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12:43 AM
@Ixrec I think this is a linear one.
 
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A*10 + B*13 = 749 - find all values for A and B. Maybe combinatorics. Similar underlying problem as "how many ways can you give change have money that sums up to £2 with the coins: 1p, 2p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p, £1 (100p) and £2 (200p). -- though this one only has two "coin" denominations.
 
user55340
1:11 AM
I played the Apollo master alarm tone and my cat freaked out... he's now glaring at me with a "WTF was that?!" look.
 
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I think I got the pitches wrong on the first one. Can you link this instead: soundcloud.com/borogove-41558917/sets/…Russell Borogove 3 hours ago
 
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That's so horrible, was it supposed to wake them up from the dead? "Do you want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?" I would've broken a window to get rid of the air quickly. — LocalFluff 3 hours ago
 
user114359
1:32 AM
Need more CVs on this one ASAP:
 
user114359
-3
Q: where is my mistake and how can i correct it?

alexquestion def scalar_mult(sc,v): """ scalar multiplication (scalar * vector) :param sc: a scalar mulitplier :param v: a list - vector :return: sc * v """ my code def scale_mult(sc,v): return [sc * v[i] for i in range(len(v))] Evaluating function scalar_mult: ----------...

 
user55340
1:47 AM
Hmm... Amazon's 'STEM' toys for kids advert:
 
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user55340
Interesting seeing the marketing there.
 
user55340
The 'not just for boys' thing.
 
user114359
@MichaelT I seem to remember reading recently about how some groups were upset about marketing STEM to girls, or how it was marketed. I don't get it. Anything to get children more interested in science than sports is good.
 
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user55340
1:56 AM
c. 1981
 
user55340
There was a whole series of those advertisements - just kids building things.
 
user55340
(I'm looking for Lincoln Logs - my niece was building with them at my house)
 
user114359
Apparently, Wikipedia is asking for donations again. Unfortunately, they learned not to put Jimmy Wales' picture at the top anymore: theoatmeal.com/blog/jimmy_wales
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn ^^^
 
user114359
 
user15026
@MichaelT I love this
 
user55340
@AshleyNunn I'm not sure if I prefer the red couch or the hammock. I do like the guitar case cat.
 
user114359
Those are my cats, born in 2007 (kittens) then again a month or so ago (old a-holes)
 
user15026
2:33 AM
@Snowman So cute :D
 
user114359
@AshleyNunn they're cute until one of them throws up a hairball on my bed
 
user15026
@Snowman OPr your shoes
 
user15026
(That happened to me a week or two ago(
 
user55340
My cat gets hairball mitigating cat treats... and I haven't stepped in one yet.
 
user15026
Mine doesn't throw up haiurballs as much as he just eats his wet food too fast some mornings and it comes back up
 
user114359
2:42 AM
@AshleyNunn My shoes are all in the closet which is always closed
 
user15026
@Snowman The only closet in my house is my bedroom closet
 
user114359
@AshleyNunn and I closely control how much they eat at a time for precisely that reason
 
user114359
it still happens every once in a while though
 
7:09 AM
FYI: It has come to my attention that our dear friend and bot @Duga hasn't been working properly for the past 4-5 days, and you'll have to survive without her for a few more days until I can investigate and fix.
 
 
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10:46 AM
@SimonForsberg I was wondering why he was so quiet the last few days
I guess is was but a fantasy hoping that SO finally learned the lesson :(
 
11:11 AM
@ratchetfreak Ha! In your dreams!
Have you noticed if there's been an increase in off-topic posts these past few days when @Duga is down?
 
 
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user55340
2:07 PM
@ThomasOwens have you glanced at my stateful builder?
 
@MichaelT Link?
 
user55340
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A: How to make sure people call methods in the right order?

MichaelTThe fluent interface for a inner domain specific language is built on top of the Builder pattern. Ultimately, you are building up a representation that is to be used. The solution is to then use a stateful builder (related: How should I handle incompatible configurations with the Bulider pattern...

 
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A: How should I handle incompatible configurations with the Builder pattern?

