Root Access

Burgi

3:00 PM

> Added The Cat Protocol to firmware...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob I need to poke mine then

Bob

No.

Not unless it's a mobile modem.

Burgi

:33120277 depends on your service provider and tariff

i get 500 free SMS messages, anything over that is charged at 12p/msg

Journeyman Geek

er. That's a known troll

Burgi

what is?

Journeyman Geek

3:12 PM

the user who I just nuked

Burgi

i think you should start saying "smite" instead

its more fitting for your status

3:29 PM

3:42 PM

(removed)

ooh, GTX 1080 price dropped again

bwDraco

Okay, thermal paste applied, heatsink reinstalled. Hang in there...

Dog

You already bought one right?

Bob

@Dog Yea. My card lets me claim price drops within 6 months.

Dog

"Activate Windows" => "Your product key is in use on another computer"

Of course it is, it's a departmental server license -_-

Bob

$1149 => $1128 => $1080 => $1059

So I've gotten $69 back so far, probably $90 by the end of this week :)

@Dog ...MAK?

Dog

3:53 PM

"On how many computers have you installed this copy of the software" => "1" => Oh no! You've exceeded the maximum number of computers...

WTF

Isn't it hilarious when Microsoft dishes out promotional deals but can't get their licensing system to have a clue...

Like those Windows 8 Retail =>10 upgrades that are supposed to give you a retail, transferrable license, but actually the system's incapable of doing it so you have to contact support who just give you a new retail W10 key

Bob

@Dog So... not a MAK?

caub

finally I go to the fan :) i.imgur.com/m4aXOlIg.jpg

Dog

@Bob Bugger if I know... Technet

caub

should I get 1 or 2?

Dog

Lol, did the manual activation thing and entered "0" for "How many computers have you installed" and it works now... -_-

I never knew you could even enter 0... all these years I've always just put 1

Bob

3:58 PM

@Dog old one will probably fail to activate later

Dog

@Bob Eh, these two VM's have been running fine for 3 years...

Bob

@caub you should use longer links actually tappable on mobile

Dog

Both up the entire time.

caub

@Bob hehe I did it because they were so long, sorry

Dog

Lol, try to press enter after typing the code to finish the process => "Sorry, you can only enter numbers in this field"

headdesk

Bob

4:00 PM

@caub you should not get either; they both look dodgy as a hell

Dog

Who get both what? :-/

Oh I didn't even see the links -_-

@Bob Hmm, both look generic and cheap to me, but not at all dodgy

caub

small linkies, yea, they are the cheapest one

High Performance White Thermal Grease, they say :)), but yea I know.. for that price it could just be tooth paste

bwDraco

Machine's up and running. Applied enough AS5 to span almost all of the main GPU die with a little bit past the die and into the black area in this image:

7 hours ago, by bwDraco

Bob

@Dog still not something I want near my computer... who knows what they put in it? o.O

I can get a tube of decent paste locally for $8; $15 for better stuff

bwDraco

I know AS5 needs at least a few hours to cure (they say 200 hours of ongoing thermal cycling but my research says more like 8-24 hours) but I'm stress-testing it right now with the GPU overclocked.

Bob

4:05 PM

@bwDraco uhm... if you can tell exactly how much you covered, something's wrong :P

bwDraco

I pulled it off and checked.

Bob

@bwDraco ...which introduces air bubbles

bwDraco

I didn't see any obvious gaps in the paste layer, and I know not to do this too much.

Bob

I just do that X method (thanks to @JourneymanGeek) in one go

bwDraco

First time doing it, so had no idea what to expect.

Bob

4:06 PM

you're really not supposed to pull it off at all

bleh

it should still work better than the old stuff

bwDraco

Still running a bit hot but some time is going to be needed before the temps settle.

It does look like it's taking a bit longer to hit the throttle point.

Dog

@Bob Meh. As long as it doesn't actually dissolve the heatspreader, I don't see the harm. After all they found that even the likes of toothpaste, chocolate, and lipstick work fine as thermal compounds :-P

ArtOfCode

@bwDraco is this a CPU?

bwDraco

@ArtOfCode GPU: GeForce GTX 780M.

