The Whiteboard

user114359

5:01 PM

@JimmyHoffa "people realized flavor in beer is a good thing" is this why Bud Lite sells so well?

@Snowman I didn't say everyone did. I'm guessing as to why Yeungling only became popular after the craft beer revival of the 90s

user114359

@KitZ.Fox New England's geriatric QB is better than Denver's geriatric QB.

user114359

@JimmyHoffa It is the best of the cheap beers, I'll give it that.

Kit Z. Fox

@Snowman I'm not sure that's true. Peyton Manning is a really good QB.

They are both excellent.

That's why I'm so psyched to watch the game. I love when we play the Broncos. That's some good football!

user114359

@KitZ.Fox Yeah, he ~~was~~ is. He didn't even have a passing TD yesterday, after throwing approximately 4,792 TDs the previous season.

Kit Z. Fox

5:04 PM

@Snowman Well, his foot hurts. He's just trying to limp to the end of the season.

user55340

@Snowman come on... its not like they need walkers on the field and have Mick Jagger as the half time show...

Kit Z. Fox

I feel bad for whatshisname, the new one that the Broncs won't gel around.

user114359

@MichaelT Tom Brady successfully did the QB sneak for a rushing TD on Saturday, at age... 37? 38? Ancient in the NFL is all I know.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT seriously, I recall hearing about these guys as the new great rookies and that does not feel that long ago... ugh.

user114359

@KitZ.Fox Brock Osweiller is Manning's replacement after his next hip replacement and retirement.

Kit Z. Fox

5:05 PM

He's 38. Ancient, but not actually that ancient for a QB.

@Snowman Right. That guy.

Lightness Races in Orbit

did I click on The Sportsboard by mistake

Kit Z. Fox

It's like Garafolo pacing up and down on the sidelines, thinking about how much it sucks to play pro football.

user114359

@KitZ.Fox True, Brett Favre had already retired twice by that age and was still playing.

Jimmy Hoffa

Elway is Geriatric except don't kid yourselves, he's just a very wealthy 55 year old.

Kit Z. Fox

Well, Manning doesn't get hit as much as some QBs, and no QB gets hit as much as say a tight end.

coughs Welker coughs

Lightness Races in Orbit

5:07 PM

and let's not forget they're wearing a massive amount of padding, protective helmets, ...

Kit Z. Fox

Which is why tight ends have four year careers or whatever.

user114359

@JimmyHoffa reminds me of those Papa Johns commercials were Steve Young shows up and makes some remark basically "hey I'm still around, pay attention to me!" that's Peyton Manning in a few years.

Kit Z. Fox

And QBs have a decade or more.

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Not QBs.

Lightness Races in Orbit

@KitZ.Fox are they nekkid? (modulo clothing)

Kit Z. Fox

@LightnessRacesinOrbit They have a helmet, but very little padding. That's why there are special rules about tackling QBs.

user55340

5:08 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit significantly less padding and protection to allow for greater range of movement and speed on the field.

user114359

QBs still wear padding and helmets. They won't have the midsection "padding" that linemen have though...

user55340

They count on the linebackers to be their padding.

enderland

I've always been a packers fan, my younger brother was obsessed with them and being fairly indifferent myself... picked up that too (plus seriously when I was a kid, I watched the Vikings be horrible in spite of good players/money and the Twins do great with almost no money)

Kit Z. Fox

And when they run, they will often slide feet first before they get hit, so that they don't get hit.

user114359

I like watching sports but I'm not too into it. End of the day whoever wins I still go to my job making a fraction of league minimum salary.

user55340

5:09 PM

@enderland At least you aren't a ~~St. Louis~~ Los Angeles Rams fan.

Jimmy Hoffa

Dec 12 '12 at 16:37, by MichaelT

that's just funny

+1

user55340

@JimmyHoffa A classic!

Kit Z. Fox

What I like about the Pats is that they are very team-oriented.

user55340

Doctor Fun was the first 'web' comic... before it was a web.

Kit Z. Fox

@JimmyHoffa Hahaha.

user55340

5:10 PM

Doctor Fun

Doctor Fun was a webcomic by David Farley, which ran from September 24, 1993 to June 9, 2006. It may have been the first popular episodic World Wide Web comic strip. It was preceded by Witches and Stitches which was distributed via CompuServe in 1985, and Where the Buffalo Roam which was distributed via Usenet in 1991. Dr. Fun's appearance on the World Wide Web was noted by the NCSA, creator of the Mosaic web browser, as "a major breakthrough for the Web" in 1993. Most often compared to The Far Side, Doctor Fun was a series of bizarre one-panel gags. Topics range from the mundane to the obscure...

user55340

Ok, so it was with the web.

user55340

Still, ancient.

