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4:00 PM
@BernardoMeurer With what ?
I think king's rule is more useful here
 
I mean, doing an u-sub
on e^x actually
 
Okay. See what happens
 
$$\int_1^2\frac{1}{(4-u)u}du$$
 
@anonymous yes, that's my room. is a bit inactive as currently I don't have really wild ideas I need to model or calculate yet
 
Now if I divide that fraction somehow
 
4:03 PM
@BernardoMeurer Write the numerator as $\frac{1}{4}((4-u)+u)$
 
@anonymous Hum?
 
There will be more stuff there once I at least finish Munkres
 
@BernardoMeurer You wrote the numerator like that ? Now separate the fraction into two terms
 
I mean I don't see why I can do that
 
$\frac{1}{4}((4-u)+u)=1$. Isn't it ?
$1$ is the numerator. So you can do that.
 
4:07 PM
AH
I see
I was being silly, the parenthesis confused me
 
Hehe
Now its easy
 
Sure, now I can pluck the 1/4 out
 
Yep
Solve it
 
around 0.27465 is the ans
 
4:14 PM
$$\frac{1}{4}(\log(2)) + \frac{1}{4}(\log(6)-\log(5))$$
Hm
I did something wrong
 
Yeah
Something is wrong
Write out the steps
I can help you spot
the error
 
Well after I re-wrote the nominator I got
$1/4\int_1^2\frac{1}{u}+\frac{1}{4-u}$
 
@BernardoMeurer That should be 1/4 at the front
not 1/2
okay next
 
Oops, right on paper, just wrote it badly
Hmm
Then I did
$$1/4\int_1^2\frac{1}{u} + 1/4\int_1^2\frac{1}{4-u}$$
$$1/4\log(u)_1^2 + 1/4\log(u+4)_1^2$$
 
@BernardoMeurer How did you get u+4 inside the second log ?
That is wrong
 
4:22 PM
By being stupid
should be $-\log(4-u)$
 
yep!
done
 
There we go
$\ln(3)/4$
 
yesss
 
I have a proper hard one now
 
bring it on :D
 
4:28 PM
$$g(x)=\int_1^x\sin(t^2)dt\\ \text{Show that }\int_0^{\sqrt{\pi}}g(x)dx = \sqrt{\pi}g(\sqrt{\pi})-1$$
 
@BernardoMeurer Just substitute $t^2=z$
 
Will that work? I'm not doing it like that
I'm using integration by parts
 
Yes try by parts if you can
 
I got
$$\int_0^{\sqrt{\pi}} g(x) = x\int_1^x \sin(t^2)dt - \int_0^{\sqrt{\pi}} x\sin(x^2)dx$$
 
@BernardoMeurer Now what ?
 
4:36 PM
@anonymous Now we cry a bit
 
On left side the value is a constant. On right side there is a function of x
You did something wrong
@BernardoMeurer
 
@anonymous Hm
Actually that's better written as $$\int_0^{\sqrt{\pi}} g(x) = [xg(x)]_0^{\sqrt{\pi}} - \int_0^{\sqrt{\pi}} x\sin(x^2)dx$$
There, now it's fixed
 
Yes
Now it seems right :)
 
Wtf is the primitive of $x\sin x^2$?
 
Hint: $2x$ is the derivative of $x^2$
 
4:42 PM
Ah, yeah, ofc
just usub
 
So $x\sin(x^2)dx=\frac{1}{2}\sin(z)dz$
Got it now?
 
$$\frac{1}{2}[-\cos(u)]_1^{x^{\sqrt{\pi}}}$$
 
yep
done
good work
 
Wait, we just ended up with
$$\int_0^{\sqrt{\pi}} g(x) = [xg(x)]_0^{\sqrt{\pi}} - \frac{1}{2}(-\cos(x^{\sqrt\pi}) + \cos(1))$$
 
@BernardoMeurer Eh? Put in the bounds of x.
in the cosine term on right
 
4:48 PM
Hm?
Write it out
 
$\frac{1}{2}[-\cos(u)]_1^{{\pi}}$
 
Ah
derp
I looked at the wrong boundaries
it'll just be $1/2\cos(1)$
No wait
$$\int_0^{\sqrt{\pi}} g(x) = [xg(x)]_0^{\sqrt{\pi}} - \frac{1}{2}[-\cos(u)]_1^{{\pi}}$$
 
Looks okay
 
what's cosine of 1?
 