MichaelTYou've got your Builder. However, at this point you need some interfaces. There is a FileBuilder interface that defines one subset of methods (not setSize) and a SizeBuilder interface that defines another subset of methods (not setFilename). You may wish to have a GenericBuilder interface exte...

 
user55340
You can implement a DFA in the type system.
 
Wow. That's intense.
I sent to phone to look at this at home.
This may be more interesting than my friend who wrote a tool to be able to write regular expressions in XML.
 
user55340
2:11 PM
I've got a blog post in draft on my site dabbling in it. I've written class that creates integers from binary that are multiples of three.
 
user55340
Oct 5 at 3:03, by MichaelT
Ok... that mod 3 thing. Got it working. Its kind of neat.
 
user55340
Actual code follows.
 
wow I just got enthusiast badge here
 
user55340
I've visited the site for 1017 consecutive days.
 
@MichaelT yeesh, I've got 1034 days total and 2 consecutive :o
Happy Coffee Day
 
user55340
2:23 PM
@ThomasOwens in case you slipped out of chat before seeing it - chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/24512393#24512393
 
I'm really amazed that this answer has been giving me rep for some reason, like once a week at least for the past few months... maybe longer..
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A: How to Sort a List<T> by a property in the object

Jimmy HoffaDoing it without Linq as you said: public class Order : IComparable { public DateTime OrderDate { get; set; } public int OrderId { get; set; } public int CompareTo(object obj) { Order orderToCompare = obj as Order; if (orderToCompare.OrderDate < OrderDate || orde...

it's old as hell, not the winning answer, and hardly relevant
I wonder if it's linked from somewhere or something.. looking at my rep history it just keeps popping up at random intervals, but each time I get a few up votes..
 
I get the same thing with my top 2 SO answers
 
it must be linked from something... yeah, I can see it now. I got 2 votes last july, then 3 in april, then a couple more recently..
@ratchetfreak yeah, but your top 2 SO answers are probably good
look at that answer; it's nothing of note, just a code snippet showing how to implement IComparable to utilize a List<>s .Sort()
 
66
A: copying a java hashmap

ratchet freakIf you want a copy of the HashMap you need to construct a new one with. myobjectListB = new HashMap<Integer,myObject>(myobjectListA); This will create a (shallow) copy of the map.

not much better...
 
ok, yeah you're right hah
eesh, just reminds me why I came to P.SE and stayed; it's hardly interesting writing stuff like that but that's what SO wants
 
2:27 PM
and until a few minutes ago it didn't have capitalization or punctuation
 
but there must be a link to my list sorting answer somewhere on the internet... I'm going to have to find it!
 
@JimmyHoffa the problem is that everyone has personalized links so it's really hard to search them out
 
Given that the entire question (and top 5 answers) seems to be heavily upvoted points to a likelyhood of a link being shared on a documentation page somewhere.
 
alternatively, maybe it just has a great google weighting? Trying to search for it I've found multiple random forum links to the Q already; perhaps people just find it really easily and sorting things in a list is something they want to do often..
no, that doesn't fit with the multiple upvotes at the same time each time tohugh..
 
shared on another forum regularly then
Still doesn't beat my best p.SE answer: programmers.stackexchange.com/a/167608/25768
 
2:37 PM
yeesh, that SO question is all over the internet; I just found it in a comment in github above a line of code where somebody's sorting a list..
the fuck
part of some icelandic assignment linking to that Q?
ah no finnish perchance; fi and all the germanic roots
icelandic has much less german looking words me thinks
specifically the finnish assignment appears to be using my answers approach over the others, neener neener
 
2:58 PM
you're famous!
alrighty time to find out if I'm out $750 for having the wrong FSA or not this year >.>
 
@enderland How do you have the wrong FAS?
 
I was going to submit a claim and realized... it's not a claim for childcare or transportation, etc :(
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Q: Accidentally contributed to a dependent care FSA instead of health/vision FSA, what are my options?

enderlandI put $750 into what I thought was a health/vision limited FSA this year through my employer. Apparently, this is actually a dependent care FSA. I don't know how this happened (whether it was my error or my companies error is not clear to me, I would not have intentionally signed up for dependent...

