Vyxal

Vyxal Bot

00:11

Lyxal approved on PR #247 (Vyxal/Vyxal)

Vyxal Bot

00:23

v-4 released in Vyxal/Sandbox

lyxal

very cool

user

@lyxal Yeah, samr

And Use | as a separator maybe?

We need a way to nest the things for extra brevity

Will do stuffy tomorrow

lyxal

¨#math|fizzbuzz|antigravity?

which imports math, fizzbuzz (don't tell redwolf ;p) and antigravity

user

No i meant it would import math, math.fizzbizz, and math.fizzbuzz.antigravity

@lyxal for that we can just use newlines andor semicolons

lyxal

nah they're called bewlines

4

user

00:29

Bewlines it is :P (back on my laptop, no more incoherent spelling, I promise)

lyxal

@user fizzbizz

wonderful

Vyxal Bot

ysthakur closed issue #246 (Make Vyxal a package so it can be installed with pip, Vyxal/Vyxal)

ysthakur merged PR #247 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:packaged → Vyxal:master): Allow Vyxal to be installed with pip install

ysthakur deleted branch Vyxal/packaged

lyxal

just a quick question: why'd you merge that into master?

user

So we can have that available right now with ATO :P

lyxal

because the whole point of the rewrite is that fresh-beginnings will become master

@user idot. master has v2.5.x

2.5.x is broken

user

00:31

Yep, I'll make a separate thingy for fb too

@lyxal But ATO is using 2.5.x, right?

...I am in constant awe of my stupidity

lyxal

ATO doesn't have vyxal idot

user

Doesn't harm anything, though, I'll just port it to fb too

@lyxal pxeger's put it in staging.ato.pxeger.com afaik

lyxal

@user I'm seeing a very distinct lack of Vyxal there too

user

nvm, it's not there, I could've sworn it was

@PXEGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

(YES I KNOW THAT DOESN'T PING)

lyxal

actually it does

@USERRRRRR

(see)

user

00:33

No?

lyxal

oh

user

I am unharmed by the gren

lyxal

stupid userscrpt

user

lol

lyxal

it shows that it's a ping

because when you hover over @..., it thinks it's a ping

@not_a_username

yeah okay it isn't accurate

frick

@use

user

01:03

@lyxal Yep, that pings me

pVC aecidiospore adduced

04:15

@lyxal wait you are adding imports to vyxal?

lyxal

pretty much

pVC aecidiospore adduced

ok i must steal this idea

lyxal

jk jk we aren't

(we totally are)

(but that's because Vyxal has a practical language design goal)

(not really useful for standard golflangs)

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal i was thinking to add the import feature for a while now

@lyxal CMC: Make minecraft

¨#minecraft

emanresu A

04:31

Ideas I've had:

- n in while loops is 1...infinity counting up (modifiable with mM)

- [...|...|...] is if...elsif(pop again)...else (if none were truthy)

lyxal

@emanresuA yes that's what happens in the rewrite

emanresu A

Wait seriously?

Someone actually thought of this?

lyxal

yep

emanresu A

Who?

lyxal

Jul 24 at 0:47, by hyper-neutrino

@lyxal what is intended behavior for [a|b|c|d|e|f]

we had a whole discussion

emanresu A

04:34

Oh lol

lyxal

Jul 24 at 0:51, by lyxal

emanresu A

Hyper big brain

Did we decide on what to do for (...|...|...) and | in the global scope / a function scope?

lyxal

let me check the specs

I don't think so

emanresu A

Jul 24 at 13:44, by lyxal

12 months ago, if you had told me that Vyxal would grow to have an amazing community, increased code golf popularity and a whole kind of ecosystem on github, I would have said "haha, good joke". But here we are: we have a great community, a whole kind of ecosystem, and people who have been using Vyxal on a daily basis. It's been a really great year for Vyxal, and I have a feeling that 2018 will be even better.

Here are some things that I think Vyxal did well in 2017:

A lot of code golfers have gotten into Vyxal because of the course on the Golf Club

Half of this message is eerily accurate

And the other half is totally wrong.

