TeX, LaTeX and Friends

Adam Liter

12:24 AM

@PauloCereda Thanks! Hopefully I'll bump into @SeanAllred in the chat room sometime soon, then.

Paulo Cereda

@AdamLiter It would be awesome to have a section on emacs in the new manual. :)

David Carlisle

\section{emacs}
If you use emacs you have the awesome power of emacs lisp
available so don't need the paltry efforts of java to emulate
a real programming language.
% end section

@PauloCereda there^^

Adam Liter

@PauloCereda I hope that's a hint directed at Sean and not me ... I'm just starting to use Emacs and really have no idea what I'm doing. :)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :(

Adam Liter

@DavidCarlisle Hahah!

David Carlisle

12:32 AM

@PauloCereda is the manual on github, do I have write access?

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle You are so mean. :(

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda just wait till Sunday to find out what real meanness is like

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle o.O

David Carlisle

12:55 AM

@PauloCereda see the trouble ducks cause bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-30104871

cfr

1:22 AM

Is there a better site to ask questions about the nature of the epub format?

Adam Liter

3:29 AM

@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda @SeanAllred For the record, the lisp code that @egreg linked to worked to setup a way to run arara inside emacs, at least once I upgraded my version of AUCTeX. I had an outdated version on my system.

Werner

3:42 AM

Does anyone have an idea what's going on with this?

Yes, when I compile your code in TexStudio I get the error ** WARNING ** Couldn't open font map file "kanjix.map". — EthanAlvaree 37 mins ago

Sean Allred

5:16 AM

@AdamLiter ah, lisp – a universal language

@PauloCereda I said this on twitter because I was on my phone, but I do have a branch of arara that includes an emacs section in the manual

will need to merge with upstream though

been very busy :(

@AdamLiter This is my TeX config github.com/vermiculus/dotfiles/blob/use-package/.emacs.d/…

Adam Liter

5:50 AM

@SeanAllred Thanks for the link! I'll take a look at it over the next few days and see if I can decipher what's going on. I'm just starting out with Emacs, and I can't say that I enjoy trying to read lisp that much so far ... :)

Good night everyone!

Paulo Cereda

8:22 AM

@SeanAllred Yay! Thanks for the help! :) No worries, take your time, I'm also in a hurry.

Johannes_B

@Iplodman @PauloCereda And that's why they use it in the GoPro spots.

Joseph Wright

8:55 AM

@PauloCereda Re: UK-TUG Talk next week. Looking at our outline timetable, will 1100GMT be OK?

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Just a minute, I need to do some sums. :)

egreg

9:22 AM

@Werner Outdated TeX Live

Paulo Cereda

9:37 AM

@JosephWright: ^^

John Cleese dressed as a lady is always epic. :)

Johannes_B

9:55 AM

@JosephWright

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A: How do I find out what fonts are used in a document/picture?

ASn-ÿm\imkv{Xw - ae-bmfw aoUnbw (mKw -1 & 2) 1 2</li> <li>ASn-ÿm\imkv{Xw - Cw•ojv aoUnbw (<code>mKw -1 & 2) 1 2 <ol start="20"> <li>ASn-ÿm\imkv{Xw - Xangv aoUnbw (</code>mKw -1 & 2) 1 2</li> </ol></li> <li>ASn-ÿm\imkv{Xw - I∂S aoUnbw (mKw -1 & 2) 1 2 kmaq-ly-imkv{Xw - ae-...

Joseph Wright

@Johannes_B Zapped

Johannes_B

@JosephWright Thanks

Paulo Cereda

1:03 PM

Quiet today. :)

tohecz

1:27 PM

@PauloCereda everyone is preparing for Sunday

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Oh no!

tohecz

:p

Iplodman

3:01 PM

@Johannes_B True!

hhh

Is there some command to add the university label to the front page under \maketitle?

I could use a custom design but I would not like to reinvent the wheel...

Iplodman

39

Q: Where to put the institute information in the article document class?

