If we all descended from one man and one woman then it's quite apparent that a third generation was not possible without the sexual union of close relatives.
Does the bible (or other Christian source) specifically address incest? Is it a sin?
If it is not a sin then does it follow that it is no...
i do the same kind of questioning on all other SE sites when i think it's the best way to pose a question
i don't know how long i'll be around. i'm travelling the world and the sun is out so i'll have to go exploring
but the chat room is persistent and if people actually use this one i think it's better for resolving these kinds of issues than meta discussions. though i've also thought about a meta discussion on this kind of question structure generally
Ya sometimes for specific ones chatting it over helps. If we have a problem with questions of that general structure it's good to air them out in meta. I'm not sure we've settled on how to handle thing kind yet.
Usually people do ask too many tangental things, but in this particular question all those issues have to be explained together somehow.
@Caleb I don't really feel sad if someone doesn't know anything else than Christianity, unless they go trolling around in their ignorance. I don't feel sad for atheists because their POV is narrow, but because they don't know Christ.
Making illegal copies of films, music, books and games
Downloading and seeding torrents
Using someone else's program code without license
Plagiarism (which is like breaking 9th Commandment)
Are the things listed above sinful?
Does it depend on whether we're making money from it?
Clearly not all governments are based on Christian principles. Should Christians be bound to obey the civil of their respective countries (states, cities, whatever) even if they disagree with the basis for the laws?
Please answer general about how Christians fit into civil law and worldly author...
@hippietrail Of course that might be an obvious way to ask, the point is how do we re-direct them to the more general principals that govern such things in a way that's constructive. Answering every nit-picky "is x a sin" that comes along is going to get old really fast, there could be thousands.
Christianity at it's core is NOT a system of do's and don'ts.
These questions are kind of peripheral to the real issues and the number of questions and approach to dealing with them should reflect that.
@hippietrail I'm with Caleb, basically it turns Christianity into a series of "dos and donts" rather than a system of mercy and grace. Also different denominations will define sin differently and different people are convicted about different things. Some things like civil laws the Bible is quite clear on, Other things like alcohol or tobacco aren't very clear (to some...)
@waxeagle: Hillarious comment from shog (ref). Also just five more votes, 1 down and 4 up and you've got your reversal badge :)
Alright guys what DO we do with this? Half of me wants to answer because there are interesting things to say, but it really seems like a duplicate of the question he referenced in the first place AND it the bit at the end is ... I should shut up now.
Close as dup? Edit out the parting shot as belonging to a separate question? Close as NC? Ignore it and answer the first bit?
i would've thought a better way to handle lots of sin questions would be to build up an faq of them by closing new ones as duplicates of previous ones, same goes for "nitpicky" ones being dupes of previous broader ones
the duplicate close reason always feels like a friendlier close reason to me than off-topic which is bound to put people off who are seeking clarity
"getting old" seems like a very lazy reason by the way. a successful SE site will be very very busy and there is no onus on anybody to pay attention to every single question. i'm sure there are many topics that got old quick a long time ago that are still on topic and still asked on SO
@hippietrail You're right that wasn't great verbiage on my part. But still -- see some of the discussions on meta about the home-page being our advertisement and the fact that we are trying to attract expert level questions and answers, not cater to the easy/frequent ones. Since that's not a core issue we don't want to promote them too much and they come in in higher volume than ther things.
@hippietrail I agree it's kinda bad form but the OP doesn't agree his question is subset of a general issue so I decided he would take better to that than having his question edited out from under him to be just the general issue.
hmm, being fairly new to the SE community the practice seems a bit odd. I'll leave it to the more experienced in SE, but it might be better to leave the old question alone, and only close new questions on the topic as duplicate
@hippietrail this is true, but we also have to be a lot more careful about what we accept so that we don't turn into a nasty subjective free for all. We are still trying to be a site for experts (as are all SE sites).
@hippietrail part of the problem here is volume, we have had a 30-40 q/day volume from the very beginning here, a lot of them are garbage, some of them rescueable, others not. I think we have tried to encourage OPs to edit when its salvageable
@hippietrail Cool. I've only been to Eastern Europe once, spent 2 days in Budapest and about 2 weeks in Romania...A lot of fun, but Hungarian is nearly impossible to understand. Romanian is much easier when you already know a romance language...
@hippietrail Totally off topic and just general curiosity...why do you do your smileys "backwards" like that? (I quote "backwards" simply because there's obviously nothing particularly wrong with doing them that way, I'm just used to seeing them the other way around)
@waxeagle Perhaps. Quite interesting series of comments actually.
It's a conspiracy to kill my house-work day :)
BTW, DJClayworth has been raising objections to a number of my posts, but I can't really figure out what the core issue is. Any ideas? We don't seem to disagree on doctrine so much as ... I don't know ... how we use QnA format? Wording?
