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user55340
6:00 PM
@JimmyHoffa meh... software, digital, systems... its a job title. I'd only worry if it was 'ninja' or 'samurai' as a modifier. Might also be distinguishing between hardware architects (we need to get the hardware) and maybe they actually have draftsmen on staff that draw blueprints for building things.
 
does not seem like a traditional "architect role"...
 
I ask because made-up buzzword titles are used often enough to try and make a job sound bigger than it is- so you may not be out of your league
 
@JimmyHoffa I'm thinking this may be the case
 
oooo @Ampt "digital" architect is architect over "digital design" which is what digital artists do... all the "user" stuff it mentions is regarding UX -> It's a web dev job
 
maaan... I thought I was gonna get a shot at skipping a few steps and going straight to architect hahahaha
 
6:02 PM
the "user" stuff refers to front-end so the "digital" must be a hold over from digital artists who don't like being called digital "artists" as it's a lot more than just art (true)
@Ampt it may be a high responsibility position, is the company small? That's often the case: Small company uses inflated titles to convince people to take on lots of responsibility and bust ass. Can be meat grinder, can be great for learning, definitely worth giving a look for you.
> [...] digital holistic experience [...]
That's just amazing
 
yeah if you were to search that string I put in here, you'd figure it out
 
ah, then it could just be a corporate internally made-up name, those are common just because large corps have their own internal vocabularies, nothing wrong there. May well be full on architect, still sounds very pretty-stuff-up position.
 
"stuff-up?"
 
user41796
@Ampt - I've heard really good things about working for that firm.
 
user41796
6:07 PM
I even considered applying there. Only aspect that held me back was the requisite move.
 
Well that's good to know.
 
user41796
@Ampt Random question - do you know of a good tutorial for brewing beer?
 
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Q: anyone know where good tutorials are for starting to brew lager

Aiden HannaI am currently brewing my own beer and its going good. For my next batch I want to make something like a Coors Light or even something that tastes like Fosters or Carlsberg. If anyone could help it would be much appreciated.

 
@GlenH7 ... What do you want to know?
We started with a little mr.beer kit and have moved up from there.
 
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Q: How to get started with brewing at home

RedShiftI'm wondering if someone could give some guidance on how I could go about starting up my own home brew. I have very little experience with brewing (I've only ever drunk beer), and I'd like to know the ins and outs of doing it at home. So these are basically my main questions: What guides/tutor...

 
user41796
6:09 PM
@MichaelT TY, didn't think they'd allow that type of a question so didn't think of that.
 
user41796
@Ampt Wanting to start with stouts. Worried that may be "too advanced" or whatever. But I don't know what constitutes an advanced brew vs. a simple one.
 
user55340
Its a beta site... they tend to be more of the "we want content" rather than "no more where to find tutorial questions"
 
@GlenH7 Ok, so theres a few options. you've got your malt kits, and you've got all-grain, and some stuff in between
if your end goal is to just make a stout and you want simple, you get a malt kit, and it comes with this malt syrup
pour it all in, bring it to a boil, add some hops, and ferment it
 
user41796
k, that seems easy enough
 
user41796
I wonder if my turkey frying pot is big enough to hold all that
 
6:12 PM
they are called extract kits
how many gallons is it?
and how much beer do you want to make?
 
user41796
@Ampt trying to figure that out
 
user41796
@Ampt as much as I can drink, obviously. :-)
 
@GlenH7 5 gallons is a pretty typical brew size for kits
 
user41796
I'd like to keep a brewer's sized keg or two around on a regular basis
 
that's ~2 cases (30 beers per case) of beer
the brewers kegs (half barrels) are not home brewing friendly
 
user41796
6:13 PM
@Ampt That's what I've heard. I figured I'd do a few kits to get an understanding and then move to a customized size later
 
user55340
(Bicyclists - you know you want it: growlercage.com )
 
everyone uses soda-kegs (5 gallons)
 
user55340
 
a half barrel is 15 gallons
 
user41796
@Ampt ok, I'm using the wrong terms then
 
user41796
6:14 PM
I mean a soda keg
 
ah ok. yeah, we have 2 and it's faaaaaaaantastic
pour the perfect amount of beer, every time
theres an extract kit for a stout
that's a rather expensive one
but you get the idea
 