I've seen in other document classes that one can input the authors' institutes via special commands, for example in revtex4 I can put \title{Aggregation According to Classical Kinetics---From Nucleation to Coarsening} \author{Yossi Farjoun} \email{yfarjoun@math.mit.edu} \thanks{Corresponding au...

Torbjørn T.

@hhh Quick hack: place the \includegraphics in the \date.

hhh

But it should be in the upper top corner or? I mean the logo, I have no idea about specifications.

Torbjørn T.

@hhh If there are no specifications, do what you like. We cannot know what NTNU wants.

hhh

3:08 PM

or my professor, it is just a course. I will go with easiest way without much refactoring -- in more serious course, specification should be given :)

How can I create many newlines to the date field? When I try to do it with "Logo // // // \today", it fires errs.

Paulo Cereda

@hhh What is //?

hhh

err \\, newline :)

StrongBad

Is installing a font locally as hard as tex.stackexchange.com/questions/88423/manual-font-installation makes it sound or has anything changed in the past few years?

Torbjørn T.

@hhh Try logo \\[3cm] \today.

hhh

3:27 PM

Ok thank you, I decided to go with the custom master thesis template of my uni so no need to redesign everything and guess values -- funny that there is no command directly somehow tied to the maketitle....anyway thank you for helping and always trying to go with the simplest/most-elegant way :)

Andrew Cashner

@StrongBad What kind of font? (.ttf, .otf, etc.?) And what engine do you use to compile?

StrongBad

@AndrewCashner Originally an otf font that I converted. I use pdflatex.

The font conversion is not the problem, it is automating the installation.

Johannes_B

@hhh If you want to know more about how to customize a titlepage -> tex.stackexchange.com/questions/209993/…

@StrongBad Why going through all the trouble? XeLaTeX and LuaLaTeX can handle otf fonts and have some other nice stuff.

tohecz

@StrongBad yes, it is. Use LuaLaTeX.

StrongBad

@Johannes_B probably because I am old fashion.

Andrew Cashner

3:36 PM

@StrongBad To me one chief advantage of using pdflatex and sticking to the distributed font packages is that everything is self-contained and reproducible on other machines. Once you start customizing fonts you might as well use a system that is designed to do that.

@StrongBad You can use LuaLaTeX with almost no changes to your source code; handling a new font is easy, though compilation is much slower.

tohecz

@StrongBad so am I, but then I know I can't use my own fonts. Actually, one thing you can always do is to put all the font files (TFM, PK, WTF, OMG, ...) in the folder in which you work

StrongBad

@tohecz which is what I have been doing. It is just a bit messy. What I really want is to be able to put them in a separate folder that is on the TEXINPUTS path

@AndrewCashner but if I keep the font with the source then it is still relatively self-contained

hhh

Thank you, I tried to gather information suggested so far to one place so they do not get lost -- it will probably become useful in the future when needing to remix some new title page :)

http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/213106/how-to-customise-the-title-page-of-a-professional-writing-with-logo

Andrew Cashner

@StrongBad I see your point - that makes sense.

tohecz

@StrongBad that's not going to work like this out-of-the-box

I would really recommend building your own texmf-local with the proper directory structure as suggested in the answer. It's not so complicated and can be easily scripted.

StrongBad

3:42 PM

@tohecz that is what I am planning on. I am hoping to move the script to a TeXLive package of some sort. I am not sure if you can build a local TeXLive package that you can then install with tlmgr

Andrew Cashner

@StrongBad If you make a .sty file and put in (e.g.) ~/texmf/tex/latex/local there is no need to install. (Or rather, that is how you install it.) Is that what you mean?

tohecz

@StrongBad not really. The standard way to go is to make an archive that follows the proper directory structure. You then simply copy the archive into texmf-local and unpack it

StrongBad

@AndrewCashner No I want other people in my group to be able to do something like tlmgr --file myfont

Andrew Cashner

@StrongBad Got it.

