English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

3:00 PM

@Cerberus sure

Specifically, a forest on clay or peat/bogs, at least in Holland. Hout/Holz is a forest on sand, hence the name Holland, "sand-forest land".

@JohanLarsson Thanks.

@RegDwigнt Hey croc, how are things?

Johan Larsson

runeberg.org/svetym/0292.html

> 2. looks like it is related to grey after all, no idea about the source

tchrist

@Cerberus Hm. Not like a freehold, then?

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson Oh! Which word(s) in that description mean grey? I see grit.

tchrist

Somehow wold for forest sometimes transformed into hill country. Not sure how that happened.

Cerberus

3:02 PM

Is grit related to grey? Gritty sounds like it could be...

@tchrist Huh, what would you mean?

tchrist

@Cerberus No.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto yeah there should totally be a button "give me a 2048 right away cuz you know for a fact I'll friggin get there anyway every single time". Shorter labeling possible. Like, "cut to the damn chase already".

Robusto

Hey, @tchrist, do you still own a turntable?

Johan Larsson

@Cerberus it says gryning means to become grey, can't really read it :)

tchrist

@Robusto Course.

RegDwigнt

3:03 PM

@Cerberus all fine in Crocolandia.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt This.

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson Ahh OK, cool! That's great, then we have found out new information to send to the etymological dictionaries! They said "no related words are known in other languages"!

@RegDwigнt OK, OK.

skullpatrol

!!youtube crocadile rock

KitSox

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Johan Larsson

@Cerberus i have no idea if the source is good though

tchrist

3:04 PM

@Cerberus Wold has sense 1 forest 2 hill, down 3 plain 4 -wold used for hilly districts in England

Robusto

@tchrist I no longer do. It feels like too much to keep up with, though I have lots of old vinyl that keeps begging to be heard.

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson If it is an etymological dictionary, I am prepared to trust it...

tchrist

@Robusto Now ask me if I’ve played anything on it in the last 20 years.

Robusto

@tchrist Ha. OK, have you?

Cerberus

@tchrist Right, right, but I meant the part about freehold.

tchrist

3:05 PM

@Robusto I don’t think so. Got rid of all the 78s and 45s too.

Robusto

Yeah. I hate to dump all my vinyl, but I may have to. I wish I could find it a good home.

tchrist

@Cerberus I didn’t know that Dutch sense, so misderived Holland.

@Robusto Stick it with the laser discs.

Robusto

I got rid of the laser discs a looong time ago.

I even have a DAT which I haven't used in maybe 15 years.

Cerberus

@Robusto We gave our friend a turntable yesterday, for his birthday.

They are very popular.

tweakers.net/pricewatch/301715/… This one.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto Denver talk is only allowed in here as long as it's a Denver singalong. And who wants to sing in French. Please.

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Robusto

3:08 PM

But there are some recordings, like the L'Histoire du Soldat that I linked in here, which simply aren't available in digital format.

tchrist

Most rep=1 users give lame comments-as-answers, but this one I wish he had been able to make a comment, because I find it interesting:

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A: How should an English speaker pronounce "vice versa"?

Just an interesting thing: some Hungarian speakers erroneously pronounce vica versa [veetsa verzah]. It sounds better for a Hungarian, it is, however, a nonsense.

Cerberus

@tchrist Ah, no. No freedom myths here!

Robusto

@RegDwigнt D'enfer!

tchrist

@RegDwigнt As in a John Denver singalong? Oh my!

Robusto

That's beyond the pale.

Cerberus

3:09 PM

@Robusto One of the reasons why my friend wanted that turntable was so that he could easily digitise records. It has a USB connector and everything, you can supposedly digitise straight to your computer.

RegDwigнt

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Q: My twice in a sentence

To settle a disagreement is the following sentence It's slowing my paying my debts off grammatically correct to say?

tchrist

You’d still hear them out there.

Cerberus

This one was € 75.

RegDwigнt

Use–mention.

I totally parsed that as written.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Ditto

RegDwigнt

3:10 PM

And was going to comment, keep your twices the hell out of my sentences.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt That is...illegible.

Robusto

@Cerberus Yeah, yeah, I tried that nonsense myself. It was a failure. I even have (had) high-end audio editing tools, and I couldn't remove the surface pops and crackles effectively.

Cerberus

Oh, really? Hmm.

That sucks.

tchrist

@Robusto Takes specialized algorithms, and apparently there’s only so much you can do.

Which seems odd to me.

Perhaps it’s like noise removal in digital images. But I’d think it were more like edge-detection.

