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12:00 AM
Isn't the tsundoku supposed to be sleeping?
 
12:20 AM
Oh, it's Friday evening. But I'll go to be anyway.
 
If the tsundoku does not sleep then the tsundoku will not write as good answers
 
Good point. I guess I'll retire now.
 
 
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1:25 AM
@Mithical, I think the profile page is responsive now -or at least there's a nice mobile view I just noticed: meta.stackexchange.com/q/361645
 
 
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4:12 AM
Also, I got an acceptance to a top-ranked university! :D
 
4:33 AM
> the Redwallers charge the Marlfoxes in a battle. Heavy losses are inflicted on the goodbeasts
wonderful. Wikia, why won't you tell me which goodbeasts? Are they just redshirts?
never mind, found another character for that book
 
4:58 AM
We are supposed to ‘be nice’, but this answer’s problems go much deeper than lack of sources and does not appear to be anyone we want to ‘welcome’. — suchiuomizu 22 mins ago
I went back and forth over that comment, but eventually decided the leave the "Welcome" in and take out the "This isn't a place for rants against the book and society".
Lack of sources is actionable. It's obvious. It's likely unfixable, for this answer. Perhaps I shouldn't be trying
 
5:21 AM
@Tsundoku Well, as they say, Pope springs eternal in the human breast
 
Redwall-death answer is completed and I'm now just double-checking all the characters being important. There may be a round of triple-checking after that to make sure they all die in the proper books.
 
@Sciborg Hi, Sci! Sorry to learn about your job sitch. Hope you've landed on your feet!
@bobble Congratulations! 🎉 May I ask which one? "I don't care to say" is a perfectly fine answer
 
I'd rather not say because all the places I applied are near-ish (within a day's drive) to me, so it would indirectly give away my location
 
@Tsundoku yes, I don't think the attempts to edit it actually improve it. It's far too broad to be answerable.
 
I didn't feel safe travelling a long distance (all the applications went out during Very Bad COVID times) and the nearby schools are good
 
5:37 AM
@bobble That makes sense. I'm delighted that you got good news today after being disappointed yesterday! Is this university your top choice, or are you waiting to hear from others that you might like more? Of course there might be other considerations like which one offers the best financial aid package, etc.
 
Out of the schools I applied to, there are 2 that would be extremely good for my intended major, and this is one of them
 
@Tsundoku I just voted to close. If the question were something like, "Has any writer or scholar claimed that Hector, not Achilles, is the true hero of the Iliad?", that's an answerable question, but as framed, the question is unfocused.
@bobble Sweet!
 
6:11 AM
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Q: Is there evidence that "Marlfox" actually occurred?

bobbleWhile doing some research for an answer, I discovered the Redwall series book Marlfox. At the end of the book, there is a meta-note: Curtain! This narrative has been edited by Florian Dugglewoof Wilffachop, Actor Manager Impresario. Who insists that the entire tale is a drama, which he will be l...

 
6:53 AM
@verbose I think this would be a better question, as I wasn't looking for a comprehensive answer, but rather some arbitrarily chosen examples from writers I might have heard of.
 
 
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9:07 AM
@Soyuz42 Perhaps you could edit your question accordingly? That would also automagically remove my close vote (close votes go away after a question gets edited)
 
@bobble \o/ Congratulations!!
 
hey @b_jonas and @Randal'Thor, what is a good work of literature that involves mathematics as a theme, or a mathematician as a central character such that their work is important to the story? Tom Stoppard's Arcadia comes to mind but there must be others
 
Le Beaujolais badge nouveau est arrivé. 🍷 Après 41 réponses.
 
@Tsundoku Félicitations! 🎈
 
Merci.
 
9:17 AM
Speaking of Stoppard, there are zero questions about him on the site. Le sads
 
9:32 AM
@verbose Done, but a bit too late.
 
@Soyuz42 People can now vote to reopen it. Closing a question needn't be a final verdict.
 