StrongBad

@tohecz I just asked on the main board

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Q: How to create a a package that can be installed by tlmgr?

I want to be able to use a proprietary font on a number of Linux machines for which TeXLive is installed locally (not through the package manager). I have followed How do I use TrueType Fonts with PDFTeX using otftotfm? and have my proprietary font working with pdflatex when all the files (map, e...

texlive installing package-writing

percusse

3:48 PM

@StrongBad Did you check the license of tlmgr?

You might not be allowed to od that.

Joseph Wright

@percusse License can't affect what you do locally in that sense

StrongBad

@percusse I would assume you cannot get it added as an official package.

Joseph Wright

@StrongBad You'll need a local database file: I suspect his is going to be more effort than it's worth!

@StrongBad Not in TL: TLContrib could take the 'free' part put not the fonts themselves

percusse

@JosephWright But then you don't need tlmgr for that

StrongBad

@JosephWright I am sure it is going to be, but it is better than marking.

percusse

3:51 PM

@StrongBad Why not cooking up a custom script that copies all the files in the correct place?

Joseph Wright

@percusse Yes but tlmgr reads a database file then packages: you can feed it a different database irrespective of the license

Johannes_B

@percusse I just wanted to suggest the same. Seems much more user friendly.

Joseph Wright

@percusse In the same way you could use apt to install a proprietary package for Linux

percusse

@JosephWright You are distributing to other users.

StrongBad

@percusse because tlmgr handles installation, removal, clashes, etc and more importantly users know how to use tlmgr.

Joseph Wright

3:52 PM

@percusse That's restricted not by tlmgr but by who you are allowed to distribute the code too

Johannes_B

@StrongBad If there are clashes, it is your problem as the package author ;-)

percusse

@JosephWright They removed acrotex because of this no?

StrongBad

@JosephWright but you do not want to use apt to install things into /usr/local where my TeXLive lives

percusse

@StrongBad Over time, I'm more convinced that you should rely on users' abilities rather than ignorance. That's actually Linux vs. Microsoft way.

Johannes_B

@StrongBad You can make a script called installfontpackage that copies the files (or unpackes) them into the local texmf-tree, which should be in everyones homdir. Not even the need to use sudo.

Joseph Wright

3:54 PM

@percusse Yes but that's from the general distribution: you could use tlmgr with a suitable database etc. to install it. The license affects what the TL team are willing to have in TeX Live not what you can then add on. See the TLcontrib alternative installation source, for example.

percusse

Compare I couldn't locate a font file vs. Contact your administrator

Johannes_B

@JosephWright @StrongBad @percusse Maybe the question is misleading here. He does not want to get a TeXLive package, but a (local) LaTeX package.

percusse

@JosephWright For yourself I totally agree. But you are using tlmgr to distribute propriatery stuff to other, is that also allowed?

Otherwise acrotex was also for yourself. I don't get why they removed it then

Paulo Cereda

After 20 pages of logs, I think I finally found a bug in one of my codes. Phew!

Moral of story: don't write code.

percusse

@PauloCereda Or put the bugs in the first page

Paulo Cereda

4:01 PM

@percusse ooh that's genius! <3

percusse

@PauloCereda Here is a CS question; if I have a class A which has two parent classes B1,B2 which are both a subclass of C and Python does bottom up left to right search; I referred to an attribute that is defined on B2. Does it find it?

left to right wins over bottom to top?

I think I have a reference problem that sometimes shows up sometimes doesn't

David Carlisle

4:24 PM

@StrongBad not TEXINPUTS (that's for tex) just put them in tds layout under a file that is your TEXMFHOME then tfm, otf, .sty etc paths will all just work

Joseph Wright

@percusse They won't include anything in TL that can't be used without proprietary software. In the acroread case, the code itself is free but it's only useful if the resulting PDFs are viewed using Adobe Reader.

