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Dog
12:07 AM
!!caaaaaaat
 
12:26 AM
oh ffs
one i had missed
 
12:36 AM
"After further investigation it became apparant that the issues like flickering and poor memory overclocking results on the memory sub-system are graphics memory related. GeForce GTX 1070 cards fitted with Samsung memory do not have any issues, however some manufacturers have or switched towards Micron chips, and these are the culprit of the reported issues. Especially during overclocking of the graphics memory problems will appear fast with bad results like checkerboard patterns. "
A quick and dirty analisis would be that the lesser memory substituted on various cards to save money, just needs a bit more voltages, so they patch it up to do just that.
 
Bob
> In order to understand recursion, one must first understand recursion
 
Multiple sourcing is a routine practice in the semiconductor industry but it needs to be done with caution with performance-sensitive parts.
 
could be if the people making them, could afford to take one home and try it :-) they might know about these things before they get on the shelf.
what a concept, to test your product before selling it.
 
Whoot. Going to the other office
 
2:17 AM
@JourneymanGeek the one with the Dungeon?
 
Bob
@BenN Sorry - I had to be pedantic :P
 
No, that's the normal office
 
:-)
 
This has actual Windows
 
Bob
2:44 AM
there goes the answer quota for this month :P
 
3:09 AM
there is a few reports out there for EVGA (nvidea 1070-80) cards dying from heat, even shooting flame. The reports seem to include a "backplane" . Ok so some people really wanted that back metal (or plastic) on the back of the card, but ME i cant resolve how that would any way assist in cooling. the EVGA fix is to supply thermalpad for i assume the back components (cooking behind a wall) to the backplane.
and a general concensus on the micron ram from ~3-4 people discussing, does indicate that reguardless of the idea that both memories should work the same, the samsung memory gets better overclocks than the micron at similar "power"
only one person indicated that the micron was used because of a "shortage" of samsung. when i would think micron offerred it up for 10% less costs :-) and that is why they are using it.
(pic shows the massive :-) damage. one fried resister that was under the backplane
then people proceed to justify that VRMs can operate happlily at the 95-100*C range. when i would tend to disagree, as a semiconductor of the diode variety, after seeing cooked diodes fail only after much time, and whatever expansion and contraction occurs to cause diodes to split over time , when over heat.
IF it was such a brilliant idea to push all this stuff into the 100*C range (any of it) why did even the makers and manufactures tone down the recent models to more reasonable temps for semiconductor components?
correction, that was probably a capacitor not resister that popped and flamed
 
Bob
3:29 AM
> Digital files cannot be made uncopyable, any more than water can be made not wet.
@Psycogeek Literal flames?
 
so they say 2inch flame, how they could see behind the backplane i dont know. but when caps blow they often have at least spark and noise
 
Bob
@Psycogeek Were they watching it? o.O
It's not like this kind of thing burns for long, if at all.
And I see rather little damage to surrounding components for real flames...
 
I donno, a little pereferial view? When my $$$ PSU shot flame, i wasn't purposfully looking, but i certannly saw it
 
Bob
@Psycogeek Yea, but that would've been out the back? Isn't this inside the case?
 
Erf. Weird
 
Bob
3:36 AM
@JourneymanGeek Hm?
 
The systems we are working on seem to prefer one. Brand of RAM
 
Bob
o.O
Prefer?
Timings?
Voltages?
What brands? :P
Oh yea, @JourneymanGeek - how's using mixed 28" and 27" monitors? How about mixed TN and IPS?
 
Micron. I tried matched sets of Samsung and nanya
 
Bob
...nanya o.O
 
@Bob sure inside cases with windows , and people really thrilled with cool lighting and the cute LEDs on the card frames and all?
 
3:38 AM
@Bob I have mine calibrated to the same brightness and it's mostly fine
 
Bob
@Psycogeek Oh yea. My case glows blue (mostly cause I haven't bothered ripping the LEDs out yet) and my GPU glows green. ugh.
@JourneymanGeek What about without calibration? :P
 
IPS is noticeably but not annoyingly better
 
Bob
Do you notice the 1" difference at all?
 