@Caleb: I think that the subject matter of Christianity.sx makes it a lot easier for someone to get a negative impression of someone (or an outright grudge) than, say, StackOverflow or one of the more technical sites.
@waxeagle Huh. I'm not fond of the subject myself and avoid it when possible but that's like the least taboo thing ever in this part of the world. That or soccer is what people fill holes in conversation when they can't think of anything else to talk about.
I can't believe nobody has yet asked what I consider to be the hardest question* in the world, The Canonical Question of Christianity!
As Christians we believe that God is good. We trumpet his justice, rightness, holiness, and so on and so forth. We say that he is the true standard of what goodn...
Alright, here's the non-trivial answer.
The idea is that we are all guilty. It's pretty hard to deny this one:
Romans 3:23 (NIV)
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Furthermore, while we are all guilty of sin, the punishment for this sin is death:
Romans 6:23a (NIV)
sorry guys my laptop battery died when i was out before and now i have a very shaky connection
@Caleb: bulgaria and yugoslavia seemed to have the most amazing and or spooky communist monuments
@AdamRobinson: my smileys are not backward. all our smileys are sideways in fact if you haven't noticed (-: in fact my smileys are umop apisdn because i'm from down under - due to reasons of symmetry upside down then sideways cannot be distinguished from sideways then backwards (-:
@waxeagle: i'm sometimes fluent in spanish and can finagle the other romance languages but i actively tried to learn romanian and there ain't nothing easy about it at all. should've done turkish instead!
God desires our greatest happiness. In the area of romantic relationships, He has designed us to be happiest in a man/woman marriage. Homosexuality gets in the way of this.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; bu...
Is he trolling? Or did he honestly miss my point? Or what?
@KronoS Thanks. I haven't (and won't) forget the topic but I'm kind of pre-occupied with some other topics and work stuff here. Thanks for checking though, I'll ping you when I start researching that again.
I flagged comment once that contained a URL with the F word in it, and the target page contained many instances of the F word. I don't remember the context... I don't think it was an intended troll, but I figured it was still offensive.
@Caleb: I really want to accept your answer on my question about the meaning of the word "die" in Genesis... but I feel like it's mostly conjecture and opinion... Could you edit it with some more scripture or other references?
@Caleb: No hurry... I see that you're busy with other things... just know that there's +15 rep waiting for you when you complete that :)
@Flimzy I will eventually. It's on my "to edit" list, currently at #3 :) It's come up several other places that not very many people have even considered that definition so it's going to take a really good write up to make a convincing answer out of it.
i think you're making too much of whether questions are trollish. in my opinion unless the questions are rubbish it's best to take them in good faith. then again i think i've seen good faith answers to questions that some may construe as trollish
i've been thinking about the high rep people here re asking editing versions of questions. why not prompt the original asker to reword their question. or edit it just a bit to focus it. otherwise one perspective would be that you are taking their ideas to earn the reputation instead of them
oh sorry i only saw what came up in here. too much stuff in other windows and tabs to open everything
not accusing anybody of actually doing that to be clear just pointing out that people could see it that way and it would be better avoided
In Issiah 7:13-17
13 Then Isaiah said, “Hear now, you house of David! Is it not enough to try the patience of humans? Will you try the patience of my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you[c] a sign: The virgin[d] will conceive and give birth to a son, and[e] will call him Imma...
@Caleb It seems he thinks that people who commit evil acts don't just have to accept guilt and follow jesus, they have to do some sort of penance in reading the bible which makes them eligible for forgiveness...
"Cite where god has chosen to fogive one who does not seek pennance in the bible"
@JonathonByrd I took it as a general assumption too particularly since I came from dealing with vonjd, a humanist that was working with the assumption that if there was a god he must be just. It seemed like a given to me. Apparently not.
@Richard Based on Chad's last comment I don't think justice is the issue, he's not coming at this with the idea that all men are fallen/sinners/wicked. He's assuming God's "justification" only applies to people who have (as @CiscoIPPhone pointed out he said) done their pennence and already become somehow righteous on their own, so God's letting them off the hook isn't injustice at all.
This is really making my brain hurt.... Do you think he's saying that the question (in bold) and the example text do not go together? It would make sense if he's coming from the stance that you have to do something to be forgiven...
OK, I think I'm starting to see where he's coming from.
At the very least, in my mind, I have accepted that he's not trolling. ;)
Basically what you're asking has been asked throughout history.
Job 8:3 NIV
Does God pervert justice? Does the Almighty pervert what is right?
The Saints defend God
Throughout the ages of biblical times, the saints have declared with trumpets the Justice of God.
Job 34:12 NIV...