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user15026

12:26 AM

@Ampt Did the end of the book make you want to throw stuff? Also, how mad were you when you found out who was leaking information?

Lightness Races in Orbit

TIL there is such a thing as "colour force"

@AshleyNunn spoilers!!!

user15026

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Do you know how hard it was to ask what I wanted to ask with as few spoilers as possible? :P (Seriously I typed it like 4 times)

Lightness Races in Orbit

@AshleyNunn the irony of "leaking information" eh!

user15026

laughs Precisely

Lightness Races in Orbit

meh, the reality is that I don't even know what book you're talking about. so it's okay

user15026

12:38 AM

That helps, for sure

user55340

12:53 AM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit only in Europe. On this side of the pond its the Color Force. Which is red if you are a sith. And its saber.

@amon I would like you to explain this:

I don't agree with this policy. Poor signal-to-noise ratio answers don't imply the question itself is poor. Why not let users sort out the quality of answers (and questions) by voting instead of removing the questions up front citing policy? I think Reddit does a really good job with this issue, I don't see why StackExchange can't. — amos 3 hours ago

user55340

@JimmyHoffa amoN != amoS

@amon what do you have to say for yourself? We aren't reddit, you should know better! Shame on you!

@MichaelT @amon will answer for such terribad logicalizing!

user55340

Amon is the Amo from the North. And Amos is the Amo from the South. There. Thats why.

Poor southerner, all is forgiven.

Lightness Races in Orbit

1:09 AM

I read Yahoo Answers when google puts them at the top of my search... — amos 3 hours ago

enough said.

user55340

The Chateau at Lake Louise (this alone is a reason to go to Canada)

Lightness Races in Orbit

1:22 AM

nice

1:47 AM

> The Golden Rule for Selfish People (@JonEricson +1)

everytime someone encourages me to read that book I smile politely and say that sounds interesting while thinking they must be a schmuck because it's the only thing that makes sense; must be a fault in my wiring. Meh.

Lightness Races in Orbit

I am up far too late

Sigh

user55340

@LightnessRacesinOrbit You can blame @JimmyHoffa for being far too.... um... interesting. And you'll need coffee tomorrow. Happy coffee morning!

my friend, who was the referrer said:

Lightness Races in Orbit

@MichaelT mleh

Ah that stinks

2:00 AM

it's the stupid circlejerk of my job now is crappy and not development, so the longer i'm in it the harder getting into an actual dev job will be

@MichaelT ah, you're making me gush.

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I should just quit, do a CS degree in like 1.5 years, and call it good

user55340

@enderland its an option, though consider that a CS degree might not be what you really want there. Consider the... I want to say "vocational computer programming" programs that some places offer with the option of night / weekend courses.

yeah, I guess

yeah, I have a vocational coding course for ya: Just write all the software I want for me. Yay software kthx.

2:03 AM

:)

user55340

I know Chippewa Valley Community College had such a program. I'm certain that MATC does (Madison Area Technical College).

user55340

The point being that computer science is about those big O questions that I hate.

@MichaelT yeah, that's a valid point

user55340

Indeed. Though you should hear the lecture I get from my cat when I'm home when he thinks I'm late.

my university had a software engineering degree they started when I was there 5+ years ago

2:04 AM

@MichaelT yeah, it really doesn't help much. Especially when a lot of people who go back to get it find themselves being given a reset button. Everyone looks at their resume and despite X amount of previous experience, they just see a fresh grad and want to pay entry wage and you're starting all over.

user55340

Its a piece of paper. It also puts you in a slightly different career trajectory.

I've known people who dealt with that; totally sucks.

I think right now I'm just feeling frustrated and am not sure I'm going to make any good decisions lol

@enderland scotch it.

user55340

I'll also point out that it took me two years out of college to get a full time programming job.

2:06 AM

@MichaelT not uncommon... that foot in the door is fucking hard to get in our industry. Nobody wants to hire someone for their first job.

user55340

I was tech support, QA, sysadmin, tech support... in that cycle until I was able to do the sysadmin to perl to web programmer pivot.

@JimmyHoffa I'm half tempted to pull the "screw this, I'm quitting and doing dev myself!"

