, well, that's okay then.

@lila thanks for always being on top of those measurement conversions :) (and adding the degree symbol, I never did learn how to do that!)

@AllisonC Haha you are welcome, I will share my little secret with you, I always just websearch "degree symbol" in search engine and copy it :D or, if I have some conversion to do I type "60 f to c" and degree symbols pop up within the solutions :D

@lila hahhah, perfect solution! :D

I have to admit something and I am not proud of it but it is better to be honest; I happily add conversions if the post features only imperial units, but if it is the other way around and it only features my familiar metric units then I pretend I don't see that :D a p o l o g i e s.

Journeyman Geek

@Sarov Seems to be dire

2:52 PM

@lila No need to apologize - down with Imperial Scum!

@Sarov I will defend my imperial units to the DEATH! (Maybe not that far...)

Everyone knows everything Imperial is evil! All the movies say so!

That's just slander against my miles and gallons!

Oh no, I realized I just missed such a good opportunity to make a perfect joke ;_; I could have said that to type ° symbol, you just need to press the o letter but you have to press it really super gently and you have to be really precise; or that there is a second "caps lock" hidden underneath each computer and you need to untoggle it to make letters even smaller, then you press o :D

Haha in the edit description, while I am typing "adding metric units [...]" I sometimes smugly whisper "adding NORMAL units" :D

My father sometimes refers to any big-volume plastic containers as "gallons".

@AllisonC Lies and slander! That's not slander, it's libel!

3:04 PM

@lila Normal's really just a matter of perspective. Where I am, metric's the weird system. :)

@Sarov Defend the inches!

Your days are metered!

(Okay technically 'metered' has nothing to do with Imperial/Metric because the root word is meter, not metre, but shhh)

@lila Though I do have at least some understanding on linear measurements in metric; I have a bunch of art dolls that are all measured in cm (though for some reason, wigs are all in inches...), and my embroidery hoops are all in mm so I have to convert back and forth when buying designs.

Journeyman Geek

Your meters are dated!

@Sarov Never! You may take my voice, but you may never take my ounces!

Your ounces will be Kil-o-grammed!

3:37 PM

@lila Well, at least on my keyboard there's a ° key... If I press it very gently, it writes nothing at all. If i press it again, it writes ^^ (not a lie, that's actually what happens). And combined with shift it writes °

@Elmy Haha really :D but I believe you because on mine there is the "wave" symbol that normally writes ` backtick, but with shift it types: at first press nothing, at second press ~~ and long time ago I was always wondering "what a coincidence, ALL the computers I interact with have the same malfunction!" :D

@AllisonC haha I know :D

@lila Yeah, we have that ~ thingy, too, but it's on the third "level" of the key (key only -> shift + key -> Alt Gr + key). All the important brackets for programming are also hidden in that third level because they had to squeeze German umlauts in somewhere. It's really annoying.

4:32 PM

Has anyone some experience with treating wounds „wet“? (No idea what the correct English term is.)

It‘s become more and more the standard approach for humans and works great for scraped knees etc.

Now I‘m wondering whether it’s feasible for the canine, and if so, how I‘d best go about it.

4:48 PM

@Stephie I honestly don't know if it's feasible at home. You'd need plasters with a special gel-like coating and not only be careful not to breed infection in the wound, but also that the gel doesn't dry out, since the fur keeps it from making skin contact. Rubbing oil on the would is probably easier and has a slighter, but similar effect.

5:03 PM

Hm. Maybe one of the gels? I know that the plasters are probably difficult, with the fur and all. After three days with iodine, I see no hint of infection, so no worries there. But also no scab formation, which lead me to thinking about the „wet treatment“.

5:14 PM

@Stephie Now I'm curious what the English term is.

