Conversation started Jun 27, 2015 at 13:25.
Anonymous
Jun 27, 2015 13:25
@DamkerngT. They don't like deep center embedding.
Anonymous
In general, higher levels of nesting are more easily tolerated at the periphery
Anonymous
That is to say, nesting works better towards the left or right edge of the sentence. Especially the right.
@snailboat Is deep center embedding a linguistic term?
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Anonymous
Your example is an example of center embedding.
Anonymous
That is, embedding in the center.
Anonymous
Jun 27, 2015 13:26
In linguistics, center embedding refers to the process of embedding a phrase in the middle of another phrase of the same type. This often leads to difficulty with parsing which would be difficult to explain on grammatical grounds alone. The most frequently used example involves embedding a relative clause inside another one as in: A man that a woman loves A man that a woman that a child knows loves A man that a woman that a child that a bird saw knows loves A man that a woman that a child that a bird that I heard saw knows loves In theories of natural language parsing, the difficulty with multiple...
@DamkerngT. Of course it is. How could you doubt @snail?
Anonymous
When you do it more than once, you have multiple center embedding.
@M.A.Ramezani True!
Anonymous
When something is deeply embedded, that means it's embedded multiple times.
Jun 27, 2015 13:27
@DamkerngT. Seems you've forgotten the conventions here.
Anonymous
But my emphasis was on the "center" part.
@snail talks, we star.
I can't think of periphery embedding clearly.
I could use some examples, I think.
Anonymous
Jun 27, 2015 13:28
> The ancient manuscript that the grad student who the new card catalog had confused a great deal was studying in the library was missing a page.
Somehow it seems to be more tolerable than 3-level center embedding sentences.
(Still not sure about the criteria for center embedding.)
Anonymous
They're embedded in the center.
Anonymous
Sent[ Sent[ Sentence 3 ]ence 2 ]ence 1
Anonymous
Like that.
Anonymous
Jun 27, 2015 13:34
Except pretend I wrote clause instead of sentence.
Thank you very much for introducing me to a great subject!
Anonymous
Now imagine a sentence with a bunch of relative clauses at the end. Or even just a couple.
Anonymous
If you want examples of stacked relatives, you can look up "stacked relatives".
Anonymous
Or maybe you could look up unbounded dependency constructions. Those are probably a better example.
Anonymous
Jun 27, 2015 13:39
I guess stacked relatives are stacked and not really embedded in one another :-)
This is very interesting!
Anonymous
Hmm, where to find a good example of multiple embedding at the right periphery...?
Anonymous
I think there might be an example in Aspects.
Anonymous
I'm too lazy to check. :-)
I vote for internet.
Jun 27, 2015 13:40
@snailboat How about: Here is the ancient manuscript that had confused the grad student who was studying in the library a great deal.
:D
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Oh! That works! :-)
 
Conversation ended Jun 27, 2015 at 13:40.