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Zacharee1

12:05 AM

Slow extraction

Have to manually install the WiFi driver. Laptop's too new :p

Thankfully the site supplies Windows 7 drivers

Hey it worked

Zacharee1

12:31 AM

Chatting from Windows 7

Graphics still installing

And activated

@Seth you're in CA?

@Seth Oh, you're in Seattle

Seth

What? I can't hear you over the thunder and rain outside!

Zacharee1

sigh

It sounds bad

This .NET Framework installation for NVIDIA is taking forever

The drive indicator is blinking so something's happening

OK this isn't right

It's taking way too long

badp

12:48 AM

yo, so I upgraded to xenial, and while grive does still works for me, I wanted a taste of that real native Google Drive integration

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 a fresh .net install can take a while

It needs to compile stuff, oddly enough

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek it was going on 15 minutes without progress

I force cancelled and rebooted

badp

I added my Google Apps for Work account and it identified... Hangouts... Photos? and nothing else. (That's not entirely unsurprising since we don't use e.g. GMail)

Zacharee1

BUT I'M ON WINDOWS 7 :DDDDD

Journeyman Geek

I'm on windows 10

badp

12:50 AM

is Google Drive integration hidden behind some other package?

@JourneymanGeek but is it an insider preview build?

Journeyman Geek

naw

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek Windows 10 has been nothing but a headache since I reinstalled

badp

@JourneymanGeek aww.

Journeyman Geek

All my systems are in the regular track

Zacharee1

Even before then

badp

12:51 AM

you're missing out on the occasional MEMORY_MANAGEMENT bluescreen

Zacharee1

@badp darn

badp

also I guess new features that are so tiny I can hardly notice any

I guess the current build refreshed the lockscreen

Zacharee1

@badp what'd it do?

I'm not going to dare to go back to insider builds

Journeyman Geek

oh, my desktop BSODs if I have my external soundcard plugged in during my daily backup

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek Windows 10, the most stable OS yet

badp

12:54 AM

@Zacharee1 cosmetic stuff

Zacharee1

@badp screenie pls :p

badp

@Zacharee1 of the lockscreen?

Zacharee1

@badp picture then? Preview from Settings?

badp

eh I've seen OSX bluescreen when plugging in a thumbdrive

Zacharee1

@badp But that's Mac

Journeyman Geek

12:55 AM

oh, maudio's drivers are bad

its just a wierd interaction I guess

badp

@Zacharee1 when I first installed it the lockscreen picture and the login prompt picture were the same

so when the lockscreen went up, the login prompt faded in

now they're out of sync again? so it's back to old behaviour

Zacharee1

oh

weird

badp

btw, those lockscreen pictures.

they've pretty much been licensing a different professional photo every day, and, psst

 cd /cygdrive/c/Users/*/AppData/Local/Packages/Microsoft.Windows.ContentDeliveryManager_*/LocalState/Assets

that is where they are stored

there's also the occasional app icon there so use identify from imagemagick to see which pictures are the real deal

or maybe just du | sort -n

Iunno

Zacharee1

You edit a lot

badp

I do because I care!

Zacharee1

1:03 AM

:P

@JourneymanGeek still installing

GAH

Internet is cutting out again

Manually installed netfx 4.0 and it's not looking good

downloaded fine, but no install progress

jokerdino

1:39 AM

@Seth Thanks! Do keep me posted.

Seth

Will do. I assume you are subscribed to the mailing list?

jokerdino

Yes, but you know how well I manage my inbox. :S

Seth

:P

Seth

2:11 AM

Oh wow, the branch with the changes was approved for merging on the 11th. Looks like it might land afterall.

Zacharee1

what?

Seth

code.launchpad.net/~feng-kylin/unity/unityshell-rotated-kylin/…

Zacharee1

cool

hbdgaf

Next time I hear someone say cable management:

2

Zacharee1

whoa

jokerdino

2:18 AM

@hbdgaf impossible

@Seth yay?

Zacharee1

@jokerdino Unity Launcher on bottom

Seth

2:43 AM

@jokerdino my personal opinion is meh, but if users want it...

