this reminds me, I should finish "can you lose this chess position"

And MartinBüttner has a random chess position golf too.

Is one minute enough? I'm not sure how big the search space is

brute force isn't a viable strategy

are the inputs going to be like normal chess positions or ones that are deliberately hard to reach?

not trivial but I think you can quickly set up a position with many moves with just putting everyone in place

there is a discipline of "retrograde analysis" about chess positions which are difficult to reach

maybe it would be better to use normal positions

then it would not be too hard

'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_game' seems to be what I asking

and you could score by choosing random games from a database

it is normal

> Inputs will be chosen from random positions of random low-level games.

I thought it said the inputs were fixed

"Random low-level games" is a pretty vague phrasing - where are you sourcing these from?

me vs computer

so no-one can search for it

but I can make CPU vs CPU at any given level

@feersum there will be 20 fixed of these positions for the porpuse of scoring

hi

The fact that somebody starred my message means that somebody's listening, but nobody replied.

I saw that.

@Doorknob I think your avatar is broken.

@PhiNotPi It's flowering!

Inspired by @Rainbolt's avatar. :P

(my avatar is also flowering)

One of my friends is currently ranting about how he hates Java.

What part of it?

All of it.

I'm currently ranting to my friends about who in their right mind sets a non-monospace font as default for <pre>/<code> elements.

A non-monospaced font?

Yes. Specifically, a sans-serif font. For code blocks!

aaarrrghghgeeioeiasdfwoi

Might as well use Papyrus or Comic Sans.

Comic Sans code block... terrifying

I don't study fonts very often :)

by

Today I figured out that "echo ^G" actually does make a noise on my computer.

^G being CTRL+G or ASCII code 7, the BEL character.

@MartinBüttner Can Retina do multiple consecutive replaces?

not yet :(

@Doorknob there are nice sans-serif monospaced fonts though

for example only the i and j of Inconsolata have serifs (to pad them to the normal letter width I guess)

:( damn

I did the refactoring the other day in preparation of that, but I still have to implement it

did you want to do the Finnish declination challenge? ;)

Ah k

I ended up doing it in Perl XD

Because it's the only thing I know that let me do what I wanted

hi all

I smell that CH is cooking something for today

anyone got any thoughts on meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/4818/9206 ?

CH?

should I actually provide links to the million long strings?

@Optimizer hi

Hi

are you a windows person?

I am a chair person

:)

windows are not my thing

ok

I don't know how to do head -c in windows

to get the first million characters of a file

using cmd ?

as I said

I prefer O(1) instead

but srsly, calling you "Calvin's" does not seem right

I think CH needs golfing down

Just 'C'?

That works. The best known should be a single letter, then the next best known can be 2, and so on

t, S, M, O, C, G, R, g, P

U

D

That could get confusing. "That C challenge was really tricky."

that never happens ,

does it ? :P

Yeah. We're going to have to rename that language

Yep

these are surprisingly easy to understand

even lower upper caps are easily distinguishable

r, R, G, g

U, u

@Optimizer Who's was the big G? We'd need like 4 types of D's.

who are other 3 D ?

Geobits is G

Dennis, DigitalT, DavidC. Maybe they aren't around that much these days.

Most popular - Doorknob

De, Di, Da

Dennis - inactive on chat

D Da De Di

Hi M

hello OCt

who ?

yo. no spaces ?

damn

this is cg right?

right

we need a ppcg version of this

don't get your hopes up yet... but... I just met balpha, and asked him whether the MathJax decision was final, seeing the negative feedback it got... and unless Jon Ericson has really strong feelings about keeping it deactivated, he'll turn it on.

Carrot

Lettuce

@M you met balpha IRL ?

@grc Tomato

@Optimizer you know pings don't work like that? :P

(and yes)

@MartinBüttner Dude, PPCG

call me O

and it actually, worked :P

@Optimizer no

you got notified

I didn't

not by a technical ping

but you got notified :P

(plus, you can't choose the name for message-specific replies)

thats cg too, 1 mouse stroke

"extended-editor-golf"

@M I'm sprouts I started this

@Calvin'sHobbies maybe it's because "Calvin's Hobbies" is not a name :P

and I refuse to call you Calvin :P

you are not even a person :P

I don't mind Calvin

but Calvin is your owner

@Optimizer Onion

its not there

Onion

Lettuce ?

Mushrooms

@Optimizer is P PhiNotPi or ProgramFOX?

who is more popular ?

so its P and Ph

Phi is φ

that is more than 1 byte

:( my fifty shades of grey answer has more upvotes than my procedural wall paint now...

Only 2 bytes, same as Ph

Does Golfscript have a log?

GolfLog ?

S you mean ed alternate ?

@Sp3000 I doubt it, without floating point support

I mean log base n log

:D

@MartinBüttner what about Peter?

base is too damn long

oh, lol

P Ph Pr

actually, when I read the list the first time, I thought of Peter

@MartinBüttner At least your best answer isn't completely trivial. (well actually...)