Put in the bound
 
4:53 PM
Huh?
1 is the bound, no?
 
how did you get 1 there ??
Oh damn
 
it's the bound
 
Hi all
 
@anonymous We must've done something wrong somewhere
that whole thing to the right should be -1
 
Welcome @JohnDoe
 
4:55 PM
Do you think the $\hat{k}$ is a typo in the following pic?
 
obe
hihihi
 
@obe hi! Where is 0celo7?
 
obe
he should be back in a few days.
 
90 days is a long time
 
obe
I think
tbh it went by so fast
 
5:02 PM
you left too :P
 
obe
lmao
 
:D
@JohnDoe do you have any more context?
 
@anonymous any ideas?
 
Uff...net problems
@BernardoMeurer How did you get the lower bound as 1 ?
It isn't 1
The lower bound is 0.
 
By being stupid
it's 0
 
5:06 PM
Is the chat exchange server faulty today or is my net not working :/
It is getting disconnected automatically
 
Ok here.
 
@thoughtforfood This is a description of an electromagnetic wave, a monochromatic plane wave.
 
@BernardoMeurer yeahh!!
you got it
 
@anonymous Solved :)
 
I'm wondering where is the n-hat in the pic? @JohnDoe
 
5:08 PM
@BernardoMeurer what's next?
any more integration ? :P
 
There will be soon
I have to solve a couple of series first
 
@BernardoMeurer What series?
 
@thoughtforfood It's just showing the generalization of $kz$ in the one dimensional case where we have $\mathbf{\tilde{E}} = \tilde{E_0}e^{i(kz-\omega t)}\hat{x}$.
 
@anonymous Analyse though w.r.t. convergence/divergence and calculate the sum of one of them
 
5:15 PM
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5:27 PM
@SirCumference I made something pretty mediocre but do you like the idea? (msg me back for the link)
 
how to evaluate $$\lim\frac{\sqrt{n}n+5\sqrt{n}}{n\sqrt{n+1}+3n+1}$$
Ah, it's 1
 
obe
wolfram alpha?
what's the limit?
 
@obe $+\infty$
 
obe
yes because the only thing that matters is the $\sqrt{n}n$ and $\sqrt{n+1}n$
 
Exactly
 
6:29 PM
@obe Sure, show me
 
obe
6:50 PM
@SirCumference
it's meh
but do you like?
 
@obe Dude, that's sick! 'Course it could use some work, but you're way more creative than I am
I can create designs other people show me, but I suck at coming up with them
That's a really nice idea
 
obe
thx
 
Although it really doesn't need to be entirely blue...
 
obe
lmao
what colour?
theme?
 
Well I actually like the blue here, but just asking for you to not only do blue ;)
It fits for now though
 
obe
6:53 PM
:D
I fixed it a bit
do you want the background to be like the banner?
or grey?
 
Hmm...can I see a with and without?
 
Is this on area 52 yet?
 
obe
dafuq is that
3
 
For new site proposals
 
@thoughtforfood It's "area 52"
You know, like the alien place?
 
obe
6:59 PM
???
 
The number is 51, everyone :P
 
Hmm, this is a tough choice...
 
And it's for proposing new sites, not designs.
 
Can you show me a whole webpage-sized version?
@ACuriousMind Oh my god, did I say 52...?
I need sleep
 
obe
LOL
@SirCumference ok
 
7:02 PM
How about area 50.999... @ACuriousMind :P
 
obe
@SirCumference
ummm
I didn't go all the way down with the stars
because
it's difficult to look random and it would take a while to do it right
 
Hmm...this is a tough choice
 
Sleep on it.
 