Zacharee1

2:59 AM

3.9GB worth of updates

Yeesh

I missed you, Windows 7

But wow, it's a lot of updates

25% done already O_o

THE OS IS SO FAST

not fats lol

user139252

3:32 AM

Texas is lame. Only 10:30pm here and we ran out of things to do

user139252

@Zacharee1 I still don't see why you keep using Windows...

Zacharee1

@TheBrownOne Be like my neighbors and go hunting at 11:30

@TheBrownOne Because I have to for school

And if I'm going to I might as well have Windows 7

94% of that 4GB

The speed varies a lot

Sometimes it goes 7% in a minute

Sometimes it's like 7 minutes per %

95%

jumped to 99

kos

@muru +1 here (discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/q/23099/148915), however I posted an identical question some days ago (perhaps I shouldn't have delete it) and it was insta-closed by Robert Cartaino. Apparently you're not welcome to discuss on-topic / off-topic directly in the discussion area, he said what's on-topic / off-topic is to be determined via the sample questions. So technically we're supposed to post a sample question about a derivative.

Zacharee1

Creating a restore point...

It's installing the German display language for some reason

Well I accidentally selected all the language packs to install

So now I have to redownload

muru

3:50 AM

@kos He did? O.o Because there were at least three such discussion posts about the Vi and Vim proposal: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/80441?phase=definition

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Q: Are vimgolf questions on topic on vi/vim?

Would asking vimgolf style questions be on topic on vi/vim? This is a type of question that is poorly suited for SO and most of the other SE sites. While it is conceivable that such a question would be suited to CodeGolf.SE, they only have two vimgolf questions there. It also does not feel clear ...

20

Q: Would NeoVim be included?

Proposal: Vi and vim Seems like NeoVim (the engine) would make sense to be included, but what about NeoVim front ends?

technology

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Q: Would questions relating to gvim, elvis, nvi be relevant?

Proposal: Vi and vim I've seen others relate to gvim in proposal questions. See comments. I also have a pocket guide for vi and Vim, which includes "Additional features in vile, elvis, and nvi" (O'Reilly). Although other editors may be less popular, I think it is important to include them in t...

technology feature-request

and probably

2

Q: Improving the plugin API for vim

Proposal: Vi and vim Could we discuss some of the issues related to the current version of vim, especially the unpleasant parts apropos its plugin API, and how it could be improved? I am aware that neovim is a project meant to rectify this issue. I am interested in knowing how neovim, or other s...

technology

Zacharee1

Now WU isn't showing the progress

kos

@muru He did. I can't find the deleted question, but the comment went along the lines of "Only discussions strictly related to the proposal itself should go here, what's on-topic or off-topic is to be determined via the sample questions. But keep the question ready for when the site launches.". O.o

muru

All right, I'll let him close this one and keep it undeleted as a sign post. :D

kos

Yep. Shouldn't have deleted mine >.>

By the way there's no way to see own past deleted questions, is there?

muru

On Area51, dunno. Here, sure.

Seth

3:56 AM

I see RolandiXor on the frontpage!

He's alive!

muru

@kos What's in discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/users/…?

@Seth Kill it! Kill it fire!

Seth

O_O

kos

@muru There it is! How come I don't have the link to see recently deleted questions on the profile?

However here's the comment:

> What is on topic and off topic can be voted on by the "example questions" of the proposal. But hang on to your question until the site is actually launched. I can appreciate your enthusiasm for getting started on the broader administrative challenges of running this site, but it is best to save these questions for the folks who are going to be actively using this site in actual practice. Area 51 is for questions about getting the proposal launched. Sorry about the confusion.

hbdgaf

4:14 AM

I can't tell if this is someone making fun of the Arch stackexchange proposal or not

Journeyman Geek

o0

hbdgaf

It was pretty close to the area51 question about "UL subsumes arch" bringing up that old debate again.

So, I heard SE uses MSSQL. I wonder if they'll be switching to linux in the datacenter now that MSSQL is coming to linux? Odd theoretical questions.

Journeyman Geek

Somewhat doubtful

hbdgaf

I doubt it too. Just a thought that whizzed in one ear and out the other.

kos

4:49 AM

NaAs -> askubuntu.com/a/745639/380067, askubuntu.com/a/745605/380067, askubuntu.com/a/745580/380067, askubuntu.com/a/745577/380067, askubuntu.com/a/745465/380067, askubuntu.com/a/745455/380067

kos

5:49 AM

If you have enough score and feel like doing so, please vote on this suggested synonym: stable-release-updates -> updates (askubuntu.com/tags/updates/synonyms).