@Sarov see Wikipedia for a start:

Hydrocolloid dressing

A hydrocolloid dressing is an opaque or transparent dressing for wounds. A hydrocolloid dressing is biodegradeable, breathable, and adheres to the skin, so no separate taping is needed. The active surface of the dressing is coated with a cross-linked adhesive mass containing a dispersion of gelatin, pectin and carboxymethyl cellulose together with other polymers and adhesives forming a flexible wafer. In contact with wound exudate, the polysaccharides and other polymers absorb water and swell, forming a gel. The gel may be designed to drain, or to remain within the structure of the adhesive matrix...

5:30 PM

In stores, "Gel bandage." (Or "Hydrocolloid gel bandage," but most people are probably going to look for just "gel bandage.") At least in the US, anyway.

Huh. Never seen these before.

@Sarov Really cool product. Stays on the wound and the new skin forms in the humid environment. Skipping the scab-scratch-bleed-scab cycle.

Worked brilliantly with minor 1.

That’s the child that taught me to always have a well-stocked first aid box. Including various bandages, butterfly stitches and gel plasters. Unless it’s life-threatening or needs surgery, I can probably handle it...

5:52 PM

Headcanon says that you literally named your kid "minor 1".

6:18 PM

@Sarov Here I see them mostly marketed toward treating minor burns, but I'll need to keep them in mind for other uses

6:41 PM

@lila Similar to mine, when I press shift and the comma key to get quotations (""), nothing happens until I press space...

7:30 PM

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Q: Why are CO₂ diffusors supposed to be located far from water movement?

My Dennerle Profi-Line CO2 Diffusor recommends to place it far from water movement, e.g. the filter output, but when I put it there I see that the fine CO2 bubbles which take about 15 seconds to rise to the water surface, where a part of them still isn't dissolved completely in the water, are pus...

aquarium water-parameters equipment

@lila What brought the necromancy?

@Sarov I do not remember how exactly it happened but yesterday I want looking through various questions, mostly old ones and related ones about fish and aquariums, I found this one and it immediately struck me as interesting, I noticed it was deleted by automatic process because it had 0 score and no answers, so I asked the author whether I can undelete this and author agreed so I undeleted this.

And since it is not newly posted, it will not get any air time in the Litter Box TV via feeds nor ever enter HNQ TV, so at least let's manually feature it in Litter Box TV.

I see.

Sidenote - I hate the word 'necromancy'. The 'mancy' suffix means divination! "Real" necromancy is, like, looking at intestines to divine the future, not raising the dead.

Raising the dead would be, like, necrourgy or something.

7:54 PM

@Sarov I believe that the original meaning of the word got twisted by popculture, originally it meant divination that was supposedly done via communication with the dead - these acts were supposedly bringing back the spirits of the deceased and it was these spirits that were communicating with you and telling you the future via patterns in coffee grounds (you are looking at the coffee grounds to tell the future, but you are doing so at midnight on the necropolis). Later, the meaning got ...

@Sarov ...twisted and it gave up the "communication" and divination part, but instead focused just on the fact of bringing back the dead, and to make it more "cinematic" it was not about summoning spirits of the deceased, but instead animating corpses.

Yeah, stuff like that is always how it goes, innit?
Still. I reserve the right to complain!

@Sarov Okay sorry I didn't get you provided the example better than my example of coffee grounds; yes, you are looking at intestines to divine the future, but it is not you who is telling the future: looking at intestines is supposedly the method of communication with the deceased "owner" of these intestines, and it is the deceased owner who tells you the future. And logically, the owner must have been brought back from the dead to be able to communicate with you, hence "necromancy" was...

...a thing.

@Sarov Haha yes, I guess we could just consider it to be a misnomer at this point, like Singapore.

...Singapore?

That's a proper noun, innit? How could it be a misnomer?

@Sarov Singapore means roughly "lion city" because the people who named it believed they were seeing lions in that place, but they were in fact seeing tigers and not lions; but the name meaning "lion city" stays until todays.

8:10 PM

Huh. I see.

@Sarov And yes it could be a misnomer, for example peanut is a misnomer because peanuts botanically are legumes (like peas, beans, etc.) and not nuts.

