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12:00 AM
That's why I have a problem. And I don't know then how to write my mechanism
Can I write an attack from my alkene double bond on the aldehyde without have trouble with the teacher after an exam ? ^^
 
Probably not.
 
Jan
What’s wrong with writing a chelate like ortho did and then having the formal carbanion (where magnesium is sitting) attack nucleophilicly along the Bürgi-Dunitz trajectory?
 
look at that velvety redness
 
lemme guess
2-nitroaniline or some derivative thereof?
 
1,3-bis(diphenylphosphino)propanechloronickel (II)
 
12:07 AM
damn
 
srry i didn't let u guess my bad
 
never mind, I was incredibly off anyway :P
 
n nitroanilines would be way more crystally
this is a fine powder
also, more orange or orange-red than velvet cake red
 
@Jan This is a little bit tricky to draw
 
now... I have to figure out how to assign the damn thing's IR spec.
 
12:09 AM
@gannex easy O:)
 
yeah i know
 
Do it with EPR to see what happends :P
RPE*
 
no access to an EPR right now
 
I know what EPR is, but not RPE o.o
 
12:11 AM
In english this is EPR ^^
RPE is in french
 
Ah, I see
 
Jan
> I was at a real loss trying to ignore NMR data and justify IR data. However, now I am happy to do what I normally do, and ignore the IR data and explain by NMR. (source.)
One of my favourite quotes from the answers sections of Chem.SE.
 
hmm what are these huge bands a 21599 and 2028
 
@gannex where do you see them
 
2159 and 2028
 
12:16 AM
Still don't see where you're looking
^^
 
whdya mean where?
 
Are you speaking about what Jan shared ?
 
no I'm talking about my IR
 
OH ok ^^
 
:P
back to work for me!
 
12:18 AM
Going to sleep for me soon
 
Jan
@gannex chloridonickel(II). Also, it’s missing a counterion if it’s just chlorido (and not dichlorido).
 
12:56 AM
oh I was being a dummy
it's probably the metal metal bond
oops
no I'm thinking of something else
@Hexacoordinate-C what do you think about the Planck length? The possibility that there might be a "time atom" makes me think that the idea of us moving as 3D "frames" through a fourth dimension. I guess the planck length is just the length of a time frame
and then does that mean that Zeno's paradox would be solved if the existence of the planck length could be proved?
 
1:21 AM
For me time does not exist and it is just an artefact for calculus because it's easy for the brain. Also sometime I share some articles which I think are amazing but I don't know everything about them. I don't know what Zeno's paradox is
Oh I know
Zeno = Zénon ^^
Well Zeno paradox is not really a paradox since we know this is possible for an infinite sum to converge
 
tu est FrançaisÉ
?* :P
 
Is there a reason why NH4 is named ammonium? It doesn't seem to follow the rules
 
does anyone know how to figure out IR vibrations of weird bonds like Re-Re or Re-Cl?
are there like estimated force constants I can use? idk how to deal with this delta bond.
 
Jan
It follows ammonia. Which is retained traditional naming afaik.
A~nd I’m off top bed.
 
nite Jan
 
 
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2:36 AM
In gas chromatography (capillary), do they call it "evaporator temperature" or "injector temperature"?
I come across evaporator temperature, but this might be by non-native English speakers
 
 
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5:22 AM
Is there a website where I can just "discuss" chemistry? I have a lot of doubts regarding my ability as a student and I feel like having a forum/open outlet would be good in helping me determine whether graduate school is something I should pursue. (I feel dumb all the time.) :S
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6:02 AM
Anyone want to retitle this? It needs it, but I'm at a loss for what to title it:
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Q: Why would this chemistry reaction happen?

cgug123 So, I am a first year chemistry student and I saw this chemistry reaction on a previous year's test. I attempted to figure out the mechanism, but I'm rather confused as to how the cyclopentane somehow donates a carbon to the cyclobutane? Why would such a rearrangement occur? That is how far ...

