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Lightness Races in Orbit

12:08 AM

top of SO's front page

honestly, FML

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Q: How do you make a variable in php?

How do you make a variable in php?

php

2

That one's particularly awesome.

variables in PHP do backflips by default. they know what they are.

Ixrec

> You mean "How do you make a variable do backflips in php?", right?

Lightness Races in Orbit

His only other question wasn't awesome either:

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Q: I am getting this error on php. Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in C:\xamppp\htdocs\connection\includes\class-query.php on line 55

I am getting the error : Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in C:\xamppp\htdocs\connection\includes\class-query.php on line 55. If you can help please comment $friends = $db->select=($query); foreach ( $friends as $friend ) { $friend_ids[] = $friend->friend_id; } ...

php mysql

(the irony being he's already used variables, ten days ago)

user55340

@LightnessRacesinOrbit s/used/copy and pasted code that contained/

Lightness Races in Orbit

mm

Kit Z. Fox

12:25 AM

@psr What!? No, what? pfft Crazy talk.

makes notes

durron597

12:38 AM

So i have these dynamically generated java beans that don't have a good toString implemented

I want to log all of them, as stored in an arraylist

I have a helper method that turns a bean, without a good toString implemented, into a good String.

user55340

They are beans. Reflect them. Grab all the getters and walk over them.

durron597

I am hard pressed to think of a better use case for java 8 lambdas.

i mean, it's like match made in heaven

guess what doesn't support java 8: spring 3

guess what i just spent 2 days trying to upgrade from and finally gave up from

i went with this out of rage:

eh, it's hard for me to copy paste

basically i used guava Iterables.transform

which i think is actually less verbose than making my own loop despite the lack of lambda syntax

Robert Harvey

1:52 AM

@MichaelT The prices, O_O

enderland

People like to think biking is a cheap hobby. lol :P

user55340

@RobertHarvey I'm probably looking at something like: hostelshoppe.com/2014-CATRIKE-Trail-Folding-174391

user55340

As I said, I'm after folding, not speed.

user55340

(speed trike: hostelshoppe.com/2014-CATRIKE-700-165751 )

user55340

Robert Harvey

1:54 AM

@enderland I'm used to seeing $700 cyclocross bikes, not $2500 and up.

user55340

Notice large back wheel and extreme "I can really get my legs pushing on that" position.

enderland

@RobertHarvey my road bike was about $700 - and you can spend so much more on them if you want

Robert Harvey

Also, I think getting hit by a car on one of those could really ruin your day.

user55340

Thing is, I've got really bad balance... so the two wheel type is... a bit more challenging.

user55340

My parents have a tandem trike...

user55340

1:58 AM

something about like this:

user55340

Not that brand though.

user55340

(and frankly, much better seats)

user55340

The reasoning behind that was my father's back is not as good as it used to be - and doing even 5-10 miles on a two wheel tandem doesn't happen. At all.

enderland

Are there decent trails in most of WI?

We've got a ton of decent trails nearby

Lots of biking in Iowa..

user55340

2:00 AM

Better in Minnesota, but up near St. Germain they are excellent.

user55340

(Their last two wheel tandem ride... I was on the way home from Madison to their house - in college... and saw them relaxing / recovering on the side of the road about 7 miles from the house... My mother (on the tandem) and my brother rode the tandem back while my father and I drove back.)

user55340

And then they went and got a recumbent tandem trike.

enderland

@MichaelT ahhh that looks like a perfect place to live

user55340

And I think they've said that their range limit is in the 20-22 miles out and then back, for two days in a row.

user55340

northwoodsbiking.com/vilas.htm

user55340

2:03 AM

That county has done quite a bit with their bike trails that I haven't seen otherwise in Wisconsin.

user55340

(I saw it when I was driving to do some UP MI photography... and I was talking to them on the phone... it was "there's a bike trail here... it looks paved..." and then a few miles later "its still here, this isn't a small trail - I'm in the middle of nowhere" and then later "Ok, the town that I just drove past is St. Germain... and there are 8 bikes in front of that cafe... this is a biking place.")

enderland

We brought our bikes when we went through Duluth for a few days last summer but never got out to ride

