The Reading Room

9:35 PM

@Benjamin That's copied from SFF without attribution. I'd be inclined to call that plagiarism.

@HDE226868 Ah, I agree with that now, but your reason didn't express that.

@Benjamin Why did you reject this? The reason you picked doesn't apply here: “The Watchmen” is not a common word that's obvious for everyone.

@Benjamin I did not approve the edit; I was not involved in the review. I'm speaking as a third party.

This reason was intended for cases where the tag name doesn't need defining because everybody knows that it is. This isn't the case here.

And, contrariwise, once you've defined the name, it's obvious that it's for questions about that particular set of works. There's no need to say “use the-watchmen for questions that are about The Watchmen”

@Gilles It gives no usage guidance beyond defining the term and it does not state whether it should be used with questions about the series of books they are within or the characters themselves.

9:42 PM

> Simply defining what a [tag] is rarely helps those using it unless the tag's name itself is ambiguous. Excerpts should describe why and when a tag should be used. See the help center for more guidance.

Emphasis mine. There is ambiguity here.

@HDE226868 Yes I agree that it was ambiguous, but it also needed more.

Oh, ambiguity between the characters and the comic series?

But why reject it just because you feel there's more that could be done?

The proposal actually does resolve this ambiguity.

It says that the tag is about the characters.

Which I think is wrong, but the fault is not ambiguity.

DForck42

the ambiguity is ambiguous

9:46 PM

Ideally, all reviewers would have an Improve Edit button, but one only gets that at 4k, I believe.

@Gilles Yes.

@HDE226868 More that NEEDS to be done/

@HDE226868 you only get Improve if you could do an edit yourself.

@Benjamin Your response should not be to tear down the building because you want to make it higher.

@HDE226868 I guess that logic stands.

@Gilles Yes. You get full tag wiki edits at 4k.

9:47 PM

It's frustrating, but it makes sense: otherwise, the system would have to manage a series of changed proposals. What if you're reviewer #2, and you want to approve the original proposal but not the change by reviewer #1?

^ This.

@HDE226868 it depends. It's better to reject a really useless initial suggestion, because that makes the tag disappear from the list of tags that lack a wiki.

DForck42

@HDE226868 but typically in such scenarios the original foundation wasn't built to withstand the added weight by going higher, so you have to strip it all the way down before you can make it higher

@Gilles There's definitely a line here, but I think that the tag is on the right side of the line to approve.

@DForck42 That's perhaps more a failure of my analogy than a failure of my logic.

At the end of the day - to use a phrase I'd rather not - the question of what improvement is enough to approve is sometimes subjective.

@HDE226868 Yes, but it is an amusing failure at that.