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12:53 AM
11th Commandment: Thou shalt not forget to include babel.
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I was singing the psalm when I look at the song sheet and found something strange with the hyphenation. I had forgotten to include babel, so Portuguese was being hyphenated with English rules! I almost stopped in the middle of the psalm. 12 hyphenation errors in the whole song sheet. :(
I know the house rules: "in ginocchio sui ceci". :)
 
 
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7:12 AM
Would anyone care to comment on my marginfootnotes package (tex.stackexchange.com/a/50942/12850)? I'm a bit at a loss right now whether to go on with it or not. I know there are some obvious shortcomings (no support for oneside, for instance), but the basic idea has been demonstrated, so it really relies on somebody seeing a practical use for it.
 
7:23 AM
@StephanLehmke: I think at least it does the trick
 
 
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8:59 AM
@PauloCereda In this case it's "gin-occh-io".
 
9:16 AM
Hi, I have idea about the question, but I don't know if it's not off topic. I want to collect list of useful lua libraries, together with examples of use with luatex or texlua. Would it be OK?
 
@michalh21 List questions are generally discouraged on the Stack Exchange network but I think there are cases where they can be justified. So you might want to ask yourself whether such a list reflects a practical problem and if there already is such a list somewhere else.
A practical problem for someone working with LuaTeX might be "How can find out what lua libraries there are that are relevant for TeX?"
 
@NN I see. I was thinking about something similar to this question: tex.stackexchange.com/q/42611/2891
And I was thinking about libraries that simplify for example working with lpeg, command line arguments, simplify lua programming etc.
 
@michalh21 I have never worked with lua so I may the wrong person to ask but it seems relevant to me. Make sure to motivate the practical problem of finding such information in the question. I think that will help to get the right kind of list answers.
 
9:38 AM
@michalh21 +1 from me for this question.
 
user19161
Hi @nn I see you are the white square. I am the black square.
 
@WillHunting Hi! Actually my square is transparent.
 
user19161
@NN Oh then your soul must be white if the body is transparent.
 
@WillHunting Though I had a white one some months ago and before that I tried a black one a couple of minutes.
 
user19161
@NN I tried a blue one a few times. I might use it again.
 
9:50 AM
@WillHunting What shade of blue?
 
user19161
@NN Steelblue.
 
@NN: Thank you so much for your brilliant answer.
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A: A simpleton's guide to (...)TeX workflow with emacs

N.N.I have never used Emacs in Windows but I started to learn and use Emacs only eight or nine months ago and I now use it for most of my work. Learning First you need to get comfortable with the basics of Emacs and probably this is what will be your main frustration. For a new user the commands fo...

Everyone else: please read this; in my view it's a model of what a good answer should look like, combining information and encouragement. And please consider upvoting it accordingly
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@DavidCarlisle That damn' something again, interfering with our lives...
 
@BrentLongborough You are welcome! I felt that since I have not used Emacs for long and have thought about how I should learn it frequently over the last couple of months your question was very fitting for sharing my experience and what I have learned so far.
 
@NN Very good, also upvoted!
 
user19161
@NN What a detailed answer! But I will stick to TeXworks with latexmk.
 
9:59 AM
@NN Would it be ok for you to publish this as a separate article on another site, with a link back to your answer here? I would prepare the formatting for you.
 
@StefanKottwitz Of course. Go ahead!
 
@NN: very nice answer indeed. Got me thinking about moving my LaTeX editing to emacs as well. Already do most of my general editing in it...
 
user19161
@StefanKottwitz Is it because it is too long?
 
@NN Great! For the case if you would like to have an account for editing the article later, just send me an email to stefan@texblog.net
 
@WillHunting I wouldn't have thought so; I think it just deserves a broader audience.
 
10:03 AM
@WillHunting It's good that it's long! Fine for this site. I just think, as Brent said, it could be told to more people, and I did not reach much so encouraging about emacs.
 
@RoelofSpijker I was hoping to inspire people to convert in writing it. As I started to get the hang of Emacs I thought "Why didn't I convert earlier?". The first time I tried to learn Emacs I failed and shyed away from it. Then, some year later I was more motivated I guess and started reading Learning GNU Emacs and after I while I converted. Still got loads to learn though!
 
