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Bob
5:01 PM
Hm, actually...
Curious what everyone else here used for backups (@allquixotic, @DragonLord, etc.)?
Already know @JourneymanGeek uses Veeam and it doesn't work on 10 :P
Veeam Endpoint Backup doesn't seem to do incrementals...
 
5:18 PM
@Bob File History and Windows System Images, plus Cobian Backup.
 
Bob
@DragonLord Ah, I'm avoiding the Windows ones. Had a rather bad experience with them in Win7
 
File History is stored on its own drive.
 
Bob
(device ID changed, which made system restore and all my backups inaccessible... which is pretty stupid)
 
@Bob I've successfully restored Windows system images from bare metal quite a few times.
 
Bob
Cobian Backup looks interesting. But it seems a tad more obscure than I'd like.
Currently using Acronis True Image 2014 but the 2015 version is terrible, so I'm avoiding that for now.
Yea, Cobian doesn't seem to do incrementals either.
@DragonLord I'm sure the full images work in some instances, but I certainly did not appreciate being told I had no backups available despite the directory clearly existing and taking up disk space.
That was file backups.
Full images are all well and good, but I can't really make them daily and my important files should have daily versions.
I'm going to consolidate most of the file backups (2012-2014) soon.
But I'd like to move away from Acronis if possible.
Alternatively, I could consider their (significantly more expensive) small business offering.
Interesting that True Image 2015 supports XP but not Vista: kb.acronis.com/content/49586 o.O
 
5:42 PM
@Bob Faith.
 
Bob
@allquixotic ...link? Google is being stupid
Oh.
Very funny.
-_-
 
WTF. when I try to reply to a message in Microsoft Edge, it puts the text I type first, then the reply message id
@Bob ROFL
I have to fucking press END every time I reply to a message? this is unacceptable
 
Bob
@allquixotic Check console for errors.
 
@Bob the only warning (no errors!) is DOM7011
 
Bob
Well, I don't actually have Win10 here so I can't test anything :P
Report a bug? Meta Stack Exchange
 
5:53 PM
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Q: Replying to a message in SE chat with Microsoft Edge puts cursor at start of textbox

allquixoticSteps to reproduce: Use Microsoft Edge on Windows 10 (I'm using RTM). Go to StackExchange chat. Specifically, I'm testing this in Super User's chatroom, Root Access. Make sure you're logged in and have >20 rep network-wide so you can talk. Hover over a chat message, then click the arrow on the ...

 
Bob
@allquixotic Version number of Edge please :P
 
done
 
Bob
@allquixotic I'm guessing that they're ua-detecting it as IE somehow
There's a setSelectionRange that works in FF, Chrome and IE9+
There's createTextRange for IE
I'm assuming the latter wouldn't work in Edge
...Edge's UA pretends to be Chrome
ohhhh boy
 
@Bob Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.135 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.10240
in what world could that be interpreted as IE?
 
Bob
@allquixotic Eh, I was just throwing a guess out there.
@allquixotic Try manually calling setSelectionRange on the textbox?
 
6:00 PM
we have Edge masquerading as Chrome masquerading as Safari masquerading as "KHTML, like Gecko" masquerading as Mozilla 5.0 O___O
 
Bob
@allquixotic try this
var text = document.getElementById('input');
text.setSelectionRange(text.value.length, text.value.length);
 
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Q: "Mozilla/5.0" and "like Gecko": Do web applications still test for Firefox-specific user agent strings?

DragonLordForgive me if this is the wrong site to ask this question; some similar questions were closed on Web Applications Stack Exchange, so I asked this question here. If necessary, feel free to migrate this question. Many current browsers identify themselves with user agent strings containing Mozill...