 
@MelanieShebel Like, chat about whether or not to pursue chemistry? I don't think reliable advice about that can be found on the internet.
@MelanieShebel Something like ''Why would this rearrangement happen between cyclobutane and cyclopentane?'', using OP's words
BTW, @Melanie, technically that upper case title was better, but I'll leave it at that
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Q: calculation of concentration from 2 pH points and pka : CHALLENGING

Terpene OttoThis is 4000 level pH problem. It is not a simple pH practice problem A 10ml solution of Acetic acid has a pH of 2.250. Next, 0.001 mol of solid sodium hydroxide is added to the solution. The solution now has a Ph of 3.526. The Ka of Acetic acid is 1.730*10^-5. What was the concentration of Acet...

CHALLENGING PRO VITAL 4000 IS ON SALES NOW
 
 
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7:46 AM
Can we say about a headspace vial (in gas chromatography) that it was "equilibrated at 90°C for 20 min"?
A Russian guy with a PhD in chemistry says that this is the correct phrasing.
I do not believe him though on this count.
 
7:58 AM
@CowperKettle I think so
Stationary and mobile phases are in an equilibrium in has chromatography
 
@M.A.R. Isn't this strange "equilibrate" + 20 min?
The verb "equilibrate" is not "extended in time", IMHO
 
Mhm.
The little I studied about chromatography wasn't in English, so let's wait for other responses.
 
I prefer "incubated at 90C for 20 min"
 
8:19 AM
I wonder if I can write "Dissolve the sample ultrasonically for 18 min"
Again the verb is not continuous
While in Russian "dissolve" can be used thus
It's minus 25°C, I'll try to ride my bicycle several blocks to a friend.
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Will probably need the ski mask
 
 
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11:18 AM
@CowperKettle Damn... it's 3 deg C here and I'm already nearly dead.
Maybe, "the sample was dissolved with sonication"? But I'm not sure, I've never written anything about sonochemistry before.
 
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Q: formaldehyde strong odor neutralization

garniOne of our customers used a very high dose of formaldehyde 37% solution (60 liter formaldehyde in 40 liter water) for disinfection in his chicken farm (saloon). Now he says the odor of formaldehyde is very strong and can`t start breeding season. How can I help her? Can he neutralize formal...

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11:35 AM
What does binary fluorides mean
 
12:33 PM
Sodium Sodium Sodium Batman
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Q: How to correctly write "7 apples" according to the international system of units (SI)

pasaba por aquiAccording to international system of units, we can write "7 kg of apples" to refer to the mass of these apples. However, if we want refer to the amount of apples, that is, the number of entities, the unit should be the mole. Thus, how to write correctly "seven apples"? ** Addendum ** Is i...

umm...
wut? O.o
 
@getafix I try to write an answer.
 
1:00 PM
@Loong I'm not even sure I understand the question haha
 
1:17 PM
@getafix I have just answered. I hope that I have got the right interpretation of the question. ;-)
 
@CowperKettle Was his name Ivan Neretin by any chance? ;D
Hiya @Loong @getafix o/
 
@AaronAbraham hi
 
@Loong Nice answer there! :3
+1
 
@Martin-マーチン Exactly what I was thinking!! :D
 
Oh @Loong @orthocresol Would you happen to know if D and L are the abbreviations of something else? (D-L convention/ Fischer-Rosanoff convention)
Since Fischer was German, I'm assuming that the expansions of D and L (if there even are any expansions) are in Deutsch ._. Hence the poser to Loong.
 
1:30 PM
You are talking about small caps D and L, right?
Those simply indicate that the enantiomer you are talking about is chemically related to D- or L-glyceraldehyde.
If I'm not wrong, D-glyceraldehyde is the dextrorotatory isomer and L-glyceraldehyde is the levorotatory isomer.
 
