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3:08 AM
@Shokhet Sorry it took so long. Let me know what you think. I can poke at it some more if you have concerns.
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I can convert it to grey scale if you want it more black and white, or sepia if you want to kill some of the pink tones.
 
3:50 AM
Top one is sepia, bottom B&W
 
 
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6:51 AM
@Shokhet Congrats!
 
 
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11:39 AM
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Q: Guidelines for good story-ID answers?

Rand al'ThorI've found the solution to somebody's story-identification question, and I'd like to write up an answer. What can I do to make my answer as helpful and high-quality as possible? This post is a companion to Guidelines for good story-id questions?; both asking and answering are skills which can be...

 
 
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Q: Was Odysseus considered unfaithful to his wife in the Odyssey?

Matrim CauthonPenelope is portrayed throughout the story to be virtuous when it comes to men, meaning that she holds out hope for her husband's safety 20 years after she saw him and had no other relationships in that time. Odysseus on the other hand has romantic relationships with 2 people over his journey. ...

 
1:44 PM
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Q: What are the Shadow Children?

Rand al'ThorIn Gene Wolfe's loose trilogy of novellas The Fifth Head of Cerberus, the middle story ("A Story" by John V. Marsch) is the one which gives us the most direct insight into the lives of the so-called 'abos' or Annese, the original indigenous inhabitants of Sainte Anne. The story focuses on the twi...

 
2:30 PM
Was Edgar Allan Poe afraid of being buried alive? https://literature.stackexchange.com/q/2820/481
 
@Feeds no #EdgarAllanPoe?
 
 
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4:37 PM
@Catija Oh wow, thank you so much!
I'm in and out right now, but would be glad to hear feedback from the rest of you; @Hamlet @Randal'Thor @BESW @Mithrandir @Gallifreyan et al.
If you think a photo taken in natural light would be better and/or easier to work with, @Catija, I still have the paper somewhere. I don't have the time right now, but maybe later. (If I find the time while there's still daylight :0)
@Mithrandir No. I'm not sure there's a large enough following of that hashtag on Twitter, but perhaps I should check. Maybe later.
 
user15026
I'd add some sort of tag, the author hashtag seems like the easiest option
 
user15026
Right now it's just kinda...yelling into the void, as it were
 
5:01 PM
@Shokhet I'm going on vacation. I have my laptop but I'm not sure how much time I'll have. If (any of) you want me to do another adjustment, ping me and I'll see when I have time.
 
 
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8:08 PM
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Q: How can I write good answers?

HamletI found a question that I want to answer. I've noticed that answers on this site are, in many ways, a lot harder to write compared to other Stack Exchange sites. How can I write a good answer that is as helpful and high quality as possible?

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Q: Can we change the wording of the primarily opinion based close reason?

HamletThis site deals about topics that are substantially more subjective than the average Stack Exchange site. And as a result, there is a lot of confusion about the primarily opinion based closed reason. I'm little worried about this question. I'm quite new to this site and I read that questions ...

 
 
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10:39 PM
@Randal'Thor > in other words, by explaining why and how and following a "back it up" rule.
Sounds like an objective criteria for adding post notices/deleting answers to me :)
Especially since answers that dont do this arent bad; theyr useless noise
We wouldnt be evaluating whether the answer is corect or wel reasoned, we would only be loking for the presence of an explanation of why and how, and the presence of an attempt to back up claims.
 
@Hamlet I'm not sure how objective it is, really. How much backup counts as "enough"?
How many answers have we had which make no attempt whatsoever to explain themselves, as opposed to just a poor or insufficient explanation?
 
@Randal'Thor 1) quite a few
2) this would be like a close reason, there would be some figuring things out as we went along.
 
Heh. Yesterday I ran into somebody with five-digit rep on other Stacks, who insisted that on RPG.SE, "this is an opinion-based question, so sufficient support for my answer is 'this is my opinion.'"
Opinions are like off-color metaphors; the Internet's full of them but they usually aren't very helpful.
 