 
Is an FSA the one where money expires at the end of the year?
 
@ThomasOwens for the dependent care - yes. for the vision/dental you can (as of 2015) rollover $500/year
I'm expecting to just lose the $750 as a stupid-tax
ooooh yay bank error in your favor, collect $750 dont get screwed out of $750
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit such a clickbait title
 
@enderland Indeed. And you'll never guess what happened next...
 
user55340
The third answer will surprise you.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it looks like an xy problem
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what in ... ugh
 
3:44 PM
What command are you using to compile this? I suspect if you explain your compilation command to yourself you will identify the problem you are facing.. — enderland 1 min ago
also @LightnessRacesinOrbit why does that question have 0 unclear close votes
 
@MichaelT Don't miss the last... five... minutes
 
user41796
4:00 PM
@enderland Sounds like you should self-answer that
 
@GlenH7 maybe, I only learned the "benefits people screwed up" option though, not sure what options are out there if it was my fault
 
@enderland lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think they should have had separate add-on builds for all their clients... instead of a single project :P
 
@enderland maybe. if the plugins are big enough to warrant it
still, the end result is the same - a flat structure rather than deep
these guys are fucked
woah, screen just went red haha thanks f.lux
 
they can only hope either
 
user55340
4:14 PM
Use custom. "Red" is the late evening 1200K or so color.
 
it's 3400K (night) atm
 
1) most of the changes are the same change, with different results (lol not going to be the case almost assuredly)
2) they have a loooooooooooot of revenue and a looooooooooooooot of manpower to work at this problem...
 
user55340
Ahh, not as bad. Might consider the slower change setting then.
 
user55340
Instead of the 6500K to 3400K over a minute, over 10.
 
I changed it to 60min change
 
4:18 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit something tells me there are enough minor "tweaks" and "small changes" in each branch that putting it all into a text file will not fix their problem...
 
@enderland Indeed - it's likely far too late now. But in theory they can build the notion of "variants" into the architecture and make it work just fine
i mean .. just make everything configurable
how hard can that be
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit maybe they have enough revenue they can spend the next 6 months fixing this :P
 
@enderland 6 months? lol try 24
it's a platform rebuild
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit depends on how bad the changes are. but that there are new database field names... I guess that's not promising at all
 
@enderland five hundred variants
and enough merge conflicts to bear mentioning is also a hint
 
4:21 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yeah that it's not an "use X" decision every time is not looking good
 
I'm curious how many companies are in a similar situation
 
most that do PHP I'd wager
 
lol
 
and I can't help but imagine a cultural element here in many cases ahem
 
4:27 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit hey, leave me out of it! I didn't do anything!
 
@JimmyHoffa hey, I forgot to say... Merry Christmas!
 
heheheh one of my friends was asking me about "there's gotta be lots of grads who are applying for that job too, right?" and we're having the "how many of your students are 'competent' :P" convo
 
user41796
duh, all of 'em....
 
:P
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't celebrate Christmas, though interestingly on the same day I do celebrate ThankDadForTheShitHeBoughtYouHoorayDayNowLetsGetSomeChineseFoodMas
 
4:36 PM
arghhh, to explain little bit about background, I am the new software architect to this company. Previously I was doing coding related task and this is my first time to turn into high-level design role. — Fernando Tan 2 mins ago
oh this story gets better and better. that poor guy
 
Oof.. how does somebody get to do high-level design for the first time in an architect role? Yeesh, I've never held the title but I've done tons of high level design..
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa All the other "architects" quit
 
@GlenH7 "you want me to fix this mountain of problems with no resources and no time ?"
 