@orthocresol Yeah, but do they have any expansion? Kinda like d stands for dextrorotary and l stands for laevorotary.
@orthocresol I have a bad feeling about that ._.
 
@AaronAbraham Yes, it's the same for smallcaps D and L (latin dexter and levus).
Now I want to invent a system using "port" and "starboard". ;-)
 
Great, I'm lost...
@Loong My book explicitly mentions that D and L do not necessarily correspond to d and l ( which are used to denote optical activity)
@Loong So I'll take exception to "same" ;D
 
1:46 PM
The (D,L) and (d,l) system is the same only with glyceraldehyde.
D-glucose is related to D-glyceraldehyde by chemical transformation.
d-glucose is related to d-glyceraldehyde by the same sense of optical rotation.
By coincidence, D- and d-glucose may be the same enantiomer, but not necessarily so.
 
Okay! That's cleared ^
Alright you two! @Loong and @ortho I know the R-S and the D-L (small caps) conventions are defined differently, but do (for example) molecules which are classified as the R type necessarily mean they're also classed under the D (small caps) type?
 
@AaronAbraham hey
 
@getafix Allo! o/
 
@Loong Great answer! although I am still not sure about what the question wanted. haha :)
 
@getafix ಠ_ಠ
 
1:54 PM
@AaronAbraham (d,l) is (+,-) (different notation)
 
Yeah...I figured ;P
 
D, L is configuration..(d,l) is sign of optical activity
cool.
 
@AaronAbraham Carbohydrates have multiple stereogenic centres, so one Cahn-Ingold-Prelig descriptor isn't sufficient.
 
@Loong @ortho I asked the last question since, well, I saw this...
 
The exception is glyceraldehyde, which has one chiral centre.
 
1:56 PM
^ Yep
 
D- and L- pertain to the absolute stereochemistry at the chiral carbon furthest away from the carbonyl group.
In glyceraldehyde, that's C-2; in glucose, it's C-5.
 
absolute? Not relative??
 
Absolute.
The relative stereochemistry is what defines the name of the molecule
 
Hold on a sec.
 
Whether it's glucose, galactose, mannose, etc..
 
1:57 PM
!!wiki/Absolute configuration
 
An absolute configuration in stereochemistry refers to the spatial arrangement of the atoms of a chiral molecular entity (or group) and its stereochemical description e.g. R or S, referring to Rectus, or Sinister, respectively. Absolute configurations for a chiral molecule (in pure form) are most often obtained by X-ray crystallography. All enantiomerically pure chiral molecules crystallise in one of the 65 Sohncke groups (chiral space groups). Alternative techniques are Optical rotatory dispersion, vibrational circular dichroism and the use of chiral shift reagents in proton NMR and Coulom...
 
> By relative configuration: d- and l
> By absolute configuration: R- and S
 
I stand by what I said.
 
Hey @ortho. can I flag this?
 
D- and L- are descriptors of the absolute stereochemistry at C-5 of glucose.
 
2:00 PM
> Not sure if this is meant to be a joke or homework. – M.A.R. 2 hours ago
 
@AaronAbraham they are absolute..they unambiguously tell you the stereochemistry at the relevant stereocenters.
 
@orthocresol Ohhh! It's absolute by virtue of that definition you gave huh?
 
I'm sorry about this actually. It's really hard to describe stuff without drawing it out
 
it is reflection invariant
 
Alright guys, I give! They're absolute.
@orthocresol Nah, don't push yourself...yet.
 
2:03 PM
Do we not have anything on this on main site yet? I feel like Jan wrote something before.
 
if there is more than one stereocenter, and you look at the name.. it would say something like (R,S)...reflect it and you get (S,R)
same thing..reflection invariant..thus relative.
 
@getafix unless it's tartaric acid ;)
 
@getafix But what about D and L glyceraldehydes? Aren't they mirror images of each other? Perhaps they aren't always mirror-invariant?
 