@Tsundoku and @Soyuz42 I just voted to reopen.
also, the tie between me and EJoshuaS lasted more than a day, but is finally broken. I now need to catch up to the guy who flings rugs about.
 
@verbose Wonderful news. Thank you for the help with the question.
 
10:05 AM
@Soyuz42 you'll still need four other reopen votes, sadly
 
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Q: Is Blevins in All the Pretty Horses the modern-day version of Blood Meridian's The Kid?

releseabeBoth The Kid and Blevins are not evil but at the same time extremely dangerous young men (of roughly the same age) on their own due to the death of their fathers. It seems pretty likely that if Blevins had been transported to the less-civilized time of almost exactly a century before the time of ...

 
10:38 AM
@verbose I don't know, I only have mathematics in nonfiction books
(unless you count the Smullyan books as fiction)
 
@b_jonas ah. I wouldn't know, I've never read Smullyan
 
11:18 AM
@bobble Congratulations!
@bobble Nice! Btw, did you stop after finding one sufficiently important character for each book, or have you tried to compile lists for each book?
I eventually decided against including this as a criterion in the question, but I seem to remember at least one young (or at least not old) character dying in each book. Like Piknim or Rose definitely count, but an elderly friar dying of old age isn't exactly what I'm thinking of.
I almost excluded Cregga, but (according to wiki, I don't remember exactly), although she was old, she died from an arrow, and she was a long-lasting and much-loved character, so she can count.
@verbose They don't ... if a question has close votes and then gets edited, the close votes remain. You might be thinking of questions getting removed from the Close Votes review queue after an edit, which I think can happen at least under some circumstances, but the close votes themselves aren't so easily cancellable.
@Tsundoku Congratulations!
@verbose Congratulations! And ROFL at "guy who flings rugs about" :-)
 
11:42 AM
@verbose Rugs? Or gospels?
 
@Soyuz42 A couple of comments on the Hector question, since I don't plan to write an answer
 
@Randal'Thor yer right, Randolph. sorry @Soyuz42. But I see the q already has two reopen votes.
@Tsundoku or non-glossy photographs.
 
The question asks for scholars who have recognized Hector as the "true hero" of the Iliad. But good scholars will surely recognize that the idea of the "true" hero is problematic -- the Iliad has many heroes and it is not clear what we gain by designating one of them as "true" and the others as "false"
 
Possibly, pre-20th-century scholars were less particular in this regard.
 
So the question is in some sense excluding careful scholarship through its terms of reference
@Soyuz42 If you are interested in general discussion of heroism as portrayed in the Iliad and in particular as it concerns the character of Hector, there is a monograph Nature and Culture in the Iliad: The Tragedy of Hector (1994) by James M. Redfield which you can borrow from the Internet Archive
 
12:03 PM
The question title says "author or scholar" but the question body only asks about "well-known authors". So one might answer the question without taking any scholars into account. But what's the threshold for "famous"?
 
It's certainly the case that different characters in a work of literature can appeal to different people, or to different audiences at different times. A good example is Shakespeare's Henry IV Part I where different productions have chosen to make Hotspur, Hal, or Falstaff the star part
 
12:24 PM
@verbose Hmm. I have enough maths in my real life that I tend to avoid mathematical fiction (people are always asking me whether I've seen the films about Turing or Ramanujan or Hawking), but I once analysed a mathematical passage of Stanislaw Lem's His Master's Voice, and I did see one film with a mathematical theme, based on a novel which in turn was based on a Borges short story.
Borges is generally fantastic for short stories with all sorts of wacky themes, some of them mathematical ("The Library of Babel" explores the concept of infinity), some of them linguistic or philosophical or literary.
I recently read some stories of an old sci-fi author, Hal Clement, who seems to specialise in hard sci-fi with scientists as main characters and seemingly realistic/well-researched descriptions. Dunno if any of his stories feature mathematicians though. @b_jonas would probably know better.
 