Bob
I'm this '' close to getting that Acer monitor :P
 
3:39 AM
I set them to the same top height
 
Bob
No idea if the panel is better or worse than Crossover
 
Prolly better.
 
Bob
Oooh, DP chaining too
 
my case lighting was only about being able to SEE in there to switch parts around and wire it. nobody gave a leap about the lights :-) in fact the landlord thought it was just stupid.
 
Nuuuuuu
 
Bob
3:40 AM
@JourneymanGeek It's known as the cheapest mainstram 4k monitor -_-
 
Do not dp chain
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek o.O why not?
@Psycogeek I just use a little portable lantern :P
 
Half the refresh rate
 
Bob
Much nicer than trying to hold a torch in my mouth
@JourneymanGeek ow :(
Well, I'm pretty sure my video card has enough ports...
It'd better have enough :P
 
ahh i got headlights and it wasnt enough light in enough places, as half the connections are made in the shadows
 
Bob
3:43 AM
@JourneymanGeek Apparently DP 1.3 can do MST with 2x UHD@60Hz
Think the Dell and Acer ones are 1.2a though :\
And you might have said this before at some point :P
We should talk about headphones!
 
i saw one of them curved monitors this week at the store. it seems it is only the correct curve at the correct distance away from it. go to fire up a movie on the same and sit back 4-6 feet, gonna look all bent?
 
@Psycogeek @allquicatic has one
@Bob most current ones are
 
i.imgur.com/Z7vUjkX.jpg (asus cooling notice the VRM pads) VS i.imgur.com/ZJ2ykXQ.jpg (evga , umm did you forget something:-)
I think most of these configurations work in most setups, then somone has a Raid card pushing 80* wind off of it (like me) or adjusts thier case ambient for more silent operations and the weakest link dies.
overclockers (themselves) would ignore VRMs at various times too, some dude is bragging about how his water cooler has his CPU at 30*C at full load, completely failing to notice the VRMs which didnt even have the fan breeze blowing accross it anymore cooking at 100*C. and (well) the Power is sorta important too :-)
 
4:03 AM
The nice thing about the crossover is 3 HDMI 2.0 ports
 
AARGH! Google Public DNS seems to be very slow for me.
I just reconfigured my router to use 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 (forgot to set it on the new router, always used it on the old one) and DNS lookups seem to be taking several seconds to complete. Pings to 8.8.4.4 are perfectly normal. Does the Dyn DDoS have anything to do with this?
 
Shouldn't be
 
I've been using Google Public DNS for well over a year without trouble. Just what is going on?
 
"AT&T To Acquire Time Warner For $85.4 Billion Resulting In A Media Creation And Distribution Behemoth" gee lets hope that they stop this monopoly TOO like they stopped the 2 cable companies from monomerging
@bwDraco i only use it as a secondary, the cached ISP ones should be fastest , even when i am only 4 hops from googles HQ.
ping here of google dns 11-14ms ping of comcast ISP (static also) DNS 11-12ms
 
Bob
4:21 AM
@JourneymanGeek ...is that really necessary? :P
I ended up not picking up the Acer today. Mostly because I forgot
If I wait long enough, they'll be sold out (clearance stock at the moment) and I won't have to decide anymore! :P
 
google probably is working on a new way to Track all dns requests, and put up the correct advertising on your computer depending on it :-)
(the bastards)
I am still trying to figure out why i need 118 vaccume cleaners , after having looked at 2 on amazon :-) Almost as bad as the door to door sales of the same.
at least with the humans you can tell them to stuff-off
 
@Bob one is nice. 3 is gratuitous
Tho I suppose you can hook up consoles
That + the remote makes it a nice workbench monitor
 
4:40 AM
the real trick with 3 monitors is to have one in front of the toilet, and one in the kitchen :-)
 
@Psycogeek 3 connections. :P
 
Invention of the week
 
And at home I usually have one monitor for chat if I'm gaming... Which is handy. Pity no games let you toss a map in a second screen
 
Google patented stickey self driving cars, so if the robot (naw that wouldnt happen) car hits a pedestrian, it sticks to the hood of the car, so the human doesnt get tossed about. And just when you thought you would know the future of self driving cars, you left out, the humans stuck to the top of them.
@JourneymanGeek somone mentioned that there IS at least one game out there that can put the "map" on the second screen, when selected in the options, i dont remember which game it was.
 
