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4:00 PM
@TomOConnor That is...mildly creepy.
 
"Acer Ring" - One ring to bind them all.. etc.
alternatively, Wanna know the price? Bend over, and we'll put it in your acer ring.
 
ouch
 
@RobertMoir Like a SAN quote from 3par.
well, any SAN vendor, actually.
 
like a san quote from Apple
 
@TomOConnor Nice. Although that keyboard would take some getting used to
 
4:04 PM
Is there a way for me to tell which of my questions and/or answers have been migrated to where?
 
@RobertMoir Apple do SAN?
 
@TomOConnor They do
 
Eee.
I bet they're beautiful.
and impossible to use.
 
they're discontinued ;-)
and yes, very nice brushed steel case
 
or rather they used to
 
4:06 PM
i always found the edges of the Mac Pro were very sharp.
 
God, I wish i were a millionaire.
 
@GregD Pales in comparison to a Dell R8xx series.
 
we have a couple here
very nice they are too
 
4:07 PM
Apple server hardware is the trophy wife of the server room
 
@RobertMoir In the Art department?
 
but then for the money they ought to be#
 
@GregD No, that's Juniper T-series routers.
 
well physically in the server room, so only the IT team admire their beauty ;-)
but purchased for the media department
 
@RobertMoir near enough!
 
4:09 PM
I can't imagine the cost...
On a side note, WTF with Apple never putting product photos on their website?!
 
@ChrisS Oh god. Server room porn
 
@GregD Wow. That is a beautiful system. I bet it's baking hot on the other aisle.
 
ok that's an impressive apple server room
i still think the microsoft one with a room full of mac minis turned on its side is, uh, cuter somehow
 
@RobertMoir link? I don't think I've seen that.
 
i don't know if its online anywhere, i used to consult for microsoft part time and saw them in a tour of the facility
 
4:12 PM
Ah
 
 
possibly (probably) different one, but it's a mac mini farm.
reminds me a bit of the matrix.
 
When I think about xserves and them being discontinued, I get sad about articles like this:
 
@TomOConnor Heh. We had some chatter on Meta recently about Mac Mini questions 'round these parts.
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Q: why was my question about mac mini servers closed?

paleozogtI asked a question about using Mac Minis as servers. It was upvoted and then closed without comment and moved to SuperUser. Why? I am using these Mac Minis as servers and in a professional capacity. I'm not clear on how this doesn't fit on ServerFault. To quote the ServerFault FAQ: What ...

 
4:15 PM
@TomOConnor I'd hate to be the first guy to knock the one on the end over
 
@sysadmin1138 I wouldn't have VTC that. But there we go. Looks like it got moved back.
@GregD Double Sided Sticky Tape. Solves that problem :)
 
i still find it hard to believe you can buy 80Gb of ram for £1900 ex vat
 
4:37 PM
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4:57 PM
There are days where crying just isn't enough.
 
@BartSilverstrim That's what scotch is for.
 
Now that you mention it I have bacardi 151 in the fridge at home that might just be for a day like I had this morning.
My boss asked me to "take a walk" because I couldn't type anymore, my hands were shaking too much.
 
I've been there. Time to go get some soothing coffee.
 
Any option to take the rest of the day?
 
Honestly I thought I was going to have a heart attack I was so frustrated.
I suppose I could take the afternoon as a half day, but I promised I'd work on another lab system for a teacher. It wasn't their fault so I shouldn't make them wait for it.
 
5:08 PM
Too bad. I hope it starts looking up.
 
You're a school sysadmin or am I thinking of someone else?
 
@Tomoconnor: sigh I had a period of extended stress not all that long ago where I went in to my GP in the morning and mentioned I felt an arrhythmia of sorts and had been under stress. I returned to work a couple hours later (from what was supposed to be a quick routine exam) wearing a heart monitor for a 24 hour check.
Scary to think that this may, from those postings, be something not quite uncommon for sysadmins/IT people.
 
