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00:38

AMiller42 pushed a commit to Vyxal/version-3 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Catch regex exceptions

Aaroneous Miller

01:12

@lyxal I was looking closer at the different add* functions, and I realized something. The addNilad function passes ctx to the function, so any addDirects with arity 0 or None should be able to be redefined as addNilads instead. Some of the elements that I assumed were addDirects already do so, and I tested it with #?, and it seems to work without issue.

lyxal

there was a weird issue where it wasn't retrieving the inputs properly

Aaroneous Miller

I'll test it more in-depth, just to be on the safe side

Aaroneous Miller

01:25

Are lambda varargs supposed to be passed as a list of values? According to how it's described in the tour, it sounds like it's supposed to push them as separate values. Try it Online!

lyxal

that's a bug

they should be individual

Vyxal Bot

01:52

AMiller42 pushed a commit to Vyxal/version-3 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Fix lambda varargs

AMiller42 pushed a commit to Vyxal/input-count-digraphs in Vyxal/Vyxal: Add input- and parameter-count digraphs

AMiller42 created branch input-count-digraphs in Vyxal/Vyxal

AMiller42 opened pull request #2023 (Add input- and parameter-count digraphs) in Vyxal/Vyxal

github-actions[bot] pushed a commit to Vyxal/input-count-digraphs in Vyxal/Vyxal: Refresh element and/or trigraph docs from recent commit

Aaroneous Miller

tests failed because they were written for the bugged varargs smh

Vyxal Bot

02:08

AMiller42 pushed a commit to Vyxal/version-3 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Update tests

Bridget

03:12

@AaroneousMiller [user] Lol

[user] Love when there's a bug in the tests

lyxal

10:04

VB is gone again

Bridget

[lyxal ♦️] Doesn't seem to be

lyxal

Oh no it sent that one

lyxal

12:32

mfw 2 + 2 = 5

Bridget

[user] How

lyxal

#~+@a,b|λ5}

:p

Ginger

me when VB is dead

...AGAIN

ffs

at least you're able to restart, Bridget

Bridget

@lyxal [user] Oh thank god something isn't horribly broken

[lyxal ♦️] :p

[lyxal ♦️] me when I redefine + to always return 5

[user] Monkey business

Ginger

self-modifying Vyxal :O

lyxal

12:46

you act like this wasn't what I was talking about in #language-showcase in the code golf discord

Ginger

I wasn't really sure what you meant then :p

when will this be a feature

lyxal

if the bot was alive, you'd know it already is :p

Ginger

me when the bot

oop, there goes Bridget

Bridget

[user] It's not self mosifying code really, it's just monkey patching

lyxal

i mean sure it's still on a branch, yet to be put in main

but it's live for testing

@Bridget and eventually extension methods

Ginger

12:48

so this isn't an experimental thing?

Bridget

[user] Nice nice

[user] It's experimental rn

lyxal

@Ginger right now, yes

Ginger

but like we won't be locking it behind a flag when it releases

lyxal

correct

mainstream features :glasses:

Bridget

[lyxal ♦️] that's...not the emoji i was expecting :p

[lyxal ♦️] 😎

lyxal

12:50

anyhow, custom modifiers currently have a nasty issue of putting the cart before the horse

as in, when doing the binding of things to modifiers, the using the modifier part comes before the defining part

which isn't very good

perhaps this needs to be a postfix modifier

syntax thing more accurately

λ5}#~+@a,b

instead

I can sort of see that work

anyhow, canonical example of the problem is this:

 #~ dip*f|λ!|#=top#$fĖ#$top} 1 2 3 #⸠dip + W

#⸠dip + attempts to bind before the #~dip*f definition has a chance to grab the lambda

meaning that the impl attribute at binding is None

this is so I don't forget the problem tomorrow

Ginger

13:32

lemme restart VB real quik

Vyxal Bot

Well, here we are again.

Ginger

boutta add a thing to theseus

which you will either love or hate

Vyxal Bot

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to vyxal.github.io/theseus in Vyxal/vyxal.github.io: PWA improvements

Ginger

(that's not the thing)

Vyxal Bot

14:17

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to vyxal.github.io/theseus in Vyxal/vyxal.github.io: Add seasonal decorations

Ginger

that's the thing :p

@lyxal your feedback on the above would be appreciated; I've intentionally left it disabled by default because I'm not sure how annoying it is

Bridget

15:22

[user] I haven't tested locally but it seems harmless enough

[user] Also, what're the bi and bi-snow classes for?

Ginger

@Bridget ~~bisexual snow, duh~~

they're for Bootstrap Icons

Vyxal Bot

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to vyxal.github.io/theseus in Vyxal/vyxal.github.io: PWA logo changes + favicon

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to vyxal.github.io/theseus in Vyxal/vyxal.github.io: Banish old favicon plugin

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to vyxal.github.io/theseus in Vyxal/vyxal.github.io: Remove vscode files

Vyxal Bot

16:17

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to Vyxal/version-3 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Add symbols to modifier/syntax datagen for theseus

Bridget

16:44

@Ginger [user] This implies snow has sexes

Ginger

cursed sentence

Bridget

[user] Which means there are snow babies?