 
@Bob well I tried changing the UA to Firefox 38, then IE 11, using Fiddler, but no luck
Fiddler is capturing the traffic and changing the UA correctly but still no dice
 
Bob
@allquixotic Try the snippet above.
Does it move the cursor correctly?
Hmm... that's not what SEChat uses though - not directly anyway
something to do with jquery... or maybe not
minified code :\
 
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0
@Bob that does move it correctly
 
Bob
6:10 PM
@allquixotic yea, then they're probably doing something differently, or it's a timing issue
if it's a timing issue that's really weird
 
fudge factor fails
 
@Bob even UA of IE 9/Win7 doesn't help
 
Bob
@allquixotic ok, so they aren't doing UA-detection :)
 
Is edge the only browser supplied normal in win10 or is there also an old IE too?
 
so I've tried UAs of current Chrome, current IE, old IE, current Firefox, and nothing fixes it; so it isn't a browser identification issue
 
Bob
6:12 PM
@Psycogeek You can still access IE11, I believe
 
I believe chat DOES do UA detection, but it only shoves you different code if you're running very dreadfully old IE or Firefox
 
6:25 PM
superuser.com/questions/948493/… " I have done everything I can think of and everything ASUS has asked me to do and NOTHING WORKS" Oh yea that sounds like it would be easy to fix :-)
Looks like it might be one of them simple IDE/AHCI/RAID driver issues, and asus no help you fix that? they should know that. but it wouldnt be a actual hardware problem.
 
6:54 PM
Old article, but still relevant.
Optimization for AMD is legally impossible.
In addition, GameWorks provides marginal graphical advantage by using tessellation (where NVIDIA has an edge) extensively at a substantial performance cost on AMD GPUs.
> There’s a second reason to be dubious of Arkham Origins: it pulls the same tricks with tessellation that Nvidia has been playing since Fermi launched. One of the differences between AMD and Nvidia hardware is that Nvidia has a stronger tessellation engine. In most games, this doesn’t matter, but Nvidia has periodically backed games and benchmarks that include huge amounts of tessellation to no discernible purpose. Arkham Origins is one such title.
 
@DragonLord Catalyst Control Center lets you tweak the amount of tessellation on a per-game basis. You can set it to 2x or 4x instead of the insane default 64x and it'll run fine (and look fine, too).
 
This is the exact same conduct that got Intel in trouble. Intel was rigging its compiler (ICC) and benchmarks (BAPCo SYSmark) to favor its CPUs.
 
It'd be like Nvidia having an over-done Anti-Aliasing engine that can do 128x FSAA. 8x looks great to most people.
Witcher 3 perf with GameWorks on on my HD7970 is abysmal, until I set the tessellation to 4x.
 
Unless NVIDIA gets its act together, they're risking a lawsuit from AMD on grounds very similar to AMD's successful antitrust lawsuit against Intel.
> Pouring triangles into these surfaces can make them look subtly more realistic, but it’s also a cheap way to disadvantage a competitor. Deep performance inspection reveals that the R9 290X takes 30-40% more time in tessellation per frame than an equivalent Nvidia card.
> Nvidia’s GameWorks program is conceptually similar to what Intel pulled on AMD 8-10 years back. In that situation, Intel’s compilers refused to optimize code for AMD processors, even though AMD had paid Intel for the right to implement SSE, SSE2, and SSE3. The compiler would search for a CPU string rather than just the ability to execute the vectorized code, and if it detected AuthenticAMD instead of GenuineIntel, it refused to use the most advantageous optimizations.
This is the EXACT SAME PROBLEM.
5 mins ago, by DragonLord
This is the exact same conduct that got Intel in trouble. Intel was rigging its compiler (ICC) and benchmarks (BAPCo SYSmark) to favor its CPUs.
See the pattern?
Much newer article.
> ...the consequence of it is it brings PCs to their knees when it’s unnecessary. And if you look at Crysis 2 in particular, you see that they’re tessellating water that’s not visible to millions of triangles every frame, and they’re tessellating blocks of concrete – essentially large rectangular objects – and generating millions of triangles per frame which are useless.
 