5:28 PM
@BartSilverstrim Me? I work in Information Security for a university, though my area is systems.
 
'nother academic sysadmin here :)
 
I was thinking there were a couple.
Ugh...too stressed to think about it. Too public to write about it.
 
@BartSilverstrim Well I had the come to jesus talk with my doctor in March 2010. She told me I was gonna die if I didn't turn things around.
I've logged well over 300 miles running and lowered my cholesterol over 30 points without meds
 
Theoretically I'm on 24/7 on-call. Happily, we've dismantled our after-hours reporting infrastructure sufficiently that I almost never get a call. Makes it a lot easier to leave work at work.
 
Just went for a 5 mile run last night as a matter of fact
I'm always on call too, but I use my iPhone when running...so it's always with me
 
5:33 PM
@sysadmin1138 Same here. In fact my office has a rotating on-call, but in practice we're all on call at all times depending on which speciality is needed.
 
I had surgery about a year and a half ago for bariatric. Lost about 130 pounds or so. Working on losing more. That's about as close to the "you're going to die" speech as I had gotten. But that's not what just sent me near the edge today.
 
@GregD running 5 miles would kill me - shin splints but I did 52miles on the bike today
 
@packs The best thing that happened for reducing after-hour oncall was when TPTB decided our helpdesks need to shut down at 5pm instead of 9pm.
 
Familiar with the 24/7 on call. And the inevitable call at 04:00 that a server has gone down.
 
Why do we do this to ourselves?
 
5:34 PM
@Iain No doubt...running is not for everyone. But it's done wonders for my stress
 
Tuning our automated reporting system to not keep me awake all night during MS-Patch-Night was a task that gained sudden priority recently.
 
@BartSilverstrim Because a good sysadmin feels obligated to
 
@sysadmin1138 Lucky you. Our helpdesk gets forwarded to the mainframe operators after hours, which is staffed 24x7
 
Fortunately, shared hosting customers don't have the on-call number! Just customers paying us plenty for dedicated setups.
 
@packs That sounds like another state I used to work for
 
5:35 PM
@packs Budget cuts are good for something. We lost our 24 hour coverage in the 2001 recession, and our 2nd shift coverage in this one.
 
@GregD Handy to know when to turn off the phone as well though.
 
Maybe we shouldn't feel obligated to. Doesn't seem like there's much appreciation fo rit.
 
@NiallDonegan I've gotten in the habit of ALWAYS letting it go to voice mail.
 
I'm interested to see what happens when our mainframe is retired in the near future.
 
@GregD I do as well, but it's still annoying.
 
5:37 PM
When I worked for another state (who I won't mention here cough Nebraska cough)..they used to pay us pager pay. It amounted to approximately $160 extra for 7 days. But
 
@packs That will be interesting. In our case it meant 3rd shift went away at the next budget-crunch.
@GregD Hey, at least you got compensated.
 
they would actually DEDUCT from your pager pay, if you got called and started working on a problem...because their theory was, you weren't going to get paid twice
I was like WTF?
 
@sysadmin1138 Yeah, we used to get comp time for rotation, but that got taken away for salaried employees a couple of years ago.
 
@GregD That's what OT is for.
 
Saying that, we did have one customer who got some above and beyond at a ridiculous hour in the morning. A crate of whiskey and 4KG of jelly babies did appear in the office :)
 
5:39 PM
@sysadmin1138 I wish I got overtime now. I'm salaried
 
@nialldonegan: are you outside the US?
 
@NiallDonegan heee. Not unfamiliar. I've received tasty comestibles in recompense for bacon-saving at odd hours.
 
@GregD: to run 300 miles I'd probably need meds.
 
@GregD I get basically double salary for the week on-call. Don't get overtime if some thing happens, but I do get milage if I need to head to the data centre.
 
@GregD As am I. But at oldJob I was hourly, so got OT.
 