@WillHunting do you already use the newest build of TeXworks?
 
user19161
@StefanKottwitz Oh I use Debian so I just use the version that comes with it. In any case, one can configure latexmk yourself.
 
@WillHunting Ok, I was just curious if you already tried the one which is planned to be released with TL 2012.
 
user19161
@StefanKottwitz Oh no, I no longer use Windows! And also TL does not ship with TeXworks for Linux.
 
user19161
10:07 AM
However it does come with the TeXworks documentation in a full install.
 
user19161
But maybe things are changing? I don't know.
 
@WillHunting There are builds for Debian and Ubuntu.
Here Stefan Loeffler said, there exists a build of the newest version: tug.org/pipermail/texworks/2012q1/005405.html
 
@WillHunting TeXworks is not installed with TeX Live on GNU/Linux systems because they would have to support several different installation methods (.deb, .rpm and whatnot).
 
I just don't see it on code.google.com/p/texworks/downloads/list , but I guess Stefan knows where to get it
 
Happy Good Friday!
 
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10:14 AM
@PauloCereda Same to you!
 
@WillHunting :)
 
@PauloCereda Did you do the penance?
 
@egreg Not yet. :) I'm planning to do the penance during the time we scheduled for the adoration. :)
 
And write 400 times "I will always use babel". Hint:
\usepackage{expl3}\ExplSyntaxOn
\prg_replicate:nn{400}{I~will~always~use~babel\par}\ExplSyntaxOff
 
10:31 AM
@egreg Wow, that'd save time. :P
@egreg: Yesterday, after the mass I said to the Father, "I'm sorry Father, I forgot to include babel in my LaTex file, so the hyphenation pattern got messy." He stared at me and said, "You forgot to include what in what, so what got messy?" :P
 
@PauloCereda Well babel is, among other things, a synonym for the wrath of god, so including it on the psalm sheet might be received with mixed feelings :-)
 
@StephanLehmke Oops. :P
 
haha
 
In fact, having "babel" as an in-synonym for getting languages right is a bit of an oxymoron :-)
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@StephanLehmke True! :P
 
 
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12:09 PM
I guess saying too many thanks is usually frowned upon at stackexchange, but @DavidCarlisle, I just wanted to drop by and thank you a million times over for all the lovely longtables that I am able to construct and tweak because of you!
 
@Ariel Thanking is not frowned upon in chat. It is a great place for more causal communication.
 
1:11 PM
Related content on a million thank you's: dagobah.net/flash/thank_you.swf
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1:37 PM
Happy snark about nothing being open in a secular nation day!
 
@Canageek Want a donut?
 
@Canageek People have the right to profess their religion, don't they? If this means that some shops are closed to allow people going to church, I'd call this freedom. :)
 
@egreg Nono-- A lot of things close because it is easter, that wouldn't normally close on Sunday. There is an old practice here of not working on Sunday, but it is really only practiced on easter. And for big stores with lots of empolyees it makes no sense; just pay the non-Christain ones a bit extra to work Easter.
Anyway, I got lots of compliments on how nice my thesis looked
Thank you all
 
1:53 PM
@Canageek That's LaTeX main purpose: mask the quality of our texts by providing a beautiful output. :P
 
@StephanLehmke Babel is a reference to the bablefish from Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy I bet, which you put in your ear and you understand any language.
 
@Canageek Nice job! I too received compliments for my graduation thesis format, but it was typewritten. :)
 
@PauloCereda I don't think the quality was so low it needed masking. However, I was worried to find out mine was only 22 pages when many were over 50, and one over 70.
 
@Canageek I was just kidding.
 
@PauloCereda Being under half the length of most is reather worrying though.
 
1:59 PM
@egreg How were the math symbols produced? By hand, I suppose?
 
@egreg What typewriter did you use?
 
Aaargh! Emacs is nice, but there are so many things that need tweaking
 
@NN @PauloCereda Symbols by hand. The typewriter was an electric one, Olivetti. With variable width characters. :)
 
in order not to be irritating
 
@BrentLongborough Such as?
 
