@ElendiaStarman That's a pretty good indication that they felt it was a matter of updating the vocabulary to not conflict with modern usage, but generally left the same general flow of the translation.
I ran across the KJV translation of Jeremiah 29:11 on Facebook today and was struck by a seeming contradiction in the way the last part was translated. Here is the verse alongside other modern translations for comparison:
Jeremiah 29:11
KJV: For I know the thoughts that I think toward ...
@ElendiaStarman King James English has a number (at least a couple dozen that I've seen) words that have completely changed meanings since they were put in ... and we're not talking about shifting scope or alternate usages, we are talking about 100% reversals where the word today would mean the opposite thing as it did when it was written.
@ElendiaStarman Those things don't mean it was a bad translation, for its' time it was actually fantastic. If you speak KJE and know how to read it it's not bad, but it's not what you would hand to a new believer and expect them to understand based on their knowledge of English.
And the whole inspired-translation-more-authoritative-than-any-language thing is just off base to begin with.
@Caleb Yeah, I read somewhere on this site that the KJV was actually a thought-for-thought translation for the time although it's now more of a word-for-word translation.
The King James Version or Authorized Version as it was originally known, was translated by a group of 47 scholars.
It was actually a thought-for-thought translation, rather than word-for-word translation. The idea is that they tried to take the original meaning of the text (not just the indivi...
Inspired by an answer to one of my other questions, what is the proper meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:22?
KJV
Abstain from all appearance of evil.
NIV:
reject every kind of evil.
NKJV
Abstain from every form of evil.
I am most familiar with the first translation, as was the poste...
You're correct in that it is an indicator for your health as a Beta site, as the voting level tends to affect how many users you get at varying reputation levels. Without high reputation users, you do not have people who can police the community properly when you graduate.
The best way to get a ...
How is someone deemed a Saint? At first I was thinking the requirement was to martyred for your faith. Is this accurate?
Note, I'm talking officially title 'Saint' and not referring to a good man's character.
The sons of God are Angels
The Hebrew words used here are Ben 'elohiym.
Ben Literally means a 'decedent of'. So sons, grandsons, translated to son.
'elohiym can be translated into a few different words. rulers, judges, divine ones, angels, gods.
You can see that the scholars behind the NKJV h...
I updated my answer pretty significantly
been researching these nephilim for the last hour or two
@waxeagle I agree (about vtc + answering)... That's what I get for asking something that occurs to me while working. SE is starting to be my default place to ask
@JonathonByrd Not me, I haven't had votes since BEFORE breakfast today. (and they are in the same time zone for me not split over two days like @ElendiaStarman
@JonathonByrd I don't think I agree with you on that post ... although it's more promising than the first version :) Your reasoning follows a pretty typical line for them being angles (which I don't hold to but that's not what I'm objecting to here) but the last bit about the connection to the holy spirit seems tenuous. Doesn't that phrase have other users for when God is clearly dealing with humans?
How is someone deemed a Saint as opposed to a martyr in Catholicism? At first I was thinking the only requirement was to killed for your faith. Is this accurate?
@JonathonByrd actually, after re-reading, it looks like you answer the question about who the sons of God are, but you don't mention the giants they are asking about in the original question
@ElendiaStarman I'd agree, i was actually going to rephrase it to be something along the lines of 'Is the term Saint specific to catholicism', but there were a bunch of answers before I could do that.
and ironically Bork's answer would be right on target for that
@Jonathon: A suggestion: Add another header that points out the connection between the "giants" that the OP is asking about and them being the offspring of the "sons of God".
@ElendiaStarman Ya I got that from the lingo ... I'm trying to figure out how it fits into LDS beliefs. They believe in all mater being eternal and also I think in human spirits being eternal but it's not clear how that affects the issue in the question.
@JonathonByrd if you edit your nephilim answer again correct "decedents" to "descendants". re: Ben Literally means a 'decedent of'. So sons, grandsons, translated to son.
@KronoS I had a question about LDS theology that's sort of a continuation of our chat the other day but I'm actually going to have to jet in a couple minutes myself so maybe I'll ping you another day.
@caleb, is that the 3-4 generations stuff. There's something in Catholicism, at least I think it is unique to Catholicism, called inter-generational healing. I think it's more like counselling for families with deeply ingrained issues than it is atonement for their sins. (talking about pre-whatever sin)
@PeterTurner No, this was something else. Came up in one of Mason's answers, but has to do with what @KronoS was telling me the other day about how they see creations and matter and eternity and stuff a differently.
@PeterTurner There are some interesting generational issues in Scripture for sure, this was about individuals tho.
More when I'm not about to run off!
I just had to finish that answer for @ElendiaStarman :) Now for dishes and bed.
@djeikyb I wondered about that. This would be a great question for Hermaneutics when it comes along. I don't know Hebrew, I was just giving an explanation for why that didn't have to be a wrong translation in English. There could actually be a lot more meaning buried in there.
I've been here a week and not managed to be suspended, this is because I don't ask dumb questions.
"Which Christian denominations are false?" Is a complete troll question. Perhaps he envisioned asking it and watching the Christians argue among themselves whilst he chortled at the replies? :P
That whole thread is sadly hilarious. I find his post somewhat deceptive however. Just a week before he announced on the same forum that he was coming over to troll us, then he writes a letter about how good intentioned he was? I'm not buying it. I'm glad somebody called him out on that in comments, but it seems to have gone un-noticed. It doesn't look like the majority of folks there care.
@CiscoIPPhone Of course you haven't, because you have been mis-behaving. This has nothing to do with him being an Atheist. It has to do with not following community guidelines which would actually go for any SE site.
There are actually 3 or 4 very well behaved atheists around here who's challenges and questions I think have been good for us in the long run.
I for one have zero problem with being challenged on logic or premises or historical or scientific issues, but people who troll answers to every question stating we've got it all wrong (in "aggressive" terms no less :) just don't add anything to the community.
I ran across the KJV translation of Jeremiah 29:11 on Facebook today and was struck by a seeming contradiction in the way the last part was translated. Here is the verse alongside other modern translations for comparison:
Jeremiah 29:11
KJV: For I know the thoughts that I think toward ...
The King James Version or Authorized Version as it was originally known, was translated by a group of 47 scholars.
It was actually a thought-for-thought translation, rather than word-for-word translation. The idea is that they tried to take the original meaning of the text (not just the indivi...
Inspired by an answer to one of my other questions, what is the proper meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:22?
KJV
Abstain from all appearance of evil.
NIV:
reject every kind of evil.
NKJV
Abstain from every form of evil.
I am most familiar with the first translation, as was the poste...
How is someone deemed a Saint? At first I was thinking the requirement was to martyred for your faith. Is this accurate?
Note, I'm talking officially title 'Saint' and not referring to a good man's character.
The sons of God are Angels
The Hebrew words used here are Ben 'elohiym.
Ben Literally means a 'decedent of'. So sons, grandsons, translated to son.
'elohiym can be translated into a few different words. rulers, judges, divine ones, angels, gods.
You can see that the scholars behind the NKJV h...