@percusse Same for support for non-free fonts: the support files are free but as the fonts are not they won't include them

percusse

@JosephWright Yes but I am using the end product which is the PDF file in my own acroread. How can they reach out to what I am using after I'm done with TeX part. I should be able to choose whatever I use to view the PDF which is out of TL jurisdiction then no?

Joseph Wright

@percusse Yes, you can of course

percusse

But then why do TL maintainers care?

Joseph Wright

@percusse The features enabled by acroread are (currently) only usable with Adobe Reader, that's the issue

@percusse Philosophy: they want to support/encourage open source working

@percusse There was some discussion about media9 as Adobe Reader is one of the few PDF viewers that works well with video in PDFs, but luckily there is one other (free) viewer that also works (I believe)

percusse

4:30 PM

@JosephWright Probably you understand better and I don't see it. But it really sounds like a dopey argument to ban something to encourage another.

Joseph Wright

@percusse They are volunteers and have a position: that's their decision

percusse

@JosephWright If there is another viewer that can render JS then will they put it back would be my last question.

Joseph Wright

@percusse The idea is that if you support things that are proprietary people will never work them out in OS software

@percusse Yes, that's correct: happened with media9 (got removed, demo was found using a free viewer, got reinstated)

percusse

@JosephWright Their own existence is a counterexample for that but nevermind I'm already confused with all flavors of licenses.

Joseph Wright

@percusse I'm not saying I'd take this approach, just that this is what it is

percusse

4:34 PM

@JosephWright Yes I understand. IT's tough to maintain stuff. Can't expect always the right way.

Joseph Wright

@percusse Coming back to the point here, this license business affects what will be added to TL but not what tlmgr can be used to install. The TLconcrib system exists in part to allow tlmgr to be used easily to install stuff that the main TL system won't take for license reasons.

percusse

@JosephWright Now isn't this really saying no with one hand but taking it in with the other? :)

Joseph Wright

@percusse Run by different people

percusse

@JosephWright Ah is that so? Then I take it all back

Joseph Wright

@percusse You can always point tlmgr to any source you like, which can be an alternative server, a local server, ...

percusse

4:37 PM

Wrong assumption

Paulo Cereda

5:03 PM

@percusse It highly depends on the underlying language. :)

Hold on.

Andrew Cashner

Is there any way aside from expl3 to define a command whose argument determines the number of arguments that will be input to another command?

E.g., \makelist{5} which produces \newcommand{\list}[5]{#1#2#3#4#5}

This is coming from tex.stackexchange.com/questions/213102/processing-list-of-list

StrongBad

5:21 PM

@DavidCarlisle What about the updmap-sys and texhashstuff? Don't I have to run that even if stuff is in TEXMFHOME?

David Carlisle

@StrongBad no, oh you may need to update the map files, depending but normally (unless you changed it) the home tds tree is set not to require pre indexing

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle Is tug.org/fonts/fontinstall-personal.html out of date then?

David Carlisle

@StrongBad nah it just means my no was only about texhash as I was commenting while you were posting:-) (but really if you are trying to add non standard non tex fonts using luatex or xetex is so much easier. You don't need tfm or map files or anything, just install the fonts in your system and use them.

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle so if I install them into TEXMGHOME I would still need udpmap and that would break future updates of fonts.

@Johannes_B I don't think this works since the texmf-tree in my home would require the user to run updmap which will break things.

David Carlisle

@StrongBad break? (not that I have ever run udpmap by hand, last time I installed a font other than tehe ones that came from the tex distribution, you had to edit the map files by hand:-)

Andrew Cashner

5:32 PM

@StrongBad It seems like most computer users have installed a system font before, so asking them to do that would be less trouble. Wouldn't it be easier to ask them to do that and then use a TeX engine that can use the system font?

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle The page says that after you use updmap (and not updmap-sys) future fonts installed by tlmgr will not have their map entries installed.