Bob
4:59 AM
@JourneymanGeek i.imgur.com/IHrw4Bp.gifv
> My printer can hold is a few sheets of paper, some ink, and infinite cat hair.
 
he should get his cat chipped, then he would have to pay for the hair :-)
and the cat would quit shedding when the colored hair was out :-) (by design)
I recorded the first episode of the new season of "The Walking Dead" but i am afraid to watch it . . . CliffHangers.
 
5:55 AM
Erf
Got a text from the other office asking about something I was supposed to do there
..... I cannae be in two places at once
 
well you manage to pull it off here :-)
sock puppet?
will they let DogBots into the office?
what should be the filename extention for a PowersHell script?
 
Bob
6:20 AM
@Psycogeek .ps1
 
thnx
 
6:57 AM
zomfg
2 nights in a row of bad sleep makes smiley a sad boy
 
@Psycogeek hm. I suppose they could replace me with a very small shell script
 
Bob
7:20 AM
@JourneymanGeek nah, you're at least a medium shell script :P
 
7:39 AM
:p
 
8:02 AM
@Bob You have clearly not heard of Dry Water :)
Dry water, an unusual form of "powdered liquid", is a water-air emulsion in which tiny water droplets, each the size of a grain of sand, are surrounded by a sandy silica coating. Dry water actually consists of 95% liquid water, but the silica coating prevents the water droplets from combining and turning back into a bulk liquid. The result is a white powder that looks very similar to table salt. It is also more commonly known among researchers as "empty water". == Discovery == Dry water was first patented in 1968 and was immediately snatched up by cosmetic companies as it appeared to have potential...
 
 
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9:13 AM
morning btw
 
Dog
10:09 AM
@Bob lol
I'm contemplating which monitor I should bring to Australia
 
are you moving to australia?
 
Dog
10:29 AM
I want to
 
11:27 AM
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Q: Will loud low frequency music ruin the Skylake processor?

Friendly Person 44Containing to the Skylake processor chip or later chips that are even smaller sized - could loud low frequency music ruin them inside? More specifically, if 1 transistor is ruined, the whole chip is ruined, and the Skylake has a few billion transistors that are made up of parts that are made up o...

 
Do they not have monitors in australia?
 
@djsmiley2k They do, but they're all upside-down
 
They do have Monitor Lizards :)
A goanna is any of several Australian monitor lizards of the genus Varanus, as well as certain species from Southeast Asia. Around 30 species of goanna are known, 25 of which are found in Australia. This varied group of carnivorous reptiles ranges greatly in size and fills several ecological niches. The goanna features prominently in Aboriginal mythology and Australian folklore. Being predatory lizards, goannas are often quite large, or at least bulky, with sharp teeth and claws. The largest is the perentie (V. giganteus), which can grow over 2.5 m (8.2 ft) in length. Not all goannas are gargantuan...
 
:D
@OliverSalzburg so ctrl alt up would actually work there? :D
 
Gah, why is this Chrome profile refusing to open microsoft.com URLs?
It's really starting to drive me nuts
Ah, and now it works :P
Cleared all cookies and site data for all sites containing "microsoft"
 
chrome://net-internals/#dns
 
@JourneymanGeek Certainly looks as though it could be. It's also crossposted to Stack Overflow, where it has been answered. stackoverflow.com/questions/40216635/…
 
I spam flagged it there ;p
 
Wow wow ow ow
someone just blamed the DDoS on friday, for issues this morning on heroku
 
11:47 AM
@JourneymanGeek I flagged then both with smokey ;p
 
@DavidPostill Its one of those things where I'm definately going to close it, but I'd like more eyeballs on it
 
@JourneymanGeek I think it's spam. the so profile advertises spannerstrategies.com
 
@DavidPostill but she's pretty open that its her article
 
"Spanner Strategies is a global digital strategy firm that uses a variety of platforms, including social media, to help politicians, governments, NGO’s/non-profits and businesses to reach untapped audiences in the United States and abroad."
 