I heard that was a good idea

the bright side is I have my year-end review this week and I'm definitely going to bring up that I want to be doing software dev (not what I'm doing now)

the problem is... there are no easy options to get there from what I'm doing now within my company

@enderland if you can afford the risk it's not bad as I understand it, but I have zilch experience or study on entrepreneurship so I've never bothered and don't intend to.

well I more mean just to learn and do some serious open source projectwork or something

@MichaelT for me it was sys admin->builds->tests->installers before I convinced people to let me code on their actual production line

user55340

2:10 AM

@enderland There's always Epic... (I'm joking... please realize I'm joking)

@MichaelT I'd probably get a job there. though they stopped spamming me recruiting emails so maybe they blacklisted me ;)

@enderland that'll fix your head but I have zilch experience making that mean anything to employers..typically IME employers all think they're a special snow flake and if you haven't done nearly exactly what they're doing, you don't know and can't learn how

user55340

They don't blacklist you until you're 30.

haha (to both those)

user55340

One of those "check it out" things - look at the state. The public sector often is undermined and hiring at all levels.

user55340

2:14 AM

For example, the Department I'm in (and thats big D department) is still trying to hire. Found out some of the history... when they split from another department back in the mid 90's, the only IT / developer types that they were assigned where the ones working on a project for them at that time.

@MichaelT you probably wouldn't want someone starting in april would you? :P

user55340

So picture an IT department with... oh say... 150 people. 10 of them were working on a project for this department... and it splits off. Its those 10 that are the entirety of the new department. We're still playing catch up. And that sort of thing happens all over.

user55340

If you're serious about working for the same department, there may be openings.

(we can't relo till then, my wife committed to middle of April - but she'd love me to DEATH if we could move to WI :P)

user55340

wisc.jobs/public/job_search_list.asp?advsrch=1 - there are lots out there.

user55340

2:16 AM

Meh, that didn't filter right.

awww yeah another horrible job search custom site! :D

user55340

wisc.jobs/public/index.asp - start there.

user55340

> Support and develop major mainframe systems using COBOL and business analysis skills for the Department of Transportation! WisDOT has an opportunity for a Mainframe Developer in our Bureau of Information Technology Services. This position will deliver mainframe application maintenance and new projects as necessary for internal customer projects.

user55340

> This position is in schedule-range 07-33 with a starting salary of $59,404-$91,166 annually, depending on qualifications, plus excellent benefits. A six month probationary period is required.

I need to pick a language and just play with it, all the time, outside of work

user55340

2:19 AM

(this one was one they actually pinged about in the Department email - wisc.jobs/public/… )

user55340

> The right candidate will have advanced knowledge of:
• Testing methodology.
• Web application software, tools and environment including Visual Basic, VB.Net, ASP.Net, .Net Framework, Visual Studio, JavaScript, Web Services, Stored Procedures, CSS, C#, Ajax, XHTML, and HTML in a Microsoft Web development environment using components such as IIS, COM+, DB2 Connect, Team Foundation Server and interfacing with COBOL, CICS programs utilizing DB2 and Oracle Relational DataBase Management Systems.
• Software development environments including test, development, training, and production..

> Web application software, tools and environment including .... [everything you might have used]

user55340

These positions are constantly opening and closing... but the thing is to realize that they're there and look.

hmmm

user55340

They constantly have people retiring, getting promoted, and transferring. Transfer between Departments is easy.

user55340

2:24 AM

If I wanted to work in another administrative branch IT department, its a minor matter of paperwork. Not that I do (I've got a good manager). But its the "there are always positions opening" - one guy moved to Montana a few months ago. Someone promoted from one position into the lead position he had... now that position is open and two of the guys I play sheepshead with are competing for that position.

