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Zacharee1
Zacharee1
1:01 PM
This is ironic: the boot-repair USB freezes on boot
 
Oli
Oli
@Serg Encryption.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
yeah Ubuntu does not have them in a default install. OpenSSH falls under US Export Law too. And several codecs (like DVD playback)
 
kos
kos
@Rinzwind Apparently in Debian none of the sbins are in $PATH by default. Not sure why.
 
GeoMint
GeoMint
I have that problem with my father's pc
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Q: Boot drops to a (initramfs) prompts/busybox

dpmI am running an HP pavilion dv6000 dual boot win7 and Ubuntu 12.04. (well, up until today). After a reboot, the boot process drops to the BusyBox shell and I end up at the prompt: BusyBox v1.18.5 (Ubuntu 1:1.18.5-1ubuntu4) built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. (ini...

boot initramfs
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@kos I did not expect debian to not have it :-P
 
GeoMint
GeoMint
1:08 PM
new fresh installation of Xubutnu 14.04.4 LTS 32bit
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
Grr. Boot repair just hangs
Well I can get into Ubuntu thru the UEFI menu, so I guess I'll just reinstall
And the mSATA port is on SATA 2 so I can keep GRUB and stuff on the HDD
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 Try boot-repair.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@kos ._.
is grub-install /dev/sda all that's needed to reinstall GRUB?
Nope
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 You also need /boot, /, /home etc to be mounted
swap, etc
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
1:15 PM
@kos I'm in Ubuntu right now. I just need to make it so GRUB boots by default
and not have to go thru the UEFI boot menu
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 Are you dual-booting on the same disk?
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@kos yesh
update-grub done
rebooting
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 What are you doing exactly by the way? You shouldn't need to run grub-install if you're installing Ubuntu after Windows... Did you do it the other way around?
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@kos I installed Windows 10, Ubuntu, then Windows 7 yesterday
So I need to just get GRUB back to the default boot slot
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 Ah right, just sudo update-grub from Ubuntu.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
1:20 PM
sigh
:p
 
kos
kos
:D
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
didn't work :/
one more thing to try
It worked!
I just had to change it in the BIOS
Which I didn't actually believe I could do
 
kos
kos
...
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@kos my other laptops couldn't do that
Now to test Windows 10 to make sure it boots (ugh)
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 "..." was for forgetting to boot from the drive, however how come a BIOS doesn't allow to set the boot drive?
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
1:34 PM
@kos idk
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
Can I use a different bootloader for my Linux OS in place of gnu/grub?
 
user136984
@Oli: So if someone is suspended does it stay on their record for devs and mods to see forever?
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@HenryWHHack Yes, you can
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 Actually it was rhetoric, I think you messed up... It's hard to believe a BIOS won't allow to set the boot order.
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Zacharee1 Oh why will you do that?
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
1:37 PM
@kos well this one does, but HP and Acer lock theirs down
 
blade19899
blade19899
@Takkat So what else is new
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@HenryWHHack Some are more secure, some have high customizability
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 Source backing up your claim or it didn't happen.
 
user136984
This is a good song! :D
 
user136984
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
1:41 PM
@kos I'll go pull the Acer out I guess
@kos wait hang on
 
user136984
I love that album...
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@kos I think there's some confusion
@kos I can select my boot device, I just couldn't select which EFI file to boot from on my HP and Acer
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 You mean the loader?
@Zacharee1 I guess they wouldn't let you do that as long as you have secure boot enabled.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@kos these computers only have semi-UEFI compatibility
I think
No option for secure boot: before Windows 8's time
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector ] Mostly non-Latin answer: How do I make cron email my @gmail account by Alua on askubuntu.com …
 
kos
kos
1:49 PM
@Zacharee1 Ok so just a crappy BIOS.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
didn't know that was something @SmokeDetector could do
@kos Yes
WINDOWS 7 IS SO GREAT
Maybe it isn't as stable as Linux, but its design beats all
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@SmokeDetector unsure how to flag that... it doesn't sell anything so not sales spam, but it doesn't provide any value - so maybe spam
nm NAA
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@hbdgaf but is it NAA? Does it attempt to answer the question or not?
 
user136984
Is anyone else here a big Brussels Sprouts fan? I am! I absolutely love them! :D
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 Not even in Kazak.
 
blade19899
blade19899
1:54 PM
Per Domain PHP Version:
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@kos ?
 
blade19899
blade19899
 
kos
kos
> Remains one of the great poet's life and only God could, but our minds always remain separate from each place of the poet.

