Vyxal

lyxal

00:20

If I had a nickel for each time someone who has starred vyxal lives on or works at pluto, I'd have 3 nickels

Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened 3 times :p

But who am I to complain about being the only golfing language to dominate other portions of space? :p

emanresu A

Lol

Both others are people I know :P

lyxal

I figured that much because y'all also all use surge for your sites lol

tybocopperkettle

00:51

@emanresuA I did the N challenge that you gave me and I've got a few solutions, this being the shortest and strangest one. Could you (or someone else) golf it down a bit or show me a shorter solution?

emanresu A

Nice! It's probably easier to construct the string instead of using the stack, I'll have a look

tybocopperkettle

Yeah I did try doing that but I ended up with like 8000 plus signs

emanresu A

Don't forget Ǐ

(there's 8 bytes with the canvas builtin but that didn't exist when you started :P)

tybocopperkettle

@emanresuA Yeah even with Ǐ it was longer but maybe I was doing it weirdly

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened issue #1029 in Vyxal/Vyxal: `∷` (parity) does not work on decimals

tybocopperkettle

00:57

Is the canvas builtin done?

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened issue #1030 in Vyxal/Vyxal: `Þ∵` and `Þ∴` only vectorize once

lyxal

@tybocopperkettle Try it Online!

tybocopperkettle

Oh, I didn't emanresuA's link

@lyxal Okay, I'm lost

emanresu A

@tybocopperkettle Yep :)

lyxal

@tybocopperkettle it uses Cartesian product to construct a grid mathematically

I'd explain it better if I wasn't currently on the road lol

tybocopperkettle

01:04

Alg, emanresuA can probably explain it later

emanresu A

Here's a more string-based approach

@tybocopperkettle Ǐ just before printing saves a byte.

A series of golfs to yours becomes 17 bytes

tybocopperkettle

What's a bit shift?

emanresu A

Left/right padding

You can tell which by the direction of the arrow

tybocopperkettle

Padding? wdym?

emanresu A

padding with spaces to a certain length

Probably the most important one is that \Nn±* can simply become ßǏ because we want to append the first character (N) if the number is nonzero

Seggan

01:11

@emanresuA compiled as in .pyc?

emanresu A

And if we slowly build it up we don't even need the stack

@Seggan Compiled to Python, which I think is valid

tybocopperkettle

@emanresuA Oh I see

emanresu A

One more golf to yours and it ties with mine :P

So, nice approach :P

tybocopperkettle

Thanks, I see how ß works now

emanresu A

Yeah, pretty much [ as a modifier

tybocopperkettle

01:21

@emanresuA How is ?‹↲ getting the right amount right padding?

emanresu A

Because you're padding a string which is something like N, N N, N N to length input-1.

@lyxal v2.13 tomorrow, right?

Seggan

> The output of the compilation must be an ELF file, a Windows Portable Executable (.exe), or virtual bytecode for the JVM or .Net's CLR (other types of virtual bytecode are also likely to be OK if asked for). Update: Python's .pyc / .pyo output also counts.

emanresu A

Frick. Is there a way to compile that to .pyc?

waiiit... does that need the whole stdlib?

Seggan

01:55

for some reason its taking myxal an absurdly large amount of time to parse 400 ~

emanresu A

Check that it hasn't tried to execute it and prompted for inpt

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened issue #1031 in Vyxal/Vyxal: `€` (split on) does not work on infinite lists

Seggan

@emanresuA no its still says Parsing program...

emanresu A

Oof

Seggan

im doin that compiler bomb thing

emanresu A

01:57

I figured

Have you even implemented ~?

Seggan

yeah

user

@Seggan recursion?

Seggan

its works with 20 of em, outputting 120 kb

@user maybe

user

I would’ve thought antlr would produce a better parser than that

Seggan

me too

emanresu A

01:58

^^

Seggan

no stackoverflows or anything tho

emanresu A

Vyxal parses it almost instantly

user

400 isn’t a lot

@Seggan it must be smart enough to use a loop instead there

How does it handle 100 ~?

emanresu A

Vyxal can handle at most 89, so how does it handle 89?