This is encouraging, I think

it will be nice to have location flexibility

wisc.jobs/public/…

that seems... like it could be possible for me? though I really should just start forcing myself to make a project in java

user55340

I don't see any tricky things in there... web development... they've got maven there?! I'm jealous... trying to introduce it here.

oh that's a "senior level" position

so used to "senior java dev" vs "java dev"...

user55340

Note though that its a re-annoucement as in "they didn't find anyone the first time around"

> Candidates who applied for this position in the last six months do not need to reapply.

lol

user55340

2:29 AM

State jobs get a fair bit of that - the "people keep applying and wasting our time" - especially with the ease of internal transfers.

user55340

But the thing is to keep your eye on that list of jobs. Poke at it every week and see whats new. You may find the right one.

user55340

Write some basic web apps for familiarity, and then apply for those jobs. I know Wisconsin is very much a Java shop unless we're forced into C# in some odd spots by a vendor.

user55340

(except for the court system... they're the scala shop...)

do you think it's at all a good plan to apply with availability only in April?

obviously some of those postings have... been out there a while, but still

user55340

Hmm... not sure. You could always call up the HR person listed.

2:35 AM

oh weird, they list the HR person contact? they obviously don't get too much spam lol

user55340

Don't need to give them more spam if they get it... but its at the bottom of each posting.

Yeah every posting has the HR person, that's crazy

user55340

Welcome to the public sector... a different type of crazy.

netbeans.org/kb/docs/web/mysql-webapp.html

that seem like a reasonable place to start?

user55340

Looks reasonable.

2:45 AM

Looks like a good list exposure to the full front end through database end of it

user55340

Though I'd be tempted to say "thats old" in that "how about a single page javascript app, with a Java Rest backend"?

user55340

Not that its not good, and I still write code that way myself... though I find that a jQuery html page with a REST endpoint on the back end is faster to write code for and more flexible to use.

hmm. the nice (and bad) part about java is there are tons of resources out there

@enderland ~~Haskell~~ I will refrain myself. Uhm ~~scotch~~ how about ~~haskell~~ C ~~haskell~~ #?

user55340

Just stick with Spring. Seriously. All but one place I've worked at was Spring.

2:51 AM

@enderland play in SEDE - tons of data, you understand the semantic meaning of the data already - so you can easily come up with interesting aggregates and things to construct from it. Use that for learning SQL if you wish to learn it.

as for front-end, if you're going to be working throughout the stack - front-end will be the least of your concerns; anybody who does actually work in back and front always ends up needing to understand and know more of the back-end because there's simply a hell of a lot more to it.

Every job I've seen that had a focus on front and back-end were giving vague hand waving at front-end because all the devs working on it only saw it as 5% of their actual knowledge and about as important overall

tutorialspoint.com/spring/index.htm

I might play with that when I have more time

@JimmyHoffa SQL is fun

@enderland agreed; though you may have that idea already worked out eh as you do a lot of ETL stuff?

user55340

Looks ok. Though I'd still make sure you put a REST endpoint into there to see how that works. Grab a copy of Swagger and create the .yaml file for your endpoint.

^--- swagger++

@JimmyHoffa the worst part of it is that I don't do anything other than play in a crappy GUI app - I hardly write any SQL at all

user55340

2:56 AM

swagger.io

user55340

The closest thing there is now days to a wsdl for rest.

user55340

See it with: petstore.swagger.io - glance at the petstore.swagger.io/v2/swagger.json (though load it up in editor.swagger.io/# to see the .yaml)

@MichaelT oh that lokoks neat

user55340

Its a "look what I can do" even though all you have to do is create the .yaml file for it to work.

@MichaelT that's yaml? I've heard of it for simple config stuff these days becoming super common but never done anything that used it. On the .NET side I just use a library that generates the swagger doc through reflection and hosts a swagger client so when I create my REST API's I get an automatic client built into them built special for them

user55340

2:59 AM

@JimmyHoffa a white space level indented configuration file.

user55340

Really popular in the ruby world.

swagger.io/getting-started-with-swagger-i-what-is-swagger

look at the example on the homepage there @JimmyHoffa

user55340

swagger: '2.0'
info:
  title: Uber API
  description: Move your app forward with the Uber API
  version: "1.0.0"
# the domain of the service
host: api.uber.com
# array of all schemes that your API supports
schemes:
  - https
# will be prefixed to all paths
basePath: /v1
produces:
  - application/json
paths:
  /products:
    get:
      summary: Product Types
      description: |
        The Products endpoint returns information about the *Uber* products
        offered at a given location. The response includes the display name

or what @MichaelT posted

user55340

The 'info' configuration has three items under it: title, description, and version.

user55340

3:00 AM

You *could write it as yaml, or as json - they're interchangeable.