5:39 PM
@BartSilverstrim Yup, Ireland.
 
@NiallDonegan I may or may not have received beers from someone who I just so happened to randomly see out some nights :)
 
Never really tried whiskey before.
 
@BartSilverstrim if you do go for a nice single malt
 
4 KG of jelly babies must have been interesting too.
 
@BartSilverstrim Scotch or bourbon tend to have smoother flavours. I must admit to being a big fan of Blanton's.
 
5:42 PM
Well I couldn't run a mile a little over a year ago, to save my life..then when I had the come to jesus talk with my practitioner, I ran 4 miles the next day. I plan on running my first marathon in May of this year
 
@BartSilverstrim They disappeared ridiculously fast. Made the mistake of letting them near the L1 support staff!
 
There are days where I don't want to die (a la "jesus talk")...then there are days where it seems like it would be nice to get the rest if I just give in.
 
@BartSilverstrim :) Well I have four kids to think about too..the youngest being 3
 
@gregd: yeah, my youngun' is 5.
 
@BartSilverstrim That's incentive enough to get and stay healthy. Not only that, we spend well over $1000 a month on food
You can do the simple task of cutting out sugar and you'd be amazed at what a difference it can make on your health
 
5:49 PM
I also have a step-daughter that's 18, announced she's having intimate relations with her boyfriend at college who isn't exactly doing so hot on grades, and after adding some other holiday-break related stresses gave incentive for me to look forward to the alternative side, @gregd :-)
I can't eat larger doses of sugar or I get sick. Side effect of the surgery.
 
@BartSilverstrim Ugh. I hear ya brother.
 
In my opinion she likes playing house without the responsibilities of having to run a house. But she doesn't understand that concept. sigh
But again...that's not what happened here today :-)
 
@packs Blantons is very tasty.
 
@BartSilverstrim Thanks a lot for telling me what my life will be in 16 years :)
 
Oh, yes, it's tons of fun.
Absolutely wonderful.
Make a resolution for them to get out on their own as soon as they graduate and stick to it.
 
5:54 PM
hmm, so there is an advantage to the single life!
 
Yes, there is.
There are advantages to both sides.
Especially financially.
 
And free time. Looking back, I have no idea how I wasted so much time without kids.
 
Not to mention that when you're single you can live in your off hours however you want.
But there's also an appeal to finding that one special person to marry and make miserable for the rest of her life.
Or your life. Whoever dies first.
 
@BartSilverstrim And after if you do it right!
 
Oh yes indeed.
Time for me to go. Configure another system on-site. Later everyone. Wish me luck that i may make it long enough to come back again. :-/
 
5:59 PM
Enjoy.
 
@BartSilverstrim Good luck!
 
Ben
6:32 PM
Please flag liberally
 
Hello
 
Ben
Hey
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@Ben Done
 
What is the world coming to? I'm dealing with smart, polite, native English speakers when calling my insurance company!!
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THIS IS MADNESS!
 
Ben
Whaaaaat
 
6:35 PM
@WesleyNonapeptide LIAR
 
Ben
I thought there was a law against that? It certainly seems that way :-)
 
It's health insurance, BTW. Not auto, life or etc.
Which makes it even more crazy.
 
6:51 PM
I've just sorted out my medical insurance. I'm rapidly losing faith in the NHS
 
7:12 PM
Happy Ending:
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Q: Bad disks in ancient server

Joel CoelI have a 1998-era Netware 3.12 server that runs everything on our campus: general ledger, purchasing, payroll, student information, grades, you name it. The server has an Adaptec RAID controller with two volumes: RAID 1, 2 17GB scsi disks, Seagate ST318417W RAID 5, 3 4GB scsi disks, 2 Seagate...

 
YAAAAY!
 