2:09 PM
is there a non low level tex command for \divide?
 
@someonr No. Unless you use \numexpr; but the division in \numexpr rounds, while \divide truncates.
 
@Canageek I have a custom keyboard layout which is basically all of ISO 8859-1 plus a few Turkish characters. For example, my AltGr-j gives me a dotless ı. I've set everything I can see in .emacs to utf-8, but when I type my dotless i, she puts a dot on it, as if to say there, I know you really wanted 8859-1.
 
@someonr So \divide\count255 by 3 and \count255=\numexpr\count255/3\relax can give different results
 
@BrentLongborough Huh, sounds like something that needs tweaking. Have you asked about it on the normal, programming Stack Exchange? There are lots of emacs people there.
 
@Canageek And then my grave accent is non-escaping, but now I have to type everything twice.
@Canageek Yes, I'm sort of steeling myself for that, but the problem is, I've got thirty or forty questions already.
 
2:13 PM
@BrentLongborough Open or total?
 
@BrentLongborough Did you setup that via Windows' keyboard layout?
 
@Canageek No, just in my poor befuddled mind...
@NN Yes.
 
@BrentLongborough Write them all out and start googling; I'm bettingi a number will be answered on the emacs wiki.
Assuming you aren't like me and can understand a word of it
 
@BrentLongborough Treat your questions one at the time. Make a list and handle them as you get time. Emacs is most irritating to begin with as it is so much different and you try to do everything in the ways you are used to handle things.
 
Someone NEEDS to write an introductory guide to emacs.
 
2:15 PM
@NN I certainly don't want to appear ungrateful, it's just a hypergeometric learning curve.
 
@Canageek I wonder where the babelfish's name comes from...
 
@egreg thx. are there any non integer registers with no unit?
I just need to devide two integers and get some foating number
 
@BrentLongborough Aye, no worries. The first bit of the curve is the worst and I was also about to give up.
 
@NN Yes, I'm pretty certain my reaction is just infantile (or maybe geriatric) frustration like "I wannit now!" :) The worst thing is, I can see how valuable it is going to get for me.
 
@someonr Technically there are no non integer registers. Dimen registers are just integers measured in sp.
 
2:17 PM
@StephanLehmke From the tower of Babel obviously, but that is why you have the package named for letting people communicate. When dealing with geeks nameing things look for Monty Python and Hitchhikers Guide references over Biblical ones any day.
 
@Canageek ... who in turn got plenty of references from the bible ;-)
 
@Canageek ... except for the TeX Scholars (e.g \usepackage{moabite})
 
@StephanLehmke Yes, but in most cases added an appropriate level of disbelief, sarcasm and humour to them. ^^
 
@BrentLongborough I think that is just the reaction most people trying to convert have. That is why I wrote about learning process in the answer. The gist of learning Emacs might be to overcome that feeling and allowing the process to take time.
 
@BrentLongborough Yeah, pretty sure that isn't Monty Python.
 
Stephan Lehmke: ok. So way for division of two integers and getting a float?
btw. can I just assume that it is safe to write to the tex registers?
 
@NN Brilliant (LOL). Guess where I am on that diagram...
 
@someonr I'd recommend the fp package or the floating point midule of LaTeX3
 
@Canageek O'Reilly's Learning GNU Emacs is an introduction I benefited from.
 
@NN I'll have to think about getting it
 
2:22 PM
@someonr it all depends on the magnitude of the integers and the precision of the result you need. There are definitely no floats on register level in TeX, only fixed point.
 
@egreg I'll take a look on this package.
do you know if tikz can do this? I'm using it anyway
 
@Canageek To be honest I have not read anything else on printed about Emacs so I do not know if it is good in comparison to other introduction books.
@Canageek haha, nice diagram
 
@NN I've never read anything printed on it, but hte online help all assumes you know what you are talking about already. IF I KNEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT I WOULDN'T NEED HELP.
seeth seeth
 
@someonr Oh, yes: it has a very powerful floating point support
 
2:24 PM
@egreg good. I was remembering something like this.
 
ctan down?
 
