Conversation started Jul 10, 2014 at 14:26.
user116848
Jul 10, 2014 14:26
"I knew we shouldn’t have involved with that guy"-------> Here why not "I knew we shouldn’t involve with that guy"
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
Neither of those are correct.
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
I'm not sure whether you mean "got/been involved with" or just "involved"
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
I knew we shouldn't have involved that guy or I knew we shouldn't have been involved with that guy are correct.
user116848
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 So what would be the correct form?
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
@Arrowfar The first one minus with is correct if you mean to say that he shouldn't have been a part of it.
The second one would be better stated as "I knew we shouldn't have involved that guy"
user116848
Jul 10, 2014 14:30
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Right. So in first one can I say------------> "I knew we shouldn’t involve that guy"
KitFox
KitFox
Wy are you making such long arrows?
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
You need "have" in there.
Don't begrudge a man his arrow length.
His name is Arrowfar, after all.
user116848
@KitFox I can't?
user116848
:)
KitFox
KitFox
You can say "I knew we shouldn't involve that guy."
user116848
Jul 10, 2014 14:31
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You are a good ninja too yourself haha
KitFox
KitFox
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Fair enough.
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
@KitFox You don't think have is necessary?
KitFox
KitFox
thinks
user116848
@KitFox Yeah so "have " isn't necessary?
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
I agree with Kit
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
Jul 10, 2014 14:32
I know we shouldn't involve that guy.
I knew we shouldn't have involved that guy.
I told you we shouldn't have involved that guy.
Ima go do some work and eat some blueberry biscuits.
user116848
@MattЭллен So guys there are two opinions here now. So which is it?
KitFox
KitFox
"Who are we going to involve?"
"Matt, Andrew, Kit, and Reg."
"No, I think Matt is out."
"He's fine. ... Oh, actually, he's in prison."
"See? I knew we shouldn't involve that guy in our activities."
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
I knew we shouldn't involve that guy -> that guy is currently causing a problem
I know we shouldn't involve that guy -> that guy will cause a problem
KitFox
KitFox
Oh yeah. That's better.
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
I knew we shouldn't have involved that guy -> that guy caused the problem
user116848
Jul 10, 2014 14:34
I see. So both Kitfox and ninja are correct.
Robusto
Robusto
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Nice work if you can get it.
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
although the "knew + involve" and "knew + have involved" are pretty close in meaning and could probably be interchanged in some cases
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
@Robusto Indeed.
user116848
okay...
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
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user116848
Jul 10, 2014 14:39
@MattЭллен And here: "How did you know I was with Kenny?" Can I say "How did you know I am with Kenny?"
user116848
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You eat that? :D
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
@Arrowfar They are tasty.
user116848
I see haha
KitFox
KitFox
@Arrowfar Are you with Kenny now or not?
user116848
@KitFox If yes, then can I say "am"?
KitFox
KitFox
Jul 10, 2014 14:41
If you say "How did you know I am with Kenny?" and he is not physically in your presence, you will give the impression that you are dating Kenny.
user116848
Oh, I see.
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
cornbread ninja 麵包忍者
NTTAWWT
KitFox
KitFox
It is more natural to use "How did you know that I was with Kenny?" even though he might still be with you.
Unless maybe you are talking on the phone.
user116848
Yeah, if on the phone. Then?
KitFox
KitFox
"Hey, Mom. Uh. How did you know I am with Kenny? Oh. OK. Yeah. I'll put him on." hands phone to Kenny
Even then, was works fine there.
user116848
Jul 10, 2014 14:44
I see :) Now I get the picture.
KitFox
KitFox
"I'm with the Connor group." "I'm with the senator."
Come to think of it, the present tense tends to imply some kind of affiliation.
user116848
So to be with someone doesn't necessarily mean dating, right? I could be sitting with the person, playing tennis etc. Yes?
KitFox
KitFox
That's right.
Existing near someone else.
user116848
Yeah
 
Conversation ended Jul 10, 2014 at 14:46.