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5:07 AM
@AlexanderGruber Are you there?
I think I just found a very nice argument for something! =D
 
@PedroTamaroff what's that?
 
"Count the number of matrices of size $n\times m$ with an odd number of 1s in both all rows and columns, and with zeros elsewhere."
So, first I showed that for a solution to exist $n,m$ must have the same parity.
So the solution is $f(m,n)[2\mid m-n]$, for some $f(m,n)$.
And I claim that one can produce solutions with total freedom.
That is, you can fill the first $n-1$ rows, say, and that always gives a solution.
And I think the argument is very nice.
=)
@AlexanderGruber.
 
5:32 AM
@AlexanderGruber Are you there...?
The number of such matrices is $$(n-1)\sum_{k=1}^{\lceil m/2+1\rceil}\binom mk=(m-1)\sum_{k=1}^{\lceil n/2+1\rceil}\binom nk$$
@Mike
 
You get enthralled by everything.
 
@Mike Maybe that's a good thing!
Can you use software to show the above holds?
For $m,n$ of the same parity.
 
I can check it for large $(m,n)$.
In other words I can convince you it holds.
 
Right.
I can give you a proof.
But I don't know if it holds for non congruent numbers mod 2.
 
Erm.
I got that they don't equal for $(10,6)$.
 
5:37 AM
=O
I derped then.
Let me see.
It is $(m/2)+1$.
 
Assume that $m>n$. Then the RHS will be smaller.
 
And take the ceiling of that.
@Mike True.
Wait.
Maybe I forgot a factorial or something?
 
Prolly.
 
In how many ways can you produce a string of length $m$ of $0,1$ with an odd number of $1$s?
 
Hm, seems like it doesn't work like athat either.
I gotta sleep
 
5:38 AM
Is it not the binomial sum I give?
 
First off, those sums should each be roughly $2^{m-1}$ or $2^{n-1}$ respectively.
Little bit bigger.
But it's then obvious that we don't have equality.
 
@Mike Yes, I know, I am missing some factorial somewhere.
 
5:54 AM
The $m-1$ and $n-1$ should be exponents. =P
And the ceiling part is wronf.
It should be $m$ if $m$ is odd and $m-1$ if it is even.
 
@PedroTamaroff This book is huge, damn. I've got a lot to study.
 
@Mike Topologay?
 
No, diffgeo.
For next quarter.
Also is that supposed to be an insult? Because shit's weak bro.
 
Oh.
@Mike Whut?
 
Topologay. :P
 
5:58 AM
Can you run a software that checks the formula for some values?
i.e. counts the number of matrices with that property.
 
I need to sleep
 
You have to check $2^{mn}$ matrices.
Ah, OK.
@Mike No, I am copying Ylvis.
 
Ah.
Anyway, no, I'm ready for that.
 
See there, I put the moment wen he says it.
So you don't have to listen to it all
 
Heh
Ok. Bedtime. I hope.
I'm not tired but I need to get sleep.
 
6:00 AM
Cheers.
Yay, the formula is correct.
 
23,035 comments? wtf
 
wat
 
On the vid
people, get a life
 
6:28 AM
@PedroTamaroff I can only find it on sites that want money.
@PedroTamaroff can't you just look at the parity of the sum of all the entries?
 
6:49 AM
@PedroTamaroff When I look at your link, it seems to be a book, not a paper.
I might be wrong, but I don't think that AMS provides electronic version of their Memoirs series online for subscribers/buyers.
Although robjohn's comment seems to indicate otherwise.
 
Hey all
 
@MartinSleziak Oh.
@robjohn
 
What's the difference between compact and covering compact?
 
@Anthony ?
 
Is that a bad question?
 
7:02 AM
@MartinSleziak What do you think of the proof here? @robjohn @Mike @AlexanderGruber
@Anthony What is "covering compact"?
 
@PedroTamaroff i'm not sure what that symbol means.
 
@AlexanderGruber Nevermind, see my link there, I explain everything.
$[A]=1$ if $A$ is true, $0$ if false.
 
I'm not sure-- someone asked in my class and I didn't understand...
 
@MartinSleziak Thanks for the tags.
@Anthony Something is compact if every open cover has a finite subcover.
 