@someonr Seems I cannot reach ctan
 
@NN Ordered! That's enough stress for today, I'm gonna go back and play with N++ to cool my fevered hypothalamus
 
@BrentLongborough As you start to expose your hypothalamus more and more frequently to heat it will eventually stabilize. In the end you will be neurologically addicted to Emacs.
 
2:30 PM
@NN Yes, I'm beginning to get that feeling. emacs is like a beautiful, intelligent woman, playing hard-to-get (sorry, is that sexist?)
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@BrentLongborough Learning Emacs is a bit like learning a new keyboard layout. Takes time and sweat.
@BrentLongborough Emacs is like an operating system with its own history. It has a flavor and mindset different from many other environments. Takes time to think differently.
 
@PauloCereda Very good. Glad there was only one plus-sign, though.
 
@BrentLongborough Phew. :) If there were two, it would be personal. :D
 
@NN I remember reading a copy of Byte magazine, once (maybe in the mid-90's), with a review of something called Mince, standing for "Mince is not complete emacs". Still haven't quite worked that one out.
 
2:35 PM
 
@NN Good times. :)
 
Argh. How can a web site be XHTML invalid (closing </ul> missing), but its source via copy & paste into the same validator is valid.
 
@StefanKottwitz Maybe some char is missing in the process, it already happened to me. :( or the error is right above the "offending" line, so it's a false positive.
 
No chance to find if the copied code is valid, I guess
Ah, found something strange. The validator doesn't "see" certain parts somehow, as I see in the code it translated. Can be fixed.
 
@StefanKottwitz Yay!
 
2:44 PM
Hehehe; my cat is not happy that the door is closed, locking him in, so he gave me a dirty look and went back under the bed
@NN What I want is all the emacs keyboard shortcuts, but without the whole 'emacs as your OS' mentality.
 
@Canageek He is waiting for you to pass by and he will jump in your leg. :)
 
@NN It is really annoying; If I want compatibility with other tools, vim is great. If I want a text editor that doesn't suck, emacs is great. There is no middle ground with sensible keyboard shortcuts, power and good integration with other things.
 
@Canageek You do not have to use all the features of Emacs. Just use the commands you want and do not mind the other features. With today's computers performance of Emacs is no issue.
 
@NN I'm not worried about that, but I would like a version of emacs that doesn't look and feel like it is from Windows 3.1
 
Of course Emacs is not always the ideal
 
2:49 PM
@NN It still doesn't have eye-pleasing gradiants and such :(
 
@Canageek That it is text based is good for compatibility, e.g. it is possible to run in a terminal
 
@NN I fail to see why you can't still do that; just add a GUI layer on top of that, like nethackw does.
 
@NN In order to lessen the burden of learning the emacs keyboard shortcuts I would highly recommend the ergoemacs keybindings created by Xah Lee, please do check his webpage out. He has a lot of great advice for novices (I used it extensively in the beginning). Even though many in the emacs regime consider him a troll I think he has some key points,
 
@zeroth Emacs keyboard shortcuts are the one part that I like
 
I would not consider using his own emacs version due to community difficulties in the start of the learning curve.
 
2:51 PM
I agree it could look better. It was something that irritated me while I started to use it. As I have used it more and more I do not think it looks as bad. Dunno if it depends on me accepting bad looks and getting used to it or if it is me understanding the concept better.
 
@Canageek I am not opposing the shortcuts, simply how they are defaulted. Ctrl + x +f for opening a file, why not Ctrl + o?
 
@NN The terminal version looks better in many ways then the GUI version
@zeroth C-x <non-text command> is standard. C-x s to save, C-x x to close the window, etc
 
@Canageek Xah Lee created his bindings as they are more intuitive. And I have to agree!
 
@zeroth But probably less fast once you get used to them. My one problem is the meta key was chosen for an older model of keyboard then the one currently used.
 
@Canageek Exactly my point. Why three strokes when two? I know the standards, and I used them and was quite happy about them. But when one uses them so often why not make it easier for one selves.
 
2:55 PM
@zeroth Because it is pretty fast when I want to save and close? Also C-s does something else, I can't remeber what. Also I already know most of them, and found they work quite well, since I can move around documents so quickly.
 