Kit Z. Fox

@MichaelT Barely.

Jimmy Hoffa

Piggers are going all the way this year

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah, that's valid.

Go Pats.

I'd rather spend money on that than the Kardashians or Trump or American Idol or Survivor.

I'd also prefer to spend more money on sustainability. I do what I can.

enderland

5:16 PM

I don't think I realized Trump was serious until a few weeks ago when I heard a radio advertisement... I think all along I just accepted him as a complete joke candidate

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah, it's scary.

user55340

enderland

@KitZ.Fox you might like this blog - mrmoneymustache.com - lots of interesting perspectives on that

Kit Z. Fox

@enderland Thanks. Looks interesting.

enderland

@KitZ.Fox his entire premise is we spend way more than we need to and consume way more (and then advocates early retirement as a way to not do that, hah)

Kit Z. Fox

5:19 PM

I'm trying not to go insane with tracking my priorities. Number one is always "Teach the kids the right stuff." This gets so complicated that eventually I slip to the 10th priority "Finish knitting that thing I'm working on."

enderland

enderland just finished a crafty type of thing this morning haha

I like doing that sort of thing

Kit Z. Fox

@enderland Yeah, we've been fighting the good fight to manage and eliminate debt and be sensible about our choices. It gets so tiring.

user55340

Kit Z. Fox

And since we're suddenly well-off, it's hard not to indulge.

enderland

yeah that's the trick

lifestyle inflation is really, really hard to avoid

Jimmy Hoffa

5:20 PM

@KitZ.Fox the problem isn't individual spending, it's the collaboration of stealing economic opportunity from people by focusing their education on constructing them into a product for corporations to profit on rather than educating them to produce for themselves and society at large directly. Less than 2% of those products even get launched, the rest are left to try scrapping together a life after their education systems attempt at productizing and marketing them provided no resultant buyers.

Kit Z. Fox

@enderland And my MiL helped us considerably and so we want to lavish money on her in return.

@JimmyHoffa Yeah. I agree with you.

It's a tricky thing to teach kids. We're doing our best.

enderland

modern society sure gives us a lot of problems along with its benefits..

Kit Z. Fox

Anyone who says it is easy is selling you something.

Or alternatively, not doing it right.

Maybe they should try jQuery.

user55340

@enderland USA Today Banned in Britain? Parliament debates keeping Trump out

enderland

man that semantic versioning question already got closed? ugh

user55340

5:30 PM

@enderland I'm sure I've seen a duplicate-ish of that recently, but "-1" is hard to search for.

Thomas Owens

@enderland Yeah. How are we supposed to know how Adobe handles their versioning? Go ask them.

enderland

Adobe Flash is a notable case where a four-part version number is indicated publicly, as in 10.1.53.64 - suggests that there is a problem with supportdetails interpreting a 4 digit version number (as @tkausl notes it is a 4 digit version in his case too). — enderland 28 secs ago

user55340

Alternatively, its a bug with support details site... again, go ask them.

Thomas Owens

@enderland So then go complain to the person who made that website. Either way, not good for SE.

enderland

@MichaelT I think the question of "does a negative version number make sense?" is still a useful question

Jimmy Hoffa

5:32 PM

ah man, the JavaScript I wrote for that stupid plink thing has so many possibilities... I'm going to try drawing with it when I get home

user55340

@enderland "In SemVersion? Not allowed. For other systems, too many possible answers"

Jimmy Hoffa

I should be able to display a vertical line, just have to chart the Y coords for a sequence of lines that get thinner and thicker as the screen travels so I can make it scroll letters H E L L O

:D

also with this I should be able to make it play midi files easily

absolute abuse of what they were trying to do when creating that app but it's too fun not to mess with

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa What you call "abuse", I call "emergent properties".

user114359

@enderland I agree, but barely. Versioning is almost by definition opinion-based, or at least specific to a product. Even if rephrased to ask "what use is it?" could be an opinion poll. But the topic is still interesting.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens I wonder how hard it would be to create a game like the old graphic calculator speed game where you have to go left/right to avoid the walls wizzing by.. anytime someone else plays a beat outside of the moving walls I spam it makes a crashing sound and shows an explosion

:D

enderland

5:45 PM

0

Q: Is it legally fine to name a project or a library with a famous person name?