They are mirror images.
That's precisely why they indicate absolute stereochem.
 
@orthocresol yes, but let's not confuse the poor soul yet
@AaronAbraham yup exactly my point
reflect D- you get L-
not the same thing anymore
 
2:05 PM
ALRIGHT!!!!\
Wait...
Ah crap...
@getafix Then why would dextro and laevo be any different?
d-l
 
what the wikipedia article (probably) meant is that the stereochem is determined by analogy to glyceraldehyde ..hence they call it relative (to glyceraldehyde)
d,l is optical rotation..
 
@getafix That makes sense :D
 
it is an experimental quantity..you stick it in a polarimeter and measure it
 
(d,l) = (+,-)
 
2:06 PM
@ortho can I flag M.A.R's comment here?
 
i would discourage the use of (d,l)..i hate it
 
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Q: How to correctly write "7 apples" according to the international system of units (SI)

pasaba por aquiAccording to international system of units (SI), we can write "7 kg of apples" to refer to the mass of these apples. However, if we want refer to the amount of apples, that is, the number of entities, the unit should be the mole. So, what's the correct way to denote "7 apples" in accordance wit...

 
@AaronAbraham free country :D
 
@getafix As do I...I stick to + and - ;)
 
D-, L- (or R-, S-) tells you nothing about the optical rotation..
in general
also, @AaronAbraham remind me to answer your PEG question in a few days..
I have some references..
but no time
and I am absent minded
that is if you are still looking for an answer :)
 
2:10 PM
Sure will :D Thanks!
@getafix I am ;)
 
@AaronAbraham you can
 
@orthocresol I just did ^_^
@ortho I still feel that question was decent enough...that O.P (being a newbie here...judging from his rep.) might get discouraged by that comment.
Oh great, another doubt; is this correct?
Shouldn't just the C-5 exhibit an 'inversion'?
But the configuration at the C-2,3,4 are also 'inverted' ._.
 
Which is why I said, the relative stereochemistry dictates what the name of the molecule is.
the "trans/trans/cis" pattern between the OH groups is characteristic of glucose.
once you've set the relative stereochemistry, then you only have to determine the absolute stereochemistry of one stereocentre for all the rest to be determined.
The D/L notation sets the absolute stereochemistry of the last stereocentre.
By virtue of it being glucose, the other stereocentres are then set.
 
Wait, wait...
Reiterating what I said earlier:
> Shouldn't just the C-5 exhibit an 'inversion'?
Shouldn't it?
 
if only C-5 exhibits an inversion, then it is a diastereomer, agree?
an entirely different compound
 
2:24 PM
:O
Give me while...to pull myself back together after that shocking revelation ._.
 
In bio-organic chemistry, a hexose is a monosaccharide with six carbon atoms, having the chemical formula C6H12O6. Hexoses are classified by functional group, with aldohexoses having an aldehyde at position 1, and ketohexoses having a ketone at position 2. == Aldohexoses == The aldohexoses have four chiral centres for a total of 16 possible aldohexose stereoisomers (24). The D/L configuration is based on the orientation of the hydroxyl at position 5, and does not refer to the direction of optical activity. The eight D-aldohexoses are: Of these D-isomers, all except D-altrose are naturall...
 
reading it
 
summons somebody else to talk about this
I have to go.
 
Ah well, thanks!
By the way...approved flag?
 
if you see both enantiomers of glucose, the hydroxyl groups are trans/trans/cis - do you get what i mean?
speaking kinda loosely
 
2:29 PM
@orthocresol No :'( Are you taking about the groups at C-2,3 and 4?
 
2-OH and 3-OH are "trans"
on opposite sides of the Fischer projection
 
@orthocresol Yeah, with respect to each other ._.
 
yes.
That's a relative configuration.
 
sigh I'm screwed...
 
trans-trans-cis means glucose.
trans-trans-trans means idose.
 