@Canageek Less fast? Which? Meta keys are always a pain. However they can be circumvented by editing the keyboard layout to change keys to react in a different manor.
 
@zeroth I've heard of using caps lock for M, but mine is the On/Off kind :(
I wish I could have emacs keys in n++, it has far better bracket highlighting and syntax colouring.
 
@Canageek I am glad you are fond of them. Each to their own preference, however as I noted I think that his key styles are a more easy for new comers. And also he has his keybindings for DVORAK!!!! WUHU! :)
@Canageek But isn't n++ capable of customising that? It has been a long time since i used it...
 
@zeroth Not that I know of, there is a way to change windows to use them, but I don't like mucking with windows on that low a level.
 
@Canageek And another point of not using caps lock is that it is a very large key, and you would typically press with your little finger.
@Canageek Ok, probably the best thing :)
 
3:00 PM
@zeroth Why not? right beside your finger, so you can hit it quickly. Also mine has fallen off (I need to take my laptop in for maintince next week v.v)
 
@Canageek if you are interested in Xah Lee's motives see xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_kb_shortcuts_pain.html
 
@zeroth I WANT THAT KEYBOARD
@zeroth I spot a mistake in his logic; On my keyboard, and most IBM ones, the control key is in hte same position relative to the main keyboard as the one in the Space Cadet keyboard.
@zeroth That is, just to the left of the Z. The keyboard on his is wider, , so alt fits in under the X on mine, whereas on his that is still spacebar.
 
@Canageek I had changed ctrl and caps lock for a certain amount of time, however it become painful , i switched back... :)
You probably want this even more then:
 
@zeroth image not found
 
Hmm, I can see it perfectly... It shows in the chat...
Seach for Maltron Keyboard! :)
 
3:07 PM
@zeroth Looks painful to type on. I want my microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000/… but with more meta keys
 
I prefer a keyboard cheap enough for me to dare drinking and eating near it
 
@NN I do drink and eat at that; it has lasted me.....hmmm, 5 years? The one before (also from Microsoft) was even longer.
 
@Canageek It is ergonomicly constructed, i think it would be nice, overkill yes, but nice! :)
@NN Agree!
 
@zeroth I dought it is as comfortable as my pleather wrist rest, but I'd try it.
 
@Canageek What about Logitechs many "gamer" keyboards, they have countless meta keys (albeit expensive!)
@Canageek :)
 
3:11 PM
@zeroth They interface with the OS in dumb ways, not just by sending another keyboard code. They actually send a code to some software that holds macros. Also not arranged as meta keys from what I've seen.
 
can I compare two floating numbers in tikz?
 
@someonr Yes: \pgfmathparse{ifthenelse(1.1==1.2, "Yes","No")}
@Canageek Ahh. Ok.
 
@zeroth thx, couldn't see it in manual
 
@Canageek But then you are still limited to what meta keys are installed by the keyboard modulator in the os, in nix systems this is relatively easy to accomodate. In windows, i do not know if it can be done...
@someonr You are welcome.
 
@PauloCereda yikes. I never thought a million thank yous could go on that long. I quit at 700. And even that was a bit frightening.
 
3:16 PM
@zeroth Not sure either. Shouldn't be too hard, as you do similar stuff in other langages I tihnk
 
@Ariel My bad. :) I couldn't resist posting it. :)
 
haha I think it gets a bit stalkerish after around 200.
 
@Canageek But that is still software handled, i suppose. I think you cannot get past a macro step of some sort. I would however, be very interested in keyboards of such sort. I am constantly rebinding keys in the os to do certain stuff. However, sometimes i overlap with software, and that can turn out nasty...!!! :)
 
@zeroth Depends if the keyboard sends it as 'Key 105 pressed' or 'Key 101 then 63 pressed'
 
@Canageek Yes. but for meta keys i would adopt the first circumstance as it meta's the key. If that makes sense... :)
 
3:23 PM
@PauloCereda bad seed. kind of grows on you. I now want to send it to other people over the net. But I have a feeling some will consider not helping me once they see it. ;-)
 
@Ariel Oops! :P
 
My keyboard, mouse setup.
I spend a lot of my periferals, since they last so much longer if you do
@zeroth Right, but I don't think most keyboards do that. What is REALLY annoying is how underused the Windows key is, right there, wasted. Only has a few shortcuts, but the OS grabs it as its own.
 