I wonder if there are any legal reasons for that to be not ok? There are many precedents, e.g. Sinatra, Kafka, Shakespeare, Django etc , so are there any limitations ? (living people etc)

that's an intriguing one hahah

user55340

@enderland That's a "migrate to Law.SE"

Thomas Owens

Is it good enough to migrate to a Beta site?

enderland

@MichaelT yeah I figure it's way over the "legal" line but I was amused regardless :)

user55340

A) Beta threshold tends to be much less in the name of "getting eyeballs"

user55340

B) I don't see an issue with the standard close issues - too broad, unclear, or opinion.

Thomas Owens

5:47 PM

@MichaelT Wait...what? No, migration to a Beta site has a higher threshold.

enderland

@ThomasOwens eh, I've never been under the impression there are defined rules other than "don't migrate crap" for migration (even to beta sites)

people say "don't migrate to beta sites" but I've never really understood why that's even important

If it's a decent question then it shouldn't depend on whether the target site is graduated or not

user55340

The "can we get that question" for beta sites often seems lower... and IMHO beta site questions tend to be ones that wouldn't fly here.

Thomas Owens

@enderland Nope, the policy has been to let beta sites develop on their own. Define their own scope and quality guidelines.

Not send them things from other sites.

user55340

The question is - is it a crap question... and I don't know enough about law to be able to say for certain.

Kit Z. Fox

Does it make sense to include this: "These user stories describe the expected behavior of the site search." in a feature description?

user55340

5:49 PM

But whatever the case, its off topic here.

user114359

@enderland that is a trademark question which is off-topic everywhere as far as I know. Plus it is asking for legal advice: "can I do this?" Finally, it lacks information about jurisdiction. What is okay in the US might be illegal in the EU, for example.

Kit Z. Fox

@MichaelT You could ask one of the Law mods.

user55340

@Snowman If the beta site can hone that... the alternative would be saying "its a legal question, off topic here" and close it.

user55340

@KitZ.Fox much easier for a blue name to do that.

Thomas Owens

Already done.

user114359

5:50 PM

@MichaelT I VTC'd it because I felt migration was not an option.

user55340

Mine only has that funky italics.

enderland

@Snowman I'm more speaking in generalities, I also don't think that question is really that great either (though it might be an interesting international law question, what happens if it's legal in the creator's country - can it be used in a country that it is not legal to name like that?)

Lightness Races in Orbit

@KitZ.Fox I see

user114359

@enderland I think the issue with "naming my project" is it is also purely subjective. Who cares what you name it, as long as it is not "crap that I would never say in polite conversation" such as "The Gimp" or something that is already taken.

user114359

GIMP

GIMP (/ɡɪmp/; an acronym for GNU Image Manipulation Program) is a free and open-source raster graphics editor used for image retouching and editing, free-form drawing, resizing, cropping, photo-montages, converting between different image formats, and more specialized tasks. GIMP began in 1995 as the school project of two university students; now GIMP is a full-fledged application, available on all distributions of Linux, OS X and Microsoft Windows. It is released under GPLv3+ licenses and is freely distributed to (and by) anybody, who can look at its contents and its source code and can add features...

user55340

5:52 PM

@Snowman I didn't VTC because I was so close to being out of close votes (I am now) that if it could be handled by a mod migration without any additional hoops... I'll let it flow that way.

user114359

Of course... I was not talking about Pulp Fiction ;-)

user55340

user114359

I have been traveling so much lately for business and personal I have barely had time to use any of my votes until today

user55340

@ThomasOwens looks like an impending repost:

user55340

law stackexchange I guess... — Alexander Ivanov 3 mins ago

user55340

5:54 PM

I didn't ask there because probably nobody there actually has even a clue what is sinatra for example, I guess it's the right place, but interdiscipline overlapping is something SE is probably lacking — Alexander Ivanov 2 mins ago

Kit Z. Fox

> The problem arises when high-achieving parents assume that their kids need to be pushed to achieve more themselves, to beat out the other high achievers and gain access to the most elite schools, in order to compete in this incredibly challenging modern world.

enderland

@Snowman I'm more curious about the potential usage question, for example let's say in one country you cannot name a library sinatra - but in another you can, so someone develops it there... are you able to use sinatra in both countries? etc

Kit Z. Fox

Ha! See? I'm doing OK.