Lots of very pretty stuff up along north shore area too

user55340

Yep. The key though is paved roads... these aren't mountain bikes. And the weight distribution on them makes crushed limestone awkward.

enderland

Yeah

There's tons of paved stuff near me

user55340

Minnesota has some of the better trails in the area.

user55340

2:06 AM

My parents love going to Red Wing.

enderland

I know MSP has a ton of bike trails

user55340

cannonvalleytrail.com

user55340

MSP is a bit further north...

user55340

their 'ideal' is about 3-4h drive from Madison. MSP is 5-6.

user55340

Though they did do a trip out to Alexandria MN one time ( mapmyride.com/us/alexandria-mn )

user55340

2:07 AM

and have been out to Cour de Lane... and I know I didn't spell that right.

user55340

friendsofcdatrails.org

user55340

The Hiawatha trail.

enderland

Ah, right, we drove pretty close to Madison but were coming from eastern Iowa

user55340

We want to do the trail out of Glenwood Springs Colorado some time.

enderland

Always forget how far east that is compared to MSP

user55340

2:09 AM

user55340

That one takes a bit of weather planning though... there's that river. Apparently, it likes to wash out the bike trail from time to time.

user55340

Btw, that road in the picture - thats I70.

user55340

enderland

Nature is beautiful

user55340

You can see the bike rail at the right, east bound (current level) and westbound (upper)

user55340

2:13 AM

user55340

See? River? See the bike trail there... yea...

enderland

@MichaelT that angle makes it look super weird, almost like the river is defying gravity

user55340

aspentimes.com/article/20110608/NEWS/110609852

enderland

I live pretty close to this

$user image$

it was a railway bridge over a river/flood plain

user55340

> The Colorado River through the canyon, as of Tuesday afternoon, was running more than 4,000 cubic feet per second (cfs) above its average springtime peak, according to CDOT estimates based on readings taken at the Shoshone Power Plant, just west of Hanging Lake Tunnel along Interstate 70.

By Tuesday afternoon, the Colorado River was running at 18,100 cfs through Glenwood Canyon. The average springtime peak in that section is around 14,000 cfs, according to CDOT data.

At one point near Shoshone, the river was up to the railing that runs along the bike path, which is about 48 inches above…

user55340

2:15 AM

Anyways... want to do that one again some day.

enderland

Hard to find a good picture showing how tall that bridge is

@MichaelT yeah, that looks awesome

That's a better picture, that bridge is crazy to bike over in a little wind ;)

user55340

My parents might have done that one some time in the past... they have been in the area.

user55340

And a recumbent trike you don't worry about wind other than a head wind too much.

user55340

Btw, Cour d'lane... check out the bottom right bridge:

user55340

2:18 AM

user55340

enderland

@MichaelT yeah... that'd trip my fear of heights. LOL :)

user55340

@enderland don't worry... its wooden.

user55340

Though heights? not a problem...

user55340

2:20 AM

enderland

you are making me want to bike so badly. I'm planning on biking to work mostly in the next months but... not the same!

user55340

You could have helped out on the trail crew when they were converting it from rail...

user55340

see the guard rails? No? Oh... yea.

enderland

2:22 AM

@MichaelT yeah.. about that. I got a lot better with my fear of heights when I ran lights at a concert venue (so I was up on a ladder doing work a lot) but.. that's different than a bridge over a canyon/valley area

user55340

I drove through that area on my Great Unemployed Road Trip.

user55340

No, wait... wasn't that one...

user55340

it was the "Not as great grip from SF to Montana and back" trip.

user55340

The thing I remember of it was driving past and seeing this statue:

user55340

2:24 AM

and going "hmm... next time spend more time here"

user55340

the thing was I was doing a Seattle to ? drive and trying to find a good place to spend the night.

user55340

The first hotel in Montana I saw was in this town:

user55340

Saltese, Montana

Saltese (also Packers Meadow or Silver City) is an unincorporated community in Mineral County, Montana, United States. Located at 47°24′37″N 115°30′35″W (47.4102075, -115.5095972), Saltese lies an altitude of 3,366 feet (1,026 m). "Saltese is an old gold and silver mining town that took its name from a Nez Perce leader, Chief Saltese." "The town was first known as Silver City but was renamed in 1891." In December 1912, David D. Bogart, the 6th mayor of Missoula, Montana, was killed in an avalanche in Saltese while prospecting for gold. == References... ==

user55340

I got off the interstate, got on to the frontage road, drove past the hotel and turned around and got back on the internet state.