I got it!
OK, I can program an options panel that lets you select from either the one with the background or the one without
So could you send 2 versions?
 
obe
just choose...
note that it's not centred in the screenshot
I personally like the blue one better
 
7:05 PM
can't you send both?
It's hard to choose when I don't have the site in front of me
 
obe
I can but
it's a dumb idea to switch back and fourth
just sayin
since they're too similar
dude btw I can do way better than this
I made this in 30 mins between classes
 
Well I guess, if you're able to send both, then I can test each and give a response
 
obe
I want to try
facet art
it's difficult though to do it right
 
@obe I know :)
 
obe
I'll send it in the evening
because
I made this in photoshop since I'm faster in there
now I need to remake it in illustrator
 
7:35 PM
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8:03 PM
@anonymous Halp
 
Yo :D
@BernardoMeurer
 
$$|\int_v^u f(x)dx| \le k|u-v|$$
Trying to prove this
 
@BernardoMeurer What is k?
 
Some constant
and $f$ is a function limited on $[a,b]$
 
@BernardoMeurer As written, there is nothing to prove. The statement is true for any choice $k \geq \lvert \int\rvert / \lvert u -v\rvert$ :P
 
8:07 PM
@ACuriousMind Let me translate the whole question then
 
Well the integral just gives the area under f(x). And $|v-u|$ is the base of the rectangle. So the area under the curve must be less than maxima*base of rectangle ( |v-u| ). I think they mean k is the maximum value of f(x).
 
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@ACuriousMind Please delete the first one
 
@BernardoMeurer Just draw a few diagrams. You will get it. $k$ is just the maximum value of the function in the given interval.
 
8:16 PM
@anonymous No drawing allowed, solution must be analytical/algebraic
 
@BernardoMeurer If you understand it diagrammatically first you can easily translate it into algebra :)
 
Anyway, I moved that around a bit and got to $$|\int_v^u f(x)dx| \le k|u-v|$$
 
@BernardoMeurer Yeah, exactly!
You are close
 
@anonymous I see why it's true though, I just don't know what to write down to explain it
 
@BernardoMeurer What to write? You should ask your examiner. Just say that k is the maximum value of f(x) in the given interval
And that area under f(x) is always lesser than
maxima times the base of rectangle
 
8:22 PM
Meh, I guess it's good enough if I write something like this
$$|\int_v^u f(x)dx| \le \int_v^u k \le k|u-v|$$
 
$$|\int_v^u f(x)dx| \le |\int_v^u k| \le k|u-v|$$
 
Ah, yes, yes the abs
 
Fair enough :P
 
Does anyone know why the ring jumps even when a DC current is passed initially ? youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7KyVIJ1iE
I mean the magnetic field doesn't change direction. So why is the ring repelled ?
 
8:30 PM
As you close the switch the magnetic field started to build up as the DC current increases in the initial stages. Hence there is a change in magnetic field in the initial phase
 
@Secret Yeah, say the magnetic field changes from 0 to B in the upward direction. The lower face of the ring attains a South pole like configuration. So it should be attracted to the coil rather than be repelled by it ? Isn't it? @Secret
 
remember the ring is not attached to the coil. Thus when the coil gain a south pole like configuration, Lenz law will induce a current in the ring to produce a south pole to oppose it
 
Today's SMBC is a riot.
 
@Secret Aha!I get it! Lenz law. Now suppose we keep a DC current on for a long time then will the ring remain attracted to the coil?
I mean the ring should eventually be magnetized by the magnetic field of the coil which is obviously larger than the induced magnetic field in the ring due to Lenz law
 
Nope, suppose, you do manage to prevent the ring form flying away in the initial phase, after the DC current stablises, the field also stablises. Hence the effect from Lenz law dies away and the ring will no longer felt anything from the coil

However, since aluminium is paramagnetic, then yes you will expect the ring will over time be magnetised to the same direction as the coil, thus when you let go of the ring, it might end up attracted to the coil and refuse to move up (until you switch off the field of course, which then the aluminium will demagnetise slowly afterwards as the spins rel
 
8:41 PM
@Secret Thanks a lot :) I got it now !
 
8:52 PM
@dmckee Where can I sign up?
 
I'm doing a calculation to find the formula for the resonance frequency and height of the building.
I have the resonance frequency of buildings with different heights.
I know wavelength, wavespeed etc
If Resonance Frequency = k x Height
and log(f) = xlog(H) x log(k)

How should I find x and k?