ArtOfCode

ah

Bob

4:09 PM

@Dog as long as you're happy with replacing it every other week! :P

actually, the real risk is if it's runny and conductive...

otherwise, you've just wasted some money

bwDraco

archive.techarp.com/showarticle600c.html?artno=840&pgno=0

About 8 hours to cure with a drop of about 3-4 C.

caub

when you're developer, can it be worth to get a laptop with SSD instead of HDD? it's probably faster

bwDraco

We'll see. I expect temps to drop and throttling to decrease as this progresses.

Bob

@caub it comes down to whether you can afford it and how much storage space you need

bwDraco

Load removed. Idle temperatures used to be about 58-60 °C; let's see if this has improved measurably...

caub

4:13 PM

oh I never need more than 100G

Bob

@caub if you're sure

bwDraco

Heat extraction seems to have improved.

Waiting for some objective numbers...

caub

it's good you don't need a house heating

Burgi

wtf... we have the following kit just sat in the basement:

iMac 21.5inch Late 2013
iMac 21.5inch Late 2012
iMac 21.5inch Late 2013
iMac 21.5inch Late 2013
iMac 21.5inch Late 2013
iMac 21.5inch Late 2013
iMac 24inch Early 2009
iMac 21.5inch Late 2009
iMac 21.5inch Late 2013
iMac 21.5inch Late 2013
iMac 21.5inch Mid 2010
iMac 21.5inch Late 2009
iMac 21.5inch Late 2013
iMac 21.5inch Late 2013
Mac Pro

caub

doesn't like macs

Burgi

4:17 PM

roughly £7100 of hardware just sat around

bwDraco

...idle temps have stabilized about 4 °C lower than before. I expect further drops in several hours.

ArtOfCode

@Burgi don't suppose you've got any spare macbooks as well?

Burgi

@ArtOfCode none on the spreadsheet, but that isn't to say there might be a load in a cupboard somewhere

ArtOfCode

@Burgi if you do find any, I hear @Seth is looking, so he might be interested in talking to you about those.

Burgi

i think they might be offered to staff first and i think we will ship to anywhere in the UK

caub

4:26 PM

@bwDraco how often

oops.. do you change thermal paste?

bwDraco

First time in nearly three years of service. Machine's been through a lot.

System shipped with IC Diamond.

That thermal paste had completely dried up by the time I removed the heatsink (which I've never done before).

amazon.com/Arctic-Silver-AS5-3-5G-Thermal-Paste/dp/B0087X728K

Accept no substitutes.

caub

ah ok, well it's normal that it dries after 3 years

bwDraco

GPU used to idle at about 59 °C.

Right now I'm getting 56 °C.

caub

silicone is more insulating or conducting heat?

Hennes

yes

bwDraco

4:36 PM

Temperatures no longer spike as much under load, too.

caub

@Hennes :))

djsmiley2k

reading some old chat - I've used baccardi and JD to clean heatsinks before

caub

but seriosuly

Hennes

Hard to resist. L)

djsmiley2k

@Burgi i'm interested if the price is reasonable

bwDraco

4:42 PM

Just ordinary 70% rubbing alcohol. Had to scrub rather aggressively, though, leading to visible scuffing on the heatsink (IC Diamond is rather harsh because it contains nanodiamond particles).

djsmiley2k

@caub do you mean to ask 'does Silicone act as a insulator or conductor of heat?' ?

scubbing isn't great, that means there's more ridges to fill

I'd actually polish slightly with heatpaste in that case

then apply normally

bwDraco

I don't think it really matters, the new thermal paste will cover it up.

djsmiley2k

isn't diamond an insulator o_O

Hennes

We just should use something nicely heat conductive like uranium in heatsink paste.

bwDraco

lol

caub

4:45 PM

@djsmiley2k yes, it seems more an insulator en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone. But for thermal pastes you'd want the opposite I guess

Hennes

That might actually work very well. But selling it might be hard.

djsmiley2k

liquid copper plz

Hennes

But they could add stickers with (Uranium inside!)

caub

isn't gold a goof conductor too?

