Vyxal

Vyxal Bot

01:36

Lyxal approved on PR #1281 (Vyxal/Vyxal)

lyxal

!!/prod

Vyxal Bot

Vyxal-Bot opened PR #1283 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:main → Vyxal:production): Update Production (2022-07-12)

emanresu A

@VyxalBot You probably want to merge it before merging prod :P

lyxal

That's why I left both unmerged

Because user wants to add a little more to #1281 so I gave an approval for easy merging once done

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 merged PR #1283 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:main → Vyxal:production): Update Production (2022-07-12)

Steffan

03:02

I don't get why LazyLists are so slow

Like, try just giving it 5 seconds to output an infinite list of pos integers.

It counts up to 7000 or so.

emanresu A

Pythonanywhere's servers aren't great

Steffan

It should count up to way more than that in a millsiecond

It's not pythonanywhere

I tried it on my computer too on the interpreter

the flask_app.py

emanresu A

Possibly output overhead

Steffan

Whatever the problem is, we should fix it.

I tried, locally, changing the infinite list to use itertools.count(1). It got a bit better, but not much.

emanresu A

Locally it counts up to 128k with 5s

@Steffan A while ago I added stdout limiting to stop the constant buildup of session files

It's still slowish, but...

Steffan

03:13

Maybe it's just flask_Pap

Yeah it counts up to over 180k running by itself.

Well, if you limit stdout, we should at least have a message that it got truncated.

emanresu A

I'm not sure if I actually implemented it

Steffan

I can't find it

in the code

In which case, we come back to the question: why is flask_app.py so slow

emanresu A

Looks like I didn't

@Steffan ~~connection speeds~~

Steffan

Do we need to allocate extra RAM for multiprocessing.Process or what

Like connecting from localhost to my own computer is slow :P

!!/run Þ∞

Vyxal Bot

@Steffan (output was empty)

Steffan

03:21

what on earth

!!/run 2 2+

Vyxal Bot

@Steffan (output was empty)

Steffan

broke

emanresu A

Huh... maybe some API key's changed

@Steffan That doesn't even work on pythonanywhere

Steffan

!!/run <code>2 2+</code>

Vyxal Bot

@Steffan (output was empty)

Steffan

03:27

!!/run 2

Vyxal Bot

@Steffan Did you forget to put backticks around your code (`code`)? Remember to escape any backticks in your code (to type `hi`, enter `\`hi\``).

lyxal

05:46

in The Nineteenth Byte, 2 hours ago, by NoHaxJustRadvylf

BTW, now that the RTO server's arriving soon, I've got an R610 I don't really need, which is worth basically scrap metal but still pretty good for web hosting and that sort of thing. If anyone in the US wants it it's free (though shipping would be up to $100 depending on where you are).

Interesting

A whole server to ourselves

CMQ: thoughts on utilising Radvylf tech?

!!/hyperping

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal @lyxal @Steffan @mathcat @emanresuA @user @UnrelatedString @hyper-neutrino @Seggan @PyGamer0 ^

lyxal

The cons are obviously the same as last time - vyxal website being hosted on someone not affiliated with us who sole purpose isn't hosting stuff

Plus now, ACEs could be bad for the server

Because there wouldn't be the safety of PA having protections and stuff

But multithreading

That could be cool

Oh and this time it isn't an exact hosting offer

So we'd have to ask upon reaching consensus

hyper-neutrino

also unless one of us is in the US who would be willing to run it it might be hard to ship it to you

I have no input on this; I think having a dedicated server would be nice of course but unless PA is being slow or placing limitations on what we can do / allow our users to do, it might not be worth the hassle and any possible vulnerabilities

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino We could ask Radvylf to maybe keep it

And it'd obviously just be for version 2 - scala to js go brrr for version 3

I mean alternatively we could look into other ways of sessions on a single thread

Could be possible, I don't know

Maybe flask has some session handling stuff

I might look into that seeing as how I've done a whole course on web engineering and stuff like sessions

Vyxal Bot

06:08

[Discord Relay]
cjquines#0001: flask does have session-handling stuff

[Discord Relay]
cjquines#0001: i know 0 backend but i'm pretty sure it does

lyxal

it's got something, and that's something I can work with

emanresu A

@lyxal Hmm

mathcat

11:46

hmm

So the purpose of it would be hosting v2 with multithreading and stuff?

lyxal

12:00

yes

emanresu A

PA is kinda slow honestly

lyxal

I mean we could use something like heroku, but then there's the problem of URLs

everything points to pythonanywhere

emanresu A

Wdym?