Thank you
Equation should turn out to be: f = k x H^x
 
shouldn't that be $log(f)=xlog(H)+log(k)$ to give $f=kH^x$ ?
 
oh
sorry i wrote it down wrong
it should be that yes
do you have any idea??
 
In that case, your log equation is a linear equation (where log(f) is plotted against log(H)), thus x and log(k) can be obtained as the slope and the y intercept respectively)
 
ohh
yea
and then you can find out the x?
and after that, you can use that equation to find the resonance frequency of any height?
thank you so much!
 
9:01 PM
yup, just like any other loglog plots, provided the range of heights and resonance frequencies are roughly linear under the logs
 
why didn't i think of that XD y = mx +c
 
In physics and chemistry, it is very common to linearise equations in order to plot them as straight lines since curve fitting is harder than line fitting. Of course, not all equations can be linearised hence in more advanced cases, nonlinear fitting is needed
 
@Secret Unless you're for some insane reason fitting the curve by hand, I don't see why anyone would linearize equations for that.
I don't think the computer cares how "hard" it is to fit/plot a curve :P
 
That is not really true, my honours experience told me that fitting nonlinear curves are often more time consuming (as there are more optimisation steps going on in nonlinear least square fitting than linear ones) and at the same time the fitting itself is more error prone and you can end up with a range of nonlinear curves of the same base function all seemly fit the data
 
9:10 PM
do you guys know how to find y intercept on excel?
 
so whenever an equation can be linearised, it is often best to do so because the fitting is usually more robust
 
Wait
 
@Wdoctor123 type =Intercept(<your cell>)
 
When you say "linearized", what exactly do you mean?
 
It means given some curve, we apply functions on it so that it can be made into the format y=mx+c
 
9:12 PM
That's...not what linearizing means.
 
do i select entire cell?
 
At least, I guarantee you that most physicists will understand a "linearized" equation as one where non-linear terms have been discarded by some sort of approximation, e.g. Taylor expansion to first order.
 
Acuriousmind: ok I used the wrong term, let me dig the correct term...
Wdoctor: sorry correction: you type =Intercept(<y cells>,<x cells>)
 
Doing e.g. a log-log plot to get a nice straight line as a graph instead of the power curve is not linearization of the equation, it's just changing the axes on your plot.
 
how do i type in cells?
just drag them?
 
9:15 PM
you just highlight those relevant cells when you reach that entry
 
@Secret However, when you are fitting a curve to data with uncertainties, your linearization might change the weighting of the data points.
 
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@Loong Can we account for that by propagating the errors accordingly, (e.g. taking account of the effetc of logs and other functions?)
@Wdoctor123 Here's an example: =INTERCEPT(C8:C19,D8:D19)
where the cells you just hightlight them when you get to the relevant entries
 
I did that and some how it doesn't work XD
 
@ACuriousMind I really like the idea that the outer space is a vacuum cleaner.
 
9:19 PM
it says you are missing a parenthesis
 
C8:C19 should be your known y values, and D8:D19 should be your known x values. Is your cell for the intercept looks like mine when you highlight the equation?
 
i got it
it some how worked when i just used the function thing
 
@Secret In principle yes. Then you would have to tell your fitting algorithm to use the new errors as weight.
 
I see, that won't be much of a problem then since my uni always train us to propagate all errors whenever we manipulate the data
 
btw how do you know if that is x or y intercept?
 
9:28 PM
the INTERCEPT function defaults to find the y intercept, so that is accounted for. To get the x intercept instead, after you fit your curve (hence getting the y intercept and slopes), set your y value to zero and find x
 
I don't know what I did wrong but it gave me really small value
it is nearly the same value
but just smaller? for some reason
i got the k and x
so i plugged in to f = k + h^x
 
the intercept you get is log k, you need to 10^ it to get back k
also is your x very small (hence the line is very flat)? that might be another reason for that?
 
oh shit yea
so how should i convert it?
f was in hz
height was in cm
oh
got it
 
also your equation should be log (f) = log (k) + xlog (H), as your original equation is f=kH^x
 
yeap
got it
everything is sorted
thank you so much
 
 
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