djsmiley2k

lets just inrreversabily bind the die to the hsf :D

caub

4:46 PM

silver is, ofc

bwDraco

@djsmiley2k Thermal adhesives do just that, and are used in certain applications that require permanent installation.

djsmiley2k

yah? cool

i rareely change my hsf after installyiong

bwDraco

The amount of AS5 used in this application amounts to slightly more than a grain of rice, but less than that of a pea.

djsmiley2k

tho i do sometimes remove them for cleaning

caub

hmm will take the gray one, it conducts more

djsmiley2k

4:49 PM

more metal in it most likely

lithium works too iirc

bwDraco

5:07 PM

Machine is in sleep, cooling down for thermal cycling.

allquicatic

Got a big idea in the shower: Fight DDoS by promoting voluntary consumer awareness of their participation in DDoS. Step 1: ISPs make available a standard API with OAuth2 that gives realtime account-level data volume metrics (up/down). Step 2: A non-profit org working in the Internet's best interest (EFF, for instance) calls ISP's API during times when a massive DDoS is happening and tries to correlate who might be unknowingly contributing.

Step 3: emails / texts sent out to those who are observed to be fully saturating their connection over an extended time during the DDoS, asking them to confirm "yes, it's me" or "no, I'm not doing anything" and then giving them steps to try and isolate the source of their high bandwidth usage.

DavidPostill

@allquicatic Great idea, but good luck with getting it implemented :)

That Brazilian Guy

@allquicatic This requires the final user to (1) care, (2) do anything.

Burgi

5:30 PM

@Dog ????

Dog

@Burgi Replied to wrong message

Burgi

ah ok

djsmiley2k

@allquicatic yeah great

cept 'customers' dont care

that's why this crap happens

They don't care, and are ignorant

Dog

@djsmiley2k I'd just threaten to block them though

djsmiley2k

If they did care, thjey'd not use dodgy bad devices in the first place

@Dog I just want some greyhat to write a worm to brick the devices already

It's not like this is some small scale thing we can just ignore./

Dog

5:33 PM

It's like when they pleaded ignorance to their kids downloading illegal content... until the lawyers came around

djsmiley2k

@allquicatic Also, they don't need to ssaturate their connection

when you've got 250,000 devices

just 4 requests a second is a million to deal with

United States: 29 percent
Brazil: 23 percent
Colombia: 8 percent

the plkaces there most devices

Dog

A million requests is easy to deal with

djsmiley2k

10 million devices

@Dog yes was just pointing out y ou don't need a single device to do much to cause havoc

if you have enough

10 million devices, 4 requests a second

40 million requests a second would knock me offline easily.

So, 300 requests a second - still barely noticable on anyone with reasonable broadband

300*10,000,000

Suddenly hurts

Dog

@djsmiley2k Ermm if we're talking like, 50 byte requests, sure

150GB a sec? Meh! Major providers have terabits of bandwidth! >_>

Boris_yo

@Dog Can't believe 1st world has this speed...

djsmiley2k

5:39 PM

most... being the one or two who actually provide real b/w

What we got atm, 3 transatlantic links?

Dog

@djsmiley2k More like 50

djsmiley2k

useful ones? :@D

Dog

There's at least 3 with >4Tb bandwidth though

By the end of 2017 there should be at least 3 with over 30 terabits capacity each

djsmiley2k

oh hey we'll keep up with the attac ks at least xD

I've not looked perticularly hard, what was in the packets from the attack

Dog

Not if we get 1 billion dodgy iot devices

djsmiley2k

5:41 PM

I presume they were something simpl,e like DNS requests...

@Dog nod

Can I get permission to legally nuke them now?

someone opposing this on IRC was going on how it'd knock home users offline and crap

I was like..... I don't give a flying....

Dog

Not entirely sure why Namibia is getting a 40Tb link to the US whereas the new European cable is going to be only 30Tb

djsmiley2k

If your car is going around running people over, I will also kill that :D

ZA connections atm are terribad

and going through turkey is worse D:

Mokubai

@Dog Paid for by 419 scams?