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

6:31 AM

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Q: Wacom Tablet (integrated; X201T) disconnects sporadically

I have an X201 tablet with stylus and finger multitouch running Ubuntu 14.04.4 with the 4.2.0 kernel. For no apparent reason, it seems to have an affinity for not recognizing finger (henceforth referred to as "touch") input after previously working. A typical scenario is a seamless boot into a co...

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kos

7:18 AM

Suicide Linux -> recommended for production systems

Lol: Hannah Montana Linux

kos

8:05 AM

NaA -> askubuntu.com/a/745712/380067

Another one -> askubuntu.com/a/745711/380067

Ditto -> askubuntu.com/a/745710/380067

Henry WH Hack

@kos Are you still here?

kos

8:20 AM

@HenryWHHack Yes

Henry WH Hack

@kos Question:How many hours a day should I spend learn programming will 5 do or 7 hours?

I know I know annoying!

@hbdgaf WOW WHAT?

What does the wires do is it some super machine?

I can hear you telling yourself oh this boy is stupid he is so stupid!

@Takkat I am just having a talk with myself!

kos

@HenryWHHack I'd say that's personal... Whatever time you can and you're willing to spend. Personally I find that practicing constantly is more important than spending lots of time when you're learning something, because your brain is kept focused on what you're learning and new information is kept fresh. Of course spending more time will get you farther in a shorter time (to some extent though: trying to learn too much stuff at once when you're starting could just confuse you).

@Takkat Thought so as well, but then I looked at the user's registration date and they registered 2 months ago. I think it migh be just a bad question

Takkat

8:40 AM

@kos that game was mentioned by spammers before... it is a hidden attempt to let us google for a pirate site mentioned in the post. Entirely unrelated to Ubuntu.

Henry WH Hack

7 hours!

kos

@Takkat Yeah it looks so spammy. Ok flagged. But do spammers really register 2 months before just to get their posts through?

Takkat

@kos good point, but who knows what is in the mind of a spammer?

kos

@Takkat Well, not me. But fair point. It just looked weird.

2

\o/

Takkat

@kos I would also have some doubt if they were asking for an Ubuntu game version... but this is not the case here.

@kos grats!

kos

8:54 AM

@Takkat Yeah... Thinking about it most likely it's spam.

@Takkat Thanks!

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

9:46 AM

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Q: CIB not supported: validator 'pacemaker-2.0', release '3.0.9'

I am trying to make two node cluster with pacemaker and corosync. when I want to change config with crm get bellow error: " CIB not supported: validator 'pacemaker-2.0', release '3.0.9'" I can use crm for status and other feature but I can't change config with it. anyone work with pacemaker? ps :...

ubuntu cluster pacemaker

Byte Commander

9:56 AM

Yay, I became a Guru! :D

cl-netbox

Good morning :)

@ByteCommander Congrats ! :)

Rinzwind

@ByteCommander @kos gratz you 2

Byte Commander

Thanks. I got it for Panda's package of cd question

It just reached +40 votes.

cl-netbox

@ByteCommander Great my friend - well done ! :)

kos

@Rinzwind Thanks!

cl-netbox

10:13 AM

Hello @kos ! :)

kos

Morning @cl-netbox!

Rinzwind

if I answer a question and then add the commandline tag does that count? :X

@Serg askubuntu.com/questions/745747/… duping it. he agrees on your link :-)

@ByteCommander grrrrrrrrrrrrrr :-D

Byte Commander

10:28 AM

:-D

Henry WH Hack

@kos I am going with 7 hours every other day.

Rinzwind

@ByteCommander I got stuck on 17 Got fed up updating it _O-

kos

@HenryWHHack 7 hours a day is commitment. Good luck!

Henry WH Hack

@kos My time chat goes like.

@kos This leaves a question now.

Should I give up science for programming?

kos

10:45 AM

@HenryWHHack That I can't really answer for you.

You should think about what's better for you.