12:45 PM
@Randal'Thor Thanks! Your mention of Ramanujam also reminded me that he's the eponymous title character in David Leavitt's The Indian Clerk.
 
12:58 PM
 
@verbose Take a look at Alex Kasman's database of mathematical fiction
 
1:17 PM
@Tsundoku I should have said Ramanujan. The Indian clerk in question is Srinivasa Ramanujan.
@GarethRees oh cool. Thanks!
 
> Anti-social Mathematicians (137 entries)
> Cool/Heroic Mathematicians (51 entries)
Touche.
 
1:32 PM
@Randal'Thor I don't know, because Mission of Gravity is the only book I've read from him. If you just want a sci-fi story with a mathematician, there's Hari Seldon in Asimov's Prelude to the Foundation and Forward the Foundation.
 
 
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2:40 PM
I've spent more than a week working on my answer to Peter Shor's question about Middleton. Sigh.
I'm not done yet.
That question already cost me something like $100 because I broke down and ordered Middleton's Collected Works and the companion volume. Not for the sake of the question, but just because I got more interested in Middleton.
 
@verbose I also have those books on my wishlist. Don't know yet when I will order them.
How detailed are the annotations in that edition?
 
3:06 PM
@verbose EJoshuaS has got an upvote and caught up with you again.
 
@Tsundoku I don’t know. I’ve ordered them, but they’ven’t arrived yet.
@Tsundoku well, let’s trade. I’ll feel smug that I’ve ordered them. You can feel smug that you’ve posted an answer to Peter’s question
@Randal'Thor nice. Or “based” as the kiddies say
 
@Bookworm HNQ.
 
@verbose I'll wait with feeling smug until I've read those books and checked whether anything is essential is missing from my answer. Oh, and I'll order them when my Middleton topic suggestion gets selected.
I have eight of MIddleton's plays in other editions, so having the Collected Works won't lead to too much duplication.
 
3:33 PM
@Randal'Thor hopefully it wasn't too much of a silly question :D
 
@bobble Not something that would've occurred to me, but not all that silly since (for example) the Swallows & Amazons series DOES have a couple of volumes which are in-universe metafiction.
Btw, congrats on your Deputy badge! You're only the 4th person here to get one (although you would be 5th if Tsundoku weren't a mod).
 
@Randal'Thor I have multiple for a few books (when I could find multiple) and everyone was properly killed, stabbing or poison or suchlike.
Why aren't other people flagging stuff? Didn't take me long to hit 80 helpful
 
@bobble 🏁
 
How much sleep did the tsundoku get?
 
3:49 PM
I think around 7 hours.
 
Good enough
 
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Q: Translation of Onomasticon by Julius Pollux of Naucratis

ed huffIs there an English translation of the Onomasticon by Julius Pollux of Naucratis?

 
@Bookworm I doubt there is an English translation. There seems to be a Latin translation.
 
@bobble Well, a crown is a symbol of a ruler, who'd be expected to be associated with flags.
 
@Bookworm This is asking for a translation of a non-literary work - is that okay?
> Pollux was the author of the Onomasticon (Ὀνομαστικόν), a Greek thesaurus or dictionary of Attic synonyms and phrases, arranged not alphabetically but according to subject-matter, in ten books. It supplies in passing much rare and valuable information on many points of classical antiquity — objects in daily life, the theater, politics – and quotes numerous fragments of lost works. Thus, Julius Pollux became invaluable for William Smith's Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities, 1842, etc.
In other words, does the work in question run afoul of this meta consensus?
 
4:06 PM
@bobble It seems fine to me.
 
@Tsundoku Apparently there is, but we might need someone in Oregon to track it down.
 
@bobble It's a rather unusual work as far as thesauri or dictionaries go. Its main attraction now is the information that is not strictly lexicographic.
 
Does that question need a work tag, by the way?
 
It turns out that there are at least six works entitled Onomasticon.
@Randal'Thor I seem to have missed that in WorldCat. The translation seems to cover only the last two volumes, not the entire work.
 