Zhambyl many parents of the young generation in a century to the poetry, children, child, youth melody, everything left to us.

Zhambyl felt poetic young man, suffered severe fall in demand will falter, but the poet we have also seen trying to peak for the ball.

Kazakh high honor, blue is the flag that inspired the sky sings Leningrad Oren was invented by the same good song.
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@ParanoidPanda only had them once that i liked them. the trick is to cut in half and soak them to do away with the bitter taste they have. then cook them however you like - olive oil salt and pepper baked to soften them up.
 
blade19899
blade19899
PHP Version Selector addon for Direct Admin, just in case any one wants that
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
1:56 PM
@kos So spam and NAA
 
kos
kos
@Zacharee1 Yeah. I voted NaA but that qualifies also as spam.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
spam is also NAA
NAA not always spam :=)
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@Rinzwind that's why we have separate flags :p
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@seth proto-m launch of this morning: youtube.com/watch?v=2r7qqK5E7fU
 
Serg
Serg
@Oli @Rinzwind @kos ah, well then . . . that sort of makes sense . . . except can't foreign intelligence services analyse those encryption services within the US and just bring back knowledge/data about it back ? redundant but still . . .
 
Oli
Oli
2:08 PM
@ParanoidPanda I'd swear you've asked this before. Yes.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
What was I doing?
 
Oli
Oli
@Serg Sure. I think it's a Cold War hangover and it's only real use today is as a tech sanction, to stop big American companies doing business with countries like Iran.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@Oli suspend him and he'll never have to ask again :+
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@Rinzwind lol
What happened to the starred messages?
ah
glitch
 
Serg
Serg
@Oli just ban Panda for a while from chat , maybe he'll feel better . . . heck, it helped me last time , at least i got homework done :)
 
user136984
2:14 PM
:D
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
feed the paranoia :+
 
user136984
Actually, I do need to get some work done so maybe that wouldn't be such a bad idea @Serg... :P
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
there he is! :=D
 
Serg
Serg
One of those days today where I'm lost . . . like , I've been in college forever, I've been in high school, right ? And still . . .I've no idea how to properly study . . . I've no idea why i cannot manage my time . . . .why i get only like half the work done . . .
Like . . . how do people even human ?
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
my boss works like this: he has an idea. he creates the procedures for that idea without any fancy things. So as plain as possible. He then implements it and clients can ask for extra's
I make the extra's
 
Serg
Serg
2:20 PM
@Rinzwind don't mind me asking but . . . how you've learned it ? Like . . . how do you program ? I know , languages can be adapted, design is what matters more. I just . . . so far have not been able to do it, i just keep writing code , compile-run-recompile type of things, till it works and makes sense . . .
I don't know . . . .maybe i am overthinking it and over-philosophising but . . . .
I am missing links
 
user136984
How does one submit their application to Debian?
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@ParanoidPanda You pray to the GNU/Linux gods
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
school and a course. I said it y-day too: I learn how to program (take a part a conversation or a piece of text to filter out the tables and fields needed to create a sql table and the procedure I need to code software for that table) @serg
 
user136984
@Zacharee1: No, the beast will have to do... >:P
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
my coding experience in order of usage: BASIC, SQL, Javascript, Perl, Python, Java+Groovy, PHP
I learned Cobol 85 Fortran, RPG400, Pascal during school and a course
The coding language is not that important. Those all have their perks: must use a ;, must use tabs/spaces to indent. Each use procedures/calls/functions in a specific way. If you know those ... it is just learning the "words" they use in each language.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
2:26 PM
+1
 
Ubuntu Questions on U&L
Ubuntu Questions on U&L
0
Q: Packages and the like for configuring new systems

Joe HealeyI'm faced with the prospect of moving from a server which has been configured previously with loads and loads of the sorts of tools you forget about day-to-day as you do various tasks (I'm talking about even the basic stuff like java and gcc etc), to a completely bare box (actually several, but I...

ubuntu command-line utilities
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
I can guarantee anyone that can code in Python. Like when you learn to code in Python, know the ins and outs of Python, you can also read perl, c, c++ and any other language.
 