Seggan

takes about 4 seconds to parse 89

emanresu A

02:02

Vyxal does it in .71 seconds

Seggan

i can probs speed it up by using MODIFIER* instead of MODIFIER?

and a bunch of node aliases can exponentially iincrease the target size

emanresu A

Update: Vyxal takes 9.5ish seconds to transpile 400 ~, which python crashes upon trying to execute

lyxal

@emanresuA yes

That's right

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened issue #1032 in Vyxal/Vyxal: When both types are lists, `ẇ` cannot split into chunk size of 0

emanresu A

02:48

in The Nineteenth Byte, 22 secs ago, by emanresu A

The History Of Vyxal

Nobody

03:20

Great

i sort of want to make my own as well

programming language I mean

Unrelated String

go for it

Nobody

I need some

say, how

ive never created a golflang before

It seems that vyxapedia.hyper-neutrino.xyz/beginners Doesn’t mention implicit output?

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened issue #1033 in Vyxal/Vyxal: element to align to right

Nobody

@UnrelatedString any hints of how to start

Unrelated String

well
do you have any ideas

Nobody

03:26

i am thinking along the lines of a program where the only commands are 0123456789 and then you compress it

Unrelated String

also if you want to talk about this seriously you might want to make your own room for it

there are several languages in that vein and it's hard to design for usability but you may as well try

Nobody

@UnrelatedString if I am making an interpreter I’ll wait for 2 wk when my computer is good

but I think I’ll make a room to share ideas

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened issue #1034 in Vyxal/Vyxal: in the canvas, `^` and `v` patterns create the same output as `<` and `>`

Nobody

Superior Simple

Superior Simple: A 2D programming language. See github.com/Sup...

There

emanresu A

04:04

Alright time for another issue fixing marathon

emanresu A

04:35

@Steffan How should this work? Should it output 1 if the inputted value is not divisible by 2?

emanresu A

05:56

Well, my job here is done (ish)

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Vyxal Bot

chunkybanana deleted branch Vyxal/fibonacci

chunkybanana deleted branch Vyxal/add-element-to-get-prime-factorization-with-exponents

emanresu A

The current version of Vyxal has almost 6x as many commits as v2.0.0

We've come a long way

!!/prod

Vyxal Bot

@emanresuA Failed to create a pull request to update prod [422] - Validation Failed.

emanresu A

Hm okay...

(testing, didn't actually need it)

emanresu A

08:53

This lang is kinda similar to Vyxal :P

Many of the same concepts

Also, in case y'all didn't see it before:

in The Nineteenth Byte, 6 hours ago, by emanresu A

The History Of Vyxal

Nobody

09:07

@emanresuA I think this is appropriate pin

6 hours ago, by Nobody

It seems that https://vyxapedia.hyper-neutrino.xyz/beginners Doesn’t mention implicit output?

Vyxal Bot

chunkybanana opened issue #1041 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Generator creation is broken

lyxal

Ngl I'm considering just redoing the generator creation element

I have a much better and clearer idea in mind that will be way more useful than the current behaviour

Nobody

What does nil mean

Ngl

you stipid autocorrct

@lyxal .

lyxal

Not gonna lie

Vyxal Bot

Lyxal approved on PR #1040 (Vyxal/Vyxal): "Yes "

emanresu A

09:35

@lyxal I think it's kinda useful

Nobody

09:47

@lyxal thanks

Vyxal Bot

10:11

SE-Nitro approved on PR #1035 (Vyxal/Vyxal): "lgtm btw this is *cool*, far better than MS Paint"

mathcat

Is there a reason why only +x][<>v^ are in replace_patterns?

Can I add more?

Vyxal Bot

10:29

SE-Nitro approved on PR #1037 (Vyxal/Vyxal): "nice, but won't that break existing answers?"

lyxal

@emanresuA but my new idea is way more useful

lyxal

10:49

Feb 20 at 7:11, by lyxal

I've come up with a better generator element for vyxal v3

But it could also be brought forward to v2

mathcat

Generators are LazyLists, right?

lyxal

11:08

Yes

But we're talking about a specific element

mathcat

which one?