Thomas Owens

@MichaelT If he wants to repost there, I can just delete here.

Whatever.

user114359

@enderland I think that might be a more interesting question for Law.SE. That is not really advice, and more "reading the law" so to speak.

enderland

6:01 PM

@Snowman yeah. I think this is a case where the question is crap but I was seeing its potential... SE is such a let down sometimes :-)

user114359

@KitZ.Fox I have two degrees (B.S. and M.S.) from state universities. I was never a top achiever academically - I did well, but was no teacher's pet - and I seem to have made out okay in life.

Kit Z. Fox

This blog I'm reading reminds me of The Trance of Scarcity, which was the subject of the only book club I have ever attended.

user114359

At this point I would be happy if my children would clean the bathroom after themselves, let alone get A-plusses in school.

Kit Z. Fox

Yeah. I agree. I want to teach my children to be responsible citizens, not good consumers.

Also shakes fist @enderland damn rabbit hole

enderland

@psr ?

user114359

6:04 PM

@enderland we have an English mod in the room, please be advised the correct usage is "its" in that context :-)

Kit Z. Fox

I don't patrol other jurisdictions.

But thank you for the courtesy.

user114359

Patrol? Uh-oh, I better be careful. I might get shot if I misuse a ~~comma~~ apostrophe over there...

enderland

@Snowman it could be either in this case?

"I was seeing it is potential..."

in case anyone is curious, orders of magnitude do matter:

user114359

@enderland "potential" is owned by the "question" therefor the possessive form must be used.

enderland

Try hitting a baseball traveling at lightspeed. Quora suggests a ship traveling at lightspeed is traveling at 6 quintillion meters/hour. This means... that the ship is traveling at 10^18/60/60/1000 km/second (277,777,777,778 km/second). I think it's pretty clear that there is no chance he can time an exit of maybe 1000km or less correctly. Even if the quora answer is off by many orders of magnitude it's still impossibly precise for Han to trigger. — enderland 4 mins ago

Kit Z. Fox

6:08 PM

That was one of many things I rolled my eyes over.

user114359

@enderland I assumed the computer did the maneuver and Han was just pulling the lever to bring his seat back to the full upright position before landing.

Kit Z. Fox

Well, maybe he learned some things about using the Force. You could totally do that with Force.

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland is this indicating our spoiler rule is dead?

user55340

6:25 PM

user55340

Btw, the ship sank. Now you don't have to watch Titanic again.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT I've seen it, I was just checking. Also - nice charts again, as always!

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Dork Tower rocks...

user55340

6:29 PM

user55340

That one is a bit more relevant.

user55340

0

Q: I released my project under GPL. Can I still use it in my commercial app?

So I have this super sweet library I'm working on. Let's say I release it into the wild under GPL. In tandem I'm working on a commercial piece of software, and I'd like to use this library in it. Since I made the library in the first place (even though I made it GPL), is it safe to assume I can ...

licensing gpl

user55340

7

Q: How do I dual license?

I'd like to open source a project of mine under GPL v3. Additionally, I'd like to sell a license for those who wish to use the code in a proprietary application. How do I go about releasing my source code under GPL v3, while also reserving the right to release it under another license of my cho...

open-source licensing gpl copyright

user55340

You are looking for dual licensing. In particular, How do I dual license? is likely exactly what you are looking for. — MichaelT 1 min ago

user55340

That looks great, thanks! — Bill Sambrone 41 secs ago

user55340

6:35 PM

Alas, I'm out of close votes, so I can't even flag for a duplicate that would allow the OP to do a community close vote dup hammer before someone FGITW it...

user55340

0

A: I released my project under GPL. Can I still use it in my commercial app?

Yes, you can release the portions that you own (in this case, the library before modifications were made by other contributors) under one or more other licenses. Those other licenses could be anything that you want, from other open source licenses to specific licenses to other people or organizat...

user55340

>_<

Thomas Owens

I SEE MY FACE. What did I do?

And no, I did not FGITW it. My answer is a good answer.

user55340

@ThomasOwens Mostly giving you a hard time...

user55340

and bemoaning that I'm out of close votes.

user55340

6:36 PM

So I can't kick off the OP dup hammer process.

Kit Z. Fox

6:50 PM

What's a good tool for data modeling?

Thomas Owens

@KitZ.Fox What kind of data modeling? And are you willing to pay?