@MichaelT yeah, I know HAML and all that stuff came from ruby. I like the form, ruby I think gave us a lot of neat things if you don't like ruby itself. As you know I'm still a proponent of CoffeeScript which I understand is largely modeled on ruby

I always figured YAML looked like that because I've seen HAML and I figured it wasn't far off

user55340

The json there would look like {'info':{'title':'Uber API', 'description':'...', 'version':'1.0.0'} }

user55340

You'll actually see json refs in there:

user55340

  responses:
    200:
      description: An array of products
      schema:
        type: array
        items:
          $ref: '#/definitions/Product'
    default:
      description: Unexpected error
      schema:
        $ref: '#/definitions/Error'

ok I think I'm going to bed, this was an encouraging conversation - thank you both

3:02 AM

@MichaelT the petstore thing is identical to the swagger UI client I get in .NET; I knew swagger was a standard regarding API stuff but I didn't think the client piece was standard as well? I find that curious

@enderland don't forget: ~~make them pay~~ Scotch!

user55340

The client is just a "grab the javascript and drop it in your app"

user55340

Thats the web app side... though there's also client generation that is still being worked on for some languages.

user55340

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user55340

Not sure how well that works, I haven't dug into it too much.

user55340

Hmm... swagger spring mvc server generation looks ok.

user55340

3:06 AM

@enderland you might want to consider starting out with the swagger yaml file and going from there.

user55340

At least on the second app you build.

3:48 AM

@MichaelT you make me feel stupid for the rest client I recently wrote for a (bad) 3rd party REST api. I should have just written a YAML for it and then looked for YAML rest clients for .NET

Hey maybe there's not any... @enderland make me a swagger YAML rest client in .NET.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa poke at the editor site. See if the code generation there works.

4:45 AM

@YeldarKurmangaliyev "Is X good practice" is a whiteboard questions and should go to Programmers, not Code Review. "Is there anything wrong in my code" sounds like OP has no idea whether it works or not. On top of that, it's a one-liner bordering stub code. All in all it's not a good question for Code Review. To top even that, closing because it's on-topic somewhere else IS NOT A VALID CLOSE REASON! Close if it's off-topic here, not if it's on-topic somewhere else. — Mast 1 min ago

3 hours later…

7:19 AM

Too Broad:

-1

Q: Trouble integrating backend Javascript code with front end XUL

I am a student am working on adding a plug-in to an open source web application for Firefox for a course. I decided that we would code our back-end with JavaScript and front-end with XUL (too late to change this decision right now). Right now I have some basic functionality for the back-end. I a...

javascript api xml ui front-end

3 hours later…

10:08 AM

I think you're off-topic (mainly because you want to discuss general concepts and not concrete problems) and you should ask this question on programmers.stackexchange.com — konqi 57 secs ago

4 hours later…

1:46 PM

Hm. I don't see that Google has done much with Timeful yet...

Happy Coffee Day

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Q: As an interviewee, how to handle situations where the interviewer is unprepared or asking the wrong questions?

I was interviewing for a software engineering position, but one of the interviews was... off. The primary interviewer in one was: Not prepared (didn't seem to have questions prepared) Having a hard time asking even a trivial question clearly I like to think, with my SE experience, I'm good at...

@enderland I've had many of the same interview experiences. Interviewing is done terribly, and people are largely biased about a great deal of things to the point of not even giving people a chance. I always know when I've ended interviews that didn't touch technical topics I wasn't getting it - just because if you don't ask me about technical stuff then you're giving me no chance to show what I am explicitly about. What's your degree? I thought you had a solid technical degree; masters no less?

@JimmyHoffa I do

I have a mechanical engineering undergrad, and human computer interaction masters

could be classical masters bias: Lots of people believe anything above an undergrad means you have no idea how to code, which may be why they were asking you super basic stuff about a for loop (and apparently not asking it directly because - lots of interviewers like to think it's some kind of mind-reading quiz rather than an interview)

So often people see it as a "I need to keep the details secret so they can show they already know it!" test - which is absolutely not what "interview" means. People have no damn clue how to interview honestly; it's about getting to know the person and what they are and aren't capable of. Not about scoring them with your own made up testing system.