@PedroTamaroff You mean Iverson bracket, right? I think I encountered it in Graham-Knuth-Patashnik: Concrete Mathematics.
 
7:09 AM
I guess you're not talking about covering spaces. =P
@MartinSleziak Yes.
An amazingly useful piece of notation.
 
A subset K ⊂ X of a metric space is covering compact if for each open cover {Uα}α∈A, there is a finite subset of opens from the cover, {Uα1,...,Uαn}, such that K ⊂ Uα1 ∪···âˆªUαn. In other words, every open cover has a finite subcover
Was what he gave us
 
@Anthony Right, there is no difference. Most people don't use the word "covering" there.
Just compact.
@AlexanderGruber Could you read it?
 
I don't get it though… my professor said we can't assume they're equivalent--I guess since we haven't proved it.
 
@Anthony How did you define something to be compact? Not like that?
Ah.
 
For compact I think we said every sequence had a convergent subsequence
 
7:13 AM
Oh, that's sequentially compact.
Not compact.
 
waaaaaat
I'm so confused then...
 
Something is sequentially compact if every sequence has a convergent subsequence. You can define seq. compness for general topological spaces. You can define (covering) compact for general topological spaces. It so happens the definitions are equivalent for metric spaces.
More generally, they are equivalent for second countable spaces.
 
oh!
 
Don't be confused.
 
We've only been talking metric spaces.
 
7:15 AM
They are just ways of describing the same phenomenon in metric spaces.
 
yay
 
For second countable spaces, more generally.
 
What happened to Brian M. Scott? :-(
 
@skullpatrol he's taking some time off, may or may not be back. nothing bad happened to him.
 
@AlexanderGruber Great! thanks :D
 
7:18 AM
@PedroTamaroff I mean the brackets with the $2$ and the $\mid$
 
@AlexanderGruber I meant to write $m,n$ have the same parity.
If they don't, the number of matrices is $0$.
$2\mid m-n$ is a way of saying it =D
 
Hi pal @ParthKohli
 
@skullpatrol Hi, how're you?
 
@ParthKohli Fine thanks, how about you?
 
so by putting it in brackets, you meant "such that"?
 
7:20 AM
@AlexanderGruber Yas.
For example, $$\sum_{d\mid n}f(d)=\sum_{d\geqslant 1}f(d)[d\mid n]$$
 
@skullpatrol Oh, there's no way right now to express my joy right now.
 
@ParthKohli Did you have a burrito?
 
@ParthKohli ORLY?
 
@PedroTamaroff ah ha, i see how your argument works then. i like it.
 
@PedroTamaroff Oh nah, I'm not that happy. It's only that my exams ended. :(
 
7:22 AM
@AlexanderGruber I was quite thrilled when I realized how it works. I'm usually a bad counter.
 
@PedroTamaroff i've never seen that notation before. i always use substacks, e.g. $$\sum_{\substack{d \ge 1 \\ d \mid n}}$$
 
@AlexanderGruber Right, but seeing it as a function is amazignly helpful.
Consider the identity $$\sum_{b=1}^n\sum_{d\mid b}f(d)=\sum_{d=1}^n f(d)\left\lfloor \frac nd \right\rfloor$$
 
@PedroTamaroff seeing it as a function?
 
@AlexanderGruber Right $g(d)=[d\mid n]=1$ if $d\mid n$ and $=0$ if $d\nmid n$.
 
AHHH, i see, like the moebius indicator
 
7:25 AM
Kinda, right.
 
usually I see that as $\mu$
well, i guess that is a little different
since there are negatives
 
$$\sum\limits_{b = 1}^n {\sum\limits_{d\mid b} f } (d) = \sum\limits_{b = 1}^n {\sum\limits_{d \geqslant 1} f } (d)\left[ {d|b} \right] = \sum\limits_{d \geqslant 1} {f\left( d \right)} \sum\limits_{b = 1}^n {\left[ {d|b} \right]} = \sum\limits_{d \geqslant 1} {f\left( d \right)} \left\lfloor {\frac{n}{d}} \right\rfloor = \sum\limits_{d = 1}^n f (d)\left\lfloor {\frac{n}{d}} \right\rfloor $$
That's why it's useful, say.
It allows one to make the summation independent, and move it.
 
yeah, that's a neat thing
 
If you have too many stacks, the summation becomes fixed, and one cannot play around by swapping stuff.
 
reminds me of dirac notation
 
7:27 AM
@AlexanderGruber Hehe, good notation is good!
 
did you ever use that for anything?
 