Serg
Serg
@Rinzwind OK . . . so for example, say you've been asked to implement a linked list. . . .what's your design steps ? I know code isn't that important, but . . . how do i design stuff ?
 
kos
kos
@Rinzwind Does Python have pointers?
 
Serg
Serg
@kos nope , but it sure can simulate pointers, because everything in python is a reference
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
2:29 PM
@Serg ehm I have never have been asked it like that. I get a conversation like "we want to start a mailing campaign. Can you make that?" (where they use our software and have a table with customers that have an email)
 
Serg
Serg
It took me a while to get it , because with linked lists it's structs with pointers pointing to another struct in C . . . in python it was all about variables. self.next and self.tail and self.head
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@kos no
and sometimes they even supply the website they want to use. So you start reading up on the API they use. See if they got an example and then decide on how to do it. I made one creating the API in perl. I could have picked python too (basically the 2 options I tend to choose from for server side coding).
and in a year or 2, 3, 4 I saw plenty of perl modules to know what to choose from ;-)
 
Oli
Oli
@kos Not explicitly but like most garbage-collected languages almost everything is actually a pointer to an object instance. You just don't have control over it.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
Can you believe they got rid of this?
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
not clicking that ^^ :=)
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
2:37 PM
@Rinzwind why
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
windows, beta. vista :=)
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
It's beautiful :')
:p
 
Serg
Serg
pukes
Sorry, I'm a bit allergic to windows
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@Serg The OS was bad. The beta sounds are nice
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@kos everything in python is passed by reference, so all arguments are sort of pointers.
 
kos
kos
2:40 PM
@Serg @Rinzwind @Oli @hbdgaf Ok, I was just trying to figure out if a Python programmer could actually read C with ease.
 
Serg
Serg
\ (-_-) / My biggest problem is . . . how do i learn this art of knowing what (tools) exactly to choose for the job and how to know what each method and class should be doing . . . @Rinzwind
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
Whoa
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@kos I think so. yes they might need some googling for some stuff but they will
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
The Windows 98 startup sound is in stereo
 
Serg
Serg
@kos python programmer who never seen pointers probably will be confused by that syntax, python is really minimalistic
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
2:41 PM
@kos If they learn what & and * mean, and the -> is just ., then sort of. Reading is different than writing though.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@Serg and -that- is exactly the big hurdle. But the tools I can choose for have been fixed by the company I work for.
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Zacharee1
Zacharee1
What happened to MS? Their startup/shutdown sounds used to be so good
 
Serg
Serg
For instance , i've spend so much time trying to figure out why a simple __ contains __ method wasn't doing what i needed, only to later realize i needed to edit completely different one to make unit test work
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
think about it like this: client side javascript, server side: apache, perl/python/c/server side javascript and mysql.
and you can cover almost anything
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@Zacharee1 They started focusing on user interface...
 
Serg
Serg
2:43 PM
@Zacharee1 maybe bill gates left company ?
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
@hbdgaf HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, good one
@Serg hmm
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@Serg The fact that you're actively trying to use magic methods designates a certain amount of skill.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
I would assume that is a matter of experience. Heck I have had problems taking a week to find where the issue was a single bloody freaking ; in javascript
Knowing the pitfalls of a language is just experience
 
Serg
Serg
@Rinzwind no , i know that , there's general guidelines what to use on server and client . . .what i am more interested is the logic . . . like for example , good programmer would have 100% bulletproof reason to write a method the way he/she did ; meanwhile , here i am being like "ok, this didn't work, let's try that , nope ? let's try that " . . . basically trial and error . . .i want to get to the level where my code isn't random . . .
 
kos
kos
@Rinzwind @Serg @hbdgaf Yeah, pointers' syntax (so even usage), strong typing vs loose typing and pass by value vs pass by reference. It'd probably take a minute to grasp. Much like doing the other way around (C -> Python).
 