But then I've waxed poetic on how wrecked everyone is at interviewing in this industry in the past; I don't need to do that again. My suggestion @enderland would be to maybe next time if you're in the same situation - when you decide it's beyond repair and you want to make a last ditch effort, you can just try to steer the questioning. Tell them you want to show them something you're passionate about and walk through some technical concept you like with a running exposition

2:05 PM

It's not a trivia contest

@ratchetfreak it is the way lots do it; sadly..

mostly because you can put an easy metric on the trivia knowledge

@JimmyHoffa I'm going to do that next time I think. I'm really good at manipulating discussions when I set my mind to it, it just feels... super awkward to manipulate those interviewing you

as opposed to problem solving on a problem with 15 different solutions

@ratchetfreak I would have been happy with even a trivia interview

2:07 PM

@enderland they prejudged from something that you wouldn't have known the answers to any trivia; that's why you got the vaguely worded test of "Does he even know what a for loop is?" You did hand out a resume when you walked in, no?

@JimmyHoffa yes

I think my problem is my resume doesn't say "software engineer" anywhere on it, too, and they wanted that or a comp sci degree basically

maybe the guy wanted to sabotage the hiring process for some reason

@enderland eh, did they even do the typical setup for an interview of "Tell us about yourself and your experiences yadda yadda" ?

@ratchetfreak also sadly common..

If an interviewer doesn't start with asking you to explain and summarize your background, they've already decided you aren't worth bothering with and they're just going through the motions when they know they won't hire you (for some reason)

@JimmyHoffa it's possible they did this, but not really, or at least if they did I didn't realize it...

what type of questions did he ask?

2:14 PM

quite a few "people" related questions (which were easy to answer, since they were easy to answer)

the only real technical question related to the for loop

I think the "prejudged" comment is 100% applicable here

that "fits" my experience perfectly

The "tell me about yourself" section of an interview seems to a lot who don't realize like it's just the thin glossy pointless stuff to get out of the way - it's absolutely not. It sets the tone for the whole thing IME; when I interview someone that's what I use to get things to ask them about and how to relate my questions to them. When I'm being interviewed I make sure it points out the strong technical focus I have and how much I've really enjoyed the complex technical challenges I've worked.

Whatever data-related work they've done is what I use in reference to ask them about how much they really know about data systems. If they never mention a tech like SOAP throughout - then I know to start that line of questioning at the most basic level "Have you heard of X, worked with X, tell me about X" and if they say they've worked extensively with it I'll go straight for the meat

ah well. c'est la vie I guess

@enderland aye; it sounds like they really didn't ask this of you and had already made their judgement. I just mention as something to think about next time, you can use that time to force them to focus on the technical (unless again they refuse to even ask)

@JimmyHoffa my hunch is that the first interviewer got some level of "enderland has weak technical background" (for whatever reason) and communicated that to the second group

2:53 PM

@AshleyNunn The end of the book was both a surprise and not a surprise - I mean here we are in this post-apocalyptic world where anyone can die at anytime, and yet the thought of one of them dieing was just... unseen. Looking back though, it seems like an obvious move.

As to who was leaking information - that was shitty. Super shitty. I definitely did NOT see that one coming

3:11 PM

Because it's about design. It's not a programming problem. It might be better suited to another stack exchange site, possibly programmers though I'm reluctant to point you there because they don't seem to like it when people do that for some reason. — roryap 39 secs ago

3:23 PM

@roryap - this isn't a good question for programmers as it's more about the implementation than the conceptual aspect of programming. As to why "they don't seem to like it when people [point you to there]", that's because of the generally low quality of content that self-migrates from SO over to Programmers. There are many, many incorrect recommendations to re-ask a question on Programmers, and the Progs community actively works to close down those recommendations. — GlenH7 14 secs ago

user55340

You tell 'em'

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A: AndAlso to avoid double "If-Then"

Yes, that's a good way to use AndAlso and is what the operator is intended for. The visual basic And operator performs a Boolean comparison, but does not short circuit the evaluation. The visual basic AndAlso operator performs a Boolean comparison, and short circuits the evaluation. Short circ...

the truth is revealed - he just wants the SO Rep!

user41796

@Ampt quiet you!

user41796

Thanks for the shameless promotion though. My SO repz is quite lacking

Happy Fallout4 release day everyone! On a completely unrelated note, I'm working from home today.