Iverson? Yeah, that sum say! =D
 
i mean dirac notation
 
One can use it to compute the valuation of a prime in $n!$.
@AlexanderGruber Oh, I think I'm confusing it with Kroenecker.
 
it's cute... it comes from quantum mechanics, but it fits in fine with any linear algebra
 
7:29 AM
@AlexanderGruber are you interested in joining the MathematicsEducators.SE site?
 
@AlexanderGruber I have to sleep now, forgot I have things to do tomorrow. =/
It's 4:30 am here.
 
@PedroTamaroff 3:30 here.
@skullpatrol yeah, i may be.
 
:D
that would be Grrrrreat!
 
r9m
Hello guys ,, does a ODE of order one has only one solution ?
 
@PedroTamaroff (for whenever you get back) you have "kets" which are vectors written $\mid a \rangle$, where $a$ is whatever you name the vector. "bras" are conjugate transposes of vectors, written $\langle b \mid$. when you multiply a bra and a ket, you get $\langle b \mid \mid a \rangle = \langle b \mid a \rangle$ i.e. the inner product of $b$ with $a$
 
8:00 AM
@PedroTamaroff is that supposed to be $\binom{n}{k}$ in the right sum?
 
8:10 AM
We have two tags and . Should not they be synonyms? (I do not have sufficient reputation in either of the two for suggesting a synonym. But as two mods are present in the room, I thought I might bring it up here.)
The tag-wiki of the first one specifically says that it is for questions about quadratic equations. The second one has empty tag-wiki, but the name of the tag is self-explanatory.
 
I am at a loss about why old answers (which are fairly old) just get randomly downvoted.
 
I received today both upvote and downvote on one rather old answer. It was about some sum including binomial coefficients, too.
 
@MartinSleziak very odd. Of course, they will never comment
@MartinSleziak yours was much older.
 
@robjohn Voting is odd because many users are crazy.
 
Anyway, knowing that someone reads old threads is a good thing. It is nice to know that the answer I wrote can be useful for someone. However, just checking the number of views on some old questions would give me the same information, I do not need a downvote to know that "someone was there".
 
8:24 AM
@JasperLoy yeah, but why are they drawn to, and feel they need to downvote, old, decent answers?
 
@robjohn Like I said, they are crazy, lol.
 
some are even "crazy like a fox" lol
 
It is well known in this chat that I am also crazy.
Today the box with my books arrived. The sender said they were heavy.
So many kids in this room all of a sudden.
 
was that the reason for the delay?
 
Nope, I still don't know why there was a delay.
 
8:32 AM
So you now have a lot of reading to do.
 
Yes, and I won't ever throw away books again.
 
I really wanted a clean start, so I threw them all away.
 
You did what you felt was right for you, have no regrets pal.
 
Anyway, my answer yesterday on ELU gave me many points.
It was indeed a lhf.
However, I felt that my ungrateful should have gotten as many votes as ingrate.
 
8:38 AM
Both of them have similar origins, so yes.
 
I will retire from ELU at 2k and MSE at 3k. I hope to get there soon.
 
Again?
 
@JasperLoy you there?
 
@Ethan Yes.
@Ethan So what did you wanna tell me?
OMG, what happened to Ethan?
 
@ParthKohli How did it go?
 
8:43 AM
@JasperLoy
 
@Ethan Yes.
 
:-O
 
@Ethan I see.
 
Still you have been noticed.
 
@Ethan Where else did you hear from?
 
8:44 AM
@Ethan it's better than a rejection.
 
true dat^
 
@Ethan is that the only place you've applied?
 
I applied to Cambridge for undergrad, and was not offered a place in Math, but they offered me a place in Education, lol.
@Ethan Did you get any other news?
 
@Ethan let me know how that goes!
 
lol
 
8:46 AM
@Ethan That is not on my list.
 
@Ethan that's a good school.
 