Serg
Serg
2:46 PM
when i was writing that script for setting random wall paper , i knew exactly how to implement the script, what functions to write
that's what i lack most of the time
the knowing
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
heheheh
I replaced my startup sound with Vista's
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@Serg lousy movie >:)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@kos I think the other way C->Python is an easier transition. I would imagine someone that learned C first would say something like "I can't believe you can get away with that" when reading python after they had their aha moment.
 
Serg
Serg
@hbdgaf yeah , at this point i am starting to realize that functions/methods are what simplifies the programming, makes the main code logical and makes code reusable . . .but i struggle with just . . .the overall logic of progam
@rinzwind never seen it . . . maybe i should :p
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
If someone said "For every C object, you have to put in automatic casting. Every function/method automatically tries to cast to the correct type for you" I think C guys could read python instantly.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
2:49 PM
@kos yes but that's probably a bit deeper than I would need to go. The question often is: what does this piece of code do where you have the input and the output and need to figure out why the output is not as intended. That does not really require total knowledge. I said: knowing to code in python you probably can read a piece of perl, c, c++/
 
Serg
Serg
@hbdgaf Every function/method automatically tries to cast to the correct type for you YES ! and also , everything is a reference - everything is a "pointer"
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@Serg well we can both agree that is you need a email input text it is best to code a funtion and put a regex in it copied from the web? :-P
 
Serg
Serg
Classes are structs on steroids
 
kos
kos
@hbdgaf Well I've been to do some stuff in Python recently. The pass by reference thing created some problems at the start (taking out OO-stuff). However yeah assigning stuff without thinking had me thinking "Hey, cool!".
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
decrypting might have become easier: quantamagazine.org/…
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
2:52 PM
@kos if that's where you had a problem - look at deepcopy
 
Serg
Serg
@Rinzwind page not found ?
 
kos
kos
@Rinzwind Yeah, I guess you could figure out more or less what it does almost always.
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
that frustrated me at first too. "I said copy it, not point to it."
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@Serg wtf :P
 
Serg
Serg
@rinzwind well , luckly , the article is on the main page
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
2:54 PM
lol yeah
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@kos Think of it like "Everywhere I duplicate this instance is just a pointer unless I deepcopy explicitly."
 
Serg
Serg
@hbdgaf unless I actually clone this part of memory , it will always be a pointer ? How's that ?
@Rinzwind Well . . .if one thing is for sure, nothing in the universe is random . . . even prime numbers
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@Serg Saying about the same thing. Generating empty multi-dimensional arrays in python always makes me shake my head at least once.
 
kos
kos
@hbdgaf Nice to know. Still have to memorize which objects are mutable and which are not.
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@kos corner case - small ints always point to the same int to speed things up. there are some other weird corner cases.
 
Serg
Serg
3:01 PM
@Rinzwind Also, look at the prime table . . .all the primes above 11 . . . .they all seem to end in either 1, or 3, or 9 or 7 . . . except i don't see 5 there . . .
like duh . . .it wasn't obvious for this long ?
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
wonders if there's a discernible pattern on the transition from add 1 to add 2 to add 4 to add 8 etc etc. if it were that simple, someone would have figured it out a long time ago probably.
anyone watched any of the alphago games?
 
kos
kos
@hbdgaf Corner cases curb my enthusiasm. :)
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
@kos they're few and far between. when you find them - you'll scream at your screen until you accept that they are optimizations or throw your computer out the window.
 
Zacharee1
Zacharee1
My sounds are all Longhorned
 
Serg
Serg
There is certain science to software design . . . I mean , people haven't come from having coding on punch cards to writing complex software such as Libre Office or Firefox without a methodology
that's what i want to understand . . .
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
3:09 PM
All software development is just honeybadgers juggling chainsaws until they have one too many chainsaws in the air.
9
 
Serg
Serg
So it's all magic and unicorns ?
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
It's all pushing a limit until you find the limit. Then it's a little too late.
 