I'm leaning towards 'dosen't know better' over malice
ah, firefox won't load their page
 
11:51 AM
Should know better working for a company like that.
 
Peter Principle!
 
@JourneymanGeek Loads fine here.
 
they are a spanner for a reason @DavidPostill
;)
 
so post has gone
 
Bob
@Dog o.o wait, really?
tourist or permanent(-ish)? :P
 
11:56 AM
@DavidPostill I see 4 flags
 
warning the authorities @Bob?
;P
 
Dog
@Bob That working holiday visa thing
So anything up to a year, maybe two if I go redneck
@JourneymanGeek Get a spider
They have like 8 eyes with hundreds of eyeballs or summit
 
rednecks are american
the australian equivilent is an...
erm
 
Dog
Redfur?
 
Bob
12:16 PM
@Dog ah. any idea where?
or no particular city/state in mind
@JourneymanGeek bogan
 
ahh thought so
I've injured my shoulder and I have no clue why or how
 
Bob
o.O
 
Didn't really do heavy moving
 
@JourneymanGeek Too much mousing?
 
nope
Wrong arm front leg
 
12:32 PM
insert crude joke about tennis here
 
That's elbows
 
depends how vigorous you are
 
If you hurt yourself, you might be doing it wrong
 
lol
 
Bob
12:58 PM
@JourneymanGeek Some would disagree...
 
@Bob aww
 
@Bob probably people doing it wrong
 
Dog
1:23 PM
Urgh why are cross platform protocols still so slow and/or poorly implemented
@Bob I've had Melbourne suggested to me several times but I haven't really thought about it yet. Early pre-pre-planning stage
 
Bob
lol
@Dog there's a bit of, let's say.. sibling rivalry... between Melb and Syd
 
Dog
Heh
That might explain some of the opinions I've heard from various Melbournians vs Sydnerians
 
Bob
@Dog o.O
thought it was "Melbournites" and "Sydneysiders"
 
Dog
@Bob Meh I just made that up on the spot cause I had no idea what the real words would be
Or if there even were any
I just go by the -ians because we have a bit of a sibling rivalry with the Glaswegians
 
GLASWEIGIA!
I have a friend in inverness. Sadly her name isn't nessie ;p
 
1:56 PM
was there a large DDoS attack on friday?
 
lol yeah just a little
It's one of those times to be genuinely worried about the internet, as goverments will go all draconian and make stupid rules
 
hmmm...
 
i didn't notice
> As you may already be aware, Dyn suffered a DDoS attack on October 21st 2016 that resulted in a degradation, or total loss of service for a number of core Internet services, including Pingdom.
 
amusingly I pulled that from an answer I posted
@djsmiley2k I'm pretty sure @Dog is from furry boots city
 
furry boots city?
 
Ugg
like Ur but scottish
 
I got to check off 'Make something called xkcd' early.
2
 
> far aboots? (Whaur aboots?) - Whereabouts? (Aberdeen is nicknamed "Furry Boots City" from a humorous spelling of far aboots - furry boots.)
Doric, the popular name for Mid Northern Scots or Northeast Scots, refers to the Scots language as spoken in the northeast of Scotland. There is an extensive body of literature, mostly poetry, ballads, and songs. == Nomenclature == The term "Doric" was formerly used to refer to all dialects of Lowland Scots, but during the twentieth century it became increasingly associated with Mid Northern Scots. The name possibly originated as a jocular reference to the Doric dialect of the Ancient Greek language. Greek Dorians lived in Laconia, including Sparta, and other more rural areas, and were alleged...
 
Bob
2:20 PM
user image
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This is oddly true
 
sigh Phoebe...
 
3:25 PM
@Bob I noticed that this actress has smaller head in proportion to body.
 