3:33 PM

@GlenH7 workplace.stackexchange.com/q/57460/2322

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Q: What JavaScript has that is so special that could make asynchronous programming (Node.js) so popular?

I love Node.js and I believe that asynchronous programming for non-blocking I/O is a real game changer. What I would like to know is: if Node.js is a trending topic and is so successful due to this event-driven paradigm, why can't I see other similar frameworks for different programming language...

javascript programming-languages node.js event-programming asynchronous-programming

@Ampt haha "unrelated" - but really, FallOut 4 is out today? Gads I should actually play new vegas at some point..

Duplicate of programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/153366/…

@Ampt anything new to note about 4? Multiplayer?

@JimmyHoffa Multiplayer bethesda game - good joke

nah, just new graphics, new map, all that jazz

I actually don't have it

I wasn't joking when I said unrelated

@enderland I'm really sorry to hear that man.

3:35 PM

@Ampt right? ah well.

Train line I take had a train-pedestrian accident somewhere between me and downtown, so all the trains are delayed 90+ minutes

so I just decided to WFH

@enderland whiskey time?

@Ampt hah

It's frustrating but... as long as I continue to learn more and more that's fine

user41796

Sorry, just caught up on the transcript.

I didn't get a satisfactory answer to the "will you run out of money in two years" question either, so it's not even a guarantee I would have taken it had I gotten an offer (not sure)

user41796

Chocolate covered chocolate chip cookies are awesome.

user41796

3:45 PM

Just sayin'

@enderland don't be too frustrated: This place grew at an unsustainable ridiculous rate; also their hiring sounds like it's wanting. Keep in mind how terrible so many places in this industry are, and the fact that somewhere with bad hiring will have employees you probably won't want to work with.

Could be worse: They could have hired you O_O

@JimmyHoffa oh yeah. it's not all roses that I am missing, that's for sure

14 hours ago, by Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland scotch it.

lol you guys. I rarely drink and when I do... it's not to down my sorrows ;)

user41796

@enderland - to answer your interviewing question: direct attempts like what you're suggesting in the question would simply get you marched out the door faster. As the interviewee, you're not in a position of power. All manipulation of the interview must be done very subtly. So when you're answering an unrelated question, you have to deftly drop in references to your broader background and hopefully guide the questioning that way.

3:47 PM

@GlenH7 yeah, I don't think there is a "good" answer but I think that makes it a good question for Workplace (since we get way too many trivial questions...)

user41796

There's a couple of options regarding what happened - first one is that the interviewers were underwhelmed by your resume to start with and only granted the interview because of the internal reference.

@enderland oh, well no wonder you didn't seem technical enough. Here, this'll cure your interviewing ails:

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user41796

Another option is that they are really, really, really crappy at interviewing and have gotten by so far by sheer momentum and throwing cash at things. Reference Jimmy's rants about duplication between teams.

2 mins ago, by enderland

lol you guys. I rarely drink and when I do... it's not to down my sorrows ;)

@GlenH7 I think this, combined with what Jimmy was saying about having a "hunch" is what the combination was

user41796

Yet another option is that you asked too many pointed questions about the longevity of the company. Ergo you're not a team player from the get-go and you're not a viable candidate.

user41796

3:49 PM

Or possibly D) All of the above.

my takeaway is to have a very solid "here's my technical background, I did X, Y, Z for A years. I am currently involved in ABC" statement at the start of any interview I take in the future

user41796

(Delete those as you see fit)

@enderland I was responding to that; you'll never get a dev job without an appropriate experience enjoying brain cell reduction through whiskey

@JimmyHoffa I have plenty of coffee. :D

user41796

@enderland Re-read my team player comment before you over-commit to that line of thought

user41796

3:50 PM

@JimmyHoffa thin the herd. kill off the weak cells.