[street view](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Saltese,+Mt+59867/@47.4093492,-115.5087729,3a,75y,3.56h,84.92t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUHoAYV5rOJCOTW-MJN3wLw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DUHoAYV5rOJCOTW-MJN3wLw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D10.566716%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x536093130913dbcf:0x40673fb314fe6cbf!6m1!1e1)

user55340

Went a bit further and stayed here instead. The big difference: trucks. Lots of trucks.

enderland

2:30 AM

hah

enderland

2:46 AM

Don't you think I know that? I need help getting it to work. — mac 2 mins ago

well I wasn't going to downvote you, but if you have an attitude.. well then!

daOnlyBG

hello

Robert Harvey

2:57 AM

'sup da only

The Gunfighter (Best Short Film Ever) 1080p HD

►

daOnlyBG

@RobertHarvey I lol'ed. In the library.

user55340

Price of 55 gallons of crude: $28. Price of 55 gallon drum to hold crude: more than $28.

user55340

independent.co.uk/news/business/news/…

daOnlyBG

You know, I never really understood why the price plummeted

user55340

@daOnlyBG Saudi Arabia is trying to put price pressure on their not so friendly neighbors.

daOnlyBG

3:04 AM

@MichaelT Actually, I'd suppose the opposite would make a lot more sense

user55340

@daOnlyBG They're trying to make it so that Russia and Iran don't have the budget to support the military and allies (of this two) in the area.

user55340

Granted, thats a bit simplistic way of looking at it... but its a valid one.

user55340

It is also putting pressure on Venezuela which in turn isn't helping out Cuba and that got Cuba to reconsider its relationship with the US.

user55340

They're also trying to mess up the viability of the small drilling companies for fracking in the US as they can (currently) only sell in the US.

user55340

And furthermore, they see the writing on the wall with a switch from a carbon economy to a renewable energy economy. In 20 years, that that oil may be worthless because you can't burn it without carbon taxes.

user55340

3:07 AM

So, pump it all out while you can... and before your not-so-friendly neighbors can.

daOnlyBG

Altogether, the Mid East states can expect to lose approx $300 bil in 2016 alone

...per the IMF calculation

I know it isn't, say, $1 trillion... but for a collection of countries with substantially smaller economies than the US, $300 billion is an awful lot of money to lose out on just to make a political stunt

I'd be more convinced of the "writing on the wall" you mention

or long-term phenomena

The carbon taxes idea sounds pretty interesting as well- I wonder if the recent international climate-related agreement had an influence

user55340

The main use of oil is gasoline - transportation.

user55340

And since I love graphs... here's another for @JimmyHoffa

user55340

The demand for oil in the US is down a good chunk.

user55340

3:15 AM

And we've got a law here that we can't export oil made in the US.

user55340

So that is driving down the price a bit. And if that improvement continues, well, then the price of oil is down.

user55340

Every day that the mpg goes up, the price of gas goes down. And if you are going to try to make the most profit for the oil in the ground... get it out now.

daOnlyBG

@MichaelT Definitely

Hopefully in about a year and a half's time, I won't have to worry about the price of gas for fuel

user55340

@daOnlyBG because you're going to bike to work like @enderland ?

daOnlyBG

3:30 AM

@MichaelT I wish. I've been saving up enough of my paycheck to get on the waiting list for the Tesla Model 3 (the not-so-expensive one, to be released in '17)

user55340

Coolfuel Roadtrip-Powered by Food

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user55340

ecorazzi.com/2007/04/21/…

user55340

web.archive.org/web/20071006225154/http://…

daOnlyBG

Wow

user55340

3:36 AM

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Q: Should Community Managers remain impartial during Moderator elections?