Cerberus

I once tried some Audacity filters, I think, and I wasn't happy.

But that is hardly "high-end".

tchrist

3:12 PM

Right.

Cerberus

Then again, I couldn't care less about the cracks. They are...charming.

Robusto

It took me like a whole day to do that one side of the Stravinsky disc, and the results were disappointing. On top of which, just going straight in via USB means no phonograph preamp, which means you have to boost the bass artificially by about 12dB, and the input gain by quite a bit, and getting that to be smooth is an effort in itself.

Cerberus

Oh, dear.

Robusto

I think the original tapes of many recordings have been lost. That's why when you do see a digitization of an old recording on Amazon, say, one that you used to have on vinyl, it isn't very long before you start to hear the pops and crackle that make you realize they ripped the tracks right from the vinyl, not the tape.

@tchrist I've painstakingly hand-edited waveforms at max zoom and still can hear the pops.

tchrist

Hm.

Robusto

3:16 PM

They're much reduced, but the original sound is lost, so there's nothing to put in its place.

RegDwigнt

You sure it's not your brain screwing with you, adding pops from memory?

tchrist

I feel like there are a lot more disputed flags of late. Not sure what I make of that.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt I screw with my brain. It doesn't screw with me.

tchrist

It might be that some folks use Not An Answer a bit freely.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto that's Adam Sandler talk.

skullpatrol

3:18 PM

@tchrist like Not A Number?

RegDwigнt

This answer is totally not a number. Kill it with fire.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Let's not say things we can't take back.

skullpatrol

@RegDwigнt this number is not an answer either :-)

RegDwigнt

@Robusto all things I say are of that variety.

May 9 '11 at 13:27, by RegDwight

@Robusto There's a somewhat related saying in Russian, "Слово — не воробей, вылетит — не поймаешь." A word is not a sparrow; once it's out, you can't catch it.

Also,

Feb 26 at 21:08, by RegDwigнt

A rich sparrow does not a corvid make.

Also, this:

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A: "Smooths" versus "Smoothes"

GRAMMAR: Your #23: "What is ... based on?" I was taught NOT TO END A SENTENCE WITH A PREPOSITION ... SO s/b "On what is .... based?", n'est pas?

What is the author (not even) trying to say?

tchrist

No. Idear.

But he’s more than a bit too stridulent for my tastes.

Robusto

3:23 PM

> The loudness wars of the 90s ruined all the quality gains digital music had made – listening to a recording as a FLAC or Apple Lossless file can’t undo dynamic range compression or overzealous equalization.

tchrist

Maybe: "The light of gloaming plodded into the room like a gut-shot sloth looking to down one last beer before its inevitable demise." — Wayfaring Stranger 3 hours ago

RegDwigнt

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all music are created equalized. Overzealously.

skullpatrol

!!wiki self-evident

KitSox

Self-evidence

In epistemology (theory of knowledge), a self-evident proposition is one that is known to be true by understanding its meaning without proof. Some epistemologists deny that any proposition can be self-evident. For most others, the belief that oneself is conscious is offered as an example of self-evidence. However, one's belief that someone else is conscious is not epistemically self-evident. The following proposition is often said to be self-evident: * A finite whole is greater than, or equal to, any of its parts A logical argument for a self-evident conclusion would demonstrate only a...

skullpatrol

truth without proof?

Robusto

3:32 PM

Interesting guide to digitizing vinyl. Maybe I should make an effort to try again, since the last time I tried was around 10 years ago. Things may have advanced since then.

skullpatrol

is it on a 33 or 45?

Robusto

I presume you mean 33-1/3 (LP), and I presume the same process would apply to both formats.

skullpatrol

45s are better

Robusto

Try to find symphonies on that format.

RegDwigнt

If something really is self-evident, you do not need to hold it as such. It couldn't care less about your opinion or existence. It just is.

tchrist

3:36 PM

@Robusto What, you run out of code points?

↉  2189	VULGAR FRACTION ZERO THIRDS
⅒  2152	VULGAR FRACTION ONE TENTH
½  00BD	VULGAR FRACTION ONE HALF
⅓  2153	VULGAR FRACTION ONE THIRD
¼  00BC	VULGAR FRACTION ONE QUARTER
⅕  2155	VULGAR FRACTION ONE FIFTH
⅙  2159	VULGAR FRACTION ONE SIXTH
⅐  2150	VULGAR FRACTION ONE SEVENTH
⅛  215B	VULGAR FRACTION ONE EIGHTH
⅑  2151	VULGAR FRACTION ONE NINTH
⅔  2154	VULGAR FRACTION TWO THIRDS
⅖  2156	VULGAR FRACTION TWO FIFTHS
¾  00BE	VULGAR FRACTION THREE QUARTERS
⅗  2157	VULGAR FRACTION THREE FIFTHS
⅜  215C	VULGAR FRACTION THREE EIGHTHS

Robusto

The sun is self-evident, except on cloudy days.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto Bittersweet Symphony might be available on vinyl.