Henry WH Hack

@kos Also I don't really want to be a programmer I am learning it because I want to be a white hat hacker I love securing computers,networks,learn about computer security and IT/SEC the world need more white hats!

but I don't want to be a programmer

I forgot pentesting.

and encryption!

@kos Are you a white hat hacker?

if so how did you learn it?

Does the bot make errors false results anything like that?

kos

@HenryWHHack Nope, not at all. However I'd guess some basic knowledge of programming would be required or highly suggested in any kind of hacking-related activity.

Henry WH Hack

@kos If you are hacking without programming your a SCRIPT KIDDIE!!!!

kos

@HenryWHHack Yeah, I agree with that.

Zacharee1

11:05 AM

MORE UPDATES

I guess this is what happens when you install a 2010 OS (SP1) in 2016

9/32

Saladin

Zacharee1

wat

Saladin

lol

this is my interaction with ALIexpress AI chat support bot

pretty cool <<

Zacharee1

:P

20/32

Saladin

i troll the AI bot:)

Zacharee1

11:19 AM

22/32

Saladin

lol

Zacharee1

srsly

So many

Toooooo many

27/32

29/32

Whoa whoa whoa

Windows Update auto-installed Skype

I was going to anyway, but wow

Takkat

@Zacharee1 Windows introduced cumulative updates as early as in Windows 10... Before that each application update needed be installed prior to the next update. This led to insane update orgies where computers became unusable for hours until the update process finally came to its end.

Zacharee1

11:41 AM

@Takkat Go MS...

It's going to be a pain to move Windows 10 and 7 to the SSD when I get it

Takkat

I believe there is a software to do that .. at least they used something like that in our company.

Zacharee1

@Takkat It's called partition cloning, and I know how to do it. It just takes forever. I think I'm going to downsize the partitions as much as possible to clone them and then resize them to fill the SSD

Installing MORE updates

MOAR

GeoMint

@Zacharee1 windows version?

Zacharee1

7

Still have 10, but I'm hoping to use 7 more

GeoMint

11:57 AM

i hate the 10

the Get_Windows_X (GWX) program that was running on my win8 pc made me hate it

Rinzwind

U8 crashes my notebook :*

GeoMint

lol

Zacharee1

@GeoMint Get the GWX Control Panel to disable those popups

@Rinzwind noteboot

I hope the SSD is SATA 1 or 2, so GRUB will continue to work

Now for boot-repair to actually get GRUB back

user136984

@Nathan: Hey, when is George going to release another YouTube video? :)

GeoMint

@Zacharee1 i just moved the C:\Windows\System32\GWX to documents :P

i never saw that again

Zacharee1

12:07 PM

@GeoMint that works too I guess xD

GeoMint

:P

Zacharee1

This data partition is great. I can set my system folder locations on Windows 7/10 and Ubuntu to the folders on the drive and have my Downloads, Desktop, Documents, etc. shared

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] URL-only title, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: http://thecrazymass.blogspot.com/2016/03/max-muscle-extreme.html by todiskhelton on askubuntu.com …

GeoMint

being a company behind the os is very good i think.

a community can not do the same

Zacharee1

@GeoMint yeah, you can do whatever you want and say "the customer wants it"

@GeoMint Ubuntu?

GeoMint

12:10 PM

ubuntu = company + community

the compination is the best

Zacharee1

@GeoMint the what

Rinzwind

@GeoMint Ubuntu = Canonical + community :+)

GeoMint

true

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek After installing about 5GB worth of updates after using a couple fixes, netfx installs fine

Restarting AGAIN

GeoMint

@Zacharee1 i have a lot of ideas... ;)

Takkat

12:13 PM

5

GeoMint

hahahahahahaha

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Best joke out there

i stopped the updates on my pc

Takkat

We have it organized so much better... just a red sign in the top panel that says we should just reboot some times.

GeoMint

:)

Journeyman Geek

I tend to hit it with wsus offline updates if its a fresh install

Rinzwind

@Takkat and even then you can still forget about it :P

what is sooooooooo stupid is that they force updates during a shutdown

Takkat

12:16 PM

@Rinzwind my machine never ever stopped working, not even on a do-release-upgrade.

Rinzwind

so you want to go home. close your notebook and have to wait another hour

Zacharee1

@Takkat Honestly, that's what this feels like

Takkat

or on poweron - it can take half an hour until you can check e-mails.

