Vyxal

user

01:01

@Ginger Yeah not everyone does it, but I don't think it's unusual to have an empty __init__.py

@Ginger I think it's very likely that you will, it just so happened that this one doesn't require modifying Vyxal/Vyxal

I still don't see why Crosshatch needs to be a separate repo. If I were someone who wanted to try out Vyxal and did pip install vyxal, I would expect the REPL included in that to be the "good" one. I don't see why people should have to explicitly do pip install vyxal[repl] to get the good REPL, since Crosshatch isn't a 5GB package or something

It will very likely end up being less than a dozen filies, which is not very big

@Ginger Fixed

Vyxal Bot

01:21

Steffan153 approved on PR #1554 (Vyxal/Vyxal): "I guess that makes sense."

user

@Steffan Should we have a digraph for doing multiple replacements on a single list? Or move the current behavior to a digraph?

Vyxal Bot

01:48

ysthakur created branch Vyxal/v3-mill

lyxal

The only problem with mill is that it isn't an acronym like sussy baka training is

Vyxal Bot

ysthakur opened PR #1563 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:v3-mill → Vyxal:version-3): Mill support for v3

user

@lyxal mill is a pretty run-of-the-mill build tool, which is good

sbt is awesome and powerful and all that, but I really dislike the shell

Any modern build tool should be able to make daemons

Frick batch mode

Simple build tool more like shitty build tool

How do you feel about supporting both sbt and mill for a while until we can be sure mill really works?

lyxal

👍

user

poggers

lyxal

02:00

@user but I can't make jokes about it like I can shady blue tourists :p

user

New libraries won't be added very often so it shouldn't be too hard to ensure that build.sbt and build.sc are in lockstep

@lyxal You can, it's just a bit harder to make jokes about my Italian lasagna's limpidness

Hmm, limpid does not mean what I thought it meant

Which makes limpid lasagna all the more worrying

Huh, configuring Mill actually seems to take less code than sbt

Interesting project

lyxal

@user Massive inidgo lime-shaped legumes just doesn't have the same ring as seriously big toes :p

user

Yeah

I guess it's the 2 L's making it hard

We probably won't need that ScalablyTyped thing since most of our Scala.js code will just be a bridge between real JS and the shared code

But good to have starred ig

lyxal

Just on the topic of test formats, I quite like the describe, describe, it format

So maybe something that can replicate it would be good

user

02:16

Which one's that, AnyFunSpec?

We don't need to replicate it, I think

Holy hell, it's been a year and a half since cookie

We need another LotM-style thing to drive up Vyxal's popularity, there aren't enough people using it :(

Getting added to week.golf was good though, looks like a few new users came in

I think Vyxal doesn't really have the reputation of being an "easy" language yet

Seggan

02:50

@user java naming conventions go brrr

@user gradle

lyxal

05:22

@Seggan no.

My experiences with gradle have not been fun

I do not want gradle

user

10:01

@Seggan gradle doesn’t support scala as well as sbt and mill

I wish it did but anyway, gradle is kinda complicated and I’m not a fan of groovy (and the kts files don’t seem to work well with plugins that are unaware of kotlin)

@Seggan wdym

@lyxal may i ask what specifically put you off?

I haven’t found gradle to be that bad

lyxal

@user the fact that it needs to download every single library each and every time I open a project

user

If the Scala community devoted all its efforts to gradle instead of Scala i would move my personal projects to it too

@lyxal it shouldn’t be doing that

lyxal

Well it does

Every time I open something like Android studio or intellij, it starts downloading a whole bunch of stuff

user

Maybe there’s a setting making it not cache?

lyxal

I wouldn't know because I don't use it any more

user

10:05

@lyxal what about from the cli?

Oh ok

lyxal

Never used it from the cli

user

I suspect that was an intellij issue

I’ve had it do all sorts of goofy stuff like telling me a dependency didn’t exist because it somehow went into offline mode

3 mins ago, by user

If the Scala community devoted all its efforts to gradle instead of Scala i would move my personal projects to it too

Vyxal Bot

mathcat4 deleted branch Vyxal/workflow_test

user

*instead of sbt

lyxal

Silly bear topics is cool though

user

10:08

It is

But I’ve heard writing plugins for it is complicated, though not as much as gradle (not that we’re doing any advanced stuff with it)

Really the only reason why I want mill is the shell

I think it might be possible to make an salacious bacon tripod wrapper to allow it to be used without a shell

6

And then we won’t need millexcept for the project structure

mathcat

Can v3 already convert yaml to md?

lyxal

There is no yaml

It's all in the code

mathcat

wait what where

lyxal

In the elements folder

The parameters given when adding implementations also acts as data source for txt and md

mathcat

ah

so GenElements handle that?

lyxal

10:27

Yes

mathcat

And can somebody link the docs, I can't find it.

oh its in the main repo nvm

Vyxal Bot

12:11

Lyxal merged PR #1554 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:1398-make-replace-and-replace-first-occurrence-loop-over-lists → Vyxal:main): Make replace and replace_first deep

Lyxal deleted branch Vyxal/1398-make-replace-and-replace-first-occurrence-loop-over-lists

Lyxal closed issue #1398 (Make replace and replace first occurrence loop over lists, Vyxal/Vyxal)

Version 2.19.0

5

lyxal

off it goes, heading to the pypi :p

@user looks like it's running 2.18.3 at the very latest (a November 2022 release)

mathcat

@VyxalBot ayy I actually did something

mathcat

13:57

> However, the rule of thumb in Scala is to always use val unless the variable specifically needs to be mutated. (@user)

Is this just a thing in scala or is it better performance-wise?