Serg
Serg
@rinzwind by the way, that antivirus question user got sore probably - all answers there got downgoated
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
yeah I saw that
 
Serg
Serg
@Rinzwind do you decide how many methods/functions you need and what each one should do and what sort of variables there should be ?
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
3:20 PM
nope. not upfront.
those are done while coding.
I do have a set of about 2500 functions ready to be used cuz they got created at some point ;-)
like a function to get me street and place from a zipcode+housenumber. Not going to recreate that ;-) Or a function to format numbers. Or a function to set a select box from a JS array.
 
blade19899
blade19899
Don't ever play with SNMP, its not meant for players, but for professionals.
 
user139252
@Serg you realize why none end in 5, right?
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@TheBrownOne he does :+
 
user139252
I certainly hope so :p
 
James
James
+1 stay away from SNMP
it's supposed to be the "Simple Network Management Protocol", but it's not simple.
 
Serg
Serg
3:29 PM
@TheBrownOne because . . . they would be divisible by 5 , which is not by itself right ?
 
kos
kos
@TheBrownOne You realize that that replies exist, right? :P
CC @Serg ^^
 
Serg
Serg
What were people thinking when they named X server X ? they didn't realize it will be pain in the lower part of the body to search for single letter process ?
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@Serg X existed before search engines :+
 
Serg
Serg
@Rinzwind I am not even talking about search engines. How do I 100% know that pgrep X gives me correct answer ?
And I cannot pgrep lightdm, because user could be using gdm
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
@Serg Use pgrep -l X
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
3:39 PM
it gets worse ----->
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
~$ pgrep -l X
2545 Xorg
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
"X derives its name as a successor to a pre-1983 window system called W (the letter preceding X in the English alphabet). W ran under the V operating system. W used a network protocol supporting terminal and graphics windows, the server maintaining display lists."

D:
 
Serg
Serg
facepalm
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
This is similar to the programming languages.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
lol
 
Serg
Serg
3:40 PM
thank god people stopped smoking weed . . . oh wait . . .
I am in Denver . . .
what i am talking about ?
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
Total lack of imagination. Must have been a nerd.
 
Byte Commander
Byte Commander
C++ is derived from C (because in C, the command c++ increments the variable c by 1). And the ancestor of C is B, and the one of that is A.
Oh, and C++ has a successor called D :)
 
Serg
Serg
Yeah, i know that . . .
jeez . . . Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie sure knew how to code . . . but naming man . . .
I guess i can't blame them too much . . . i struggle with creativity myself
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@ByteCommander even naming B BEE C CEE D DEE would be more helpful :P
now for A :-P
 
Serg
Serg
@ByteCommander ok . . . why on earth Xorg is reported by pgrep but not ps -ef | grep -i xorg ?
 
kos
kos
3:44 PM
 
Seth
Seth
Anyone want to write a gui answer to
8
Q: How do I access my Windows partition?

MusaabI have Ubuntu 12.04 installed on my HP G62-453 TU Laptop. I cannot access the contents of my hard disk partition E.

hard-drive
It's got 72k views, but no super helpful answers.
 
terdon
terdon
@Serg They were constrained by the amount of memory available. That's the same reason why all the classic commands only have 2 letter names (ls,mv,ps,cp etc).
 
Serg
Serg
@terdon well that . . .also does make sense . . . even though i work with microcontrollers, i keep forgetting about memory
 
terdon
terdon
Think of machines with such limited resources that naming a function strcpy had measurable benefits over StringCopy.
 
hbdgaf
hbdgaf
4:01 PM
@James "Everyone I know that got really good at SNMP just sort of disappeared one day" -- Jeremy Cioara from CBTNuggets
 
Serg
Serg
Here's exactly one of the problems i was talking about: askubuntu.com/a/744813/295286 This script was no problem for me to design. I knew exactly what functions i needed, sure had to fiddle a bit with flags but . . . how on earth does it turn out that a random script is easier for me to understand that say hash table method design ?
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Serg I am learning programming.
Next week.
 
Serg
Serg
@HenryWHHack great ! Join us :)
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Serg What do you mean join us?
 
Serg
Serg
Most people here learn programming
@SEth Can we move this ? askubuntu.com/q/745882/295286
Also, VTC please ^
Elementary
 
Seth
Seth
4:09 PM
:(
 
Serg
Serg
@Seth why sad smile ?
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Serg Do you want to know why I stopped learning programming?
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
wow gedit in 16.04 is ... minimilistic.
 