[user] Oh god when I sprinkle salt outside am I committing genocide?

Ginger

wtf

Bridget

[user] Killing poor little snow babies by melting them

Ginger

17:18

Rydwolf doesn't like the theme color

he also said that I probably didn't need to rewrite the whole thing, which he might be right about

the new one has twice the loading time, but I don't know if it justifies that with new features...

Bridget

@Ginger [user] Steffan would definitely agree lol

[user] I still don't get why you had to redo the whole thing

Ginger

Steffan wrote the old one, so he's biased :p

I didn't really

Bridget

[user] You could've just updated it to use the new CM version

Ginger

all of this could've been accomplished with a cleanup of the old one...

Bridget

@Ginger [user] I mean yeah that's why I mentioned him

Ginger

17:30

so have I just been wasting my time for the last two weeks?

thanks chat

Bridget

[user] Oh well we all go "this sucks so I'll go burn it to the ground and build it up again, but better, with blackjack and hookers" once in a while

[user] And by once in a while I mean every single time we see a new project (or me, at least)

Ginger

blackjack and hookers confirmed for 3.3.0 ⁉️

Bridget

[user] \:p

@Ginger [user] Oh no

@Ginger [user] I assume it's been educational

Ginger

yes, actually

I learned how to use React

Bridget

[user] Well not wasted then

@Ginger [user] Oh time wasted then

Ginger

17:33

>:(

Bridget

[user] React 🤮

[user] React more like React

Ginger

so the question becomes: do I cut my losses with Theseus and attempt to clean up the old one or press forward and hope something good will come of it

@lyxal whar do you think

Ginger

18:27

unfortunately, a bug in webpack means that service workers will not work with the config we need for theseus

I have thus disabled our worker and the PWA features until they fix the bug, which I have reported here

Vyxal Bot

18:42

Well, here we are again.

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to vyxal.github.io/theseus in Vyxal/vyxal.github.io: Disabled precaching (we don't need it)

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to vyxal.github.io/theseus in Vyxal/vyxal.github.io: Added symbols to modifiers

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to vyxal.github.io/theseus in Vyxal/vyxal.github.io: Change primary theme color

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to vyxal.github.io/theseus in Vyxal/vyxal.github.io: Removed old SW update notif, disabled SW until webpack/webpack#17870 is fixed

Well, here we are again.

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to VyxalBot2/main in Vyxal/VyxalBot2: Updated sechat

Ginger

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@Ginger I am trying to convince the Grinch to join our Secret Santa exchange. So far, he's only interested in stealing the gifts.

Ginger

that seems rather futile, but ok

I have a suspicion that sechat's packet timeout is too low and chat's closing sockets because of all the reconnect requests, so I've increased it to 5 minutes

Vyxal Bot

19:05

GingerIndustries pushed a commit to VyxalBot2/main in Vyxal/VyxalBot2: Add GH error logging to files

Well, here we are again.

Bridget

19:17

[user] Sucks when the bug's someone else's fault

Ginger

@Bridget ikr

Ginger

19:29

@lyxal (once you're back) the EBNF grammars in the docs folder seem to be inaccurate, or at least incomplete

Bridget

[user] Incomplete, yes

Ginger

21:30

well, VB died again

so. yeah

I'm patching sechat to retry requests tomorrow

and bridget just died too

Bridget

[that mac] rip streak

Ginger

nah, Bridget's probably restarted dozens of times

it's just that it doesn't lock up when an error happens like VB does

Vyxal Bot

Well, here we are again.

Ginger

see, Bridget just crashed again

this is pretty counterproductive

Vyxal Bot is temporarily offline due to issues connecting to chat

lyxal

22:14

@Ginger one thing I've really been trying to do this year is to resist the urge to rewrite from scratch where possible (some things do need rewriting sometimes, but mostly they don't). It's good developer practice to learn the existing code base and clean it up before completely abandoning it.

So I'd recommend trying a clean up of the old site

Ginger

:despair:

lyxal

Not that cleaning up means strictly sticking to the old design

Ginger

but I won't have React to lean on :(

lyxal

There's room for adding new things, changing existing things without completely throwing out the code base

@Ginger Facebook/meta bad anyway

Ginger

I'll have to directly manipulate the DOM tho

which suuuuuuuuuucks

I just don't want to throw away the two weeks of work I did on the new one

lyxal

22:17

I too had to throw away a week or so of work on the Vue website

But it was worth it

Ginger

:(

lyxal

And it doesn't have to be fully discarded either

It can be temporarily put on the back burner to be resumed once that bug is fixed with webpack

It could even be hosted as an alternative site like how shaggy made a cloned Japt interpreter

Ginger

the only thing I can realistically reuse from the old one is the Vyxal CM extension

@lyxal fwiw, the bug isn't a showstopper

it just means no PWA

lyxal

PWA?