@Canageek I agree. Very nice. I would love to have "draw out keyboard". However, the first models i have tried broke by stress. (maybe i rest my hands too much on that pin... :)
 
@Canageek You ought to try autohotkey. I think it can grab most of them back
 
@Canageek I agree on you there, however the windows key is rather new. In nix it is however very easy to utilise it!
 
@zeroth ikea. Really sturdy stuff.
 
@NN I guess this settles that nix users really want more meta keys, however they do not have the power to add more, due to market issues. As soon as a meta key hits the market it will be adopted for special needs! I like!
@Canageek I have to go back to ikea now! :)
 
@zeroth Got this a LONG time ago though, not sure if they still sell it, probably not, also not 100% positive it is ikea, though most of my stuff is. Looks like ikea.
From twitter
PLT Alain de Botton ‏ @PLTAlaindeB
Lisp is like punk or goth fashion. Unchanged after decades, still popular with a subculture, and always looking weird to the mainstream.
Retweeted by Emacs Knight
 
@Canageek If they had that model with pressure pins (haven't got a clue what it is called in english) it would be very nice!
 
@zeroth What do they do?
 
3:33 PM
@Canageek raise and lower the entire table...
?
 
♥ Lisp ♥
 
@zeroth No, and I'd have to take everything off the desk to do that. This one is fixed height, the other (non-computer) desk I have has changable legs, but you have to screw them up and down one at a time.
@PauloCereda Didn't know you were an emacs person, Paulo.
 
@Canageek ahh, I want with a button... No screw drivers `\Rightarrow` more production == me happy :)
 
@zeroth No screwdriver, like, the two parts of the legs twist up and down.
 
@Canageek I'm not a big fan, but I do have a huge respect for emacs. :) In Mac one of my favorite editors is Aquamacs. :) In general, I use Vim (even in Windows) with some plugins, colorschemes and key bindings already deployed. I used emacs for the first time when I was actually learning Lisp. :)
 
3:38 PM
@PauloCereda sigh aquaemacs, one of the few things I respect Mac for. The other being better keyboard shortcuts.
 
@Canageek Yes, much like a regurlar office chair with a pressurised pin to push it up and down, the same concept, just for tables. At my office i use it to change position from sitting to standing.
 
@zeroth OH, and it is strong enough to do that with all your stuff on it?
 
@Canageek I can relate to that. :)
 
My Dad's office layout.
 
@Canageek sure thing, I think they prescribe a 30kg capability
 
3:42 PM
Yes, those are two printers (Colour and B&W) and a record player wired to is computer.
And yes, he uses beer bottle caps and slide rules (My grandfather/his father's engineering slide rules) as decoration.
^^
 
@Canageek It reminds me of my desk; but I have nothing under it: everything is on the desk. :)
 
@egreg You'll note he ran out of room.
His keyboard is much more boring then mine; Logiect gaming keyboard. He needs the lighed numbers as he can't touch type, whereas i can on both split and flat, though my typos go up when I switch, though only for a little bit.
 
What is the intention of this question?
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Q: Excursus environment using mdframed: Issue with page breaks

feculededentierThis question is a follow-up question to: Access mdframed node coordinates with TikZ? @MarcoDaniel: Awesome package (mdframed)! Nice clean code, too. @Tobi: I really like your new excursus environment! However, there is an issue when it splits on pages: the first box (\mdf@putbox@first) is sent...

 
4:27 PM
what catcode do I need for a \def#1/#2{something fancy}?
 
@someonr What do you really want to do?
 
@egreg sorry. I meant something like \def\test#1/#2{do something}
 
@someonr Nothing fancy: when you call \test, everything up to the first / is the first argument, the second will be gathered as usual: one token or the next braced group.
 