> It's been a really great year for Vyxal

lyxal

And here's what it looks like in action:

Vyxal has been featured in a chess magazine:

And Vyxal was used on a tournament to win a free ticket to the World Championship:

Vyxal has been used on a lot of tournaments, as well as on some streamed matches. I can't name every tournament, but here is a list of some of the tournaments on which Vyxal was used:

emanresu A

04:42

But then

lyxal

because we do chess

emanresu A

> and I have a feeling that 2018 will be even better.

> and has 16 contributors

is close

lyxal

> You can also expect me to make some more videos about Vyxal, and I will probably stream more Vyxal matches on Twitch.

emanresu A

Completely wrong:

> not very intuitive

lyxal

if you think I'mma start twitch streaming then you're wrong

emanresu A

04:43

> The main reason that I haven't done this yet is that the code is a bit ugly, and it's difficult to understand the codebase without reading the whole thing. I should fix that.

Eerily accurate, although it's a work in progress.

> I will probably make a new website as well. I don't know exactly what I will do, but it will probably be a bit more beautiful than the current website.

lyxal

... that might happen

emanresu A

We were thinking about rewriting the website...

Vylight could do with a rewrite too - there are several bugs, and I'm the only one who understands it.

I'd say Vyxal's probably the most intuitive golfing language.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@emanresuA and i still dont know it

hyper-neutrino

well it's more intuitive than jelly and that about covers all the golfing language's i'm familiar with, ignoring the fact that i'm not really familiar with vyxal

well jelly is more intuitive to me but overall to someone who knows neither vyxal is probably easier to pick up or at least should be

emanresu A

I understand Jelly, just chaining is quite complex, and it doesn't have a nice editor with a keyboard of all the characters you might need.

So anytime I want to write something in Jelly, I have to open up the wiki, search up whatever it is I want, and copy-paste it into TIO.

hyper-neutrino

04:59

> it doesn't have a nice editor with a keyboard of all the characters you might need

jht.hyper-neutrino.xyz/tio

emanresu A

Ok that's pretty poggers, thanks.

One problem:

Aug 13 at 6:26, by Vyxal Bot

                                                               YOU CAN RUN, BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE, hyper, unless you use flexbox
                                                     ___._
                                                   .'  <0>'-.._
                                                  /  /.--.____")
                                                 |   \   __.-'~
                                                 |  :  -'/
                                                /:.  :.-'
__________                                     | : '. |

hyper-neutrino

see i could make the site not shit but i could also not

just zoom out ez

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@hyper-neutrino but i cant see

emanresu A

!!/coffee lyxal

Vyxal Bot

@emanresuA brews a cup of coffee for @lyxal

pVC aecidiospore adduced

05:11

!!/coffee me

Vyxal Bot

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced brews a cup of coffee for @me

emanresu A

!!/coffee VyxalBot coffee VyxalBot coffee VyxalBot coffee

Vyxal Bot

@emanresuA brews a cup of coffee for @vyxalbotcoffeevyxalbotcoffeevyxalbotcoffee

emanresu A

@VyxalBot coffee caird

Dammit

pVC aecidiospore adduced

!!/coffee cairdcoinheringaahing

Vyxal Bot

05:14

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced brews a cup of coffee for @cairdcoinheringaahing

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@hyper-neutrino and on mobiles it horrible

hyper-neutrino

yeah i know

also why are y'all pinging random people

don't make me disable it

emanresu A

!!/lol u good there my epic gamer

Vyxal Bot

@emanresuA I am doing great.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

!!/why is statements

^ it should do a google search

hyper-neutrino

05:19

why

pVC aecidiospore adduced

!!/google who is lyxal

@hyper-neutrino because its a bot

hyper-neutrino

it is literally easier to press control T

and search

pVC aecidiospore adduced

how do i press control?

i am on Android :p

@emanresuA (a|b|c) -> (a|(b|c))

Vyxal Bot

07:11

chunkybanana closed issue #50 (Coffee Command, Vyxal/VyxalBotSE)

lyxal

07:49

∞1+ now produces the list [2, ∞)

pVC aecidiospore adduced

08:25

why do people use [ and )

lyxal

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Because it's mathematical notation for ranges

pVC aecidiospore adduced

ok

so ) is exclusive?

and [ is inclusive?

lyxal

[ means that the start point is included in the range, ] means that the end point is in the range

Dang it stop ninjaing my explanation

( and ) mean the start and stop point aren't included in the range

I think it's called interval notation

Yeah, it is

brilliant.org/wiki/interval-notation

Razetime

09:35

u guys are insane

OOP vyxal?!

pVC aecidiospore adduced

09:56

@Razetime how?

will it be a diagraph?

actually i dont think thats necessary

lyxal

10:32

@Razetime yes

It's been something I've wanted to do all along

I've drafted class syntax multiple times, but I've never really stuck with anything

Razetime

wow that is very good.