David Carlisle

@StrongBad if it's under ~ the assumption is that just you use it (and need write access) if you are installing for multiple users you should have a site local tds tree somewhere

Johannes_B

@StrongBad To be honest, i switched to luatex a while back and never looked back. It might be slower (yes, it is) but there usually is a switch in my files (if pdflatex is running, just use lm).

Andrew Cashner

@StrongBad Or couldn't you just bundle the .otf file (assuming it's legally free to distribute) with your package and then use an engine that knows how to read it?

StrongBad

@Johannes_B My use case is not for myself. I want to distribute a a document class of my university's letterhead that will use our mandated font. I then want people to be able to use whatever engine they want.

@AndrewCashner Yes, I could go that way, but I think the class/package would be more useful if it was engine agnostic.

Johannes_B

5:35 PM

@StrongBad Using the old fonts is a pain in the Smurf with LuaTeX. The same humble bumble is going on at our university.

But, what the Smurf do i care? The day i use Futura as the main font is the day Knuth uses Word.

Andrew Cashner

@StrongBad you could make a PDF of part of the letterhead with the needed font embedded and then include it in your letterhead design. That way you could still scale the letterhead for papersize but you would get the letterhead font with no installation.

StrongBad

@AndrewCashner No, we have a mandated typeface for the entire body.

Johannes_B

@StrongBad The whole bunch is distributed in an archive (tds ready), you can tell tlmgr to use this archive as a local mirror (or what it is called).

David Carlisle

@StrongBad tell them not to be silly? There was a time that theses didn't have font requirements and people used typewriters. they still managed to pass (my thesis was done on an ibm golfball typewriter for example) why have universities introduced this kind of nonsense?

StrongBad

@Johannes_B This sounds promising. Is it really as easy as making a tarball with the TDS format?

Johannes_B

5:39 PM

@StrongBad Just checking, i am not the maintainer.

Andrew Cashner

@DavidCarlisle Amen.

StrongBad

@DavidCarlisle There response is that they provide Word and PowerPoint templates and we should be happy with that.

David Carlisle

@StrongBad tell them not to be silly:-)

Johannes_B

@StrongBad From the doc: Unpack the tar; open terminal and type tlmgr --repository=PATH\to\folder install <package-name>

Andrew Cashner

@StrongBad Is your goal to make the new requirement achievable by users already familiar with LaTeX and therefore unlikely to switch engines or use Word/PPT?

@StrongBad Because if the goal is to open up LaTeX to Word users, the more recent engines might be more friendly, since right away they will want to use system fonts.

Johannes_B

5:45 PM

@StrongBad Btw, just for fun. You said the fonts are non free. As you are going to distribute the fonts with the package, who is the license owner? Or in other words, who pays for the fonts/licences? Please ask the university how it works.

Andrew Cashner

@StrongBad I will stop bugging you--it sounds like you know what you are after and I wish you luck. Or that the university stop being silly.

Good day everyone. Time to lead a choir rehearsal.

StrongBad

@Johannes_B the university has a site license for the font. I cannot distribute the package outside the university. This means I cannot add the package to CTAN, which causes some of the difficulties.

@AndrewCashner Make it achievable for current users of LaTeX without having to switch engines. I just want them to have to change the document class.

Johannes_B

@StrongBad Same here, you need to download the archive using VPN.

StrongBad

@Johannes_B that sounds pretty easy.

Johannes_B

@StrongBad The hardest part is getting VPN to work ;-)

@StrongBad There are also deb files for the guys that installed texlive using the version in the debian reps.

StrongBad

5:53 PM

@Johannes_B that is the idea. I just need to find the documentation about how to make the tarball.

Johannes_B

@StrongBad Find out where the types of files are in your distribution; how the tds (tex dir structure) is, mkdir all folders, place the files where they belong and tar the whole thing.

