Vyxal

hyper-neutrino

00:08

oh i have a really stupid project idea

somehow make it possible to make a discord bot in vyxal (without eval abuse obviously)

user

I mean, you just take the current Discord bot, wrap it in a string, and call eval on it

emanresu A

The ability to do that would come with a proper import system

user

Oh can you not import stuff inside eval?

emanresu A

I mean the ability to do it from within Vyxal

Seggan

01:48

@emanresuA how would that work?

`random`<import element>@randint;,?

Vyxal Bot

Seggan approved on PR #953 (Vyxal/Vyxal)

Seggan requested changes on PR #8 (Vyxal/Jyxal)

Lyxal approved on PR #953 (Vyxal/Vyxal)

Lyxal closed issue #952 in Vyxal/Vyxal: SyntaxError: leading zeros in decimal integer literals are not permitted

Lyxal merged PR #953 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:datetime → Vyxal:main): Don't use eval for datetime stuff

Lyxal deleted branch Vyxal/datetime

lyxal

!!/prod

oh

bot gone

:thonk:

@hyper-neutrino bot gone

where bot

emanresu A

!!/status

frock

lyxal

bot isn't in room

oh it back

emanresu A

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

01:55

@emanresuA I am doing your mom.

lyxal

!!/prod

hyper-neutrino

gottem

Vyxal Bot

Vyxal-Bot opened PR #954 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:main → Vyxal:production): Update Production (2022-05-09)

lyxal

@VyxalBot lmao get rekt

Vyxal Bot

Lyxal approved on PR #954 (Vyxal/Vyxal)

lyxal

01:56

!!/status

Vyxal Bot

@lyxal I am doing tax evasion.

lyxal

truly one of us :p

Vyxal Bot

Lyxal merged PR #954 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:main → Vyxal:production): Update Production (2022-05-09)

Vyxal Bot

02:08

[Discord Relay]
lyxal#4610: can't believe beep boop commits tax evasion

lyxal

good, that still works

Vyxal Bot

13:21

Lyxal publicized Vyxal/Community-Ad-2022-2023

lyxal

only to make its presence known and for y'all to clicky clicky

it's private again

user

Bruh it’s q community ad

Just pin a message and we’ll discuss it here

lyxal

GitHub has polls

which are more objective and clearer in results than here

plus, repository allows for draft images to be stored

also, discord-only users (hi y'all btw) will be able to discuss it there without relay problems

Seggan

14:39

are there any discord-only users

Vyxal Bot

[Discord Relay]
lyxal#4610: probably

Seggan

also, because i still cant figure out how to compile llvm ive decided to go for a c(++?) target instead

c will be faster, but c++ is higher level

plus i already know c++

but i kinda feel like learning c for this

which also means that unless i write code very carefully, ill probable need to make a gc for this

reference counting seems lucrative, but mutual references might be a problem

im thinking of a python-esque gc

or no gc at all

Seggan

14:56

ooh mark and sweep looks lucrative

one problem is when should i run it

user

15:22

@Seggan i like refcounting

You’ll need a backup gc but that + refcounting will be pretty solid

Mark compact is cool too

@Seggan c++ isn’t slower if you use it like c

Generational gc if you want to be ambitious

Seggan

hmm mark compact seems to be almost like mark and sweep + defrag, which i dont think ill need

why use ref count + backup if you can just use the backup?

user

Defrag isn’t necessary yeah but if you want a challenge it’s cool

@Seggan because refcounting lets you catch most objects immediately

The backup, which will probably stop the world or something expensive, will only be run occasionally

Ooh tricolor is cool too, i think Go uses that

That’s sort of continuous

Seggan

i cant understand tricolor

besides, this is a simple gc

user

Cycles are pretty rare

Tbh you don’t even beed cycle detection

Seggan

not for the entire c(++) code, just for managing myxal memory

user

15:34

You could just not bother with cycles for now

Or you could depend on your platform to provide the gc

If you’re using c++ try using shared_ptrs maybe

Seggan

or that

user

17:10

Okay so apparently refcounting has a lot of overhead

I guess just a tracing gc might be best :(

Maybe with gens

hyper-neutrino

17:33

oh what we're implementing garbage collection?

user

Check out nim’s orc too

@hyper-neutrino idk, myxal might need it

hyper-neutrino

ic

user

@Seggan have you decided to make your own gc?

Steffan

18:20

oh no...

Vyxal is a golfing language, not gcc

no one needs segfault in golfing langs

user

Are you kidding me?

We need a shorter solution to that question where you segfault or error or something

Steffan

we don't need a shorter way to segfault

well

its annoying how i have to put text in to dismiss a review. i just put in zwsps

Seggan

18:37

@user ive decided to, yes

@hyper-neutrino for myxal native

hyper-neutrino

ah

Seggan

mine is gonna be a variation of mark and sweep where it will only track the objects i register to it (so only myxal will be gc-ed, not the underlying native code) and the root will be the stack

the gc will run when 1k-3k objects have been registered

user

19:33

Cool

Generations too?

Seggan

19:46

@user nope

Vyxal Bot

20:09

Myxal 0.6.0 released in Vyxal/Myxal

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Seggan

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Vyxal Bot

23:18

Steffan153 merged PR #8 (Vyxal/Jyxal) (Vyxal:factorial → Vyxal:master): Add factorial/sentence case element

Steffan153 deleted branch Jyxal/factorial

user

@Steffan You don't happen to be related to Aaron Miller, do you?

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