@GlenH7 I guess, must be one of those shops where devs are just demanded to follow architectural instructions to the letter and free thought among the devs is smashed by the iron fist of hierarchy
I've heard of places like that; what a shit place for a knowledge worker
 
user41796
It sounds like a "just ship it!" type shop
 
4:39 PM
@enderland any responses from shop++?
 
user41796
And tbh, to have gotten as far as they did implies they had some fairly talented devs. Or they got really, really lucky and the per-client configurations aren't as much as the OP indicates
 
@JimmyHoffa nope, nothing yet
 
@JimmyHoffa same thing
 
user41796
@enderland You sent your email Friday afternoon, right?
 
@GlenH7 yeah 2:40 local time
 
user41796
4:42 PM
Not that you're counting the minutes, right?
 
@FernandoTan I am so, so, so sorry for you... — enderland 5 mins ago
:)
 
but inquiring minds WANT TO KNOW
 
user41796
Act as if nothing is different
 
yeah. absolutely. just easier to do when.. you don't know something is different ;)
@MetaFight the Joel test is highly relevant here
 
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Q: Who will say "start camera action" when the director casts himself in the main role?

Latha SharmajiIf the director is in front of the camera, who will say those words to start a movie shot? Who will say "start camera action" when the director casts himself in the main role?

Indianisms amuse me. Like "hit and trial".
 
user55340
4:56 PM
+1 for the purpose of the clapper, it's so obvious now that you say it, but I never knew why they did that. — Joseph Rogers 3 hours ago
 
user41796
@LightnessRacesinOrbit - You have assimilated well... :-)
 
2 days ago, by daOnlyBG
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user41796
5:18 PM
Am I the only person seeing 3 close votes on this one? programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/302156/…
 
user41796
3 15k+'ers and it's closed...
 
@GlenH7 your assimilation into modship is getting closer!
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Q: The number of votes required to close and reopen questions is temporarily reduced . . . for science!

Jon EricsonFor the next 30 days, closing a question will require just 3 votes. Also 3 votes will be sufficient to reopen a closed question. In essence, each close and reopen vote has 5/3rds the normal value. After 30 days I will revert the site setting back to 5 and evaluate the results. I have tested thi...

 
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@enderland I wish!
 
for science
that's just wrong
 
I don't understand the graphics
 
user41796
5:24 PM
@enderland Mostly skimmed, but the principle point I saw there was that close votes on Progs fall into a tighter pattern than other sites. So it means Progs is a better site to experiment with on that change
 
yeah, workplace would not be
 
You've been a PHP dev for all of three years and you're wondering whether you should pack it in because you're afraid it may not make you CTO? Heh. :) — Lightness Races in Orbit 10 secs ago
 
Potential Workplace Question - How do I tell my Dev Lead to stop committing their environment settings into the Repo
hehe
 
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Q: The number of votes required to close and reopen questions is temporarily reduced . . . for science!

Jon EricsonFor the next 30 days, closing a question will require just 3 votes. Also 3 votes will be sufficient to reopen a closed question. In essence, each close and reopen vote has 5/3rds the normal value. After 30 days I will revert the site setting back to 5 and evaluate the results. I have tested thi...

 
user41796
@Ampt (Negative) Peer Pressure FTW
 
5:27 PM
Keep uncommitting them from the repo sounds like it could work hahaha
 
user55340
Put them in git ignore file.
 
or I could start committing all my intelliJ setting files haha
@MichaelT it's in SVN
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit feel free to use this close reason anytime:
from
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Q: What should our predefined off-topic reasons be?

YannisThere are some fairly major changes coming soon to how posts are closed, you may want to read up on the details: Closing changes: [on hold], unclear, too broad, opinion-based, off-topic reasons, bye-bye to Too Localized Responding to your “too localized” concerns We will need to come up with ...

 
user55340
svn:ignore property then.
 
@JimmyHoffa Snark Level: Over 9000
 
user41796
5:30 PM
@Ampt My memory of that answer is the OP was very much deserving of such a response
 
@Ampt have the natives grown wise to your ploy and put you on a spit yet?
 
user55340
@GlenH7 Yannis?
 
so I don't think anything will be different in close vote trends here from this change
 
user55340
@GlenH7 whee! Three to close the education advice question!
 