@Ethan I see. I think all the UC's are pretty good?
 
what about Cal Tech?
 
@Ethan WTF!
 
MIT?
 
8:48 AM
I will need to write well and do well in the GRE to get a place in a good grad school.
 
>8(
 
@skullpatrol I was rejected by Cal Tech for undergrad. I didn't apply for graduate.
 
Orly?
 
@ethan I am definitely trying for UCLA as well.
 
@skullpatrol part of the reason was that they had already taken two people from my high school.
 
8:49 AM
ic ic
 
Many of my schoolmates got into top universities in the US.
@ethan You can email me when you get all the results. It is a bit confusing in chat.
I will likewise announce my results in this chat next time, lol.
Don't worry; it's nothing.
As long as you're not a serial killer or terrorist, nobody cares, lol.
 
@robjohn what are you doing up at 2 am lol
 
@ethan My mental illness has ruined my life. If I were well, I might have won the Fields medal by now.
 
@Ethan how about you?
 
Talking about 2 am, let me give you a song.
 
8:53 AM
@robjohn english homework lol
 
You look different, lol.
 
lol
 
(removed), lol
 
@JasperLoy
 
@Ethan Cool.
I never left this country in my life, except a few times to Bangkok.
Good.
@ethan Don't forget me when you win the Fields medal, lol.
@Ethan Good night, see you in your dreams.
 
9:02 AM
Hi.
 
I am somewhat curious to know if high school problems, say elementary number theory ones from the IMO become easier
to solve with more machinery.
 
Hm, something I haven't thought about.
 
I wonder if there are undergrads in this chat room.
 
@SabyasachiMukherjee I would guess that in rare cases they do, but not often
I'm saying this in general, not particular to number theory, which I do not know much about.
 
9:07 AM
@KarlKronenfeld, so problems which evaded me earlier will continue to evade me?
Let's take this example: Prove that for positive integers a, b, if $k=\frac{a^2+b^2}{ab+1}$ and $k\in\mathbbb{N}$, then $k$ is a perfect square.
*$k\in\mathbb{N}$
 
@SabyasachiMukherjee I think that this is not exactly a conclusion you can draw, since now we're including you. As you learn the machinery, you will deepen your understanding, which will make solving those problems easier.
 
@KarlKronenfeld, I see.
@r9m, I still remember how an entire technique(or algorithm) was developed to solve similar problems.
 
r9m
@SabyasachiMukherjee some argument with branch of hyperbola and iterations of solutions ..
(thats the only one I know .. )
 
9:22 AM
@KarlKronenfeld, thanks.
Are you a math major as well?
 
@SabyasachiMukherjee I've been self-learning math.
 
oh.
@r9m, yimin-ge.com/doc/VietaJumping.pdf is a link to what is called Vieta Jumping.
 
I've lost contact with the main site.
and chat, it seems.
 
@robjohn Not me.
 
oh, there it is.
 
r9m
9:29 AM
@SabyasachiMukherjee thanks for the link .. :)
 
@r9m, you are welcome.
I read the contents of the doc, and then I forget it.
 
@KarlKronenfeld my connection seems to be quite slow right now.
 
@r9m, see you later.
@KarlKronenfeld, good luck with your attempt. :) Bye for now!
 
r9m
@SabyasachiMukherjee tc
 
@SabyasachiMukherjee bye!
 
9:52 AM
I think it was a problem with the VPN server at UCLA. I seem to be okay now that I've stopped using it.
 
 
2 hours later…
11:34 AM
@r9m are you done with the problem i gave you yesterday?
 
r9m
11:52 AM
@Hawk hello :)
 
@r9m hello :)
@r9m Are you here at ISI, Kolkata for some internship program?
 
r9m
@Hawk my idea is showing that $m$ or $n$, divides one of the sides of the rectangle ..
 
@r9m okay, so have you done it?
 
r9m
@Hawk no I'm in chennai .. but I wish I could do it in Summer
 
@r9m Actually, some students have come over here. So, I was wondering if something as such is actually happening.
@r9m Do you need any hints?
 
r9m
11:57 AM
@Hawk are you doing Intern at ISI kol ?
 