Ḟ?

lyxal

11:25

Yeah

That one

emanresu A

12:19

@mathcat Sure, just make sure they work

Vyxal Bot

chunkybanana closed issue #1034 in Vyxal/Vyxal: in the canvas, `^` and `v` patterns create the same output as `<` and `>`

chunkybanana merged PR #1035 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:fix-canvas-v- → Vyxal:main): Fix ^ and v in canvas

chunkybanana deleted branch Vyxal/fix-canvas-v-

emanresu A

They were what I could think of off the top of my head

@mathcat if you're the second approval on a PR, would you mind merging it?

Vyxal Bot

chunkybanana closed issue #1027 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Fibonacci starts with 1

chunkybanana merged PR #1037 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:0-fibonacci → Vyxal:main): Added 0-indexed fibonacci

chunkybanana deleted branch Vyxal/0-fibonacci

Seggan

12:35

@emanresuA one slight correction: "a multitargeted port of Vyxal designed to be even faster than Vyxal." should be "a multitargeted port of Vyxal designed to be even faster than Jyxal."

emanresu A

Oops, meant that :P

user

12:48

@lyxal ooh, don’t leave us hanging

Is it like unfold?

lyxal

Feb 20 at 7:11, by lyxal

I've come up with a better generator element for vyxal v3

click that and read the messages that follow

user

Oh

Looks like it could help a lot

Maybe could be generalized to other sorts of recurrence relations too

lyxal

true

mathcat

@emanresuA oh ok, didn't know that, thanks

Seggan

15:08

@lyxal right. adding that to myxal

luckily i have the @ for meta-digraphs

thats what i love about myxal

its still so unstable that i can add anything i like

Seggan

16:08

ok i think i figured out why its taking so long to parse

given the rule MODIFIER+ program_node it does not know whether to capture more MODIFIER tokens or continue with program_node

if i change program_node to element, it takes 6 ms instead of 5 seconds

mathcat

16:24

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Seggan

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mathcat

ninja'd

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened issue #1042 in Vyxal/Vyxal: `ÞD` does not work correctly on non-square matrices

mathcat

how?

teach me pls

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened issue #1043 in Vyxal/Vyxal: Add element to get all anti-diagonals of matrix

mathcat

16:35

flyp

Seggan

16:47

say hello to recursive node aliases :P Exception in thread "main" org.objectweb.asm.MethodTooLargeException: Method too large: myxal/Main.main

Seggan

17:02

its over 6 times larger than what the jvm allows lol

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 created branch Vyxal/diagonals

Steffan153 opened PR #1044 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:diagonals → Vyxal:main): Fix stuff with diagonals

Seggan approved on PR #1044 (Vyxal/Vyxal)

Vyxal Bot

17:35

**** released in Vyxal/Myxal

Myxal 0.7.1 released in Vyxal/Myxal

5

Vyxal Bot

19:04

cgccuser approved on PR #1044 (Vyxal/Vyxal): "LGTM, just some suggestions to check for empty lists"

user

Argh, I meant to say "request changes" but whatever

mathcat

I think you can re-vote

mathcat

20:39

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emanresu A

21:25

Woo, 3000 commits!

3

Seggan

@lyxal tho tbh the current way is golfier

usually relation can fit in a 1-3 element lambda

only 2 extra chars: the 1-3 element lambda char, and the generator creation element

while that way requires 3 extra chars: opening, pipe, and semicolon

emanresu A

^^

Seggan

21:44

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A: Build a Compiler Bomb

Myxal 0.7.1, 46 source bytes + 2 bytes flag = 48 bytes, 2.042 MB compiled ~~~~~~~y¢aaaa¢bbbb¢cccc¢dddd¢eeee¢ffff¢gggg¢hh Simple node alias recursion bomb. ~~~~~~~y # A bunch of filter modifiers on the element 'y' ¢a # Alias that to 'a' aaa¢b # 3 'a's = 'b' and so on... bbb¢c ccc¢d ddd¢e...

Superior Simple

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