SysAdmin1138 Expounds
Organic networks
SysAdmin1138
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Sysadmin1138/~3/l64w4ABj9lc/organic-networks.shtml
 
I hate organically grown networks. I have to tolerate one at work.
Nobody'll give me the budget to normalise it.
 
@TomOConnor Have you tried asking for funds to normalize it instead? :)
 
@packs I don't think that'd help.
 
7:19 PM
@TomOConnor You're probably right, it was worth asking.
 
@packs I wish it were that simple.
 
Is there anybody here who does not know what Euchre is (without looking it up)?
 
I know of it.
 
@sysadmin1138, we are mean. Our login script actually removes any user-mapped drives.
 
@Zoredache ooOOooo, that IS mean!
 
7:29 PM
We also have a DFS namespace setup so users can just go to \\domain\dfs
and find everything
 
I was just talking with a sales guy, mentioned that we played it on New Year's Eve... He'd never even heard of the game. I know we play it much more often here in the Midwest than other places... but never hearing of it...
 
@ChrisS Upstate NY here, learned Euchre in middle school. Lived in Denver for a while, nobody there seemed to know about it... They did know Spades though.
 
I know Spades too, but it's not all that popular here..
Actually I was just reading (and editing) the Wikipedia article on the game; I'd never heard the pile called the "kitty" before, though I have heard grave and a few of the other names.
 
I've heard kitty, in reference to cards, though not in Euchre.
 
I've heard of euchre, but never played it. I noticed it seeming to be a big thing when I came to Ohio.
 
7:43 PM
@packs If you have 4 people it's pretty much the card game of choice in the midwest. It's pretty hard to get through college round here without learning it. If you have more people Texas Hold'em is the game of choice usually.
 
Anyone play Rook?
 
nope, never heard of it.
 
Dan
7:56 PM
Weird, just got kicked out of the room, and it told me i had to login to chat
 
@dan ditto
 
8:26 PM
Hi SF folks :)
 
@WayneKoorts Howdy!
 
Hello.
 
8:44 PM
Hello
 
150 emails later...
 
seems quiet
 
quiet is good.
 
yes, yes it is. I need quiet after dealing with "the stupidity of the vendors" today. What a great feature that was
 
Ben
Come on, own up ..... who has been smoking crack and thought Hey was star-worthy?
 
8:52 PM
I suspect it was @Niall Donegan
 
after 7 hours troubleshooting by our developers of a piece of hardware their vendor brought in (no I don't know why either) they decided to ask me if it mattered that the device was only capable of doing 10Mb half duplex while they were plugging it into a port on a switch that only does 1 and 10Gb.
facepalm
 
If you look back, Ben had asked people to flag a SPAM post, and then Niall said done.
 
apparently the hardware worked really well on the vendor's test bench. Turns out their switch was made about 15 years ago - and probably designed by disney and built by mattel too.
 
Or worse, Cablecom.
 
they still make equipment that only does 10mb? Did they try just connecting a switch between the two?
 
8:55 PM
The Ethernet interface on my datacenter UPS only does 10Mb Half Duplex. But then, it was old in 1999.
 
well when they tried that, zoredache, it didn't work at all. Turns out the device also requires PoE
 
head splode
 
the fail is strong in that one, I fear
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/me is still laughing
 
oh you haven't heard the real punchline yet
after they'd taken 7 hours debugging to ask me for help
i took about 10 mins to identify their hardware issue
then after a further 10 mins debugging i found a bug in their code which meant it would never have worked anyway
 
8:58 PM
You're right, that's better.
 
The IT director, in whose office this whole circus was taking place in all day, nearly cried
 
@RobertMoir What was the hardware issue? And the software bug?
 
the hardware issue was that a 10mb 1/2 duplex device doesn't play nice with a switch locked down to 10/1Gb (and, it turns out, also performs poorly in routed environments even when thats fixed)
 
Yeah, NICs that are hard set to a certain speed don't like auto sensing ports a lot either. That's like Network+ troubleshooting, no?
 
the software issue... their code was just crap basically, they were pulling data from their network listener service, saving it to a temp file, and the network listener was over-writing it with the next bit of data before the "current" bit of data got processed
it is...
 