@egreg I'll play a little bit more with this
 
 
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5:59 PM
I have a longtable defined as \begin{longtable}{>{\raggedright}p{4.2cm}rrrrr} but I need one of my header cells to be small and centered to fit. So I tried {\footnotesize\centering{Oneheader}}. This doesn't center the "Oneheader" though it does make it footnotesize. Any ideas where I am going wrong?
 
6:11 PM
Got it to work with this hack: \multicolumn{1}{c}{\footnotesize Oneheader}
 
 
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7:14 PM
I always run pdflatex to convert tex to pdf. Are there any alternative engines that people use?
 
@Ariel It's still the best. For particular works one can consider XeLaTeX or LuaLaTeX. The \multicolumn is the correct solution.
 
Thanks @egreg Clueless tinkering on the latex template sometime produces results. :) I will take a look at the other engines - wasn't sure of what they were.
 
@Ariel XeTeX (and XeLaTeX) is useful for applications where OpenType fonts are necessary. It's still not as stable as pdflatex.
 
Sometimes I have slightly "smeared" fonts so I was wondering where the problem lay. Getting rid of T1 enc and using the lmodern fonts have helped somewhat. Changing viewers from evince to okular helped as well. I am still unable to pinpoint the source of those smears.
 
@Ariel You probably don't have the CM-super package installed. Are you using MiKTeX?
 
7:28 PM
@egreg No I am on texlive 2011
 
@Ariel In a full install the CM-Super fonts should be present. What does tlmgr show cm-super (from a terminal) tell?
 
I don't have them!
Installing them right now. So basically, if I install them the fonts will be embedded in the PDF?
And maybe it was you but in one of the posts lmodern was recommended over the default sans serif. I was under the impression that cm fonts were different from lm fonts... Ah found this post: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1390/latin-modern-vs-cm-super (reading it now)
The summary of that thread seems to agree with what I thought, both cm and lm have their limitations for screen display - so someone recommended usepackage{ae}, hmm
 
7:53 PM
@Ariel The CM-Super are a Type1 version of the European Modern fonts (the T1 version of Computer Modern). Don't use ae, it's obsolete.
 
ah - so what do you use lmodern or cm-super (with I assume the T1 encoding line in the preamble)
 
@Ariel The CM-Super are chosen automatically if no particular font is selected. Sometimes I use lmodern or other fonts. It depends on the day. :)
 
8:39 PM
First arara, now I want a project named quati. :)
 
@PauloCereda Has arara been released?
 
@egreg Not yet, I'm finishing the manual. But the code is already "stable" enough and the repository created. :) I'll try to release it until the middle of next week. :)
 
@egreg Don't be an urubú about arara.
 
And it's Java 5 compliant too! :P
 
8:53 PM
 
@egreg: I'm writing an answer about double space. I know I should avoid this at all costs, but I'm providing a \linespread solution. The OP wants the double space inside an environment, and simply using \linespread{1.6}\selectfont inside it does the trick. Can I say that this change in the line spread is local due to the environment?
The text outside the environment is not affected.
 
@PauloCereda Yes. What's a quati?
 
@egreg Yes, and the expression is somewhat related when applied to people. :)
 
@AlanMunn We use "avvoltoio" (vulture) in a similar sense.
@AlanMunn How nice!
 
@egreg I'd say it's a cousin of a raccoon. :)
Fun fact: quati comes from tupi, which mean "long nose". :P
When a quati falls off a tree, it covers the face with the paws. The nose is the weakest point. :)
 
9:11 PM
Paulo Cereda -- just now .... a few microseconds later .... upvoted :P
 
@percusse awwww <3
Thanks. :)
 
@PauloCereda I have a trigger happy voting button finger.
 
@percusse 40 votes are not enough for us. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yes I need a perk for an vote increase. I might have an extra hand grenade and a flashbang too.
Sorry lately I'm watching incredibly horrible WW 1 videos. I'm literally terrified. So I vote to relax :)
 
@percusse It's a therapy. :)
Out of curiosity, I clicked in one of the "related questions" list:
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Is "Coffee" a valid answer?
 
9:26 PM
 
Santa has arrived early with dark shadows!
That's a valid horror movie title
 
 
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11:30 PM
@egreg, sigh, thanks:-)
 

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