Kit Z. Fox

We're refactoring this massive Oracle DB into a SQL Server DB with new and improved data structure. I need something that will make it relatively easy to understand the as-is -> to-be.

And yes.

And omg I love data modeling.

And since I'm useless on the current project, I might as well gird my loins for the next enterprise project.

Thomas Owens

Visual Paradigm.

Kit Z. Fox

Oh. OK. I've used that before.

Thomas Owens

They just released Version 13. I wish work would buy a bunch of licenses.

Kit Z. Fox

6:56 PM

I liked it, but I didn't use it well. Just for sketching some things. Can I import table structures from a flat file or anything? Or pull down from the actual DB?

Thomas Owens

Yeah.

visual-paradigm.com/features/database-design

Kit Z. Fox

OK, that's cool.

Thomas Owens

> Supports database generation and reversal for all popular databases in the market, including MySQL, MS SQL Server, Oracle, Sybase, PostgreSQL, Derby, Informix, Firebird, SQLite and etc.

You should be able to pull in your current structure, modify it, and then export to your new format.

Kit Z. Fox

I should ask our SQL DBA if he's got something he likes, is what I should do.

Thomas Owens

I've never used that functionality, though.

I've only used it for UML and SysML.

Kit Z. Fox

7:00 PM

I'm all excited about the data model, but I should probably remember about the integrations and stuff too.

Ampt

7:11 PM

@KitZ.Fox Integration Schmintigration

Ivan

Hello

I need help with a task

Ampt

Hello!

Ivan

Write a JavaScript function extractObjects(array). As a function argument you are given an array of different objects with different data types . Your task is to write the JavaScript function that filters out the Objects (all primitive data type objects and arrays are filtered) and returns a new array with the extracted elements. Example:
Note: Try to write the filter algorithm yourself and not use .filter() function. (Hint: Use procedural for loop)

^^ this is it

Ampt

Smells like homework to me

Thomas Owens

What have you done so far?

Ivan

7:20 PM

"use strict";
function extractObjects(array){
array.forEach(function(el) {
    console.log(el);

});


}
extractObjects([
        "Pesho",
        4,
        4.21,
        { name : 'Valyo', age : 16 },
        { type : 'fish', model : 'zlatna ribka' },
        [1,2,3],
        "Gosho",
        { name : 'Penka', height: 1.65}
    ]
);

something like that, and yes, it is hoomework

Ampt

While I can appreciate you not posting this on the main site, homework problems are usually uninteresting

and the best way to get answers around here is to ask interesting questions :)

Ixrec

I'm also not sure I understand the first few sentences of the question unless it really is just asking you to implement filter()

Ivan

yeah

I must not use filter()

Ampt

can a mod edit that to use fixed formatting?

Jimmy Hoffa

agghhh "Don't use language! Use procedural for loop!" ASJKdHASD AGH

Kit Z. Fox

7:21 PM

Um...

Ixrec

I did say implement filter()

Jimmy Hoffa

no wonder everyone sucks at this stuff

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa right? DO THINGS THE HARD WAY SO THAT YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THEM THE EASY WAY WHEN YOU COME ACROSS THEM! RABBLE RABBLE!

Kit Z. Fox

@Ampt Like that?

Ampt

@KitZ.Fox Yes, thankyou

Jimmy Hoffa

7:22 PM

@Ampt no more like "do things the confusing and complex way instead of a way that would be sensible and worth repeating in the future!"

Ivan

so

Kit Z. Fox

Looks like there is a missing parenthesis in there.

Ivan

where can I find help

Ixrec

well I'm fine with answering a quick trivial question if it's properly articulated

Ampt

I'm trying to not be rude, I promise

but have you tried your teacher?

Ixrec

7:23 PM

what exactly do you need help with at this stage? distinguishing objects from other value types? returning an array instead of logging stuff?

Ampt

you are paying them for knowledge

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ivan start with this: var isPrimitive = function(x) { /* return true if x is primitive, false if it is not */ }

implement that function

Ivan

thanks

Jimmy Hoffa

95% of programming is deconstructing your problems into smaller sub-problems. That's one sub-problem to solve, then you'll have others after you have that solved.

Ixrec

well, if I'm reading the requirements right the subproblem is isObject rather than isPrimitive, but either one would be a step in the right direction

Jimmy Hoffa

7:26 PM

@Ampt somebody's paying somebody for something but whether it's him or who and what they're getting out of the deal is entirely more complicated than your description... D:

@Ixrec It's not clear to me, but it uses the term primitive in the description so I figure it's a good starting place and it's a concise technical term he has a distinct understanding of (presumably so from his class)

Ixrec

yeah they're both valid starting places

psr

web.mit.edu/jwalden/www/isArray.html

Jimmy Hoffa

> wa-sheeng!