Community Managers (e.g. paid employees of Stack Exchange) play a large part in the background running of the SE sites and can be seen to exert enormous influence over users. We've seen that there's modest interest in Community Moderators weighing in on Moderator Elections... Should existing m...

discussion election community-managers

user55340

I don't exactly disagree with you, but... I think y'all put way too much thought into this. If I had the ability to sway an election via commentary, I'd have done it by now. — Shog9 ♦ 2 hours ago

user55340

4:11 AM

@JimmyHoffa radiotimes.com/news/2016-01-18/…

Ampt

1

A: Draw a Call Graph

I think what you're looking for here is a Sequence Diagram. These allow you to visualize the order in which various modules call eachother via the use of arrows. Constructing one is simple: Draw your starting class with a dotted line below it. Draw the next class/method in the call trace with...

how can I pare this down to make it easier to understand?

I feel like I'm being too verbose

but I also think that examples are useful

Maybe I chose too complex an example... or didn't explain it enough

Jimmy Hoffa

4:54 AM

@MichaelT glenwood canyon holds a special place for me. So beautiful, so easy to get to, one of the only vaca's I had growing up was a weekend there every few years, and I've been there many times as an adult now and just had a great time every time. The canyon's beautiful and everytime I see it I'm instantly in a better mood. Cheers to anybody who takes a bike ride through there. They opened some brand new more adult springs with bar and a ton of separate small hot-tubs of varying temperatures

just this past year

@Ampt sequence diagram works but they become useless with too many things and too many steps which I think would plague him

I think he'd want a different diagram. Sequence diagrams should typically give 1 - 3 possible flows at most, and if you have more than 4 or 5 steps in the sequence it's going to quickly become tricky to follow

it's really for inspecting individual flow-paths, not dependency relations between methods

perhaps it would work if he did one sequence diagram per sub-module

Ampt

hmmm

maybe I misunderstood the question then - I thought he wanted to see the interactions for one possible flow

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt I'm not sure

you may be right

Ampt

of course I am, did you see how long my answer was?

now upvote it and move on already sheesh

no need to actually read the damn thing

Jimmy Hoffa

> I've tried to keep track where the flow begins and ends anytime I call the main function but I feel I need to draw this because I'm getting lost in the sub-calls.
>
> What concerns me is that each function calls multiple external functions within their body to complete their task and return the value to the caller.

Ampt

to me that seems like a good use for a sequence diagram

Jimmy Hoffa

4:59 AM

a sequence diagram would rapidly devolve into being just as complex as the code itself

depending on the complexity

it may work, I just have concerns

> a spock on your family!

Ampt

well your concerns are completely unfounded because I have SCOTCH

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt shit shit shit.. I can't win this

Ampt

HAHA! I LOOK DOWN UPON THEE WITH SCOTCH IN HAND, MERE MORTAL

Jimmy Hoffa

What did you grab? Finally taking a step into the great beyond, the whiskey afterverse, The Scotchterlands ?

Ampt

I... uh... got some... Scotchy scotch?? Uh... shit. I definitely didn't make up having scotch to win an internet argument.

QUIT JUDGING ME

I CAN HEAR IT FROM HERE

Jimmy Hoffa

5:22 AM

@Ampt well if you're going to make anything up to win an internet argument, I really can't support anything more than scotch. Except for the whole blaspheming the sacrosanct scionic potion of distilled beneficence. Your tongue will surely be stricken from your head after swelling to proportions that cave the base of your skull in tonight while you sleep, so it has been writ for all that would commit such acts. Night.

Ampt

...shit

seetharaman

5:41 AM

Hi guys, I posted a question in programmers.stackexchange and I was suggested to go to the chatrooms for getting it addressed. Am I in the right place?programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/307746/…

Robert Harvey

Basically, we would begin asking you specific questions, gradually leading you towards a problem that can be answered. The question you posted, in its present form, is not answerable, at least not without writing a book.

For starters, what does the protocol look like?

seetharaman

6:08 AM

@RobertHarvey what would you suggest?? coz I dont have development know-hows, and I want to try instead of using open source code from git.

Robert Harvey

8:12 AM

Learn C.