Ginger

(or at least PWA will become much harder)

@lyxal progressive web application

lyxal

22:19

PwthonAnywhere?

Ginger

Vyxal It Offline!

lyxal

Offline usage is why there's a jar file:p

Ginger

but whar if chromebook or mobile

lyxal

Why are you code golfing offline?

Ginger

a good point

I'm lazy and don't want to clean up the old one, because that's another week of work right there

but it's probably the right thing to do

lyxal

22:22

Also, is it possible to run Linux binaries on a chrome book?

Ginger

yes, if it's enabled

lyxal

Native binaries exist for offline usage

Ginger

mmm

lyxal

And offline usage on mobile sounds like a painful situation that doesn't need to be considered

Ginger

okay, we can just leave the PWA code disabled indefinitely

if it's not used it won't be included in the final code

Aaroneous Miller

22:24

wait why are we debating scrapping theseus

lyxal

@Ginger correct

PWA isn't important

Ginger

we're debating if it'd be better to clean up the old one instead

lyxal

@AaroneousMiller we're not anymore

Aaroneous Miller

...isn't it already done tho?

Ginger

@AaroneousMiller theseus is not done

Aaroneous Miller

22:26

oh

Ginger

it's usable, but it's still missing stuff like literate support

Aaroneous Miller

gotcha

Ginger

it's more feature-complete than the old one, however

which I don't believe even has syntax highlighting yet

@lyxal probably for the best tbh, it was annoying to mess with

so, what do I do? you're the boss :p

actually no, it's unfair to place the burden on you

Aaroneous Miller

I don't know why people were complaining about the color scheme, I think it's nice

Ginger

I personally want to continue work on theseus, since it's more functional as of now than the old one

@AaroneousMiller I did too, but I think it does look a bit nicer with the ATO blue

lyxal

22:49

@Ginger keep with thesus and get it finished

Ginger

sure sucks not having the bot :(

lyxal

@Ginger compromise: customisable colour

Ginger

vyxal bot my beloved, come back to me

@lyxal 👍

lyxal

For example, I'd prefer some form of green (actually, not some form,, specifically beedab) , but other people have indicated that blue is better

Ginger

@lyxal this isn't really easy to do, unfortunately

I can maaaaaaybe have a list of colors

but the theme color is hardcoded into the Sass and inlined during compilation

Bridget

22:51

[lyxal ♦️] Css can be overwritten though

Ginger

oh boy I sure love Bridget repeatedly crashing because of this damn chat issue

Bridget

[lyxal ♦️] I'd also be fine with a list of predefined themes and allowing the user to set individual colours invidiually

Ginger

whY is this a thing

Vyxal Bot

Well, here we are again.

Ginger

okay, let's see if this works

I've made sechat repeatedly retry requests if a connection error occurs

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

22:59

@Ginger I am experimenting with peppermint flavors. Note to self: candy cane pasta was not a hit.

Ginger

what

that doesn't make any sense

lyxaaaaaaal!

lyxal

Candy cane pasta flavoured Peppermint

Ginger

oh.

ah, that reminds me: Rydwolf brought up another thing too

the output

people may want to be able to do things like copy the output as a list of charcodes

lyxal

O exists

It converts a string to codepoints before printing

Element O that is

Ginger

actually, people may just want to be able to copy the output

which is currently not a thing

lyxal

23:03

Well yes that's something you should implement yes

Ginger

also, did you see my earlier ping about the EBNF files?

lyxal

Even the old site has that

@Ginger I did, but I haven't had a chance to properly sit down at my computer and inspect the thing

Ginger

ah, good

I can do copying in a few ways:
- button somewhere in the UI
- clickable link in the terminal itself

(other people here, you are also welcome to give feedback :b)

option 1 is simpler, but option 2 is cooler 😎

!!/make me a cookie

Vyxal Bot

Here you go: 🍪

Ginger

delicious

lyxal

23:10

Option 1 sounds consistent

Aaroneous Miller

~~option 3, just make them hand copy it~~

Bridget

[Ginger] actually, I know where

[Ginger] I'm already planning to add a tab strip for HTML output and such; it'd be easy to put a button on the end

@AaroneousMiller [Ginger] this is always a possibility too d:

[Ginger] hey uh lyxal you good?

[Ginger] ooh, didn't v2 have a canvas output thingy?

lyxal

@Bridget I'm in NSW

@Ginger looks like I won't be able to inspect this until tonight. Family outings go brrr

Ginger

@lyxal good 👍

@lyxal happens to all of us

lyxal

@Ginger for reference Queensland is up north of where I am

Ginger

23:22

~~tell your family I say hi~~

lyxal

Cairns even further up north

Queensland is known to be a tropics place

Ginger

wait, Bridget's ratelimit triggered???

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@Ginger I am overseeing the elves' productivity. Turns out, they're unionizing for shorter workdays.

Ginger

phew

Bridget

[Ginger] beep boop still going

Ginger

23:27

ah, I know why the ratelimit triggered: delay from retrying a message send

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