@DragonLord On the other hand, AMD gave large amounts of their Mantle IP over to Khronos to include in Vulkan. My understanding is that they are going for a "clean" royalty-free, patent-free approach.
And their display sync technology is an open standard (FreeSync).
 
7:06 PM
@allquixotic AMD clearly wants to compete fairly. NVIDIA clearly does not.
NVIDIA is going to get sued.
 
Nvidia is an evil overlord. I've known this for years. Linus Torvalds has known this for years. It comes as no surprise. Unfortunately, gamers continue to support Nvidia and reward them for their bad behavior.
People just care about performance per dollar. When you perform cheap underhanded tactics like this, it's almost a foregone conclusion that you'll have better performance per dollar.
 
NVIDIA is abusing their technological superiority (under certain workloads) to artificially depress the performance of competing products.
 
@DragonLord Which, without the artifice, isn't that much of a superiority to begin with.
At the end of the day, both Nvidia and AMD are beholden to TSMC's 28nm fab process. The process has limits on how big dies can be, how small transistors can be, etc. that neither fabless GPU designer can influence. Thus, since they both put an insane amount of work into cramming more performance into the same process, it's logical to believe that the results will be very close.
If one company were using a more advanced fab, that'd be one thing. But that's simply not the case.
 
AMD has one major advantage and that is in video memory.
It's called HBM.
AMD is, and will continue to be, the first to get the latest memory technology.
 
Well, yeah, but HBM's problem right now is that it isn't being made in quantities expected of a monster GPU.
The top of the line only ships 4 GiB of it.
That's only 1 GiB more than my 3 year old card.
 
7:10 PM
AMD was first to get to HBM1. AMD now has priority on HBM2.
In any case, NVIDIA is playing unfairly and will very likely be sued.
NVIDIA should be afraid. AMD had won a lawsuit (obtained a settlement) against Intel on very similar grounds.
AMD has legal precedent on its side.
That could be enough for AMD to get a summary judgment against NVIDIA.
Note: Not a lawyer, just describing what is legally possible.
 
7:31 PM
I think I'll buy a Fury X just to spite Nvidia.
 
7:47 PM
I'm trying to recover a massive MySQL database, and this process generates directories that have >2M files. I accidentally did an ls -al on one of these directories. 5 minutes later I'm watching my bash prompt dutifully describing each file.
Ctrl-C won't kill it. What do I do?
 
Bob
@BryanGlazer Hit Ctrl-C a bit more and just wait.
(most likely the process is already dead and it's just going through the output buffer. depending on how long you left it, it'll take a while)
@allquixotic Unless you go send a message to tell them, that'll have basically no effect in the greater scheme.
While I don't doubt that major companies use underhanded tactics (do you really believe AMD is an exception? Just like Google is an exception, right, until they're not...), "no discernible purpose" sounds a bit hand-wavey.
Especially considering the amount of ridiculous (apparently-)unnecessary-in-hindsight crap commonly found in many programs across the board.
At the end of the day, as long as a company's purpose is to maximise value for shareholders they're going to pull whatever tricks they can. Legal or not. Ethical or not.
 
 
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9:45 PM
@Bob Ethical is one thing (some people would say this is just as grave as being illegal, but others feel differently). Legal is entirely another thing. Our society is built around the rule of law. It's the government's duty to repeatedly smack these companies over the head with severe fines and exorbitant legal costs until they'll stop trying to cheat to win. "Cheaters gonna cheat" is not good enough. We have to actually hurt them so badly that they STOP cheating.
We also need to hold executives and board members personally responsible for willingly allowing a company to do something illegal, and put them behind bars for participating in it.
Not for a week in an individual cell with nice facilities, either. In with the masses.
We need to bring these people down to earth, humble them, and make them comply with law. If that means putting a crook CEO behind bars for 5 years, do it. There is absolutely no justification for not doing so.
 
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