@GlenH7 agreed, nothing like taking down a country's economy with faulty PHP to earn such derision
 
5:31 PM
Day 6: The other developers asked to see some code that I was supposed to have been working on. I quickly checked out 3 other projects into the same directory and told them I was having environment problems, which they believed. I've probably bought myself an extra day.
 
user55340
Yep... But Yannis is the OP for that question.
 
@Ampt still searching for that CI suite eh? Tough break :/
 
man review audits annoy me, durron's question here just showed up and I was confused how someone VtC'ed it
 
@enderland The extremely flat transition between 1 and 4 close votes suggests that the organic systems for closing aren't working. At any particular time, we should see more questions with 1 close vote than 4. If people were naturally discovering questions to close, we'd expect something along the lines of a Poisson.
 
@JonEricson I think it suggests more that many questions posted here are blatantly off topic, and the remainder are mostly on topic :)
 
5:36 PM
The review queue alters the pattern somewhat, but no other site I looked at has as extreme a gap between 0 and 5 close votes. There's hardly anything in between.
@enderland Perhaps. That's part of what I hope to discover with this experiment.
 
@JimmyHoffa Nah. I somehow did manage to merge two projects into one, which did destroy the minute amount of work I had, but they weren't really expecting anything at all, so all's well.
 
@JimmyHoffa I can't get over that comma abuse.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit abuse? That comma was asking for it.
 
@JonEricson what if you only plot from 1-4 so the differences between those values are more obvious?
 
@JonEricson look, you experimentalists with your silly concoctions can drink all the root-brews you can come up with, questions are still going to get closed
 
5:40 PM
in Duga's Playground, 8 mins ago, by Duga
Monking! (Duga is now listening for commands)
 
@JimmyHoffa True. And they should be.
 
@Duga should be working again now.
 
@JimmyHoffa but... coffee!
 
Also, review queues are perhaps a red herring for ya; take a look at SEDE and come up with the average TTL for closed Qs here overall; it may be that they go from 0->closed really quickly after posting and that's why you have such a small window of mid-vote-count
 
5:41 PM
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Q: Community list of Data Explorer queries

Jimmy HoffaMany of us have written and played with various stack exchange data explorer queries over time, but that site is terrible for keeping track of the organized useful list of queries we've scrambled. I thought perhaps we could keep a list of them here as a sort of community wiki. Any post of any q...

 
@ratchetfreak There you go ^^^^.
 
tweak some of the queries I have there
@JonEricson urgh, unlabeled axes...grahh. You're going to give me an aneurysm.
 
Link the SEDE query you worked that from
 
This is math ^^^^.
@JimmyHoffa Can't. It's using internal data.
 
5:43 PM
@JonEricson I used math once. Once.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit: Unfortunately, SEDE doesn't honor the data type of seelcted numbers. I'm sure a pull request would be welcome. ;-) — Jon Ericson ♦ 15 mins ago
 
gahhh nooo unlabeled axes you just want my head to pop don't you
 
@JonEricson Keep going! Just put him out of his cynical misery!
 
@Ampt I don't trust to to be sure.
@JonEricson what are those axes saying? I genuinely have no idea
you hate me
 
user41796
@JonEricson - Regardless of the peanut gallery going on here, thank you for running this experiment on Progs. It does provide a sense of being listened to and that our pain points are being heard.
 
5:44 PM
We really do appreciate it - It's just also lunch time and we're all half a dozen cups of coffee into the day.
 
user41796
Only a half dozen? Slacker... :-P
 
so many star worthy things!
 
@JimmyHoffa The X is close votes from 1 to 4. The Y is counts. Notice that Math has a slope and Programmers is flat.
@GlenH7 Oh my pleasure. (And you should thank Shog, since he was the one with the idea.)
 
user55340
Math is one of those places we consider "odd". And not in the %2 sense.
2
 
user41796
@JonEricson I'll hunt him down and do so, thanks!
 
5:47 PM
@MichaelT I just grabbed a random site with a fair degree of closing. Truthfully there are very few sites that have that Programmers' shape.
 
user41796
We're special
 
@GlenH7 glad someone said it ;)
 
user41796
The nuance is soooo much better when left like that.
 
Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark.
 
user41796
@JonEricson - if the results of the experiment hold to your expectations, is there a chance of this change being made permanent for Progs?
 
5:52 PM
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Q: Default linkedin avatar

Yana Savchenkoeveryone! I have a problem with linkedin default avatar. According to basic profile fields doc: picture-url: A URL to the member's formatted profile picture, if one has been provided. But what if it wasn't provided? How can I get default avatar? For example, google+ returns: url: 'https://...

dafuq
 
1 rep users doin what 1 rep users do
 
I'm making the recommendation that we shouldn't make a purchase of any of these dumbass modeling tools.
 
user41796
Gonna write your own instead?
 
@ThomasOwens didn't like Enterprise Architect?
 
Anyone familiar with Lloyd's algorithm? I wrote an implementation of it and was running some tests. My data set is 1D (specifically dealing with UNIX time in seconds). When the initial medoids are randomly selected, the outputted medoids appear to be kind of "random". Is there any way to get the resultant medoids more consistent? I want to be able to compare changes in the mean of different clusters when new data is introduced into the data set the k-medoids function is operating on.
 
5:56 PM
@Ampt Enterprise Architect was very model-based software engineering, of the "draw your pictures and generate code" style. The reverse engineering capabilities were...lacking. As were those in Visual Paradigm.
 
@GlenH7 Yes. (But we will definitely be going back to 5 after 30 days.)
 
user41796
Very cool. Happy to know there's a chance it could be made permanent. Understandable that it needs to be reverted while the results are analyzed.
 
user55340
Btw, any comments on the merge and replace close reason question?
 
user55340
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Q: Merge and replace custom close reason

MichaelTWe've been fairly consistently getting poor quality implementation and debugging questions. A previous suggestion (related: 1 2) to increase the count hasn't been acted upon and the suggestion for us was to merge the close reasons that we have. The two that are likely the best to merge are the ...

 
My recommendation would be to invest in training and tools. Training to learn design methodologies and approaches and tools to focus on code (IDEs, analysis, and understanding of code).
@MichaelT Looks reasonable to me, but I'm waiting for more input.
 
5:59 PM
@ThomasOwens IntelliJ?
 
user41796
$0.05...
 
Sorry, I blacked out for a second there, what did I miss?
It's weird, one second I was looking at chat, then my IDE flashed bright white, and next thing I knew I was drooling on my keyboard.
 
@Ampt Ideally, whatever the developers want.
 
Wasn't that what was asked though. With all respect, I just helped someone. — Philippos Slicher 1 min ago
that sodding excuse again. FFS.
"but I helped!!!!!!!1"
 
If someone wants an IntelliJ license, sure. But we do a lot of Eclispe RCP development here, so I'm not sure how many people would take advantage of that.
 
6:01 PM
and along come the apologisers thanking him for his off-topic, link-only answer
 
@ThomasOwens That's not how missionary's work. You need to show them what they want!
 
@Ampt I'm not using IntelliJ. There are some Eclipse plugins I'd rather have.
 
user55340
(I converted Ampt... Waiting for my multilevel marketing payouts now...)
 
@MichaelT Checks in the mail, buddy.
 
oh god the apostrophe abuse! stop it!
 
6:04 PM
Where was it?
what did I do?
 
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID
 
Im not su're what I did or did'nt do?
 
I want to know where you saw me prominently
then maybe Ill re'evaluate my punctuation.
 
@JonEricson well; looks like average closure time is not at all what I thought it might be. Many days seems to be the norm; just to give some kind of activity-based-partition I grouped by hour of day and the fastest average closure for an hour-of-day was 125 days; that's curtailing to 2012+, 2013+ goes down to 19 days but still..
 
6:05 PM
(that one's standing in for a hyphen.)
 
tells me it's not going from 0 CVs to 5 CVs just moments after appearing
 
so the 0-5 is likely from your estimation, from the review queue
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Just tell me this: is it because I won something?
 