2:31 PM
@ortho Oh! I get that now!
 
trans-cis-trans means galactose.
etc. etc.
 
Whoa! (That actually kinda makes it easier to remember the configurations) :O
 
now, there are 2 different types of trans-trans-cis, right?
 
Yeah!
 
so those are D- and L-
 
2:32 PM
NOW I GET IT!
 
and you assign those based on the absolute stereochemistry of C-5.
 
@ortho ಠ_ಠ
You've just won yourself a sock (づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ
 
suspends myself
 
@orthocresol Can you actually do that? wonders
@ortho Nice answers! ;)
The sock just got to work 3:)
 
2:53 PM
@AaronAbraham I didn't say that D and L correspond to d and l. I said that D and L as well as d and l come from latin dexter and levus.
 
@Loong So both have the same expansion?
> I didn't say that D and L correspond to d and l.
Yeah, I realised now...sorry for being an idiot >.<
Say @Loong, do you know if D (-) Glucose even exists? I can't seem to find anything on it online.
 
3:17 PM
^ @ortho ._.
 
@AaronAbraham D-(−)-glucose doesn't exist.
(−)-glucose is the L-isomer.
And (+)-glucose is the D-isomer.
 
You're talking about small caps @Loong ?
 
@Hexacoordinate-C What do you mean
 
@Hippalectryon Salut o/
 
@Hexacoordinate-C It's quite logical since tea is an abreviation for triethylamine
@AaronAbraham o/
 
3:22 PM
@AaronAbraham Yes, smallcaps ᴅ and ʟ. Does that show correct smallcaps in chat?
 
@Hippalectryon Merci pour @Chemobot. C'est tres utile :D
 
Nov 15 at 12:54, by Quantum CAPUCCINO
@Chemobot what is love?
What the hell >.>
I don't remember coding this
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@Hippalectryon :-D
 
(Oh if my French sucks, excusez moi)
 
3:23 PM
ooh :D
@AaronAbraham :-)
 
@Loong XD
 
Your french is actually very good @AaronAbraham
 
@Hippalectryon =*_*=
Flattered
@Loong Ja, Kamerade ;D
 
@AaronAbraham :D
 
3:26 PM
@Chemobot Hi :-)
 
@Loong Hello
 
IT'S BECOMING SENTIENT
 
Oh damn they've noticed :c
silent mode on
 
@orthocresol More like...@Hippalectryon manipulating it ;P
 
@AaronAbraham I have no idea what you're talking about :-P
 
3:28 PM
@Hippalectryon Of course, pardon me and my muttering ;)
!!img/@Hippalectryon
 
Apparently it no longer recognizes it's creator :(
....
I see...it's got feelings :D
@ortho, Sorry for pinging ya; but just curious: Do you happen to remember any mnemonics you've used during your undergrad Chem. course? Can you pass on a few? ;)
!!img/La France
 
No result found.
 
@Chemobot @Hippalectryon 3;)
@Hexacoordinate-C o/
 
3:40 PM
:D
Weren't you 9-BBN?
 
Yes I was
 
Just curious; why that username?
 
Have a look on my profil ;)
 
Aha!
> I don't know anything, but I do know that everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.
That one's my favourite Feynman quote :3
 
I prefer the one on my profil ^^
 
3:44 PM
Ah well, "To each his own" they say ;)
 
Yep
Well I m going to teach piano see you
 
@AaronAbraham I have one for memorising the f-block.
That said, no sane chemist should ever have to memorise it.
It's only because they don't give us the Periodic Table during exams.
 
@Hexacoordinate-C Adieu o/
@orthocresol NO!
I mean...apart from memorising the periodic table...
 
But that's about it really.
The idea is that, since you do a lot of chem, it should become second nature to know where each element is.
 
Oh...well...thanks anyway, I guess. :)
 
3:51 PM
The thing is that we don't do a lot of f-block stuff, so that doesn't become second nature.
 