Bob
o.O
 
Does she o_O:
 
4:02 PM
...and last night's DNS issues were caused by misconfiguration. Fixed.
Somehow entered 8.8.8.4 and not 8.8.4.4.
 
4:19 PM
lol
 
google should just redirect all the IPs to their DNS servers
 
ping 8.4.2.1 ?
 
all of them
including 127.0.0.1
 
@Burgi Is it beer o'clock where you are?
 
sadly not :(
 
4:27 PM
Hi
 
Bob
@DavidPostill it's always beer o'clock!
 
No beer in 3 days. I would like some.
Otoh, weigh is slowly dropping and the beer is usally drank not that long before bedtime, so calory wise not smart.
 
4:42 PM
@DavidPostill but i have two weeks worth of work to squeeze into 12 hours
 
Got a question about SQL can I ask it here?
 
@MarkYisri You can ask. You might get an answer ...
 
My SQL instance is losing the DATA and Template Data folders. Are these general SQL folders?
They seem to vanish.
 
which flavour of SQL?
 
Kaitlin Pike on October 24, 2016
Welcome to The Stack Overflow Podcast #92, brought to you by the The Facsimile Association of America. Since the late 1800s, faxes have solved the infuriating problem how to get a message to someone quicker than physical mail, and since the late 1900s, slower than just sending an email. The Facsimile Association of America: When Was the Last Time You Needed to Fax?
 
5:09 PM
i'm working on the "fanatic" badge
31% complete :D
 
Dog
Wow, the nearest place I can get one of these is Singapore?!
 
@Dog In Canada, I'm not even sure if they sell 2-prong power bars anymore, they all expect you to use the ground pin
 
Dog
@CanadianLuke Booo
All my stuff doesn't have ground anyway
So I was going to switch to euro 2-pin system to save space and for ease of packing
 
Ther only things that don't around here are small peripherals (i.e. USB chargers), and Xmas lights
 
Dog
@CanadianLuke USB/phone charger, laptop, and electric toothbrush
And all my SMPS wall warts as well it seems
 
5:15 PM
Laptops use 3 prongs here, 99% of the fime
SMPS?
 
Dog
@CanadianLuke switching mode power supply
 
Again, only seen the 3-prong approach with those
 
Dog
I've seen 3 prong laptop adapters, my first laptop had one ten years ago, but all three I've had since are 2-pin with no earth
And my next tablet/laptop will likely charge off USB-C so just another 2-pin USB multi charger.
I have literally nothing I travel with that is earthed and UK plugs are wastefully oversized
 
Excellent for you! I travel with my Laptop, and my 2-prong, 4-port USB charger. Only need USB cables then for my tablets, phone and wireless headphones, then the 3-prong outlet for my one laptop... IF I bring it...
 
5:31 PM
hi
 
hyeey
 
Dog
@CanadianLuke So yeah, even then the majority of your stuff is 2 pronged
 
5:52 PM
That looks so weird... Do the bottom two prongs rotate or something @DavidPostill?
 
6:06 PM
That's kinda cool!
 
 
1 hour later…
7:07 PM
So folks, is it best to assign fixed devices like my printer and smart TV static IP addresses?
Should desktop PCs get static IPs?
 
7:19 PM
@bwDraco It won't do any harm, so why not?
 
Right now, TV and printer have static IPs. Everything else gets an address from DHCP (range 192.168.1.20-99).
 
I don't think it really matters. I can't think of any obvious advantages/disadvantages either way you decide to go.
 
100-239 is for static assignment.
1-19 and 240-255 are reserved for infrastructure.
 
You can always change stuff later ...
 
Can't imagine having more than 80 devices needing dynamic assignment.
Besides, as IoT devices become more prevalent, many of these devices will get static IPs because they're not going outside the house.
 
7:27 PM
3 mins ago, by DavidPostill
You can always change stuff later ...
 
Never mind.
 
7:43 PM
so did the world end yesterday and i missed it (again) ? Was there any finatial or economic mass losses from this DNS issue ?
or just a bunch of weekend warriers who had to wait for an extra 2 minutes for netflix?
 
