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Ginger

01:44

!!/status exciting

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lyxal

!!/status cryptic

Vyxal Bot

Sorry lyxal, I'm afraid I can't do that.

lyxal

feel like that should be a feature

Jacob

!!/help status

Vyxal Bot

01:45

@Jacob !!/status: I will tell you what I'm doing (maybe). If you don't have a sense of humor and/or are a bot developer, run !!/status boring for actual status information.

Jacob

hm

lyxal

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal I am doing things like inventing a new type of transportation that can travel underwater and through space

Jacob

!!/status sleepy

Vyxal Bot

Sorry Jacob, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Jacob

01:46

zzzzzzz

lyxal

!!/open issue in VyxalBot2 More status variations Status <sleepy|cryptic|goofy|...>

Vyxal Bot

Sorry lyxal, I'm afraid I can't do that.

lyxal

!!/issue open in VyxalBot2 More status variations Status <sleepy|cryptic|goofy|...>

Vyxal Bot

vyxal-bot[bot] opened issue #17 (More status variations) in Vyxal/VyxalBot2

lyxal

good

Jacob

01:48

we need status tingly which puts those asterisks and italics and adds uwu or smth

bot statsaku; onlonichan

hyper-neutrino

02:01

no

we really don't

Ginger

yes we do

lyxal

02:17

@hyper-neutrino now that you're here (but probably gone again) would you be able to see if I've implemented SSS and the compressor correctly?

hyper-neutrino

sure

ngl i don't know what sss stands for lol all I know is the jelly compress function is named that for some reason

Smart String Scompression?

lyxal

Silly sock Sunday

github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal/pull/1646

That's the code

def compressString and def SSS are the relevant functions

hyper-neutrino

time to review LongDictionary.txt and ShortDictionary.txt line-by-line

lyxal

I think I used the 5 list intersection word list

With words starting with non-letters filtered out

Seggan

@hyper-neutrino probably from compressString

Unrelated String

02:44

honestly that sounds in character

@Ginger we really don't

user

@Jacob we will be fowced to muwdew you if you do this uwu

lyxal

Jesse what the f*ck are you talking about

user

Oh wait you're Jacob not Ginger

@lyxal I can condone a bot that does people without their consent, but I draw the line at a bot that uwufies its messages

Unrelated String

oh

in The Nineteenth Byte, Mar 11, 2018 at 16:17, by Dennis

I think it was Short String Shortener.

lyxal

08:37

in The Nineteenth Byte, 5 mins ago, by mousetail

Stack length is kind of useless in a practlang unless you have a way to isolate separate stacks. Since it can't be used in functions. It's only useful for very short bits of code but can greatly simplify those

Y'all need to stop talking about things like this in TNB

It just keeps giving me somewhat bad ideas

Relevant idea: modifier that applies an element to a higher context based on how many modifiers of that type you have

So ©f applies f on the values of the context one up, ©©f two and so on

It wouldn't pop from upper stacks I don't think just peek

©<number>f applies f to number contexts up

A neat side effect would be that ©n allows retrieval of the context variables of outer contexts

Hey maybe this isn't such a bad idea after all

© obviously isn't the final symbol choice

It's just the most context modifier looking thing I could find on my phone's keyboard

And it's also a much better idea than how x and X operated

Because instead of applying to everything, it only applies to one thing

And it doesn't need to be reset after using it either, meaning it could be somewhat viable for golfing

@lyxal it would obviously push its results to whatever context it was called in

It would just peek/pop on stacks further up

lyxal

11:54

you know you're having a good time when you run into limitations with int size

oh huh decimals

gee this really is fricked

there should not be decimals

Ginger

!!/status exciting

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lyxal

"Hello World!" #C
> "ᶻ4PẆ←jʀu”
"ᶻ4PẆ←jʀu”
> "6helalmountingsQ%"

I am having fun

so much fun

I love porting Jelly code into scala

I love it so much that I even get the language name wrong

Ginger

me when 6helalmountingsQ%

@lyxal keep this as its own element, for the funny value

okay, so I found a good uwuification library, and I was just looking through the source:

> ***unzips your pants***

> ***sees bulge***

~~this will take Vyxal Bot's indecency to a whole new level~~

lyxal

12:10

@Ginger well you see it's not the element, it's the underlying implementation of sss

I don't know whether it's a problem with the compressor or the decompressor

Ginger

@lyxal if they're the same algorithm, try decompressing it with the known-good Jelly decompressor and seeing if it works

lyxal

well you see one tiny problem

Ginger

@lyxal yeah, keep the broken implementation as its own element

lyxal

different dictionaries

we here are vyxal corp (tm) (c) (r) (inc) (tm) may steal algorithms, but word lists are something we pride ourselves on having as unique