That can all be edited

lyxal

1618 posts

and there's already link fragmentation there too

emanresu A

ah frick

@lyxal lyxal.pa (btw, is that still up?)

lyxal

12:08

somehow yes

and that's what I meant by fragmentation

huh someone clicked the run til from 3 months button a few days ago

also, pythonanywhere has been acquired by another company

and there's plans on expanding features

emanresu A

Hmm

lyxal

so maybe we do get multithreading at long last :p

mathcat

@lyxal plans like making pa free?

lyxal

it already is

mathcat

but it also has a premium plan, right?

lyxal

12:12

yes

user

13:13

@lyxal I'm not sure we need it tbh, maintaining it would take up a lot of someone's time

Plus shipping costs and stuff. I don't want anyone to have to pay money for any Vyxal-related stuff

lyxal

7 hours ago, by lyxal

@hyper-neutrino We could ask Radvylf to maybe keep it

user

Oh

lyxal

yeah

only person who'd be dropping real kromer on this is me

user

~~Don't give Radvylf any control over Vyxal!~~

lyxal

and even then, I'd want to make sure I knew what the hell I was doing

user

13:15

@lyxal Don't drop any real kromer

lyxal

7 hours ago, by lyxal

The cons are obviously the same as last time - vyxal website being hosted on someone not affiliated with us who sole purpose isn't hosting stuff

user

Unless it's <$1 or smth

lyxal

@user I'd also only spend real money if it came from Github Sponsors

user

@lyxal Nah it's fine idt Radvylf would go evil or smth

@lyxal That's not going to happen lol

lyxal

it's worth a try

user

13:16

I was thinking about it recently and I've come to the conclusion that I don't want anyone to give Vyxal money

lyxal

@user you never know if you don't go

user

It would really ruin our image

lyxal

how so?

user

Make us really look like Vyxal Corp (TM)

lyxal

not even to upgrade to a better server?

not even to buy the vyx.al domain?

user

13:17

There's no need for that

Nope

lyxal

@user one could say that about the tooltips + organisation + chat bot + recent site upgrades

yet here we are

Jul 9 at 13:11, by lyxal

We do the things that significantly improve quality of life

user

We'd have to either appoint a treasurer, which would be a crazy step for a golflang, or something or just let you handle the money, and you've established that you're a tax-avoiding, embezzling nerd, so you obviously shouldn't handle the money :P

lyxal

besides, it'd really only be corporate if we were "selling" services

user

@lyxal Well yes, but those were free

@lyxal True true, I just mean I don't want money involved anywhere

lyxal

donations would be cool

it means we could do a tiny bit more

and it'd just be people showing support for our hobby

user

13:19

Mmmm

lyxal

heck, I wouldn't mind some mega-corporation buying vyxal (unlikely, but Microsoft or Apple if you're tracking me, I'll happily take your dollars)

user

Well if you do sign up for GitHub Sponsors, please just don't ask for donations too much or Radvylf and the hordes will come with pitchforks

lyxal

...

you fricknut

what rock have you been living under

user

@lyxal It's 2056. Vyxal is taking over the world. Microsoft offers to buy it for $69420 gazillion but Vyxal refuses. They buy Microsoft instead. The whole world executes Vyx instead

9

@lyxal wdym

lyxal

github.com/sponsors/Lyxal

I've had it for like a year now

user

13:22

Ah

Good, keep it low key

lyxal

Adam uses github sponsors for aplcart and you don't see backlash there

user

Adam is Adam

lyxal

and I am Lyxal

there's no difference

user

There have been a few people mildly concerned about him being tied to Dyalog iirc

And the APL community is sort of separate from the TNB one

They're fine with that

lyxal

besides, it's my own personal thing

user

13:24

True

lyxal

what does it matter if people donate to me personally?

it'd be different if we set up sponsors for the organisation

user

Yeah

lyxal

but when it's just to me

it should be fine

user

ig

lyxal

I should be able to let people give me as much as they want lol

@user also, I've always wanted to use a better server and have a custom domain

been a sort of bucket-list/epic gamer goal of mine

I might do that once I get a few more BATs from Brave

that way, it technically wouldn't be my money - it'd be free in the sense that "someone else" paid for it

user

13:42

You have BATs already?

lyxal

well, I should

problem is that I verified my uphold account on the 1st of July

meaning that now I probably won't get them until August

along with the rest of my BATs from this month

Steffan

15:22

@lyxal would radvylf let us use RTO itself to host the vyxal interpreter?

Seggan

16:00

@lyxal makes it sound futuristic :P

mathcat

16:50

@Steffan but then it wouldn't have an on-screen keyboard

Seggan

suggestion: add |) as a tab completion for Þ

Unrelated String

i didn't even know the online interpreter had tab completions and i typed Þ right on my first try :P

Seggan

as in the tabcronym or the char itself?

Unrelated String

the tab formula

Seggan

i like to use alt+0222 for Þ

Unrelated String

17:03

i can also type it directly because lmao intl layout

þat's cool too

*ðat i guess

Seggan

whys the difference

why are there 2 ths anyways

Unrelated String

because
one is voiced

Seggan

ah yes tth and th

Steffan

17:18

@mathcat yes it would

I mean we have our own page on it

like rto.run/vyxal

mathcat

hmm right

Steffan

@UnrelatedString we just added them

like a few days ago

Unrelated String

ah

nice

Steffan

but didn't document them

we should

Vyxal Bot

17:40

Steffan153 opened issue #1284 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Add element to sort at every level

emanresu A

20:31

@Steffan Or perhaps vyxal.rto.run

Since it's not part of the main rto.run project

Steffan

21:19

wouldn't that mean he has to pay for an extra SSL cert?

emanresu A

I believe he has a wildcard cert

Also you can get free SSL now

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened issue #1285 in Vyxal/Vyxal: `ṅ` doesn't vectorize on lists of lazylists

emanresu A

23:47

Idea: Function composition operators

E.g. composition, forks, hooks etc

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