@Ampt you look at that infographic I linked? Apparently "holistic" is a new buzzword in the front-end marketing circles, which is likely what they're hinting at
 
user41796
This is the one I was looking at: bacchus-barleycorn.com/catalog/…
 
user55340
> One part über boozy, three parts über geek, this one-of-a-kind imperial stout from masterminds Wil Wheaton, Greg Koch (Stone Brewing) and Drew Curtis (founder, Fark.com) has been likened to drinking the booze-soaked contents of an old-fashioned candy store
 
user41796
6:16 PM
@Ampt Nice. :-)
 
@GlenH7 yep, that looks fairly typical. super easy. just follow the directions
probably 2-3 hours from start to finished and cleaned up
once you've grown tired of that you move onto all-grain kits, which increases complexity by about 2x
if you skip bottling and move straight to kegging there's a stupid amount of time savings
 
user41796
That's what made the keg so appealing
 
it's just much, much more expensive
 
user41796
And that w00tstout looks tasty
 
plus you can only keep as many beers around as you have kegs
back when we were bottling we regularly had 4-6 varieties on hand at any one time
now we have 2 + whatever we're willing to bottle
 
user41796
6:18 PM
oh wow. Hadn't considered doing that
 
yep. your beer will age which means that you can leave it in bottles til it's good
with a keg... gotta drink it to get the next batch in
 
user41796
well, I was leaning against having lots on hand simply to avoid the aging issue
 
user41796
Or maybe I'll just have to have friends over more often
 
no aging is good
many, many beers get better with age
 
user41796
Sorry, I'm a victim of big brewery marketing
 
6:20 PM
we have a russian imperial stout in bottles right now for that exact purpose
 
user41796
that makes sense
 
user41796
Can you let it age in a carboy?
 
yep. but even stuff like an IPA get better over time
eh.. you can, and it's called a secondary
but we're talking months of aging
 
user55340
(how long before @Ampt and @GlenH7 put their woodworking skills to becoming coopers?)
 
user41796
sure, but I happen to have more carboys than I know what to do with since my dad has stopped brewing
 
6:21 PM
I've never left a beer in a carboy to age to be honest
I've always bottled it to do so
(or kegged it and drank slowly)
but that's the fun of it
you can do whatever the hell you want
and tell everyone who thinks your crazy to buzz off
 
user41796
@Ampt I like that aspect...
 
user41796
@MichaelT distilling whiskey is illegal in my state. :-(
 
we regularly use bread yeast (like the stuff you get at the grocery store) to brew, and have had a lot of success doing so. the guys on all the forums my dad frequents think we're nuts
 
user55340
@GlenH7 see, thats why you need to get a job at @Ampt's place.
 
user41796
@MichaelT duly noted. Moving is a bit of an issue right now though
 
6:23 PM
(as an aside, we've used that bread yeast to hit ABVs as high as 10% and still had it chugging away)
@MichaelT Distilling is illegal in wisco as far as I'm aware
also illegal in Illinois
 
user41796
@Ampt I like the part about soaking the oak chips in bourbon.
 
@GlenH7 the stuff you can do is endless. you could do them in the boil, you can throw them in the fermentor, you can even bottle them with oak chips in em
 
user55340
(trying to find the lyrics for "Copper Kettle" by David Roe now)
 
again, you can do whatever the hell you want
 
user41796
And I'm guessing I have a ~5 gal pot with the fryer.
 
6:27 PM
@GlenH7 you don't need 5 gals either
 
user55340
"Copper Kettle" (also known as "Get you a Copper Kettle", "In the pale moonlight") is a song composed by Albert Frank Beddoe and made popular by Joan Baez. Pete Seeger's account dates the song to 1946, mentioning its probable folk origin, while in a 1962 Time readers column A. F. Beddoe says that the song was written by him in 1953 as part of the folk opera Go Lightly, Stranger. The song praises the good aspects of moonshining as told to the listener by a man whose "daddy made whiskey, and granddaddy did too". The line "We ain't paid no whiskey tax since 1792" alludes to an unpopular tax imposed...
 
many have you do a boil with 3.5
and cut the final product with water
very typical
 
user41796
I know I can get a full box of peanut oil in the thing
 
plus it helps get you to pitching temp
other things we do that drive people nuts:
using snow instead of water to get to pitching temp faster
Not boiling our water before we add it to the fermenter
not re-activating our yeast for 15 minutes before we add it to the fermenter
 
user55340
(trying to find a rendition of that song that I like on Youtube... I really like the David Roe version...)
 