Ivan

ouch, it is hard for me

psr

I brought my sound effects guy today. You're welcome, whiteboard.

Ixrec

7:29 PM

has your class covered the typeof operator?

Ivan

we just talked about it, but not much, TBH firstly I was thinking about using it

Ampt

I wonder if teacher purposely obfuscate the problem so that students can't take the first answer from SO and be done.

surely that has to be it

Ixrec

now that you mention it, that is exactly what the question as written felt like

@Ivan normally, type checking in Javascript consists of some combination of typeof checks, === comparisons for null/undefined, and a handful of special methods like Array.isArray() and Number.isNaN()

Ivan

well

with forIn array and typeof, I printed the objects in the array

now, I have to get them aout and signe them to another one I think

out*

Ixrec

I believe that is what the problem statement is trying to ask of you, yes

Ivan

7:35 PM

hmm, I am trying to get them out now..

Kit Z. Fox

7:46 PM

OK, so the other thing about why I'm right and the project lead is wrong --

Which is just a reminder to me that I'm framing the situation incorrectly and need to get my head in the game.

How am I going to contribute to team success now? This should be my new thinking.

Ampt

I thought that was already your thinking?

Ixrec

by being agile

Ampt

Also the other guy is always wrong - that's a given.

and he's not just wrong, he's also un-agile

you should report him to the secret police.

Kit Z. Fox

He wants the devs to not be bothered, and for the devs to talk directly to business.

Ixrec

that's logically consistent </sarcasm>

user55340

7:49 PM

2

Ixrec

I don't know why but that deserves a star

weird how our eyes jump to a preorder traversal but in any other context inorder traversal is the intuitive one

Kit Z. Fox

@Ixrec That means that no one will talk to me and also that then business will start talking to the devs again.

Ixrec

I knew I should've included an explicit sarcasm tag

Kit Z. Fox

Oh. I'm so thick.

Ixrec

nah, it's just Poe's Law

MetaFight

7:54 PM

Would you guys ever taken a Software Engineer in Test role? I'm tempted to just so I don't have to put up with all the typical software development communication crap.

Ampt

@KitZ.Fox which implies that devs and business talk the same language and never, ever have miscommunication, right?

Ivan

how to get elements out of an array if they are true?

Kit Z. Fox

@MetaFight I'm feeling useless and demoralized right now. I would take that job, yeah.

@Ampt And that communication is completely one-way, from devs to business.

Thomas Owens

@MetaFight Why do you think that a Software Engineer in Test role wouldn't have "the typical software development communication crap"?

user55340

@MetaFight Yes. It can be a very interesting domain as long as its not "we like that title, but you're actually QA"

user55340

7:56 PM

But you're going to be in on writing the test plans, with business...

MetaFight

@ThomasOwens because I assume the engineers will look down on my and say "step aside little man, we'll do all the planning." Meanwhile, I'll just sit back and define tests, refactor code, and implement tests.

maybe I'm dreaming.

user55340

Nope, not refactoring the code... its the tooling side of the world most often.

Thomas Owens

@MetaFight It depends on the company. In some, they are right alongside the process.

Ixrec

@Ivan what do you mean by "get elements out of an array"? is array[index] not working for some reason?

user55340

You may be refactoring your code, but not the product code.

Thomas Owens

7:57 PM

Except instead of building production code, they are writing test code and frameworks.

MetaFight

Test plan + tooling + writing tests would be fun enough. But, I can't imagine being able to write the tests without being allowed to refactor.

user55340

their test code and frameworks and harnesses are production code.... its just that the production code is part of the workflow for building $Product.

Thomas Owens

That's true. I guess deliverable code is better than production code.

Ivan

I got array[number,object,object, etc.. ] how to get the objects out, or leave only them in the array

user55340

The awkward part with SDT is that that you're a cost center, not a revenue producer. And that changes the world in which you live.

Ampt

7:58 PM

@KitZ.Fox Other way around

business only ever requests fully thought out, complete features, and if devs have questions they must not have been listening the first time, amiright?

user55340

See that engineering department over there? The ones with the nice machines? Yea, they're making money for the company. Don't complain about having a 7 year old Dell with 4 GB of ram.

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