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06:39
@HarryCBurn No worries. It's so cool!
06:53
On marked and unmarked language...
For the background, this Wikipedia page should suffice:
Markedness /ˈmɑːkɪdnəs/, a term that originated in linguistics, is the state of standing out as unusual or difficult in comparison to a more common or regular form. In a marked–unmarked relation, one term of an opposition is the broader, dominant one. The dominant default or minimum-effort form is known as unmarked; the other, secondary one is marked. In other words, markedness involves the characterization of a "normal" linguistic unit against one or more of its possible "irregular" forms. In linguistics, markedness can apply to, among others, phonological, grammatical, and semantic oppositions...
I brought this up because of these two questions, which I ran into around more or less the same time:
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A: We will join you in an hour. We will be joining you in an hour

DJ McMayhemThere is usually a difference between "will (verb)" and "will be (verb-ing)". However, for this specific example, there is hardly any difference. Let's take a different example sentence that will make it more clear. In an hour, we will watch a movie. In an hour, we will be watching a movie. ...

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A: Is it okay to say something like "The reason why we pick him lies in it that he is obviously more promising than other applicants"?

Peter Shor What you're looking for is something like a forward-looking pronoun. Other languages may use their equivalent of "it" for this, but what is used in English is often "the fact". The reason we are picking him lies in the fact that he is obviously more promising than other applicants. Other g...

In the former, the OP proposes these two sentences:
> a) We will join you in an hour.
> b) We will be joining you in an hour.
 
2 hours later…
08:44
(cont.)
The answer suggests that both have about the same meaning, with a) sounding more natural and more casual. b) sounds a little bit more formal.
09:00
I believe that this is because join is normally punctual. So, a) (join) would be the unmarked alternative.
Whereas b) (will be joining) is a marked one.
In the latter answer, the answerer suggested that between:
> a) The reason (why) we pick him lies in ...
> b) The reason (why) we're picking him lies in ...
09:31
The answer suggests that if we're going to use a present tense, it should be b).
Though it doesn't say that a) is wrong, it seems to suggest so.
Which makes me feel a bit weird.
09:58
So I commented:
Which one would you prefer between We are choosing to go to Mars and We choose to go to Mars? — Damkerng T. 22 hours ago
To which I got this reply:
@Damkerng: I didn't intend my comment about "the way tenses work in English" to be generalized to more than that particular sentence. — Peter Shor 7 hours ago
So I collected some examples around the web and posted:
This makes me feel a little uncomfortable as you are one of the users on ELL/ELU I highly respect. So I think maybe you assumed a different context from mine, because imho all the tenses are possible, depending on the OP's context, and I think the simple present sounds better in this one. Also, even though pick and choose are not identical, I believe that they are interchangeable (for the OP) in this sentence, and in fact, choose would be the better choice because "lies in" raises the tone of the formality of the entire sentence. That's why I used choose in my comment. — Damkerng T. 4 hours ago
Basically, I think it's about marked vs. unmarked.
In this case, the problem seems to be about the verb itself. Pick (or choose) can be thought of as a punctual action, but it can be thought of as a durative verb as well.
In any case, I think the answer and I agree that it's durative/resultative in the sentence. I think the answer picked are picking because it's an unmarked alternative.
And I prefer pick because I think the marked alternative is a better choice in the context.
In Meaning and English Verb, Leech writes:
> The performative acts discussed here can be extended to include expressions of wishes and condolences such as We wish you every success and I send you my deepest sympathy. Also, in very formal letters the verb write is sometimes used as a performative: I write to inform you that … (But in a more informal style I am writing … is preferred.).
(11 a.)
Some more performative verbs in the simple present:
> We accept your offer. | I dare you to say it! | I deny your charge. | I say the whole thing was kind of weird. | I give you my word. | I refuse to pay for that meal.
> ship-launching: ‘I name this ship Aurora.’
> judge passing sentence: ‘I sentence you to …’
> card and board games: ‘I bid two clubs.’ | ‘I resign.’ | ‘I pass.’
> wills: ‘I revoke all former wills …’ | ‘I give to Warwick College all my books …’
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10:15
Hi
There?
Daring ex couples take lie detector tests in front of their former lovers and answer awkward questions like 'Did you cheat?' and 'Are you still in love with me?'
What if I rewrite these two questions 'did you cheat?' and 'are you still in love with me?'
Does it make any difference?
Or its matter of choice.
Stick with the original. They are in the quotes; treat them as if they are standalone sentences.
So, it should be capital, right?
Yes. As usual.
Thanks. Are you busy right now?
A little. Sorry! :-)
10:23
That's fine. I need your help not now but after sometime. I know sometimes I suck but I need to submit an article to my teacher and it is in English. I need your help to find out the mistakes. It will be in around 200-250 words not that much.
I know it will take your time.
But if you can do something that would be awesome.
I think I am good in English now but still do not feel the confidence.
So, I need your help here. I hope you can understand my point.
I think you're quite good now.
About the correction, be warned that I'm not the best proofreader or editor around.
And sometimes I can be very opinionated (about how a prose should be written).
But I can try. :-)
Let me ask you one thing here. How many marks will you give to yourself if I ask you to give you marks out of 10? And how many will you give me out of 10? But you are great and your help helps me a lot.
(Later, I mean.)
Sure.
Let's say that I'm a 9, I think you're about 7.
10:28
Thanks. Please wait.
wondering if this is more appropriate in another room; but I'm not a strict person anyway..
I am so sorry. I did not understand.
Could you explain it to me?
I mean, we have 3 ELL chat rooms.
Okay.
Originally, I tried to use them differently.
10:30
How can I join it?
You've been in three of them, I think. :-)
Okay.
@user62015 i think lang8 is a good site for your writing to be checked. They allow proofreading for learning purpose :)
@Man_From_India Could you send me the URL please?
(I think that is the name of the site. I'm on my phn, so can't verify it.)
10:33
I think of this room: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/7227/english-language-learners, as the main room. For general stuff about the main site, and for quick corrections, and one-time stuff. snailboat was there. I remember she usually recommend lang8 for corrections of a longer piece.
Wait a sec then.
Oh that is...
Lang8
@Man_From_India Okay. Makes sense.
@DamkerngT. Thanks. Checking.
I created the second room (chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/22937/the-english-learning-cabin) for long-term learning. Learners chat with/help learnwrs and all that stuff.
Copperkettle is there...he is a very knowledgable person. He wrote some fine answer for ELL :)
I created this room for a bit more distilled stuff.
@Man_From_India Yes! He sure can help user62015!
10:36
Yes :)
He seems to enjoy correcting posts on Lang8 too.
@@DamkerngT. Thanks. Could you give me his username please? Which he uses here?
So I can find him.
I also love checking, it lets you learn a lot. But don't have much time. And I'm not at all good at it :(
@user62015 Just Copperkettle
Okay.
How can I find him?
I am not able to find his ID here?
Hmm...use search option. Isn't it working?
10:41
@DamkerngT. I appreciate your help. I will post my message here so you can do the corrections?
It does not search him.
@user62015 Okay.
I haven't seen him here or in ELL stackexchange site lately.
@DamkerngT. and @Man_From_India I know again I am wasting your time but how many mistakes do you see in this (That's fine. I need your help not now but after sometime. I know sometimes I suck but I need to submit an article to my teacher and it is in English. I need your help to find out the mistakes. It will be in around 200-250 words not that much.
I know it will take your time.
But if you can do something that would be awesome.
I think I am good in English now but still do not feel the confidence.
@DamkerngT. @Man_From_India Last for the day.
Let's say you can post it here this time, and see how it goes. Does that sound good enough?
10:45
@user62015 that is fine...we all r here to learn :) so no problem. I will have a look at ur texts.
The following answer is written by Copperkettle...
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A: What does "to be painted shut" mean?