Duga

9:23 AM

I believe this question is off-topic for stackoverflow and belongs here: programmers.stackexchange.com — Johannes Jander 16 secs ago

@JohannesJander Off-site resource requests are off-topic on Programmers.SE, same as SO. Please avoid recommending sites you aren't familiar with. — Ixrec 35 secs ago

Ixrec

this needs more upvotes:

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A: Clickbait titles, their metaphor posts and what to do with them

I think the key here is differentiating between metaphors and examples. If I am describing object composition in OOAD, I may use a car analogy. A car contains many components which I identify as classes in the OO design. However, I am describing the car problem in terms of object design. Anyone ...

Mathematics

10:19 AM

why is it so hard to design classes

Ixrec

10:45 AM

because it's hard to design anything worth designing

though there might also be real causes like too much inheritance instead of composition, or too many classes when pure functions can do the same work more easily

Mathematics

@Ixrec for me it's a simple class really

3

Q: How to return result from a delegate

How can I change this class to return me stream which I can send back to browser ? I am trying to create a Excel file using report viewer and send it back to client who is using a browser, public class WebReportRenderer : IDisposable { private ReportViewer rvInstance; private IList<Stream

c# wcf

MetaFight

12:28 PM

hey guys! Let's rename this site to "Programmers Overflow: A site for professionals not newooobs." that way we'll only get about 1 valid question per week and we can all go on holiday.

Ixrec

"Programmers Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for professionals and students in software development and related fields ..."

hmm

there's probably no constructive way to rephrase that which would exclude lazy students while also including the perfectly competent ones

Thomas Owens

@Ixrec AND YOU GET AN UP VOTE AND YOU GET AN UP VOTE AND EVERYONE GETS AN UP VOTE

Thomas Owens

2:13 PM

Is "solutions over software" a viable approach? Generally, would stakeholders not only look at software, but infrastructure, processes, and organizational structures? I recognize that some environments may not all for all four aspects to be open for inclusion in a project.

Ixrec

you mean... someone hiring a company with lots of devs on a long-term basis instead of the duration of one specific project?

Thomas Owens

@Ixrec No.

When you launch a project, instead of thinking just about what software is needed to solve the problem, you would also (possibly, depending on your stakeholders) consider changing the infrastructure, the processes used by the stakeholders, and/or the organizational structure of the stakeholders. It could be that a project actually requires 0 software development effort.

Ixrec

ah

MetaFight

important question: anyone here buy boxers online?

Thomas Owens

It may not be always feasible. For example, where I work now, we can't tell an air force that their whole organizational structure needs to change - that's a long, slow process, but there are people who work with how our technology fits into organizational structures with our customers. But we can have some feedback on how smaller scale things work.

Jimmy Hoffa

2:21 PM

Happy Coffee Day

Thomas Owens

Happy Distance Medley Registration Day!

MetaFight

my fabric softener smells like gummy bears. Now I always want gummy bears.

<-- has only had one coffee today.

Jimmy Hoffa

That doesn't make any sense. "Distance Medley" just brings about the image of a cornucopia that needs to be reached for

Thomas Owens

@JimmyHoffa I get to register to run 36.0975km this year, over three races.

amon

@ThomasOwens you mean, like training users to use a crappy UI instead of developing a more intuitive interface? Or changing a process to adapt to some inflexible software? Isn't this what Excel has done to the business?

user55340

2:25 PM

@ThomasOwens how often do you see people wanting to change how they do things.

Thomas Owens

@amon No to both of those.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens I get to register to drive wayyy more than that this year, over 2 daily races in sequences of 5 at a time

Thomas Owens

@MichaelT That is true.

Duga

Questions that ask "where do I start" are typically too broad and are not a good fit for this site. People have their own method for approaching the problem and because of this there cannot be a correct answer. Give a good read over Where to Start, then address your post. — Kyll 18 secs ago

user55340

I love that false positive.

Thomas Owens

2:26 PM

Let me think of a good example...

user55340

Just wish Kyll would use a share link so he could get the publicist badge.

Thomas Owens

I'm not coming up with an example right now because it's not really feasible for where I am, to change hardware (our customer provides us with the full hardware environment to run on) or organizational structure or processes (it's the government - not gonna happen).

Thomas Owens

2:50 PM

This year, I hope to run a 00:25:00 5k, a 1:00:00 10k, and a 2:30:00 half.