Dog

@Mokubai If being a scammer nets you a 40Tbps internet connection I'm gonna change my career path right now

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djsmiley2k

:D

Mokubai

5:45 PM

Collective buying power, a dude from Kent got scammed out of £120,000 not long ago so there are still idiots throwing money in that direction

bwDraco

Okay, running an LTC miner as a GPU "power virus" load. I don't normally do this as it doesn't make me any meaningful amount of money, but a useful dummy load that isn't completely worthless.

I've dabbled in cryptocurrency on and off.

Not that it matters much to me, but just something to toy around with.

Boris_yo

@bwDraco 3 years ago I used this paste too on mobile i5 with dual cores and Turbo Boost. I didn't know it must be replaced after 3 years!

@JourneymanGeek Yes. Differences are store in same CBU file with base backup. The issue is that file gets larger and there is no way to remove older differences. I also do full backup once per month and delete old full backup. Maybe I can somehow tie differentials to this independent full backup so Comodo will not stack everything in 1 CBU file. Control is what I am looking for.

Hennes

6:32 PM

One for stack overflow:

djsmiley2k

6:46 PM

@bwDraco I have a rubycoin wallet, and no clue if it's got anything in it

from when rubycoin was worth nout

@Boris_yo all paste dries out

no no no

1. read the book

2. google the code

3. realise it's broken

5. publish it broken

4. google it

Dog

8:40 PM

I am a granola bar

allquicatic

9:05 PM

@Dog Mmmmm, yum.

bwDraco

@allquicatic So, I replaced the thermal paste a few hours ago. I'm seeing a slight advantage, but I assume it'll grow as the paste sets (it's AS5).

I guess this never really had to be done by a pro technician after all.

allquicatic

@bwDraco I'm unfamiliar with different thermal paste chemistries and the effect they have on thermals and performance - I tend to just use stock whatever

and I've never had to repair thermal paste by putting new on

bwDraco

The old thermal paste was completely dried up.

In all honesty, the machine has seen physical abuse (including a very hard drop) in the past which may have compromised contact between heatsink and GPU package. Dried thermal paste does not help.

Sep 28 at 19:15, by bwDraco

Dropped my laptop, system shut down on impact.

allquicatic

asdfmovie 1-9 (Complete Collection)

►

bwDraco

9:29 PM

I am seeing less throttling than before. The workload I'm running is particularly stressful, but I suppose my machine will finally stand a chance at not overheating under typical gaming loads.

Before this change, I had thermal throttling even with windows open in cold weather (~50 °F) and my big fan placed behind the laptop to forcibly extract more heat from the exhaust vent.

Burgi

9:48 PM

we came 4th of 8!

woooooo

pub quiz 4tw

Dog

10:37 PM

@allquicatic Same. Though a few times i've tried replacing it thinking I had to but turned out it wasn't the problem

@Burgi Heh... very mediocre :-P

Burgi

hehe

Dog

My best result was being 1 point away from winning, but also coming last.

Burgi

better than last week

first of the winners last week

Dog

o?

Burgi

(second to last)

;)

Dog

10:40 PM

Eh

Burgi

facepalmdesk

2

although i agree, horizontal turbines are more efficient and can be smaller

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco a little late but puget systems has good guides on it

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek I did take a look.

Journeyman Geek

@Burgi rolled up newspaper. Of d00m

Burgi

10:56 PM

heh

Canadian Luke

@Dog Brian Cox, the actor?

Ahhh, the physicist!

Dog

11:19 PM

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> Brian Cox (physicist)
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Lol

Burgi

brian cox was in DREM and they did the song that tony blair stole for the 97 election

THINGS!!! Can only get better!!!!!

i just realised the lyrics are totally against physics and the accepted view of entropy...

THINGS!!!!! can only end up as a homogenous electrical neutral and cold soup!

not quite the same catchiness

also as a side note, when the war criminal, tony blair, was crying on the radio about the fact he didn't like being a war criminal i had to stop the car on the motorway and shout at the radio for a good 10 minutes

Bob

11:38 PM

@allquicatic Dried paste usually isn't really a problem.

I've only had to replace paste twice... once when replacing a failed GPU fan, and again when cleaning out a laptop fan.

Dog

@Burgi lol

Inevitable heat death of the universe...

Fanta zero: Zero calories!*

*Bottle contains 64 calories

Journeyman Geek

...

!!thatword