CopperKettle We tried, but the window couldn't be opened. It was painted shut. It was painted to a "shut condition". The process of painting the window resulted in it being shut. The paint got in the gaps between the frames and glued the frames together. So, in order to open the window, you need first to...

U can find him there :)
Thanks. I feel I am a RAW agent and I was assigned the task to find him at any cost.-:)
I will post my article soon. But as my last written work how many mistakes do you find? If you can do that's fine if not then it's also fine.
> I need your help not now but after sometime.
This means you need help. But it's not now. You seek help sometime later.
Yes.
I meant the same thing.
Good...
> It will be in around 200-250 words not that much.
wondering when Man_From_India will say that it should be 'after some time'...
10:53
This sentence is confusing. What do u mean by it?
@Man_From_India Me?
Yes :)
@DamkerngT. :O in that sentence?
Yes. I think 'after sometime' as 'after some time' meaning "later" is still a non-standard.
In that sentence, only a comma before "not now" is fine.
@DamkerngT. Hmmm but is it accepted? I am not very sure.
I don't think so. It's like 'everyday' vs. 'every day'.
10:57
@Man_From_India Like this 'I need your help not now, but after sometime.'.
I prefer a comma before "not now".
I need your help, not now but after sometime.
'some time'
@DamkerngT. Yes right...
11:04
BBL o/
11:44
About sometime vs. some time...
> I’d love to visit Norway sometime.
is fine.
> I’d love to visit Norway after sometime.
is not. It should be
> I’d love to visit Norway after some time.
But it's probably better to use sometime instead of after some time.
 
1 hour later…
13:00
@DamkerngT. I know this one, but I have seen "after sometime" in written English. Most probably they are typos :)
@Man_From_India That makes me curious!
And "sometime" is an adverb...so "after" (a preposition) we can expect a NP.
@Man_From_India Yes, I think sometime can be only an adverb and probably an adjective.
Hmmm....
Ok now i was thinking where have i seen such usage...again in a news app :( (Indian)
I searched Google and there it's :(
13:06
If these are typos, and I'm sure they are, they should be more careful :(
This is very very bad.
nods -- It's similar to everyday, a very common error, even for native speakers. :-)
13:59
About my conjecture 'most people don't like anything nested 3 or more levels'...
> The rat the dog my neightbor owns chased is there.
Very short, yet very confusing.
correct...i like ur coming up with suitable example sentences :-)
Thanks!
But I like this sentence...very good one
14:40
2
A: "curves of a compressor at different speeds" or "curves at different speed of a compressor"

Mel"curves at different speeds of a compressor", is correct. Normally I think we would say, "different speed curves of a compressor" curves of a compressor at different speeds is saying the compressor at different speeds, showing curves.

The answer says...
> "curves at different speeds of a compressor", is correct. Normally I think we would say, "different speed curves of a compressor"
> curves of a compressor at different speeds is saying the compressor at different speeds, showing curves.
But isn't it better to write:
> curves of compressor's performance at different speeds
What if it's about human or man's performance... Wouldn't we have to write this instead?
"curves at different ages of a man"
What if it's about women at different ages?
Wouldn't it sound even more awkward?!
 
2 hours later…
16:31
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A: Preposition at the beginning of the sentence: "After", "by"

Josh ThomasThe first two sentences are correct. Although you technically don't need the phrase "which are" in either of them. Have you tried something like this: After the user introduces some anchors, the range of nodes affected by a single anchor or a group of anchors should be specified. Now I do...

An example supporting my argument that native speakers are not always superior at academic writing.
Dangling participles is one of the common errors native speakers make (and in this case, overlooked).

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