Serg
Serg
@HenryWHHack why ?
 
Seth
Seth
hey, it worked for GNOME ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ https://t.co/X82d6EBKJl
Tweeted by thatcoderiguana on February 26, 2016 at 3:49 AM
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
4:13 PM
LOL
 
Seth
Seth
lol
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Serg Because eveything was going fun on codecademy untill
untill
 
Serg
Serg
untill what ?
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
I wish I could join a novice coding group for creating the basic parts for creating some Ubuntu phone app :P
something QMLish
I liked those events we had on AU a couple of years(?) ago
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Serg I came across a question too hard and I stopped stupid question never get around it was doing good untill that question! :(
:(
that question is EVIL!
 
Serg
Serg
4:21 PM
@HenryWHHack NEVER GIVE UP ! Even with hard questions
#programmers #coders #NewYear https://t.co/VmNMlrn0fV
Tweeted by thatcoderiguana on January 1, 2016 at 9:48 PM
@Seth love it ! ^
Aand didn't see that cuz removed
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Serg Wait is that what programming is about giving computers instructions and sloving problems?
something like that?
 
Oli
Oli
:28237798 Hey, please stop deleting messages. It makes the moderators read them and that just annoys us :) If you make a mistake, please just edit your message.
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
+1
@Oli that reminds me of someone..
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Oli Sorry!
 
Serg
Serg
@Oli since you're here for like 5 minutes, mind if I ask . . . how do you design your code ? I mean, you probably were reading around when I was talking with Rinz
@HenryWHHack well, pretty much .. . . programming is about instructions to the computers . . . My big problem is . . . how do i turn an idea into instructions . . . .
 
Oli
Oli
4:29 PM
@Serg How do you mean design?
 
Serg
Serg
@Oli my issue is that far too often instead of coming up with clear idea of how code should be implemented, I just write , fail , rewrite, rerun
I am trying to understand how do people approach designing a program
what methods people use . . . how they organize code . . . how do they decide what should be included and excluded . . .
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Serg What can I do with programming really?
 
Oli
Oli
It usually depends on the problem. If it's a little scripting thing, I'll just write and test and edit and test, etc until it works. The bigger systems I work on usually start with some meetings and documentation, then business logic skeleton objects (classes with stub methods), then tests for all those stubs, finishing by writing the actual code in the stubs.
But more often than not it's somewhere in the middle. Test-driven-development can get really boring if you just want to hack on something for a bit.
 
Serg
Serg
@HenryWHHack what do you mean ? you can write apps obviously ! become a software developer
 
Oli
Oli
The range of stuff I do is quite large too so there isn't one answer. Turning a designers design into a website or website template is a "hack on it until it looks right" job. Planning a database and billing system out is a document→tests→code thing.
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
4:36 PM
did not know you can buy a server wow
well rent
 
Serg
Serg
That sure is true , there is wide range for programs, various types. The "hack on it until it looks right" just . . .bothers me somewhat . . . I feel somewhat incompetent and trying to improve my level.
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Q: What is this icon button showing?

artfulrobotJust trying Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 Beta1. There's an icon I don't recognise in the user menu: What does it do? If I click it the menu vanishes and next time I peek in it's got a padlock. What is it locking?

gnome 16.04
16.04 , OT
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Serg I didn't know that you can buy a vernontechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/…
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
Hello @Serg ! :) How are you today my friend ?
 
Serg
Serg
@HenryWHHack yes you can :) Look on servermonkey.com
 
Ubuntu Questions on U&L
Ubuntu Questions on U&L
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Q: Blank 'Grub Boot Menu' when changing boot options

ProletariatI was having the issue of a black screen on Ubuntu restart and startup. I started following this guide on how to fix it but whenever I change anything in the Grub Boot Menu like nomodeset then press Ctrl + X or F10 to boot, it just goes to this screen: Then stays like this. Doesn't respond t...

ubuntu boot grub boot-loader mate
 
Serg
Serg
4:41 PM
@cl-netbox quite well, thank you . How about yourself ?
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@Serg How much?
 
