There are quite a lot of anime showing the character playing some sort of musical instrument. However, not all of them show on close-up how the character plays the instrument. Quite a lot of anime hides it (with some other scenes, or use an angle which doesn't show the hand). Some anime just anyh...
There is a meme created from the Death Note manga which details a character yelling at Matsuda and instructing him to swim. (A similar meme was created as a GIF from the anime.)
(And a link to the manga version, since it's quite large: Clicky)
I can't imagine this is the actual dialog for this...
I think that particular question is incredibly hard to make a list for. It's not something that you can collect a list from online, and it's very difficult from memory as well. You have to literally have seen every anime you're talking about, and you also have to know music well enough to differentiate good and bad.
I don't think anyone here is qualified or able (with good reason) to give a full and complete list as an answer.
Concerning the question: List of anime with correct animation of the characters playing musical instrument, also related to this meta post: Do we still like questions asking for lists of anime/manga/etc.?
This definitely falls into the out of universe list and it would seem to abide by the 4 cri...
> This doesn't mean that someone can't answer such a question by posting a link to an already completed list, but if such a list hasn't been created, and assuming nobody has watched every anime ever made (or a satisfyingly large percentage of them) and remembered enough details to create a list, this is going to be answered by committee, and people are going to list the shows that they've seen that match the criteria.
BTW if we're talking about my post here, then I was only discussing questions asking for lists of anime, authors, etc. In-universe list questions are fine with the existing standards IMO.
@Krazer But isn't a resource post generally decided upon and contributed to by the community? Or are we considering all questions which are answerable with resources?
That's definitely not an in-universe list. An in-universe list (basically) means that if you asked a character in the story, they'd understand it. (At least from what I understand as in-universe; if it's not this, we need to change the word we use.)
Anyway I think Jon Lin pointed out the problem with these pretty well. To come up with a complete answer, at least in principle you would need to know about every anime ever. That isn't feasible, so every answer on such questions would necessarily be incomplete.
So we're saying that lists that branch over possibly several series is a bad idea? Indeed, Someone might know one or two, but not enough to answer fully
IMO if the asker can reduce their question to asking about a reasonable number of anime which are well-defined (e.g. everything by Osamu Tezuka before 1980) then it's a workable question. If they can't, then it's essentially a question about every anime ever.
The point is that the burden of demonstrating that the list is reasonably scoped should be put on the asker. There has to be a reasonable way to judge when the list is complete. If not, then we run into subjectivity problems pretty quickly.
tl;dr "These sorts of questions aren't very interesting, and they lead to debate even among high rep users. Rather than allowing them in certain complicated situations, we should ban them altogether to avoid conflicts of opinion and simplify the rules."
Yeah, I tend to think that's a good way to go, too. We've been discussing this since the inception of the site, and still haven't come to a decent conclusion.
Like Logan said, I also haven't seen an interesting list question yet. I might see the answer, nod, and say, "That's cool." But none that I really thought were fascinating, particularly to a wide audience.
I think in situations like the one Jon Lin mentioned ("How many Lupin III movies/specials didn't have Fujiko?") it is reasonable to keep the question open, because it's only drawing from a small set of anime in the first place. But we don't have to include that in the official rules. If the rules are strict, we can be lenient in applying them from time to time when they don't need to be applied, but if they're too loose we're in trouble.
@nhahtdh For an in-universe list, a person only has to be an expert on a single series to tell when the list is complete. For an out-of-universe list, a person has to know about every anime ever.
I don't mean to compare between in-universe and out-of universe in term of subjectivity of the answer. In an in-universe list type of question, if the scope is slightly broad, or the current answer is incomplete and not maintained, the question might draw in other answers which are equivalent in correctness.
@nhahtdh Yes, that is a problem. But that can happen even for non-list questions. If the answer is different in the anime and the manga, for example, we could get 2 answers. Some level of subjectivity is inevitable, but we don't want it to get to the level of comparing anime.
@JNat So how would one scope a question like "List of anime with correct animation of the characters playing musical instrument"? in fairness it has been pretty scoped, but it still asks more of the user than should be expected
@nhahtdh For an in-universe list, a person only has to be an expert on a single series to tell when the list is complete. For an out-of-universe list, a person has to know about every anime ever.
it is as well scoped as it can be
since that is an out-of-universe question, it is hard to better scope it
IMO this is exactly the sort of thing which TVTropes tends to answer pretty well. A wiki site like them can create such lists, with the expectation that they'll be relatively complete after enough people visit and contribute. But we're not really a wiki site, and our activity isn't high enough to be able to do that.
@JNat I'm not seeing any objections to that at this point.
I'm Brazilian and I'm having a hard time locating the manga.
I'd like to know how far along the anime is compared to the the manga, or if the anime will give spoilers to the story (in the manga).
This question Does Zetsu have a word soul? received some good answers a few days back. However, with the Naruto chapter 618, these answers became obsolete or even incorrect. Nothing personal against the people who answered them, but how do we deal with such cases?
Clearly, we cannot restrict que...
I think in situations like the one Jon Lin mentioned ("How many Lupin III movies/specials didn't have Fujiko?") it is reasonable to keep the question open, because it's only drawing from a small set of anime in the first place. But we don't have to include that in the official rules. If the rules are strict, we can be lenient in applying them from time to time when they don't need to be applied, but if they're too loose we're in trouble.
@nhahtdh more like "Questions that asks for an out-of-universe list are discouraged/*sure* to be closed as NC" in the "rules", but occasionally one might slip through
There is a meme created from the Death Note manga which details a character yelling at Matsuda and instructing him to swim. (A similar meme was created as a GIF from the anime.)
(And a link to the manga version, since it's quite large: Clicky)
I can't imagine this is the actual dialog for this...
I'm Brazilian and I'm having a hard time locating the manga.
I'd like to know how far along the anime is compared to the the manga, or if the anime will give spoilers to the story (in the manga).