@enderland IDK I've been told I interview well and all I do is take what they ask, ignore it, and answer something slightly similair about something I've done

user41796

And I could go for a glass of laphroaig right about now

@GlenH7 yeah, I think though more the starting with an affirmation of strength rather than allowing their skepticism to carry the interview would have been a good idea

part of the problem too is my current work is "technical" in a really lame way

"How would you solve X", "Well, previously I've solved a problem using technology G, which I think puts me in a good position to solve a problem like X, should I ever come across it"

@GlenH7 my bottle of bushmills grows light... I think I'll try something new when it's gone. Suggestions?

3:51 PM

@Ampt yah. except I never got that sort of question. :P

@JimmyHoffa Man, I need to get some more bushmills

so good

user41796

@JimmyHoffa region, price range?

user41796

irish, canadian, scottish, american, ... ?

@GlenH7 islay (or that flavor), <$50

@enderland "How do you feel about the color of the sky?", "Well, previously I've solved a problem using technology G, which I think puts me in a good position to know the color of the sky, should I ever come across it"

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3:52 PM

@JimmyHoffa gimme a moment

@Ampt return blue;

IDK, I feel that just throwing out information is better than trying to stay in their guidelines. They end up going back saying "Well, he didnt' exactly answer my question, but he did throw out at least 30 buzzwords...."

NOTE: This doesn't work on people who actually know shit

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I like Ardbeg and have heard good things of Caol Ila

user41796

IIRC, Ardbeg is pretty affordable and quite tasty

@enderland I'm just busting your balls, I probably would have failed hahaha

I've been lucky to have good interviewers who I've made a connection with

I've had some bad interviews that I've essentially blacked out too....

3:54 PM

@GlenH7 yeah, I've heard similar of Caol Ila. Ardbeg is one I've glanced over many times as being in the price I'm ok with but never know what I'll get.

Perhaps I'll just eeny meeny miny moe those two next time I'm there.

user41796

@Ampt Your corporate overlords have invested a lot in understanding and training on interviewing technique

@Ampt I think, if I went back and interviewed there again (with different people), I'd get an offer nearly 100% chance

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@JimmyHoffa I'm 95% certain Ardbeg is one of my more reasonably priced go-to scotches. And I just pulled their website - yes, that's one of my go-to's. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

@GlenH7 I've never been interviewed by my corporate overlords.

@enderland and that sucks. Do you want to talk about it?

@Ampt SCOTCH ?

user41796

3:56 PM

@Ampt Do they do interviews to roll onto a project? Or is that a lot more informal?

@GlenH7 hella informal.

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k. Good to know in case I ever go back down that road again. :-)

you're already in the company, so it's assumed you either A) Know what you're doing or B) can fake it

@GlenH7 our companies contracts don't actually really let us interview contractors, I think they mostly are written as "supply X people" type of things and the sourcing company picks

@enderland you're learning! :)

3:57 PM

@enderland it's all contract to contract

user41796

^^^ This

some places want to interview every person, face to face

others don't give a shit, as long as it's on time and within budget

and there are shades of grey everywhere in between

@GlenH7 if you're ever considering applying to my corporate overlords, give me a shout and I'll split the referral bonus with you

user41796

Will do

@Ampt how many? how many ?? Ouch. ugh. Yeck.

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Every now and then I get the wild fancy of returning to that life and hitting the road again

4:00 PM

@JimmyHoffa Math.SquareRoot(2500)

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From a financial perspective, it would likely make more sense to return to an old employer of mine. But I'm not really at a point to truly entertain that road anyway.

Honestly you'd probably be best sticking it on your own if you wanted to be a consultant

depends on how much you want to spend finding gigs and what you're depth of talent in one area is

but you would be a manager if you came into my org, which means that you're more PM than Consultant

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And I'd really rather stay on the technical side

Yeah. There's not a ton of opportunities in that area

if a team is large enough to need a technical manager, they're probably going to offshore it

and stick a consultant level person as the on-shore lead

#costsavings #itspracticallyfree #dontlettheclientreviewitbeforetheysignthecheck

user41796

I can patiently wait for the continued backlash of that approach to pull that model apart

user55340

4:12 PM

4

Q: How much is an idea worth?