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced well too bad pygamer

lyxal

¨@Class_Name:Parent_Class|
  ¨∴constructor;
  ¨→member_variable_declaration
  @method;
;

something like that maybe?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

11:15

wha

WHAT

what about operator overloading?

lyxal

I'm yet to figure out the fine details

lyxal

13:29

I've had the best idea for multiple inheritance for classes

okay so methods are inherited in order of appearance of parent class

and methods can be marked as having priority

so like if class A has method output and class B has method output and the class header is ¨@C:A:B, then it'll inherit the output from A

but if B's output is marked with priority (smth like @!output|...;, where the ! is the inheritance priority marker), C will inherit output from B

if two classes both mark a method as having priority, then it goes back to parent order

pVC aecidiospore adduced

but whydo we need classes?

lyxal

for multiple files and because Vyxal is "A golfing language that has aspects of traditional programming languages"

pVC aecidiospore adduced

o..ok

i am not going to question further

lyxal

good

it's best you don't.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

ok what about operator overloading?

@+...;?

or @o+...;

lyxal

13:38

how about @@+...;?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

ok

> A golfing language that has aspects of traditional programming languages

i think people read the sentence like that ^^^^^

lyxal

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced yes

Vyxal is primarily golflang, secondarily praclang

¨@Animal|
  ¨∴1|→name;
  ¨↑name `<generic animal noise>` ¨→noise
  @speak|`% goes %` ←name ←noise "%;
;

¨@Dog:Animal|
  `bark` ¨→noise
;

pVC aecidiospore adduced

ok so CC: Make a fully functional clone of vim in vyxal 5.3.4

when it releases

lyxal

Where ¨@ opens the class, ¨∴ opens the constructor, ¨↑ declares member and ¨→ assigns to member

Aaron Miller

helo am heere

pVC aecidiospore adduced

13:44

@AaronMiller oleh

lyxal

example of my inheritance rules in action:

¨@A|
  @output|`This is from Class A`,;
;

¨@B|
  @output|`This is from Class B`,;
;

¨@C:A:B|;

C's output method would print This is from Class A

¨@A|
  @output|`This is from Class A`,;
;

¨@B|
  @!output|`This is from Class B`,;
;

¨@C:A:B|;

C's output method would print This is from Class B, because B defines the method as having inheritance priority

Aaron Miller

@lyxal I think my idea is worse.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

umm ok

lyxal

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pVC aecidiospore adduced

@AaronMiller what is it?

lyxal

13:48

¨@C; @output; is probably how you'd create instances of classes, and call their functions

Aaron Miller

in The Nineteenth Byte, 14 mins ago, by Aaron Miller

I'll tell you guys my horrible idea if/when I do it.

We should add some graphical output stuff to Vyxal. We only have like 3 ¨ diagraphs, so we've got the room.

lyxal

I'm sure I've got drafts/plans for those documented somewhere

if it wasn't 11:51pm, I'd search for them

but it is 11:51pm

so I'm not going to

Aaron Miller

You've got 8 minutes to find them :P

lyxal

Maybe I'm not going to try at all :p

Aaron Miller

14:04

Well now you've got a whole day

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@AaronMiller and also ncurses

user

19:07

@lyxal why not just do exactly what python does and leave it to them?

Aaron Miller

@user ~~That's too easy~~ Because

user

@AaronMiller This si actually a good idea

@lyxal Looks a teeny bit awkward but not bad

Maybe @.method; for calling instance functions?

And @.field for fields

Aaron Miller

20:50

!!/sus

Vyxal Bot

@AaronMiller ඞ

Vyxal Bot

23:26

Lyxal created a discussion in Vyxal/Vyxal: Add Classes

Lyxal closed issue #250 (Add Classes, Vyxal/Vyxal)

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