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Robusto

@RegDwigнt My least favorite track by The Verve ever.

Also, he means 45. I think that song is too long for a 45, but I could be wrong.

skullpatrol

try working with 45s before trying 33s

RegDwigнt

I do not know much about The Verve at all, so it is self-evident to me that whatever you say is self-evident.

Robusto

3:38 PM

This kind?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto 4:37? Come on now. You can squeeze one and a half of those onto a 45.

Robusto

Hmm, OK.

RegDwigнt

You just need to download more RAM first.

Robusto

Or more RCA.

It depends on what you mean by "sound" and "quality" and "better". Also "pal".

RegDwigнt

I am not your pal, NTSC.

tchrist

3:41 PM

That was sucky, because it didn’t sort in numeric order. These do:

 -0.500000 U+0F33 ‭ ༳  GC=No   -1/2=NV  SC=Tibetan      TIBETAN DIGIT HALF ZERO
  0.062500 U+09F4 ‭ ৴  GC=No   1/16=NV  SC=Bengali      BENGALI CURRENCY NUMERATOR ONE
  0.062500 U+0B75 ‭ ୵  GC=No   1/16=NV  SC=Oriya        ORIYA FRACTION ONE SIXTEENTH
  0.062500 U+A833 ‭ ꠳  GC=No   1/16=NV  SC=Common       NORTH INDIC FRACTION ONE SIXTEENTH
  0.100000 U+2152 ‭ ⅒  GC=No   1/10=NV  SC=Common       VULGAR FRACTION ONE TENTH
  0.111111 U+2151 ‭ ⅑  GC=No    1/9=NV  SC=Common       VULGAR FRACTION ONE NINTH

Robusto

In any case, the problem is that I have hundreds of vinyl LPs. If I could find them in digital format, I'd buy them. But I wouldn't try to find them on 45s. What would be the point.

RegDwigнt

Okay I haven't been paying attention again. What kind of pasta is tchrist at copying now at?

tchrist

I’m helping Rob find the right code point for his 33s.

He was being vulgar.

RegDwigнt

Well, 33s was something something Adolf Hitler.

tchrist

So I found all the code points that had a non-integral numeric value.

And sorted them on such.

Robusto

3:43 PM

OK, 33⅓ rpm. Is everybody happy now?

tchrist

Tibetans are weird.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto rapists per moon?

Not sure who'd be happy with that. Surely not the Moonians.

Robusto

Revolutions per May. (Workers of the world, unite!)

skullpatrol

3 mins ago, by Robusto

It depends on what you mean by "sound" and "quality" and "better". Also "pal".

RegDwigнt

And who mapped this hyphen onto my full stop key, I feel like a price gun now.

skullpatrol

3:44 PM

that^ is vulgar

RegDwigнt

Is that how you say them in English, price guns?

Cerberus

@Robusto They aren't findable online, like last time, remember?

RegDwigнt

> Staples®. has the Pricing / Tagging Guns you need for home office or business. FREE delivery on all orders over $19.99, plus Rewards Members get 5 percent

Why is there a period after the subject of the sentence?

tchrist

@Robusto Certainly that’s better than ¹⁰⁰⁄₃, albeit equally rational.

@RegDwigнt Just a pedestrian fuck-up.

You know, like jay walking.

RegDwigнt

Jay and Silent Bob walking?

Cerberus

3:46 PM

@RegDwigнt Isn't it clear? The message is "I am stupid haha!".

A period can be a very efficient way of conveying this message.

tchrist

.

Cerberus

It's small.

See?

tchrist

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Robusto

@skullpatrol Ease up. I'm just funning with you. This is how we commune in The Incomprehensible Room.

RegDwigнt

Interesting. The Internet has exactly zero images of Jay and Silent Bob walking.

Cerberus

3:47 PM

@tchrist Hey that's cheating!

RegDwigнt

They are more like into standing and shit.

Cerberus

.

Wow. I didn't know this was possible.

RegDwigнt

No worries, in ten minutes you will not know again.

Cerberus

You knew this?

Robusto

@Cerberus I didn't even know you could have periods at all.

skullpatrol

3:48 PM

@Robusto It depends on what you mean by "ease" and "up" and "funning". Also "pal".