Rinzwind

yeah

and we can keep on using firefox during an install of the OS.

Zacharee1

@Takkat I think if you press shift or change an option that'll go away

@Rinzwind Or install Chrome and use it :p

Rinzwind

12:17 PM

basically: WE RULE!

Zacharee1

I'm going to have so many driver installers to delete

Journeyman Geek

heh

does chrome does the annoying keeping all the old installers thing on linux?

Zacharee1

Another reboot because the chipset driver wasn't installed

@JourneymanGeek what?

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 chrome keeps old version installers on linux

you periodically need to clear them out manually

user136984

If you're suspended from one SE site you can still do stuff on others can't you?

Journeyman Geek

12:23 PM

most of the time

unless its a network wide suspension

user136984

Oh dear, I've got Buddhist chants going round in my head... :D

Journeyman Geek

and a suspension on your main account = chat account.

Oli

@ParanoidPanda I guess that depends who suspends you. A SE staff member would be able to suspend you network-wide.

Journeyman Geek

I decided as hillarious as it was, it might be offensive to the insufficiently enlightened ;p

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda what'd you do?

user136984

12:26 PM

:D

user136984

@Zacharee1: What do you mean?

Zacharee1

sigh

user136984

@Oli: How would you tell if somebody had got a network-wide suspension? Would it say that they had been suspended on all of their SE profiles or wouldn't you be able to tell?

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda if they have 1 rep on everything you can be pretty confident

user136984

Well, the person I'm thinking of has never posted on any of the sites he's part of other than the site he was suspended from, so that's hard to tell...

Zacharee1

12:28 PM

@ParanoidPanda and if they have a suspension message on every site you can tell for sure

user136984

They've only got it on one site, I was just wondering because they seem to go to the other sites they are part of, but they never seem to post or interact at all so I was just curious if it was a network-wide one... And if I could tell...

Zacharee1

I think the message is the way

Is this Michael?

user136984

Who? No...

user136984

No, it's a certain guy who rather likes ducks a little too much for his own good and I just like to keep an eye on him...

Henry WH Hack

@ParanoidPanda Are you a white hat hacker?

if so how did you become one?

Zacharee1

12:32 PM

The guy whose answers were always
Have you tried this:
some command
and it might work fine this way

He never repsonded when we told him that was not a good way to answer questions

And most of the time the answers were wrong, dangerous or copies of older answers

user136984

@HenryWHHack: Among other things, yes, I've always had a talent for finding weaknesses in systems.

Henry WH Hack

@ParanoidPanda What?

user136984

What do you mean what?

Henry WH Hack

@ParanoidPanda WOW!

user136984

Ok...

user136984

12:34 PM

@Zacharee1: Must have missed that guy...

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda I find that hard to believe

user136984

@Zacharee1: There was a period in which I wasn't really going through the review queues that much and I wasn't really looking at other answers and questions as I was very busy with other stuff so maybe that's when it all occurred... What's happened to him now? Does he still lurk in the depths of this site? :D

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda he was suspended, I think until the 22nd

29th

Michael, Haderslev

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14.04 apt boot wireless drivers grub2 updates

user136984

Ah...

Zacharee1

Like:

You could try this, and enter this from the terminal:

 dconf replace -f /org/compiz
 unity --reset-icon &disown
 sudo dkms-reconfigure unity
and it might work fine this way.

Serg

12:49 PM

So, I've installed openSUSE with gnome

First reaction. . . . Why on earth an os is under the US export laws ?

Second, ifconfig is in sbin and sbin by default isn't in user's path

So either type full path or use sudo

Finally . . . .Ubuntu has far smoother installation process.

So far, i am happier with Ubuntu. Will see if suse can impress me more

kos

@Serg It's the same in Debian IIRC.

Zacharee1

Meh? Meh+?: askubuntu.com/questions/745811/…

Rinzwind

@kos sbin is in our path though

Oli

@ParanoidPanda I'd probably be able to see the annotation on the account explaining why they'd been suspended.

Rinzwind

@Serg plus it mentions AskUbuntu in the slideshow. Suse does not dare to do that :D

oh and the US Export Law: probably cuz they ship with encryption tools. That's not allowed from the US to the outside without authorization from the US gov.

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