Vyxal Bot

15:06

GingerIndustries closed PR #1560 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:add-a-version → Vyxal:main): Add a __version__ attribute

GingerIndustries approved on PR #5 (Vyxal/Crosshatch)

GingerIndustries merged PR #5 (Vyxal/Crosshatch) (Vyxal:vyxal-version → Vyxal:dev): Get Vyxal version

GingerIndustries deleted branch Crosshatch/vyxal-version

GingerIndustries closed issue #3 (Have the greeting report an actual Vyxal version, Vyxal/Crosshatch)

Ginger

ain't that spicy

Ginger

15:29

!!/help

Vyxal Bot

All of my commands start with @VyxalBot or !!/
- Use "ping me" or "don't ping me" to add/remove yourself from the ping list
- To evaluate Vyxal code, use "(execute|run|run code|evaluate)", followed by code, flags, and inputs inside inline code blocks (multiline code is not supported; provide multiline input in multiple code blocks)
- For a full list of commands, see https://github.com/Vyxal/VyxalBotSE/blob/master/instructions.md

Ginger

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@Ginger I am doing a binge marathon of Breaking Bad. What the frick are you talking about Jesse?.

Ginger

ah yes, ?.

user

16:15

@mathcat nothing to do with performance, just considered good practice in Scala and other languages

If you declare a variable with val then the compiler will yell at you if you accidentally try to assign to it

(Getting the compiler to yell at you when you screw up is a good thing in statically typed languages)

And it only takes a small change (var -> val)

github.com/Vyxal/Vyxal/issues/1329#issue-1307214802

Re: ^, aby thoughts?

On ehat constants to use

Maybe we can make a Discussion to vote on

Ginger

alright so

there does not seem to exist a version of Vylight for Python

so I guess I get to make that too :p

user

16:30

Vylight runs in the browser

I’m not sure what a Python Vylight would do

Unless you’re talking about syntax highlighting in the repl

Ginger

well technically it's just going to be a utility class that's part of Crosshatch

user

That’d be cool ig

Ginger

yeah, what I really want is for the prompt to automatically syntax-highlight as you type

Ginger

16:46

alright, I found a module that could work, but tbh it feels like overkill for what I want

I'm already using rich, do I really need a whole other CLI toolkit just for input?

Ginger

17:19

found more complete bindings for GNU Readline, which should work, but they require the user to have ncurses installed on their machine :p

eh, it's probably fine™

Ginger

18:52

okay, I have decided that it is not worth my time to have as-you-type highlighting

Seggan

19:07

@user kotlin works perfectly fine in my opinion

@user sounds like the ObjectExecutorFactory things java unfans make fun of

emanresu A

Vylight is... a hacky fork of the original Jyxal created when I had no idea how parser grammars worked.

Seggan

lol

user

19:38

@Seggan I had to use mangled groovy names when configuring a plugin once

@Seggan ah, no, it’s not some abstract nonsense, if you see the docs they explain why it’s named that

The *Spec classes are for specifications

The Fun means it treats tests as functions (I think)

Not sure what Any means exactly, I’ll have to check the docs when I’m at my laptop

@Seggan i think it was a ktlint gradle plugin (the one by the person whose name starts with j)

I’m waiting for the majority of people to switch to kts so that kotlin becomes better supported than groovy

Even if groovy is more flexible with its syntax (which really becomes a disadvantage if you want helpful errors)

@Seggan there’s also AnyFlatSpec, where you don’t nest your tests; WordSpec, which restricts the format/wording of your tests; and AnyFunSuite, which seems to be like AnyFunSpec but not nested, I think

I think AnyFlatSpec uses “it should” which I don’t really like

AnyFunSuite has a more normal test() syntax

Okay imma stop talking about non vyxal stuff now

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@Ginger sorry if i sound like a broken record, but could you please tell me why crosshatch beeds to be a separate repo and what the disadvantages of putting it in the main repo are? I’m just confused

Does crosshatch require a ton of dependencies that people won’t want?

mathcat

19:57

maybe we can move the code to the main repo after major features (like syntax highlighting) are added

Also, what do you think of a v3 tutorial for first-time golfers?

If vyxal is designed to be a good lang for beginners, you probably need one.

IMO you couldn't understand the v2 tutorial if you were new to golflangs.

When I first tried to learn vyxal, even after half learning pyth and japt, I had trouble understanding the tutorial. (But granted, that 2 years younger me).

user

@mathcat that’s a great idea!

It’s slightly different from vyxal v2 so itd be useful to have another tutorial

@mathcat what about hyper’s tutorial? I thought it was pretty good

mathcat

!!/info

Vyxal Bot

Seggan

@user too short

user

I agree

Good if you’re just starting out though

mathcat

20:08

true

user

Also i love the vyxapedia and jelly site themes

Everyone knows looks are more important than content

3

Seggan

are list literals ever used?

mathcat

20:25

Given a list and an integer (not received via input), what's the easiest way to calculate the difference between the integer an each element of the list?

Seggan

<list><int>-?

or ε is you want abs difference

mathcat

vyxal.pythonanywhere.com/…

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