6:07 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit at least it's not unlabeled graph axes; that's a sin against math; a cardinal sin I believe.
 
@JimmyHoffa why?
 
@JimmyHoffa nah haven't you read, misrepresentation of data is how advertising works
 
@enderland yes, but a graph without labeled axes is like a sign written as an anagram of itself. It means something! But what!?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh boy, what did I win
 
@JimmyHoffa you were supposed to say "cos." #smh
@Ampt I don't remember.
 
6:10 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit gah, your'e no fun.
 
@Ampt :(
Plot twist: I'm a suspicious colleague here to spy on you. Your prize is.... you're fired!
 
@JimmyHoffa Two things to consider: 1) use medians, not averages and 2) really ancient questions skew results.
 
@JonEricson I know. I filtered out past 2 days of age to see if it was still tilt long; it did: Basically said "Sure, closed no later than 2 days? Most of those took almost 2 days to close."
as for medians bleh, they takes a CTE and having clause and it's a pain in the arse to pull medians out of T-SQL
one of the big things this really tells me: In all honesty, it looks like we close a crap load of questions that are really old.
 
user41796
@JimmyHoffa Which we do
 
note hours open skyrockets when I jut filter to stuff only closed in the past year not posted in the past year:
 
user41796
6:15 PM
I routinely see 2010-13 questions in the close vote queue
 
here's hours open for stuff created since '14:
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Plot twist - then you should have been at lunch while you typed that!
@MichaelT have you noticed that the maven bundled with intellij is super out of date?
 
@GlenH7 yeah, which is promising I suppose. @JonEricson try tweaking away the closures over a week old or something and see how rapidly it goes from 0->5
 
Urp... How did that happen? Closed by three people.
 
I wonder if the review queue is killing ancient stuff from 0->5 CVs right quick but the stuff that's not so old that get's closed does take time as it's not through queue
@RobertHarvey One of them was Voldemort
 
6:18 PM
why does our voicemail system require an EIGHT DIGIT PIN
 
Voldemort == @GlenH7?
 
@enderland they couldn't demand a capital character.
 
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Q: single responsibility and handling of resources

user125047I recently read some confusing things, suggesting that an object handling its own resources and such may be breaking the single responsibility principle. Is it bad practice to have an object take care of itself? Or is it acceptable to treat the single responsibility principle as more of a single ...

 
@RobertHarvey sounds likely.
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey Despite his predilection for heinous acts in order to split his soul, I think I'm flattered.
 
user114359
6:19 PM
@gnat: The answer posted to that question says "nobody knows." — Robert Harvey 9 mins ago
 
@RobertHarvey Clearly you've missed out on the recent convo
 
Clearly.
 
user114359
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Q: The number of votes required to close and reopen questions is temporarily reduced . . . for science!

Jon EricsonFor the next 30 days, closing a question will require just 3 votes. Also 3 votes will be sufficient to reopen a closed question. In essence, each close and reopen vote has 5/3rds the normal value. After 30 days I will revert the site setting back to 5 and evaluate the results. I have tested thi...

 
@Snowman Frackin snowmen...
 
user114359
@Ampt too slow!
 
That's all kinds of awesome.
 
@Snowman too slow!
@MichaelT: One of the difficulties I think people face when looking at a pile of already-closed questions is that they are primed to see more of the same. It could very well be that there are no gems hidden in those questions. It could also be the case that presenting them in a long list is an inefficient way to find them. In any case, one potentially positive result of this change is that fewer people need to read questions in order to close them. — Jon Ericson ♦ 13 mins ago
 
@Snowman This is the best we for me to be notified that I'm getting upvotes on that meta question. Thanks!
 
so this is a question to the room, I don't understand what we can do to "prove" to SE that many people just ask 100% off topic questions here or ask a vague question, which could be on topic, but don't put more info into it so it's too [broad/unclear/etc]? it feels.. like this is impossible to communicate effectively
I don't want to derail that meta post, though
 
user41796
@JonEricson +7/-0 on a 36 view question on MP.SE can safely be interpreted as very positive.
 
user114359
6:23 PM
@JonEricson Your link in that question also made me realize I am one of the top editors recently. But it still doesn't help, most of my edits are for grammar and clarity, not fixing off-topic questions.
 
user41796
@enderland If the existing numbers (close, edit, delete rates) remain essentially the same with the lowered close vote threshold, that should be a positive sign we can have the change permanently
 
user41796
But if the existing numbers don't remain the same, then we need to dig into why that's happening and what does that mean.
 