9:03 PM
Did you just flip that switch port to 10 and 1/2?
 
i have to say 10mb 1/2 duplex AND PoE isn't a common requirement
 
@RobertMoir Yeah, that's just a little bit unusual.
Must have been an electrical engineer's decision.
 
I just read their own notes/spec which says quite clearly that the device only did that speed, then i pointed them to the network spec for the ports i had given them which said clearly they were locked down to certain speeds
 
When in doubt, it's always the electrical engineer's fault.
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i'd just like to know why it took them the whole day to ask for help
i mean i know i was busy and all but they could have asked
 
9:06 PM
Because they are used to their home equipment which doesn't have the switchports locked to 1gb?
 
I just scrolled up and saw that it was a bunch of developers. Yeah, that sounds about right. Surprised they contacted you before they pulled an all nighter.
 
so they assumed the switch negotiation would jsut automatically work.
 
i wasn't kidding when i said their test bench network had a 15 year old switch
and i wouldn't be surprised if it did turn out to be designed by disney and built by mattel either
@zoredache I suspect you're right. Though I know they were told very clearly, using nice small easy to understand words, that the network was all locked down to certain speeds and that they should ask for help if they're connecting anything unusual
 
9:23 PM
I'm about to do something I've only ever done 11 times before.
 
Sup peeps.
@sysadmin1138 <insert baudy joke here?>
 
@DaveDrager Ask a ServerFault Question. I know. Rare.
 
@DaveDrager Werd up.
 
/me points and stares
Cool, cloudkick is offering free basic checks for unlimited servers. cloudkick.com/free-basic-checks
@WesleyNonapeptide So W3Cache is working well for you?
 
@DaveDrager So far I haven't seen an issue. We'll have to wait and see what happens the next time I get a big influx of traffic.
 
9:37 PM
The database permissions for ArcSDE are starting to concern me. Apparently I need to make someone a DBO so they can add more points to a layer?
I don't love that.
 
My Question-to-Answer ratio has now dropped from 1:80 to 1:74.
 
how are you doing your imaging? Did you use sysprep?
 
Dan
@sysadmin1138, did you use sysprep, or just ghostcasting?
 
In this specific case I'm pretty sure a hacked-together profile-copy was used.
 
Dan
if you are ghostcasting, i'm fairly certain thats expected behavior
 
9:50 PM
This particular image predates my latest storming about on sysprep.
 
Dan
So, all future stuff is sysprepped?
If you are ghosting, and simply changing the computer name on a domain joined image, then what you are seeing is normal.
 
Maaaayyyybe. There is this learning curve to climb in that particular department, and I have little visiblity on how the climbing progress goes.
IIRC, the process is to work a template machine up, undomain it, ghost it, ghostcast it out to 1-40 stations, and then redomain as part of a GhostConsole task.
 
Dan
It definitely sounds like the issue is caused during your imaging, but it sounds like you knew that much already.
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What I don't fully understand is how harmful it is.
 
Dan
That I can't answer, sorry.
 
10:03 PM
You may need to add that as a part of your question. That these machines may not have been imaged using the recommended MS method, and you are curios if the error is critical.
 
SO. MUCH. SUCK. nomek.net
 
Just let me turn off my music. This seems like it will have some stellar sound effects.
Oh wow. Porn music.
 
have you seen this ? industrialpainter.com
 
@WesleyNonapeptide I think you understated just host much suck!
 
They have lorem ipsum text. Is this even a real site?
 
Ben
10:07 PM
@Iain I sent him over to insustrialpainter yesterday :-D
 
Arrrgh, I seem to have lot the ability to type coherently!
 
@Iain Yes that site is also quite terrifying.
 