Ginger

@lyxal 🫁😶‍🌫️

lyxal

12:16

also, jelly's word list is a single .py file. Vyxal's word lists are split into 3 files: two .txts and a .js file

different words and different formats

also also different codepage

Ginger

@lyxal sounds like you need some workflows :b

lyxal

that's overkill for something that will never need to be generated again

Vyxal Bot

GingerIndustries created branch more-statuses in Vyxal/VyxalBot2

Ginger

fair enough

lyxal

> kyangarborannunciative

> nWASTS_ablative

so turns out it's a problem with both the compressor and the decompressor

lyxal

12:31

huh

so turns out multiplication doesn't work like I thought it did

apparently 3 * 96 * z + o != 3 * (96 * z + o)

apparently distributivity exists

I think I'll write a letter of complaint to the manager of mathematics about this

mathcat

12:58

I have his number, it's +61-3-8652-1453

Vyxal Bot

mathcat4 deleted branch add-flowey-quotes in Vyxal/VyxalBot2

lyxal

13:15

compressor now works

Vyxal Bot

Ah'll be bahk.

Well, here we are again.

Ginger

alright, let's see if this works

!!/status goofy

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Ginger

nice

!!/status cryptic

Vyxal Bot

Obg fgnghf: Bayvar
Hcgvzr: 0:00:19.387605
Ehaavat fvapr: 2023-02-28G13:25:56.101962
Reebef fvapr fgneghc: 0

Ginger

13:26

and, of course:

!!/status tingly

Vyxal Bot

@Ginger B-b-bot status: Onwinye

Ginger

wow

lyxal

!!/status cryptic

Vyxal Bot

Obg fgnghf: Bayvar
Hcgvzr: 0:00:40.674778
Ehaavat fvapr: 2023-02-28G13:25:56.101962
Reebef fvapr fgneghc: 0

mathcat

lmao

lyxal

13:26

!!/status tingly

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal Bot status: Onwinye

Ginger

one second, I'm not sure why it dropped the rest of the message

lyxal

oh hell no

mathcat

@VyxalBot jesse we need random keys

Ginger

oh, it was a bug in the msgify function

Vyxal Bot

13:28

Ah'll be bahk.

Well, here we are again.

Ginger

!!/status tingly

Vyxal Bot

Bot s-s-status: Onwinye
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Ginger

much better

oh right, chat doesn't format multi-line messages

so I don't even have to use msgify

Vyxal Bot

Ah'll be bahk.

Well, here we are again.

Ginger

I present to yall: The best thing I have ever added to Vyxal Bot

!!/status tingly

Vyxal Bot

13:29

Bot status: Onwinye
Uptime: 0:00:10.024438
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lyxal

!!/status tingly

Ginger

this is glorious

Vyxal Bot

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Ginger

oh, and sometimes it'll add random text/emoticons to the statuses

(there's also this one:)

!!/status sleepy

Vyxal Bot

Bot status: Online\*yawn\*
zzzz

Ginger

13:30

me when backslash

Vyxal Bot

Ah'll be bahk.

Ginger

wellllll?

oh, captcha :/

mathcat

SEs captcha is kinds bad lmao

Vyxal Bot

Well, here we are again.

Ginger

!!/status sleepy

Vyxal Bot

13:32

Bot status: Online
Uptime: 0:00:02.926414 *yawn*
zzzzzz

Ginger

very nice

mathcat

!!/status tingly

Vyxal Bot

B-b-b-bot ***pounces on you*** status: Onwinye
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Ginger

glorious

needs more *baka* tho

mathcat

wonderful

!!/status sus

Vyxal Bot

13:33

Sorry mathcat, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Ginger

hmm, I wonder what that should do

Vyxal Bot

GingerIndustries opened pull request #18 (More statuses) in Vyxal/VyxalBot2

Ginger

can we get some reviews on ^

mathcat

@Ginger ~~one line should be randomly generated~~

Ginger

lmao, perfect

lyxal

13:37

"ᵃ&∨„ᵐ(Ko¦”

That should be hello world, but parsing doesn't like it

mathcat

> uwuipy

lyxal

because it thinks it's a goofy number

meaning the string quotes shouldn't be allowed in the compressed string

that's a fix for tomorrow

changes have been pushed to main

#C to compress

mathcat

oh, nice

!!/status tingly

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lyxal

"ᶢ%hŀᵈEė{” --> "Hi yes hello"

Ginger

13:39

@VyxalBot I fear I have done something I will live to regret

lyxal

After this string compression pr is done, I never want to touch sss again

It can just sit quietly in the code base undisturbed

mathcat

@lyxal ?

lyxal

The site doesn't update from PRs

Only version 3

Needs to be merged first

mathcat

oh, right

I'll clone it then

Ginger

17:03

!!/status tingly

Vyxal Bot

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Ginger

@Jacob look what you've done

mathcat

17:13

!!/status tingly

Vyxal Bot

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mathcat

I love it.

Jacob

Thanks i hate it

mathcat

should I create a pr for this lol?