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Q: single responsibility and handling of resources

user125047I recently read some confusing things, suggesting that an object handling its own resources and such may be breaking the single responsibility principle. Is it bad practice to have an object take care of itself? Or is it acceptable to treat the single responsibility principle as more of a single ...

 
user41796
With the exception of edit + reopen rate going up, we want the existing rates to stay the same or get smaller.
 
this is a good example, if this user never comes back that question will never be reopened
 
6:25 PM
@enderland It will be proven after 30 days when Jon reviews the data, if we don't close the rare gem that might actually produce good answers, on a technicality. Otherwise, Robert Cartaino will come along and go "SEE! I told you it wouldn't work."
 
user114359
@enderland the off-topic questions are what they are. I think the question is whether we can edit the unclear/broad/POB questions to be reopenable. Currently it seems like the asker will either give up and move on, or make a feeble attempt at editing the question without addressing our concerns
 
@Snowman right. I think everyone here agrees with that - but nearly all SE employees disagree with that (and what Robert just said)
 
user114359
@enderland ...which is why we're all excited at this opportunity
 
@Snowman I guess I'm missing how seeing the same ratio of questions closed will change much of the "p.se closes many good questions that just need TLC to be reopened" attitude (?)
 
user114359
@enderland Nothing will change, other than we spend fewer CVs, proving our point.
 
6:29 PM
There's a very good reason why the frequency of edits is so low on Programmers.
 
user114359
@MichaelT remember your comment about Facebook eventually being responsible for making everyone unelectable? Israel 'to review' appointment over Facebook row
 
@ThomasOwens there are nearly never questions in the reopen review queue, either
 
user114359
> On Facebook, Ran Baratz accused Mr Obama of anti-Semitism and described US Secretary of State John Kerry as having a "mental age" of no more than 12.
 
user114359
Oops.
 
or maybe people plow through those faster than I can even get to :P
 
6:30 PM
That's not going to change. In most cases, only the asker can actually edit a question in a manner that makes it suitable for reopening. I suppose random people could, but they may miss the point of what would actually help the person asking the question.
 
user114359
@enderland I might see one or two, and rarely do I vote to reopen.
 
user114359
@ThomasOwens Right. I will edit a question or answer up to the line of "changing the author's intent." Which would be required to reopen a question, typically, but not always.
 
@Ampt Plot twist: I was.
@Snowman heh
> "We obviously expect government officials from any country, especially our closest allies, to speak respectfully and truthfully about senior US government officials."
He wasn't a government official!! lol
to be fair, the article doesn't say when the comments were posted
 
argh!!!!!!!!!!!! — codingguy3000 48 secs ago
you could edit that into the question?
 
Omg, I didn't know this is a some sect and no 'just help'. — Yana Savchenko 32 mins ago
 
user114359
6:37 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Right, but MichaelT's point in a discussion from last week was that people say dumb stuff on social media, years later when running for election or appointment to a high-level government job said tweets or whatever come back to haunt them. Which is precisely what happened here.
 
@Snowman I remember
All I'm saying is that we don't know that that happened here. The posts could have been made last week for all we know
 
user114359
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Either way, say dumb stuff, get dumb results. I know for a fact that if I ever ran for office that my social media would be a goldmine of ammunition to destroy my campaign. Oh well. I use the 1st amendment to its fullest extent.
 
6:50 PM
SCOTCH!
 
@JimmyHoffa I love free speech SCOTCH!
 
meanwhile, I find it hilarious that you lot cling to your constitution so much, particularly the amendments, as if they are some sort of divinely-inspired rulebook that may never be broken, nor amended by anyone.
 

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