@Iain Unfortunately I have. I had to have someone kick me in the groin to make the pain of Indistrial Painter's site go away.
 
@Ben right ho
 
@Zoredache Good point.
 
Ben
10:08 PM
That site is certainly something else
 
What language is that - Latin ?
 
It's Latin without any real meaning basically.
Normally used as dummy text.
 
It has a meaning, or had one... Lorem Ipsum comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum"
 
from Cicero in 45BC
 
10:16 PM
Not joking with the porn music on that site were you? Jesus...
 
Does anyone know of a CLI tool that will example a pcap dump file and give you output equivalent to the Wireshark Conversation Partners feature?
 
Hello
 
@Chacha102, being social is good and such, but do you really need to say hello, every time you show up in the room? The channel would get really noisy if everyone did that all the time.
OTOH, maybe you should ignore me. I just know I tended to really get annoyed at people only saying 'hello' in heavy usage IRC rooms, and my annoyance has followed me here.
 
@Zoredache I found that really funny. Because other people complain about the same thing
I probably should stop..
 
in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by Tyler Chacha
in The Comms Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 34 secs ago, by Zoredache
@Chacha102, being social is good and such, but do you really need to say hello, every time you show up in the room? The channel would get really noisy if everyone did that all the time.
Just sharin the love ... just sharin the love
@Chacha102 nah, it's what you do. We get it. You don't have to stop over on the Tavern
 
11:24 PM
@WesleyNonapeptide, for your next blog post you should write up something about how actually succeed at your 10k challenge.
 
@Zoredache Creating a few extra accounts. Clearly.
 
There is lots of good advice on meta, that you could steal hints from
Like:

- Asking good questions earns rep.
- You can ask questions even if you know the answer
-- If you run into a tricky problem while working, ask it
-- wait a day so the community can offer some answers, then post your own.
- Attempt to answer questions that you don't already know the answer to.
-- Be clear, that you are not certain, and link to docs and references
Tell people how to find questions to answer, using the search features, tags, and such.
 
@Zoredache Noted. Thanks!
 
Or anyone can write that I guess. I don't have a blog, or anyone following me, so if I wrote it I wouldn't know where to post it...
Or maybe I should write a rough draft and let someone else post it...
 
You're welcome to guest post on my blog
Or make the definitive post on the topic in meta?
And I can link to it.
 
11:36 PM
Let me think about that, and find some of the good meta questions/answers again.
 
Everytime I do anything in my job, I always feel the need to justify it in documentation. Wether it's commenting scripts or just writing in a wiki why I chose EasyDNS over UltraDNS. I feel as if somewhere, someone will be wondering "what the hell did he do this for?" and I'll need to have a full defense prepared. As a result, all of my documentation is extraordinarily verbose and my scripts have about a 6:1 ratio of logic to comments.
I'm beginning to wonder if that's a bad thing.
And how much is psychologically connected to growing up in a very critical and dour household.
I should blog about this.
 
I haven't had to work anywhere that I had to have each working minute attributed to one budget-code or another. Have you? It sounds like it.
 
I've only worked in very lax and informal settings. Never had to account for time like that.
Never even worked for a place where I'd lose points for being late to work. There never was a "late to work" paradigm. Just a "make it work" mind-set.
 
Hm. The needle moves towards, "critical and dour household," indeed.
 
So that's good that I didn't work at an anal workplace. I think it stems from growing up in a family that criticized everything. Watching a TV show was hard because I'd have to try to listen over people saying how crooked the main character's nose was, how their diction was annoying, the clothes were slutty, the camera angles were bad, the dialog was wooden, the story had an incongruity, the director once made an obscene indy film, etc.
I think a blog post about this might descend into being an armchair psychologist.
 
11:51 PM
That is a peril of blogging, sometimes.
 
So I'll shift it down to the b-list of topics... or attempt to pump it up with legitimate concerns about overdocumenting... which is a big problem with me.
 
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