Ampt

if you put them all together, you're pretty much at a marathon

just do one of those and be done with it

Thomas Owens

I'm still 4 miles short of a marathon in races. Although I do hope to head back home and run the Boilermaker, a 15k road race. Running that would put me at well over a marathon in races.

But I don't have the time to train for a marathon.

Ampt

training? Who does that. Just sign up

that's all the prep work you need

<- is sour today because his RMA isn't going well

Thomas Owens

I'd die.

Ampt

I think that's an overstatement

you'd want to die, but that's, like, completely different from actually dying

Thomas Owens

2:58 PM

No. I'd die. Like, have a heart attack or something in the middle of the course.

Ampt

That's how you know it's working! :D

That's what we like to call a "Deep Burn" in the industry

Just walk it off, you'll be fine.

Thomas Owens

1 minute to registration open.

I need to register, then run off to my meeting.

Ampt

Training already? Good man.

Thomas Owens

I've been training since last year. I ran these same three races. Finished the half in 2:35:00ish with a sprained ankle.

MetaFight

@ThomasOwens I know what you mean. I stubbed my toe on the way to my beer fridge. I still made it back with two beers in hand. Some of us just tough it through the hard stuff.

Ampt

3:07 PM

@MetaFight Wow. You are a testament to mans willpower, truly.

and next time you're up, could you grab me one?

user55340

3:18 PM

@Ampt didn't you hear? @ThomasOwens was going to run and get you a boilermaker. No need to ask the injured.

user114359

Amazon sale of the day:

user114359

amazon.com/gp/product/B007LNBS2I

user114359

$23 for nine movies

Ampt

@MichaelT Oh, perfect, thanks!

MetaFight

@Ampt I would, but that would be depriving you of necessarily hardship in your life. I don't want you to be too soft in such a harsh world.

Ampt

3:24 PM

@MetaFight jeez, what a jerk. I'll just wait for @ThomasOwens to get back.

MetaFight

@Ampt you'll thank me down the road.

Parenting is hard. #selfless #thankless #inItForTheLulz

Ampt

@MetaFight That last one is how I'm approaching the whole thing too.

(you know, for when I actually end up having a kid. Someday)

MetaFight

on a serious note, I'm not a parent, but I recent met my sister's adopted kids. They are absolutely amazing! Clearly parenting is f***ing hard work, but I totally see how it's worth it.

Kit Z. Fox

@MetaFight Toughest job you'll ever love.

enderland

@MetaFight yes, from Amazon

MetaFight

3:29 PM

I spent a month with them as "the uncle from away." It was such a great time. At 3 and 5 years old those two are just love giving machines. It almost makes me want to move back just so I can maximize the time around them before they hit puberty.

Kit Z. Fox

They live in Maine?

Great ages. So much fun!

MetaFight

@KitZ.Fox you're not far, but why would you assume Maine?

Kit Z. Fox

"from away".

Pretty sure we're the only ones who use that expression.

MetaFight

@enderland good experience, or no? I'm looking for quality boxers. I recently starting buying quality base layers and it's world changing. The next step is high quality boxers. I can't seem to find merino wool boxers... maybe that's a bad idea.

Kit Z. Fox

That's going make your undercarriage rust out.

MetaFight

3:32 PM

@KitZ.Fox it might be an east-coast thing. I'm from east coast Canada.

Kit Z. Fox

You want silk lined cotton or polypro.

MetaFight

Merino wool is a gift from heaven!

Kit Z. Fox

Moisture wicking. Keeps your boys comfy.

MetaFight

Exactly.

enderland

@MetaFight once I found one I liked, I just keep rebuying the same type - so while the first was a gamble... if you find you like them you can always order more :)

MetaFight

3:34 PM

@enderland do you have a link to the item? Your recommendation is a good enough start.

Kit Z. Fox

I'm having a 90s flashback day. I'm kind of depressed, but in a much nicer chill way than last week.

I think you're going to be too hot with merino wool foundation garments.

enderland

@MetaFight these are the ones I've gotten before. they are pretty cheap and I find them quite comortable

they are cotton I guess

Kit Z. Fox

Cotton kills, don't you know?

enderland

ruh oh :|

Kit Z. Fox

It's because it holds moisture against your skin, which is not good in freezing temps.