@r9m No, I wish to enter there this year.
@r9m Preparing for entrance
 
r9m
@Hawk Thats great :)
 
@r9m I'm glad you like the plan.
 
r9m
@Hawk Hint please .. I'm stuck ..
 
@r9m Try to use complex number than number theory, will be very easy to solve.
 
r9m
12:02 PM
@Hawk Complex numbers ? .. beats me .. okay tell the solution .. I give up
 
@Hawk, @r9m, so you are Indians?
 
r9m
@SabyasachiMukherjee yep .. :)
 
@r9m I will not tell the full solution...I will give you more hints first...see if you can still approach.
 
do you mind if i ask you where?
i mean which uni?
(i am also from kolkata)
 
12:06 PM
@r9m Consider every cell to be an element
Now, think of that as $u^iv^j$ where $u$ is nth root of unity and $v$ is mth root of unity
@r9m does that help?
 
@r9m, sorry i was afk.
you wrote something?
 
r9m
@Hawk okay ... still beats me :'(
@SabyasachiMukherjee I said I won't tell which uni .. :P
 
@r9m I said in the question that you can fill up the rectangle by using the strips of length $1\times m$ and $n\times 1$...can't you conclude?
@SabyasachiMukherjee Yes, I am Indian too.
@SabyasachiMukherjee and co-incidentally from kolkata too
 
r9m
@Hawk that Q on main about uniqueness of representation of p as sum of two squares .. can you show that for non unique representation case .. p becomes composite ?
 
12:16 PM
@r9m If I could, don't you think, I would have already reached a solution? :p
@r9m wait a minute, I think I have got it.
 
r9m
@Hawk consider that my hint :P LOL .. $4p=2(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2)$, then
 
any of you two want to go for phd in math?
 
@r9m How is it $4p$?
@SabyasachiMukherjee what makes you think that?
 
Because in India, most people do
engineering.
 
@SabyasachiMukherjee Including me, but I dropped out. Hated that subject...feel like vomiting on the name of it.
 
12:20 PM
participation on math.SE by Indians is somewhat limited; the most difficult questions tend to be answered
by people who are not Indians.
And the reason why I dropped by the chatroom and asked you guys this question is that I suffer from a lack of peers interested in pure math.
 
r9m
@Hawk take for example if $x=gcd(a,c)$ and $y=gcd(b,d)$, then $2(a^2+b^2+c^2+d^2) = (x^2+y^2)(x'^2+y'^2)$, for some $x',y'$ which I leave you to figure out :)
 
@r9m oh kay, but that doesn't look easy to me...is the appearance just illusional or is it actually tough?
 
r9m
@Hawk the factorization is easy .. standard corollary that appears alongside with Fermat's proof of representation of primes of form $4k+1$ as sum of two squares with infinite descent :)
 
@r9m Okay, let's see then...
 
@Hawk, I didn't see your comment about wrting the ISI entrance
 
12:33 PM
@SabyasachiMukherjee What is that supposed to mean?
 
leave it.
 
@SabyasachiMukherjee leave writing ISI entrance?
 
@r9m I think I am getting by the slightest means what you were saying, but I still need to write it down as a formal proof.
 
r9m
@Hawk The technique is called Euler Factorization en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_factorization_method
 
12:44 PM
@r9m Yes, I read that...But what am I expected to do when there are four perfect squares?
 
r9m
@Hawk means ?
you mean sum of four squares in two different ways ?
 
@r9m Not exactly, I understood the wrong thing, but I do understand the proper thing now.
 
r9m
@Hawk did you figure out $f(x+h)=f(x)+hf'(x+\frac{h}{2})$ problem ?
 
@r9m tell me if this step is correct... $f'(x+h)-f'(x)=2f'(x+h/2)$
 
r9m
@Hawk $f'(x+h)+f'(x)=2f'(x+h/2)$ is correct :)
 
12:54 PM
Now, then Jensen's inequality
 
r9m
@Hawk absolutely :) :)
 
@r9m that was an irritating one...thanks for the problem...
@r9m :D
 
r9m
@Hawk today I learnt a generalization of the same problem ... check this out math.stackexchange.com/questions/719508/…
:D
 
@r9m is it actually a generalization or another one certainly of the same type though...
 

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