;)

no, it's just a shame that the answer which I think are actually the best, don't even appear on my profile when sorted by votes

Effort and votes are weakly correlated on PPCG.

yeah, the main problem being that effort usually takes too long to receive the necessary traffic via HNQ

wallpaint never made it onto the HNQ, and the buddhabrot submission for tweetable maths was posted like a day before it fell off the HNQ (after it's been there for a week or two)

@Calvin'sHobbies Corrected. Too used to counting newlines :P

Now I want to make a minimal prefix challenge with PPCG user names. It's probly too close to this though.

@Sp3000 have you tried the sierpinski challenge in ><>?

I thought about it, but I can't think of any good way

Basically I think any language without some sort of log function would have a fair bit more trouble

well you'd need to count how often you can divide by 3

:P true, maybe I should go do that then

Was hoping to beat Optimizer though somehow ;D

I'm trying to figure out how to do it in a language without auto-printing.

I'm currently trying with Mathematica's postfix notation

I think the line breaks are trouble though

I think I have a plan.

what language?

Perl. Or Java if I try hard enough.

@Calvin'sHobbies what about REPL environments?

Nah, I'm not going to try Java.

@MartinBüttner For sierpinski? No, only full programs

so I guess that also means I can ignore any REPL output I might generate "by accident"?

Not sure what you mean

Am I allowed to exit with an error?

@PhiNotPi No, I'd call that a loophole

Okay.

@Calvin'sHobbies like, Mathematica (and Matlab I guess), are basically always run in a REPL environment. you can load files, but no one really does that. so ending a line without semicolon is basically the same as calling Print[...] on that expression - it goes to the same output stream. but if you say no REPL, that means I cannot assume that every expression is printed automatically... but since that's the way the program will really be run, these outputs should be ignored I guess

same goes for J, I guess

@MartinBüttner I see. I guess i can make an exception for when the line between REPL and program is not totally clear. Answer it how you wanted to (or do the ignore repl thing) and if it causes a commotion I may explicitly allow REPL

yeah it's tricky sometimes with these languages

$_++;
if(not$_&$_-1){print log()/log 8;$_--}

I think this works....

JK, somebody already posted a Perl solution.

Is there a way to find out if question is a hnq without looking there?

no

I mean you could probably use the se api, but something simpler.

Like there should be a little icon on the question itself.

@Calvin'sHobbies even that sounds near impossible, since you'd have to recreate their exact query, and I don't think the per-site scaling and degrading values are public knowledge

@Calvin'sHobbies I believe there's a feature request for that on MSE

just check if it's written by Calvin :P

:D

Thanks g

finally found it

cat issues

what's a cat issue

cat in keyboard?

on

A single instance of Cat Fancy?

oh I see

a wild kitten playing with my keyboard

Kitten haz gif.

fuz.su/~fuz/gif/cat

☑ Productivity destroyed.

nah, you're not getting me with cats

the coffee this morning got me though... I don't usually drink coffee, and now I can't seem to focus on anything :D

hehe

But from a glance at my logs I see that I got about five other people.

I wish I could traverse the diagonal for Sierpinski. Then it would be linear :(

Todo: Write a script to inflate FUZxxl's ego by randomly browsing cat gifs.

@Geobits I love your new avatar. It's evil.

@Sp3000 Befunge 98 should be able to do that, right?

I found dogs!

Not sure, I never got any interpreters for 98 working on my computer :/

@Geobits Lets see if you find the other categories, too.

@FUZxxl I think I need to redraw it later. I've been told it has an eye-straining quality.

Should I bother looking for xxx-related folders? >_>

@Geobits No.

these gifs are all SFW, but some may be NSFL

Not Safe For Life?

@Sp3000 how would it be linear though?

@Geobits gore.

Ah, ok

I think mostly in fail

the progression of the number of holes on the diagonal is 2^n-1

Not Safe For Liver ?

Oh... it's not linear, is it :/

Damn

I guess if you eat gif, nothing is

hehe

Damn logs and their lack of existence in most esolangs

@Sp3000 base 2 is good though

might make it easier to figure out the depth by looking at the number of bits or something

Ahaha maybe... but still diagonal traversal is hard :/

@Geobits you got another.

Well if there's a fail....

How many am I looking for, anyway?

14 categories.

I'm not sure if you're going to find the others.

look at gon

Oh crap.

I like that one.

Yeah, me too.

Much better than cats.

hehe. Maybe I can get @MartinBüttner with that.

@MartinBüttner You should totally have made Big Band. I get the feeling Prelude would have had a decent chance considering the simultaneous execution and all :P

If only it had division/log/whatnot

Piqued peaks is especially nice.

indeed.

@Sp3000 some day...

:P