6:30 PM
@GlenH7 also, brewing can get smelly (I like the smell but others have complained
 
user55340
Well, an ok version:
 
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user41796
@Ampt snow is free water that's cold... :-)
 
@GlenH7 "but it's not sterile!!!111!!1!!1!11one!111"
 
user41796
I'd probably do the boiling part outside since I have a huge burner to go with the turkey fryer
 
6:32 PM
that's what we use. propane is king
 
user15026
@GlenH7 One of my friends used to have a basement apartment and every winter the snow would pile against the windows - he said they would stick all sorts of stuff out through the window to keep it cold :)
 
user41796
@Ampt True, but you don't need sterile, you just need clean.
 
@GlenH7 technically you need sterile. you're putting a bunch of yeast and sugar into a closed container
you don't want some other thing to come and eat the sugar and kill your yeast
you'll get a sour beer
you will have to sterilize a lot of things in boiling water
 
user55340
(incidentally, that song makes mention of whiskey tax and 1792...)
 
user55340
The Whiskey Rebellion, or Whiskey Insurrection, was a tax protest in the United States beginning in 1791, during the presidency of George Washington. The rebellion was provoked by the imposition of an excise tax on distilled spirits. Although the tax applied to all distilled spirits, whiskey was by far the most popular distilled beverage in 18th-century America so the excise became widely known as a "whiskey tax." The new excise was a part of treasury secretary Alexander Hamilton's program to fund war debt incurred during the Revolutionary War. The tax was resisted by farmers in the western frontier...
 
user41796
6:34 PM
@Ampt No starsan then?
 
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Side bit - I'm amused at the 'he brought the light' now days being "show your cellphones in flashlight mode" rather than "flick your lighter"
 
user15026
6:56 PM
Okay, I am revoking my claim to naming things - I am trying to name a blog and I have mostly just stared at the internet for a good while. Not sure if that is because I am sick today or what, but my brain just isn't coming up with anything. I am not witty enough for this.
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Everyone can use a little bit of help now and then
 
@AshleyNunn what is the blog about?
 
Google doodles are no longer interesting. There was a time when it was neat when you'd see one and be like "o hey, there's somethin' I don't see every day, wonder what this one is?" - but now you do see them every day...
 
user15026
I figure I might as well blog about all the crap I am learning in my attempt to get this A+ stuff locked away in my brain meat to make me even more hireable in the things I want to do.
 
@AshleyNunn maybe "plz send teh jobz"
 
6:59 PM
They totally shot themselves in the foot there. They shouldn't do another doodle for 6 months so next time they do one it will catch people off guard again
@AshleyNunn A+? Like IT certification?
 
@JimmyHoffa not only that, they have multiple doodles the same day in different reasons
 
user15026
@JimmyHoffa Mhm. Because that is step one in where I want to head, to prove that really, I can do tech-things without having to go to more school which is more money and so on.
 
@AshleyNunn "Abort, Retry, Lol?"
 
user15026
@JimmyHoffa Okay, that gets points for making me laugh.
 
user15026
7:01 PM
Mind you I have an array of tiny pissed off gravel eating frogs lodged in all my face-parts today, so I am finding things extra ridiculous
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Presumably you want a title / them that's going to outlast just the A+ cert stuff.
 
@AshleyNunn pissed off gravel eating frogs is a great blog name!
 
user15026
@JimmyHoffa I hated that screen. HATED IT. (I used to get it so often trying to play Fatty Bear's Birthday Surprise or whatever that was....frustrated tiny-me.)
 
user15026
@GlenH7 Yeah, that's the plan
 
user15026
@MattGiltaji Not sure it really goes with the content ;)
 
7:02 PM
@AshleyNunn of course, because floppies were so reliable...
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn But what does in the tech world? :-)
 
I'm actually kinda partial to what you just said above-> "Brain Meat"
 
@AshleyNunn i dunno about you, but I always yell crazy stuff at my computer when it doesn't work
 
seems like a fine blog name to me
 
user15026
@GlenH7 You have a very good point. I found a company today called Puppet Labs and I was sad it had nothing to do with puppets
 
user15026
7:03 PM
@MattGiltaji Oh, I mostly just curse in any language I know
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn I try to use languages that I'm pretty sure the folk around me don't speak
 
user41796
For example, I'll cuss in French or German as it's pretty rare for me to have fluent speakers around me.
 