user139252
@kos Yes, but I was on mobile and half asleep :P
 
Serg
Serg
@HenryWHHack depends on type of hardware you want . . .can be fairly cheap, around 100$ - 200$ and up
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Serg I am completely disappointed and upset - I received a downvote for an accepted and working answer one hour ago ! The user was happy that I solved his boot problem ... and this was not the first time the man did it !
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@oli I so look at it differently then Serg does :-D :-D
 
user139252
4:43 PM
@HenryWHHack You can also use a Raspberry Pi as a pretty nifty low-power server
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@cl-netbox ah dont bother getting angry over it. Happens.
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
@TheBrownOne There good products!
 
user139252
By the way, if you want to learn Python, you can use that link I just posted :P
 
Serg
Serg
@cl-netbox i am sure you'll gain more than that one downvote :)
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Serg Why ??? please explain ...
 
Serg
Serg
4:45 PM
@cl-netbox I am saying you can gain more than you've lost
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Rinzwind this was one from an intelligent member with great knowledge !
 
Serg
Serg
you always have good answers, they are very well received within community too
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@Serg adding one more thing: I always have problems learning something new if there is no pressure behind it. My boss asked me once what would be better to connect to apache: perl or python. He wanted to know the overhead for interpreted languages in microseconds (since our website is getting hit 2, 3 million times a day... )
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Serg But @Serg ... I take this one seriously, please read the comments -> askubuntu.com/questions/745737/… - this really is no fun ... it completely makes no sense !
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
I had no idea how to get proof for it :-D so google, google, google. Results was ... does not make a difference. Told my boss to stop wasting my time and just add -both- to it :DDDD
@cl-netbox remove the comments.... those attract downvotes by themself.
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
4:50 PM
@Rinzwind Can you please tell me how to stop Rod Smith to keep on doing this ? He is not a stupid noob ! That is the problem ...
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@cl-netbox well in THIS case he might have a point IF there is a method to do this without re-installing. You got the upvote cuz the person asking the question does not know any better ;-) If I was you i'd read up on his 1st comment and see if he was correct (as you said: he is NOT stupid ;-) )
 
Henry WH Hack
Henry WH Hack
b1933979@trbvn.com this email address is disposable stop spam expires in 10 mins!
 
Serg
Serg
@cl-netbox I see that user seems to repeatedly downvote your answers. If that user continues to do so , let @Seth or @oli know - this is not acceptable behavior
 
kos
kos
@TheBrownOne Being on mobile is not an excuse anymore after the mobile chat has been updated ;)
 
user139252
@Kos Not on all devices, apparently.
 
user139252
4:53 PM
I was on an older, junky tablet
 
kos
kos
@TheBrownOne Which device? I see the new version on my Nexus 7 2012
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Rinzwind He always points to his website with his rEFInd tool in many answers ... also he prefers Windows approaches ... that is okay ... but my solution is an ubuntu built-in one that simply does its job :)
@Serg Thank you ! :)
@Rinzwind Thank you ! :)
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@cl-netbox if you are unlucky he is the creator of it and know exactly what he is talking about making all his downvotes valid >:-DDDDDD @seth
would be really unlucky I agree. But ... it would also be funny as hell
 
Serg
Serg
Still , repeated downvoting and targeting a user isn't acceptable
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
I am here.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
4:57 PM
James!
ignoring jokerdino
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
:(
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
lol
 
Serg
Serg
What is this, the gathering of the mods ?
 
Oli
Oli
@cl-netbox FWIW, he has actually upvoted you a lot more than he's downvoted. Probably shouldn't say that, but just to deter any pile on here. I can sense people picking up their pitchforks.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
heya @jokerdino
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
4:57 PM
@Rinzwind yes he is the creator ... isn't that cross-advertising ? ... and downvotes are for bad or misleading answers - right ? I only answer when I tested them myself before ...
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
@cl-netbox oh IS he? I just guessed about that :-X
 
jokerdino
jokerdino
The last of the green Oli.
 
Rinzwind
Rinzwind
ooh Oli is showing info he might not should >:-D
 
cl-netbox
cl-netbox
@Oli Thank you ! :)
 
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