RegDwigнt

Speaking of which, I must be working on my 9192.

tchrist

@Cerberus . · ˙ · .

Robusto

@skullpatrol There you go. See? That wasn't so hard.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus you knew if I knew this, but then you forgot.

Robusto

@tchrist Making a mountain out of a molehill.

tchrist

3:49 PM

@Cerberus I didn’t even do that.

Cerberus

@Robusto Yeah I only have full stops.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist looks like a love child of Zelda's Lullaby from Ocarina of Time and Cee-Lo Green's Fuck You.

Cerberus

I'm not an American woman.

@tchrist Who you pointing at??

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus that'd be Whitney, and she's dead.

And with her, every woman.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt At least I known't it now.

@tchrist No? You added a different symbol?

tchrist

3:51 PM

@Cerberus Yes. MID DOT

Robusto

@RegDwigнt: Cleanup requested on aisle 45.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt How so?

Robusto

Thanks.

Cerberus

@tchrist Ugh, I should have known.

tchrist

But do note:

U+002E ‭ .  FULL STOP
U+2024 ‭ ․  ONE DOT LEADER
U+2025 ‭ ‥  TWO DOT LEADER
U+2026 ‭ …  HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS

Cerberus

3:51 PM

notes

RegDwigнt

Cleanup long done, I was already in the middle of the process of scratching my head wondering if you are now banned again for the next 30 minutes.

Apparently you are not.

tchrist

For which value of you? :)

Cerberus

What did he do this time?

Robusto

I don't think you can self-ban. What would be the point?

skullpatrol

I am banned

tchrist

3:52 PM

Scandimetal?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus He flagged himself. In a staggeringly vain attempt to inflate his record.

Robusto

@Cerberus I didn't do anything. I just realized that my joke picture about the confusion between 45 and .45 could be interpreted wrong, so I asked Reg do delete it.

RegDwigнt

For every time someone gets banned anywhere at all, Robusto gets banned thrice in this room alone.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Now dat’s funneh.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt I do hold the record. Let's see Barrie top that one.

Cerberus

3:53 PM

Wow, I have just discovered that the French do know self-mockey. The leader of the Right, Coppé, said of himself, "I am about as popular as shale gas".

r

what is the record?

Shale go to hale.

@RegDwigнt Ah, Robusto and vanity, who'd have thunk...

Robusto

@Cerberus Well, shale gas is very popular in some places. Just not the civilized world.

Cerberus

3:54 PM

@Robusto Ohh that, I see.

@Robusto Not in France! It does have its merits, obviously...

RegDwigнt

Cerberus

Hehe.

skullpatrol

is the record on a 45 or a 33?

Robusto

And now my day descends into the part that involves making my wife happy. Yes, I am going to the fabric store. I shouldn't have deleted that .45 before I could turn it on myself.

tchrist

Guinness

Robusto

3:55 PM

Latorz.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus really? The nineties called. They want their hehe back.

CU Rob

Cerberus

@Robusto I thought you meant something else...take care!!

skullpatrol

lator pal

RegDwigнt

Speaking of pals, records, I am off again to work on the 9192 on my HDTV.

tchrist

wold /wəʊld/. Forms: ɑ. 1, 3, 4-6 Sc. wald, 5 walde, 7- dial. waud, 8 dial. wadd, 9 Sc. wauld. β. 3- wold, 4-6 wolde, 5-8 would, 7 wowld, pl. woles, 8 woald. ɣ. 6-7 old, 7 ould. See also weald.

Etymology: Com. Teut. (not extant in Gothic): OE. (Anglian) wald (WS. weald: see weald) str. masc. forest, wooded country = OFris. wald forest, MDutch wout, woud- (Dutch woud), OS. wald forest, ? wilderness (MLG., LG. wold), OHG. wald forest, wilderness (MHG. walt, wald- forest, wood, timber, G. wald forest), ONor. völlr untilled field, plain (Sw. vall pasture, Norw. voll grassy plain):-OTeut. *walþ…

Cerberus

3:56 PM

For a man, going shopping with a woman is like lots and lots of waiting, with small instructions in between, just enough to keep you awake and away from oblivious slumber.

tchrist

No shit.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Oh, PAL. Good luck.

tchrist

That said, I’ve known guys like that. As briefly as possible, I assure you.

skullpatrol

@Cerberus are you mocking me?

Cerberus

@tchrist Hmm no relation to wild perchance? A woud in Dutch is wilder than a bos or hout.

tchrist

3:58 PM