@orthocresol exactly
 
I've got the d-block down pretty well and I didn't stare at it to memorise it, just did a lot of organometallic chem.
What would you really need mnemonics for, anyway?
 
I had to stare at the d-block for like, 3 years, before I memorised it >.<
 
Remember the triads instead of the rows - that makes it much easier and it is also much more useful in terms of predicting chemical properties.
 
@orthocresol Just hoping you had some handy ones with you...you know, general Chem...perhaps I might've found it useful; you never know ;)
 
3:53 PM
Can't think of anything else, sorry ;)
 
@orthocresol Aren't the Triads obsolete? ( Are we talking 'bout the same "Triads"?)
@orthocresol Nah, I'm fine ^_^
 
I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm talking about 3d/4d/5d congeners.
For example, Cr, Mo, and W form a "triad" so to speak
I don't remember anything after radium, but I don't have to anyway, so...
 
D.I.F.F.E.R.E.N.T T.R.I.A.D.S
@orthocresol That sounds useful :O
 
in fact that's kinda how i remember the entire table
If you asked me what comes after arsenic, for example, I have no clue
I'd have to go: N, P, As, Sb, Bi; O, S, Se, Te, Po
and then I can tell you that selenium comes after arsenic hah
 
Kinda like my situation :(
 
3:58 PM
I just find it easier.
 
New Popes Assign Subordinate Bishops
 
But do whatever works for you.
 
N,P,As,Sb,Bi ;)
 
Oh... after doing a couple of tutorials on p-block chem I just remember those..
 
@orthocresol Roger!
Oh wait, you are free tomorrow, right?
 
4:17 PM
@M.A.R. I mean chat about chemistry in general. In a less formal format than here.
 
@orthocresol If you do alpha spectrometry or reactor chemistry, you would automatically memorize about half of the actinoids.
Anyway, there is a Karlsruhe Nuclide Chart in every room. ;-)
 
@orthocresol In Germany?
 
4:33 PM
Ugh, I wrote a lecture script on reactor chemistry maybe more than ten years ago, and now I just wanted to see if it is still available on the internet. And then I found a Greenpeace study that is quoting from my script. :-(
 
@CowperKettle U.K apparently :/
 
ah, indeed!
I confused Ortho and Loong
 
@CowperKettle ?
 
I mean, I .. forgot the verb
I mixed up Ortho's and Loong's place of dwelling (UK, Germany)
 
ok
 
4:35 PM
entschuldigen sie
 
@CowperKettle Oh wait, sorry! @ortho's at the North Pole XD
@CowperKettle I'm not sure what entschuldigen is ._.
 
@AaronAbraham excuse me in German
 
@CowperKettle Isn't Sie supposed to be "You"?
(My Deutsch isn't all that great, sorry. )
 
@AaronAbraham Ja, Naturlisch
 
@Loong How the heck do you memorise that?
@CowperKettle sigh
 
4:38 PM
My German is horrible
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Bis bald
 
Ah well, we're both in der zusammen Boot ;)
@CowperKettle Tschüss
 
@AaronAbraham You don't have to memorize that when you have a nuclide chart. But you will eventually rermember a part of it when you work with it.
 
satisfied with Loong's explanation
 
5:05 PM
This is the loong and the short of it. (0:
Noun: the long and short
  1. (idiomatic, usually followed by of) The gist; the essence or substance; the most important or salient features.
  2. The speech went on for hours, but the long and short of it is that not much has changed since last year.
 
5:57 PM
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Q: Chemical reaction that produces a colored gas?

A.FallahI am searching for a chemical reaction that reacts in small space and produces a harmless and colored gas. This gas should not be spread to the air. Please answer my question as soon as possible. Thanks a lot

Note to self and @Ortho: Considering how ''find me a chemical/reaction'' and ''shiver me timbers'' questions are more common than personal medical and even AMIRITE, we should definitely have a policy about these.
 
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