@StrongBad ctan.org/pkg/latex-tds

1010011010

7:00 PM

Hey, I want the last line of my paragraph to be left and right justified, just like the rest of my paragraph is. (This would produce a rectangular paragraph in the end.) This probably requires a change in the output routine. I've not yet found question similar to what I want to do. Does anyone know of a such question (with an answer), or should I just go ahead and post the question. I think this could be very interesting from a typographical point of view.

tohecz

@1010011010 no change to the output routine, that one is for page breaking, that long after paragraph braking (which happens at \par or the empty line which terminates the paragraph). You want \setlength{\parfillskip}{0pt}, but I tell you that it's not a good idea.

1010011010

@tohecz Based on what?

tohecz

@1010011010 what do you mean?

1010011010

@tohecz "... but I tell you that it's not a good idea."

tohecz

@1010011010 what if a 6-line paragraph gets only 2 words on the last line? You end up with a very ugly thing.

1010011010

7:09 PM

@tohecz I'm fine with textual rewriting. I'm a perfectionist anyway so hardly anything changes.

tohecz

@1010011010 well, do as you wish then :)

Paulo Cereda

I'm practicing for my interview. Who are you? I am a Brazilian geek guy fan of ducks with an online uptime more reliable than Google itself. I usually have too much blood running in my caffeine system, and it's believed that I am Pringles-powered. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda "I usually have too much blood running in my caffeine system" ROFL

1010011010

@tohecz Rectangular paragraphs aren't exactly rectangular if a cookie monster ate a word or two off the last line, am I right? :-)

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz <3

tohecz

7:12 PM

@1010011010 probably. \everypar\ignorecookiemonster

1010011010

\ignorecookiemonster <to be read again> ... missing cookie inserted.
?

tohecz

@PauloCereda I've had only 4 espressos today

Paulo Cereda

7:29 PM

@tohecz Oh my!

tohecz

@PauloCereda anything's wrong?

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Nah, you need more coffee. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda I think so

David Carlisle

8:04 PM

@tohecz \everypar requires an explicit }

Christian Hupfer

8:24 PM

Good maen

Paulo Cereda

8:37 PM

@ChristianHupfer 'lo!

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Short answer you made, mmh!

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer me?

:)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: You I meant...

Decided I have like Yoda I will write night this :D

David Carlisle

It's not my fault:-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/213088/…

Paulo Cereda

9:00 PM

@DavidCarlisle You broke it? :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda of course not. I suspect same person wrote that bit of both packages

percusse

@1010011010 Rephrase your paragraph instead. It's your OCD having a underfull box warning. :P It's perfectly normal to have a last line that doesn't fill the line

I had the same problem with the About the author page in my thesis. It took me half a day to write something that is rectangular Next to my picture.

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B: Hallo nach Freiberg sende

1010011010

9:27 PM

@percusse It's about the aesthetics. I want the last line to have the same justification as the rest of the paragraph.

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer @cfr is probably quibbling about your english grammar (but the commes in the OPs question probably aren't the right place for that)

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: Is your '\color{white} in the preamble' comment addressed to me or to the OP? ;-)

percusse

@1010011010 If you don't enough words, what you are describing is MS Word ugliness

Try it on Word and you'll see

David Carlisle

@1010011010 but that's a bad aesthetic

1010011010

@percusse Spending half a day on a paragraph doesn't bother me.

David Carlisle

9:29 PM

@ChristianHupfer myself, mostly

1010011010

@DavidCarlisle I laughed.

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: I am German... so my use of English grammar is most likely, say, ... rotten, sorry about that ;-)

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer it's a form many english people would use too but in "you nearly accepted" the "nearly" apples (or can be read as applying to) the person, so "you nearly accepted 3 answers" means you thought about accepting 3 answers "you accepted nearly 3 answers" means you did accept some answers, the number being about 3

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: If I translate 'nearly' into German, it means 'nahezu', which could have the 'negative' meaning of 'hardly' or 'basically none'... I had 'nahezu' in my mind and used the wrong word (and grammar ;-))

David Carlisle

@ChristianHupfer I don't know how anyone learns english, it's the most stupid, inconsistent, language, really:-)

tohecz

9:41 PM

I just gave myself a huge facepalm for debugging an obvious thing for like 12 hours :(