What really gets me is the way peanuts grow.

The peanut plant has roots, stem, branches, and leaves, like a regular plant. But then there are strands connected to the branches that lead back underground, where the peanuts grow.

@lila or strawberries. Not a berry.

(a banana, however, IS a berry.)

8:26 PM

And wheat is fruit.

And then of course there is preview.redd.it/…

We like to be different :)

Hahaha. English is certainly 'different' alright.

“English is not a language, it’s three languages wearing a trench coat pretending to be one.” – Gugulethu Mhlungu

English is my first language.... and I even get confused about some things

pages.hep.wisc.edu/~jnb/charivarius.html

8:31 PM

@AllisonC Let's see, Latin, Greek, and what?

@Nai54 there's Germanic roots back in there too

I studied Latin as a minor in college, and touched on Greek, but never the Germanic parts

Germanic, romanic and gaelic?

Could count that way, if you roll the romanic and grecian influences together. The Romans did really like stealing language from the Greeks long before English evolved, after all.

(Really, it just steals from just about every language, some just more than others.)

Some of The Chaos only makes sense in ~~real~~ non-American English.

Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants.
Hoist, in lieu of flags, left pennants.

Tomato-tomato...

8:39 PM

No one says tomato! Only tomato.

I endure so much crappy English at work, it makes me afraid.

Yeah we work with a *lot* of ESLs here.
The only time I ever really had a problem with it, though, is when we had a BA who gave me a document to go over, I spent like an hour fixing all her mistakes, and then she just said "I prefer my version" and reverted it.
I stopped helping her after that.

Gahhhh...

Worst are the colleagues that speak German, only with English words.

When listening, I sometimes silently translate into German to decipher what exactly they wanted to say.

Hahaha. At least you can do so. I only speak English. I don't have the advantage of knowing the language they're thinking in when saying engrish.

Quote one of the top managers (no joke): “A hardly (sic) welcome from my side.”

False friend stabbing him in the back...

8:52 PM

Uhm. What was he trying to say?

@Sarov I just have one "tricky" ESL colleague. Most of the time it's okay, but periodically we'll all encounter something where we ask each other "What is she trying to say here?"

But, my workday has ended and the cats are loudly demanding food, so have a great rest of your day, everyone :)

Funnily enough, my coworker with the worst English... for a while her son also worked with us. A couple times I tried asked him what she was talking about... but he didn't know either! XD

@AllisonC You too! Bye :D

G'day.

@Sarov “I also welcome you...” The “from my side” is a German phrase that shouldn’t appear and the “hardly” a very common mistake instead of the intended “heartfelt” or “cordially”.

9:01 PM

I see. Oof.

One day I caught myself absentmindedly tacking the infamous “from my side” to a sentence. That was a nasty wake-up call.

@Sarov Haha no it is not that different, in my native language tomatoes are also referred to as vegetables (tomato is a fruit).

@lila We were talking about the pineapple thing, there.

oh ok sorry I did not click the link before

@Stephie "From my side" isn't actually that bad. It's not that common, sure, but still used even by native speakers. Like, "There was no hostility from my side" to mean "I don't know whether they were trying to be hostile or not, but I wasn't".

@lila Intelligence is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. Charisma is selling someone a tomato-fruit-salad.

9:14 PM

Absolutely - but not in the way I hear it on a daily basis. It’s not intended in the perspective / position sense, it’s an attempt of saying “me too”, be it a greeting or an indication of being done with speaking. I double checked with some native speakers, just because I started doubting myself.

And so “That’s it from my side.” and “Good morning from my side.” have made it on the very unofficial bullshit bingo cards at the office.

Ahsee.

“That’s it from my side” isn't that odd. Personally I often say either "That's it from me" or "That's it on my end" to indicate I'm done.

“Good morning from my side.” is weird.

In that vein - good night from my side :-P

Night.

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