I wonder ... if we look at, say, the last 20 or 50 answers posted here, how many would have a post notice slapped on them under your proposed regime, @Hamlet?
There's an awful lot of bad answers which aren't delete-worthy answers (SE even has a canned flag-decline reason just for this use case).
 
10:55 PM
@Randal'Thor admittedly, only about one or two. This would be more for the answers that were posted during the private beta.
@Randal'Thor not bad, useless and noise.
 
@Hamlet In that case, is it worth going to so much trouble for so little benefit? A lot of those answers from private beta annoy me too (and especially the fact that so many of our highest-rep users got most of their rep from posting bad answers in private beta), but eventually they'll be drowned out by our now-higher quality standards as well as hopefully more and more downvotes.
 
@Randal'Thor yes.
1) it's not that they annoy me, it's that they harm the site.
2) it happens less, but there are still useless answers (ie don't back up their claims) that get upvotes.
3) by removing these answers we get a fresh shot at answering these questions.
@Randal'Thor it's kind of unrealistic to expect these answers to get downvoted in any significant way. We have less voters than we did in the private beta.
4) votes don't work as a quality controll system unless answers follow the back it up rule.
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A: Can post notices on the hard-science tag actually do something?

Shog9This is one of those areas where a topic breaks the model a bit. For questions, we have essentially two axes for voting: Closing a question - possible even if highly upvoted - makes it eligible for deletion and prevents answers from being posted, providing strong encouragement for improvemen...

 
There are also upvoted answers which are bad for reasons not covered by what we're talking about. Like this, for instance - it's sourced and cited, but still bad (IMO) for the reasons explained in my comment. And I still intend to answer that question myself, when I can find the time.
 
@Randal'Thor that answer wouldn't be deleted.
 
Or this - an answer based on just looking a word up in a dictionary, without any reference to (or even knowledge of - the answerer admits they haven't read it) the specific work in question. Seven upvotes and accepted.
 
11:07 PM
It backs up it's claims, so it allows people to easily verify the correctness of the answer, and it gives researchers further links to follow up on.
That's what the back it up rule does. It doesn't enforce correctness, it enforces usefulness.
 
Do you have some examples handy of answers that would be deleted under your proposal, just so we have something specific to look at?
 
@Randal'Thor yep
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A: Why does Melville call Washington "General" rather than "President"

muruChecking the Google Ngrams viewer, from 1770 to 1900: We can see that "General Washington" was by far the most common appellation during the years Moby Dick was written and published. I am not an American, so I can only guess as to why this is: His role of the Commander-in-Chief of the ...

Speculation that isn't backed up
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A: What is the "heap of broken images" in The Waste Land?

fi12From this source: (emphasis mine) Adopting a prophetic tone of archaic allusion for much of the poem, Eliot asks, “What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow/Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,/You cannot say, or guess, for you know only/A heap of broken images…” (ll. 19-22)....

Backed up with a link to school, but doesn't explain why or how
Will find more, but I gtg
 
@Hamlet Strongly disagree on that one: the question says "I've heard of Washington mainly as President rather than General; why is he referred to as General in this book?" and the answer solves that issue by proving conclusively that he was usually known by General rather than President at the time that book was written. The answer doesn't back up its speculation on why that is, but that's more a question for History SE anyway.
@Hamlet I thought we were talking about required answers to be backed up, not requiring them to be backed up by 'reputable' sources. I sense a slippery slope here ...
 
11:31 PM
@Hamlet But we have some active users now who weren't around in private beta (e.g. Shokhet), and others who vote more responsibly now than they did back then. If we're not afraid to post in chat saying "here's a crap answer, let's all downvote it", then we could probably reduce the amount of upvoted bad answers. Not sure if we want to do that though - maybe gang-downvoting isn't something we should encourage.
 
11:57 PM
Mm, yeah, don't use chat to accomplish main-site functions. It's very toxic for a community to feel like chat is a cabal making decisions outside the proper channels.
And it's very easy for that feeling to grow.
 
user15026
@BESW Agreed.
 

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