Christian Hupfer

@DavidCarlisle: It's the language of Shakespeare, Keats, Austen, Whitman (ok, the later one is an American, of course... well, he was one ;-))

percusse

@DavidCarlisle It's like wearing a tuxedo. Everybody wonders who on Earth really came up with that nonsense. But you have to to get in :)

Paulo Cereda

9:58 PM

@percusse The tuxedo society. :)

percusse

@PauloCereda Oh by the way i didn't mean to say english is nonsense. It's just you have to learn it :)

cfr

@ChristianHupfer Just shows that great writing doesn't prove a language isn't entirely dotty. You only have to look in a (English) dictionary to see how entirely insane it is!

Paulo Cereda

@percusse I is trying to learnt it's.

cfr

@PauloCereda It's its eccentricities which are its downfall...

Paulo Cereda

@cfr Portuguese is also a complicated language IMHO. :)

cfr

10:05 PM

@PauloCereda Yes, I've heard terrible things about Portuguese. That is, terrible things about it insofar as learners are concerned - not terrible things about what it gets up to in dark alleys after midnight.

Paulo Cereda

@cfr :)

cfr

Welsh, of course, is a model of sanity...

Except for the treigladau...

Christian Hupfer

@cfr: Take a look into a German dictionary and you go mad about the different spellings/meanings and the German uppercase nouns etc. ... Any language has it's weird features...

@cfr: Are you Welsh?

Paulo Cereda

@cfr Dw i ddim yn deall! :)

I like Cockney rhyming slang. :)

cfr

@PauloCereda treigladau? mutations...

Paulo Cereda

10:07 PM

@cfr :)

cfr

@ChristianHupfer Cymraes ydw i - yes.

Paulo Cereda

I'd love to see arara "translated" to Welsh. :)

@ChristianHupfer: This one is priceless: Mae fy hofrenfad yn llawn llyswennod

:)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: No, it reads: Paulo will stop to use vim and use the most proper editor: EMACS

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer All caps, so unkind. :)

cfr

@PauloCereda Really? Is there much to translate? All it seems to say is 'failed' or 'success'. (Not a criticism of it as a tool - it is just on the reserved side, as tools go.)

Christian Hupfer

10:08 PM

@cfr: Well, the first man from Wales I 'meet' ;-)

cfr

@ChristianHupfer Afraid not.

Paulo Cereda

@cfr There's the log. :) And in the upcoming version, the bird becomes more verbose. And I managed to fix a lot of annoyances before @AdamLiter and company decides to kill the author. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Ok, emacs.... eight megabytes are continously swapping ;-)

Paulo Cereda

Suddenly, awkward silence.

cfr

@PauloCereda Something I said?

Paulo Cereda

10:15 PM

@cfr No, not at all, don't worry! :) I meant in general.

We were all talkative, then... silence. :)

@percusse: sir, we need noise.

percusse

►

Paulo Cereda

@percusse Thank you! :)

Oh boy, that reminds me of a story. :)

I have two USB sticks: a blue and a red one. The blue one contains calm songs. The red one is full of hard, very hard rock (Pantera, Sepultura, etc).

A friend once asked me one of the sticks for him to listen to in the car. He grabbed the red one by accident.

It was a good experience. :) At least no car speakers were severely damaged. :)

tohecz

23:20, program debugged. Time to go home

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Good job Tom! :) Have an excellent night, you deserve it. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda yep, I think so. However, I yet need to survive the bike ride :)

Paulo Cereda

10:21 PM

@cfr: This time you ran away, but we will get you for the next interview. :)

tohecz

@PauloCereda :)

ok, so good night everybody

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Oh no, don't mention bikes. :(

@tohecz Night night, Tom!

egreg

Back from a concert: “The art of fugue” orchestrated by some Hermann Scherchen. Which proves that these so-called modern composers, when given some music, don't know what to do with it. :(

tohecz

@PauloCereda why? what's wrong?