Assume: Person A supplies an idea for an app. Person B builds the app. Question: In percentage terms, how much is the idea worth in the marketplace? What percentages should A and B receive, respectively? Clarification: Please don't respond with "It depends on what A and B agree...

Someone has an idea for the next facebook.

@GlenH7 indeed, but it could be fixed with a bit of editing and being more specific. Topicwise programmers is a better fit nonetheless. Whether it will be closed because it's too broad is a different question, although a good one. — konqi just now

4:41 PM

20 minutes! Mashup season!

4:52 PM

8 minutes.

MASHUP SEASON

mashup season?

Mashup Season?

user41796

@ThomasOwens Um, don't you mean Sector Battle!

@Ampt Jinx!

Pop Danthology 2015 is out.

It's the start of mashup season. Every year, Daniel Kim and DJ Earworm and a few others make their mashups of the top pop songs of the year.

5:04 PM

don't see the video anywhere

I saw it from his Facebook feed. Should be on YouTube and his site now.

lies

In fact, it's a two parter this year.

OMG. I'm surprised he went with the most obvious mashup ever.

I... uh... you're really into this. Please, educate me on mashups.

I love the year end pop mashups. It's all of the best songs from 2015, but...all at the same time.

Like mind explosion.

youtube.com/user/kimaginati0n should have all of the posts.

user41796

5:19 PM

TIL, Task<Stream> != Stream, <sigh>

lol. another one of my internal contacts is suggesting I apply for the SDET role instead of the software engineer role. not sure how I feel about this..

When you forget about your coffee cup, but you find it and it's still hot #FeelinGoodOnAWednesday

@Ampt #goodthermoses

it's just in a cup

...

user41796

5:21 PM

@Ampt sed s/Wedn/Tu/

lol I didn't even notice that. :\

@GlenH7 UUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

user41796

Sorry

This is literally 100% your fault

user41796

But I had that conversation with myself two or three times already today. :-(

user41796

5:22 PM

Too many (non-work) meetings this week to keep track of

user41796

5:46 PM

Shameless plug:

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0

Q: How to use DataContractJsonSerializer with auth token

I have a JSON text that looks like this: { "access_token":"really-long-string-here", "token_type":"bearer", "expires_in":1234567, "userName":"GlenH7@Foo.com", ".issued":"Mon, 09 Nov 2015 23:02:04 GMT", ".expires":"Mon, 23 Nov 2015 23:02:04 GMT" } and an AuthToken class ...

c# json datacontractserializer

user114359

Sigh. Read my comment, then the edit history:

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-1

Q: I have a stream of characters and need to match strings against it

A microcontroller is to expect commands via its UART in the format !command parameters The commands are short strings, such as reprogram. What would be an (both code space and CPU cycles) efficient algorithm for matching the byte stream to a concrete command? I have libc as a toolbox. In shor...

algorithms strings

user41796

@Snowman They got read of the crazy broad part, but didn't do anything to narrow the actual problem domain.

user41796

FWIW, I believe was the first to VTC as too broad.

user41796

5:52 PM

Neat trick: you can repeatedly read the content off an HttpResponseMessage

user41796

Quite useful when you need to read the content in two different ways

user114359

I have not had nearly enough whiskey or caffeine today, I am not sure which.

user114359

@GlenH7 you already have a dupe vote. The other question is about a null value, but it might be the same issue? I don't know enough about .NET.

user41796

@Snowman I checked; not related. I was bummed as I hoped it would work.

> Talk to the comment

user41796

6:04 PM

You'd think I'd get a sympathy upvote for stumping the dupe voter

@GlenH7 SO is so sparing with upvotes on non trivial answers

user41796

It really is...

user114359

@GlenH7 there you go. Don't spend it all in one place!

user41796

Woo!

user41796

6:29 PM

easy-peasy SO edit review

Asking about which site you should post your questions belongs on Meta Stack Exchange. Questions asking about the operation or functionality of StackOverflow belong on Meta Stack Overflow. However, questions about Visual Studio are on-topic here, as it is a tool commonly used by programmers. — Ken White 1 min ago

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