@VyxalBot don't let hyper see this lmao

user

20:39

@mathcat Why not?

@mathcat @HYPER-NEUTRINO !!!!!

idk if that pings

@hyper-neutrino

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@user I am doing pxeger's bidding

Sorry mathcat, I'm afraid I can't do that.

user

!!/status tingly

→ 1 message moved to Trash

lyxal

21:39

@user does scala js support reading from resource files?

user

idk, we need to try that at some point

I don't think it does

lyxal

shortDictionary: Seq[String] =
io.Source.fromResource(Globals.ShortDictionaryFile).getLines().toSeq,
longDictionary: Seq[String] =
io.Source.fromResource(Globals.LongDictionaryFile).getLines().toSeq,

That's gonna error then

user

Yes, it's only the default so the tests don't have to do it themselves

lyxal

Also, the exceptions in the compressor aren't really for debugging - they're really for exiting a function without returning

Seggan

@mathcat yes

user

21:47

@lyxal I meant that if something else threw an exception, we wouldn't know it happened, making debugging harder

Like an ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException, for example

Seggan

@lyxal on the contrary, i loved touching sss to implement figs compressor

lyxal

@user for other explicit throws we should have more specialised error types then

user

ye

lyxal

Oh yeah there's still the problem that the word lists aren't optimal and that compressed strings need to not return other string characters

user

Oh dear

I tried compressing Hello world and got "ᵇ∧ṗ“₉→/ᵂṘ]¤ʀκġ!=†jŀṅ"@λḌ”

Looks like my changes screwed it up, let me undo some of them

Where's the original Jelly compression/decompression code btw?

lyxal

21:56

I linked to what I ported in comments

Compression is from an SE post, sss is found around line 1500 in jelly iirc.

user

I can't find it in the comments on the PR

emanresu A

github.com/hyper-neutrino/jelly-compendium/blob/main/src/static/…

lyxal

@user not on the pr, in the code

Above the function definitions

@emanresuA I used a different source for compression

@user I can only assume that something with big ints' size limit has gone wrong

Seggan

bigints have a size limit?

lyxal

If you don't create them properly

Probably

Seggan

22:01

that shouldnt be

javas bigints dont have that problemo

user

@lyxal Ah ok, I'll take a look alter

lyxal

8 hours ago, by lyxal

"ᵃ&∨„ᵐ(Ko¦”

For reference, that's what it should be

Which is longer than jelly btw because of word lists

emanresu A

How large are our dictionaries

Steffan

It might be useful to have some compression tools builtin to the site

so you can click a button to compress instead of running code and typing the right element

lyxal

@emanresuA 20k words in short, 220k in large

Our short has less than jelly, our large has more than jelly I think

@Steffan tabs coming in handy here :p

emanresu A

22:07

I've got a TS version of jelly compression if you want it

lyxal

Different word lists though

emanresu A

And? That's easy to change

Steffan

@lyxal Yeah, although it probably shouldn't be open by default

lyxal

@emanresuA we haven't even finalised the word list yet

emanresu A

It's not hardcoded

Can just import from wherever it's exposed in Vyxal

hyper-neutrino

23:35

@VyxalBot I'm sorry little one

*suspends for 9999 hours*

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino I got the sss and unsss working

problem is that the word lists aren't optimal

any insights on why that might be

is it word list length? Words contained?

hyper-neutrino

uh

by not optimal do you mean decompression isn't returning the best result or it is compressing to something that is substantially longer than jelly

@lyxal oh nice, do you still need my review then?

user

Might be word list length

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino yes

user

400K is chonky

hyper-neutrino

23:37

lemme recall how sss works

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino longer than what jelly produces

it's the same length using jelly words, but longer with the custom ones

@user *400k split into 2 lists

also 228k words

user

Oh

lyxal

I ended up using the 5-list-intersection list

short length:24820
long length:202934

Note that the short list has words at length 5 maximum

otherwise you get

short length:50781
long length:176973

which is probably way too disproportionate

hyper-neutrino

the order of words might affect sss slightly?

lemme test that hypothesis

yeah it seems like ordering the dictionary in decreasing order of frequency helps?? not actually certain if that's true

Unrelated String

seems likely

user

23:45

Hufflepuff tree

Unrelated String

because smaller numbers are smaller :P

hyper-neutrino

wow

I mean the thing is it's essentially mixed base conversion and like

if you store a list of 3 numbers from 1-99 as digits, 10101 is not shorter than 19999

wait, my test might've been screwed up by the existence of one of my words in the short dict

Unrelated String

though it should specifically only be affected by the frequency of the last/first (forget which) token

hyper-neutrino

yes

oh yeah I am dumb and tested with a short dict word and a long dict word

Unrelated String

lmao nice

hyper-neutrino

23:51

yeah nvm it doesn't make much of a difference

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