Paulo Cereda

@tohecz Long story short: Santa brought me the wrong bike for X-mas and I cannot get the proper one. :(

@egreg Oh no!

tohecz

10:23 PM

@PauloCereda awwwwwwwww :(

Christian Hupfer

@tohecz: Good night

tohecz

@ChristianHupfer thanks. bye everybody

bbtw, do you know what really sucks? that I have to carry my laptop with me home and back here jut because we get robberies here at work :(

egreg

@PauloCereda The slowest tempo one can imagine. At some point, cutting my veins seemed like a good alternative.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg :(

@egreg: Let me try to cheer you up: youtube.com/watch?v=wGESFaMl84U

:)

David Carlisle

@egreg why delete the hyphemation answer?

egreg

10:38 PM

@DavidCarlisle Because it was not completely correct. ;-) Now it is.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg: and our favourite: youtube.com/watch?v=LmYky_iL2nE :)

cfr

@PauloCereda Maybe; maybe not...

Paulo Cereda

@cfr Please please pretty please with sugar on top. :)

David Carlisle

@cfr @PauloCereda said no for over 2 years before he was finally cornered

cfr

@DavidCarlisle Plenty of time then ;).

@PauloCereda What kind of sugar? Besides, @DavidCarlisle says I have at least 2 years.

Paulo Cereda

10:45 PM

@cfr Demerara? :)

egreg

@PauloCereda Oh my darling Clementine!

Paulo Cereda

@egreg LOL

egreg

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Q: What are your favorite lesser-known Lyx tips and tricks?

Things that you have learnt from experience which might help others.

lyx

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: I lost the thread right now... what's the topic... everybody is revealing his favourite song? :D

egreg

I have one: remove LyX from your machine. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

10:48 PM

@egreg That's a good one. :)

Christian Hupfer

I have another one: Never install LyX at all ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer I like Der Ententanz. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Oh, you are the one who likes it :-P

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer Ja, wenn wir alle Englein wären! :)

David Carlisle

I think the tikz mafia will kill me:

Christian Hupfer

10:51 PM

@PauloCereda: Incredible... I try to forget this rubbish German songs and you brought it back into my mind....

David Carlisle

tikz is OK but it's hard to achieve the artistic heights that one can achieve with a GUI as demonstrated for example in this answer — David Carlisle 56 secs ago

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer My pleasure. :) youtube.com/watch?v=9nGIwVF5Re0

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Don't you dare!!! I warn you :D I hope GEMA prevents it

Paulo Cereda

@ChristianHupfer LOL

egreg

@DavidCarlisle You couldn't do better even with picture mode!

David Carlisle

11:00 PM

@egreg on the mac you don't have the power of MS Paint at your fingertips.

egreg

11:11 PM

@DavidCarlisle Should I regret it?

Christian Hupfer

I am off... have a nice time

egreg

Non, rien de rien, non, je ne regrette rien youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Kvu6Kgp88

David Carlisle

@egreg my sources do not accept audio files for translation

percusse

A user interface question; I have an object which requires two numeric arrays. Should I ask a specific type to be entered or should I try to catch every kind of possible inputs?

In Python that is

Paulo Cereda

@percusse GUI or command line, sir?

percusse

11:21 PM

command line

I wish I was able to do GUI stuff

The possibilities are really endless (figuratively speaking).

Paulo Cereda

@percusse The numeric arrays should be of one type only?

percusse

@PauloCereda I'm internally converting them to numpy.ndarrays but some of them won't cooperate, dicts etc. and I am not feeling safe by testing every type instance

Paulo Cereda

@percusse online mode, sir. :)

cfr

11:38 PM

Does the site have a policy concerning questions in which the OP emails information to somebody rather than posting it? It just seems that such questions are unlikely to be of any use to anybody else. Or is this just so rare it is not a concern? (I've seen people ask if they can do this before but I don't think I've seen it done.)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle Weren't you a fluent French speaker?

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