Also..
> NETGEAR home routers can accommodate up to 32 clients per wireless band. If your router is dual band, the total wireless clients your router can handle is 64 (32 for the 2.4GHz and 32 for the 5GHz).
 
@Psycogeek "For more than one-third of companies, a single hour of a DDoS attack can cost up to $20,000, according to a 2014 report by the security firm Imperva Incapsula. (For some companies, the cost of an attack can exceed $100,000 per hour.) Given that the majority of attacks continue for more than six hours, these losses add up quickly. "
 
Ouch.
 
i didnt suffer any issues @Psycogeek
related to the whole ddos thing
 
Right now, we have 3 devices (but sometimes up to 6) on 2.4 GHz and 3 devices on 5 GHz.
I'm not particularly concerned about network scalability.
32 devices per band is enough to accommodate reasonably expected IoT workloads for the next few years, at least.
 
7:50 PM
I didnt even notice here.
 
I'm on the East Coast (New York City) so I was affected for several hours.
Heck, neither the devices on my home network nor my cloud servers were able to resolve wikia.com, which I needed access to as a game reference.
 
@bwDraco how many hours did you spend configuring to "fix" what wasnt your problem?
 
I was on the ISP's DNS servers at the time this happened.
 
8.8.8.8
fixed
 
@WHATEVERDave I had a crappy internet connection for 2 days - don't know whether it was directly related.
 
Dog
7:58 PM
There as a "problem"?
 
that all depends on how congested the network is in your case potentially.
or how congested a dns server is
should run your own
imo
or just use 8.8.8.8
:P
 
I've already reconfigured my network to use Google Public DNS.
 
8:18 PM
For IPv6, it's 2001:4860:4860::8888 and 2001:4860:4860::8844.
 
Dog
I just use 8.8.8.8 everywhere, even in places I should use my own
 
Still engineering samples but these clocks look pretty promising.
The TDP is still 95W and that tells you AMD is up to something.
3.15 GHz base, Turbo Core 3.3 to 3.6 GHz.
Bear in mind that the Intel HEDT processors are 140W, and that the AMD parts are SoCs, not merely CPUs.
The GlobalFoundries 14nm process still has plenty of room for improvement.
Aug 20 at 4:04, by bwDraco
I'm not sure how much power the Intel part is pulling at the lower clocks used in the tech demo (full Turbo speed with all eight cores under load should be around 3.5 GHz at 140W), but 3.0 GHz at a 45W delta (effectively ~50W due to the SoC design) means that AMD can probably hit similar or slightly higher clocks within the same power limit.
Now it's 3.3 GHz at the same 45W delta.
AMD seems to have aced the power efficiency.
 
Dog
As in half the time I have to edit Windows' hosts file cause I keep putting 8.8.8.8 in instead of my own local DNS which resolved my internal/LAN addresses...
 
Aug 20 at 3:55, by bwDraco
My point is that AMD seems to be getting some really insane power numbers despite being at a technical disadvantage (the integrated southbridge comes at a ~5W cost that Intel isn't paying). This points to some very, very impressive performance per watt.
 
Dog
9:11 PM
Turns out there are still cute girls dogs in the world worth meeting
 
9:37 PM
@Dog oh? TIL
 
10:05 PM
Goddammit. Tried to replace a ceiling fan bulb. Wretched cover won't fit with an A21 bulb installed!
(100W equiv. CFL.)
I don't even know if a more ordinary A19 bulb will even fit given that the bulb previously installed is an A15 ("micro") 60w equiv. CFL, and I'm not in a mood to try.
I guess I'll have to settle with no cover installed.
 
@Dog if that doesn't make you bark, I don't know what will
 
i'm wondering if it is wise to open up a 6.5% cider at 2315 on a school night...
 
...and an A19 bulb will not fit. Dammit.
 
 
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Bob
11:41 PM
I swear Cthulhu wrote that language...
Ooh, there's an idea for an esoteric language that takes Zalgo-style diacritics!
 

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