@GlenH7 I was thinking like in Fortran or something
 
> GOTO HELL
 
user41796
@MattGiltaji Pfffft. No one understand that
 
7:06 PM
> String.IsNullOrDipshit([...])
 
When i resort to print line debugging , it starts out with a nice "got here", then gets more and more profanity laced the longer it takes to sort it out
 
@MattGiltaji I'm partial to arbitrary sounds: Arr, Gra, Bla, Pfleh, it rapidly turns into more random 3 letter combinations from there
 
user15026
I have named the blogthing. It is now called "Abort, Retry, Flail" because, well, flailing about is a thing I do both in the "what am I doing sense" and the "I am nuts so I stim off handflapping when I am happy"
 
haha win.
 
user15026
It amuses me, anyhow. :)
 
user41796
7:18 PM
Sounds like a good name
 
user15026
Now to see if the crap I post on it is any good :P
 
user15026
....dear Blogger, if I just made a blog, and thus it belongs to me, don't tell me you can't create it because the subdomain is gone! I HAVE IT.
 
user41796
Appears to already be in use, actually
 
@AshleyNunn it seems to me all the gooder blogs I bump into are on wordpress.com
 
user41796
 
7:22 PM
perhaps it's available there
 
user15026
@GlenH7 Yes, but not on Blogger, so that's all I care for at the moment
 
user15026
@JimmyHoffa I have it on Blogger, it's mine (if you go to it it has one of my older Gravatar images on it), but Blogger is kinda convinced it is not mine at the moment....
 
they're just being mean now
 
user15026
I know, right?
 
user15026
My brain is too foggy to figure this out :(
 
user55340
7:25 PM
@AshleyNunn Blog name: Foggy Brains
 
user15026
keeps it as a backup if Blogger doesn't start figuring out it's crap
 
user41796
Mushy, F0ggy, Brainz for the obligatory zombie references
 
user55340
btw, can we blame Canada for the snow in Buffalo?
 
user15026
@MichaelT I am not sure. We've gotten significantly less, and it all fell concurrently so it's not like we sent it.....
 
@AshleyNunn you're ignoring quantum entanglement
 
user55340
7:39 PM
Btw, think of all the fun that could have been had if that fell on Atlanta instead.
 
user15026
@MichaelT They'd never have survived
 
user15026
I remember what happened when they had what they called a storm last yearr, its ;ike what we get normally in a regular snowfall, but they aren't prepared!
 
How useful would a trial to Codility be to a job seeker?
 
user41796
Consistency is over-rated. Tagname vs. TagName in two separate classes.
 
@GlenH7 Someone needs a better IDE.
 
7:52 PM
Good night guys!
 
Good night. Sleep tight.
Don't forget to set your alarm.
 
:P
 
user41796
@RobertHarvey Classes were developed by different developers...
 
Someone forgot to read the shop's coding standard.
 
user41796
Of course, had they been consistent, I could have created a single comparison method that took templates instead of having to create two separate methods
 
user41796
7:54 PM
And the Codility thing seems to be targeted towards the employer, not the job seeker. But maybe I misread that.
 
user15026
Are blog intro posts still a thing that is done or can I just like start rambling about junk?
 
user15026
@GlenH7 That's the impression I got as well
 
Can I make a question to the users chat?
 
Don't ask if you can ask, just ask.
Whether you get an answer or not is a different matter.
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn "Yes!"
 
7:55 PM
Ok, thanks! Really I have 2 but well.
 
user41796
Sorry, the quota is 2 and you used up your first question with asking if you could ask... :-)
 
user15026
@GlenH7 Thank you for that extremely enlightening response. Just for that I am eating all the cupcakes.
 
user41796
@AshleyNunn Damn that's polar vortex cold...
 
It's about SOLID principles and class names. I have a class that deals with a business requirement. It downloads from internet a rss channel. My class is named like this: "RssChannelDownloader.java" But, result of apply SRP, I have 2 derivated classes: NetworkResourceDownloader and RssDocumentParser.
 
@AshleyNunn I like blog posts that tell me in the first paragraph why I should continue reading. Beyond that, my pet peeve is corporate websites that I can't figure out their reason for existence, or what their product is. So yes, intro, but get to the point quickly.
 
7:58 PM
Like the 2 last helper class, helps to RssChannelDownloader, should I put this classes in a folder like the name "helpers"?
 
user15026
@RobertHarvey Awesome, that helps
 

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