You need a layer in between your skin and cotton, like silk or polypro.

Moisture wicking, as I mentioned.

Wool is good because it holds heat even when it is wet.

But it tends to be heavy. And really damn hot.

In this climate, wet cotton socks = amputated toes.

user114359

3:39 PM

@enderland I scrolled down on that link..... OH MYYYYYY....

Ampt

thank you for removing that

3

Kit Z. Fox

"Fun Size" rofl

enderland

@Snowman wow. uhh... lol

MetaFight

@enderland thanks

enderland

@KitZ.Fox yea, I wear wool socks in winter pretty much exclusively

MetaFight

3:42 PM

nooo. Boxer briefs are evil!

Kit Z. Fox

I think they are sexy.

enderland

My now previous manager sent me this video, referencing some of his comments in our 'exit interview'

Life Lessons From a 7-Thousand-Mile Bike Ride

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which is great. The tldr is "do something different to avoid becoming bored/routine in your life" haha

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt ack I had to click the view bookmarklet and quickly refresh to make it go back to (removed)

MetaFight

@KitZ.Fox I think lingerie is sexy, I don't expect people to wear it under their clothes everyday.

Kit Z. Fox

Hmm. I suppose that's a personal choice.

MetaFight

3:52 PM

Also, I just got outbid on this:

ebay.co.uk/itm/…

enderland

@JimmyHoffa lol I did the same thing

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa I cought it literally a half a second before it was deleted. Have not used the bookmarklet since.

Kit Z. Fox

I can't seem to figure out the script on this box.

enderland

I fixed it

Kit Z. Fox

It works fine on my other box.

Ampt

3:53 PM

@MetaFight 4 player? whaaaaaat

MetaFight

I don't know what you're talking about. Is it this?

lol

enderland

oops. did I hit delete?

MetaFight

I guess it is.

Ampt

@MetaFight god damnit man.

MetaFight

@Ampt I know. Awesome right?

enderland

3:54 PM

@Ampt the nice part about the scriptlet is that it lets mods also edit deleted posts... so you can still get rid of those sorts of things

Kit Z. Fox

So I installed Tampermonkey and the script, but it doesn't work automagically. I don't know enough to know why, other than basic poking. Is there something I'm being dumb about?

It worked when I installed it bare, but then Chrome helpfully deleted it.

enderland

@KitZ.Fox just add it as a "bookmark" in chrome

I have it on my bookmark bar, so I just click the bookmark and it runs the js

Kit Z. Fox

Which "it"?

Jimmy Hoffa

@MetaFight Any of those stretchy materials are no bueno because they bunch. Gotta stick with the classic dress-shirt type material ones IME.

enderland

>

javascript:$('.message:has(.deleted)').each(function(){var mid=this.id.split('-')[1];$.get('http://chat.stackexchange.com/messages/'+mid+'/‌history',function(data){$('#message-'+mid).css('color','red').html($(data).find('‌.message:eq(0)').html())})})

Jimmy Hoffa

3:57 PM

(what is the name of dress shirt material anyway? it's cotton but not in the same sense as a t-shirt..)

Kit Z. Fox

Poplin?

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland buggy version still. need /messages/ instead of the full URI

enderland

@JimmyHoffa well it works for me! :P

Jimmy Hoffa

no no, that's not it

Kit Z. Fox

I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Ampt

3:58 PM

@KitZ.Fox Everything. Nothing.

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland you're not on SSL

Kit Z. Fox

Poplin

Poplin, also called tabinet (or tabbinet), is a strong fabric in a plain weave of any fiber or blend, with crosswise ribs that typically gives a corded surface. Poplin traditionally consisted of a silk warp with a weft of worsted yarn. In this case, as the weft is in the form of a stout cord the fabric has a ridged structure, like rep, which gave depth and softness to the lustre of the silky surface. The ribs run across the fabric from selvage to selvage. Poplin is now made with wool, cotton, silk, rayon, polyester or a mixture of these. Being a plain under/over weave, if the weft and warp threads...

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa Quick lets start intercepting his messages

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