4:32 PM
Finished Inkdeath by Cornelia Funke.
 
Did the ink die?
 
Finished The Colour of Magic by Terry Pratchett.
Currently reading The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. Le Guin.
@bobble some of it
@bobble I still see the thing I screenshotted there... if you're referring to the mobile web view, that's been mostly deprecated for a while
 
huh. Not sure why I never noticed it before
 
@Mithical That's the last one of the trilogy, right?
 
yep
 
4:47 PM
@Mithical SFF has a Cornelia Funke topic challenge this month. Not that I'm suggesting you should ask all your Inkheart questions there instead of here, but, you know, topic challenges ...
 
Yeah, I'm aware. :)
I've currently got one question for here and one question for there.
 
Great!
Now you can ask two questions per day :-)
 
One with the left hand of darkness, one with the right hand of darkness?
 
5:18 PM
You'd hope that vengeance had right behind it
 
5:35 PM
@bobble But which is the right hand?
 
@PrinceNorthLæraðr tags for you:
 
> "The trilogy was revived in 2020 when Funke announced that a sequel called Die Farbe der Rache (The Color of Revenge) will be published by October 2021 in Germany." -Wikipedia
Interesting. I wasn't aware of that.
 
@Tsundoku The one not left behind
 
I'd rather know that beforehand.
 
5:39 PM
You mean right away?
 
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Q: How does Resa becoming a swift reflect on her character in "Inkdeath"?

MithicalIn Inkdeath, the third book in the Inkheart trilogy by Cornelia Funke, Resa uses seeds that turn the user into an animal. In Resa's case, she turns into a swift: It was easy to fly, so easy. The skill of it came with the body, with every feather and every delicate bone. For the seeds had turned ...

 
@bobble Yes, with nothing left out.
 
@Bookworm @Mithical ?
 
@Tsundoku All right
 
@Randal'Thor ...is it? I dunno.
 
5:44 PM
@bobble It's hands down the best approach.
 
@Mithical I'm not sure, but aren't you asking about the symbolism of that species of bird specifically and how it relates to her character?
 
@Tsundoku All my puns have left the station, dearest Tsundoku
 
@bobble Then we are no longer on the right track.
 
@Tsundoku All hands on deck to haul us back?
 
@bobble The circs have left us no other option.
 
5:55 PM
@Tsundoku By rights we shouldn't be here at all
 
@bobble I have to hand it to you: you are better at punning than me.
 
@Tsundoku That came out of left field; when it comes right down to it I am ever your student
 
@bobble You have left me speechless. (Well, almost.)
 
@Tsundoku I hope that's within my rights
 
6:39 PM
@Mithical Thanks
 
The Swift picked up a Ruby and flew to Java with it. Unfortunately, it dropped the gemstone in the ocean and after arriving on Java, the Swift got swallowed by a Python. Where the Ruby lies hidden is now a deep C secret. (The Ruby had been picket up by Ada in the Eiffel.)
Later on, Dylan, an Apache with a Lisp, discovered a Perl in a C Shell but got devoured by a Wyvern. A knight named Pascal killed the Wyvern with an Haxe and gave the Perl to Miranda.
 
 
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8:10 PM
@Randal'Thor Supposedly. But there's a fourth book now.
@Bookworm ooh, we got our first Cornelia Funke question.
@Tsundoku And about that many works titled "Prometheus bound" commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Prometheus_Bound
 
 
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11:33 PM
The first question of the Mem and Zin topic challenge brought three new tags. @PrinceNorthLæraðr will be pleased ;-)
 
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Q: When was Mem and Zin / Mam û Zîn first printed?

TsundokuWikipedia describes Mem and Zin as a Kurdish classic love story written down in 1692 (...). In other words, it was written down roughly two-and-a-half centuries after Johannes Gutenberg invented the printing press. With this in mind, it may seem silly to ask when the Mem and Zin was first print...

 

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