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3:31 AM
Is it just me, or are the following instructions extremely stupid?
> Describe a religious, social, academic, or community ritual or ceremony that you know well. As you write, pretend you are producing a multisensory documentary by describing what you have heard, seen, felt, tasted, and smelled. In other words, be as objective as possible; do not include personal responses to what you have experienced.
 
 
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4:42 AM
@DavidWallace I imagine that depends on context
 
OK, so it's just me. I can cope.
 
5:00 AM
@DavidWallace I didn't say that either :-)
 
 
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7:03 AM
@Jolenealaska - I'm so tempted to put a comment under yours, something like "You don't need a plasma steriliser if you've got a nuclear reactor you can put it in".
 
7:59 AM
@DavidWallace Are you suggesting that a plasma sterilizer would be overkill? Pah!
 
Maybe the OP could have NASA launch their drink bottle towards the sun.
I must confess to being not 100% sure whether Wayfaring Stranger was actually serious.
I have just watched the Derren Brown episode, in which he had some guy assassinate Stephen Fry. It is tremendously scary. Have you seen it?
 
 
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9:08 AM
morning all, if indeed there is anyone there.
Wait, I can see someone lurking behind that tree - come out: come out, I say!
 
>.>
<.<
 
<i'm hiding>
 
You got me
 
i knew it
 
I'm very annoyed with the Sci-fi board here.
 
9:12 AM
wait - the two of you were behind that tree? well, well, well
got to pass the time somehow I suppose
 
<sincker>
 
@Jolenealaska what have they done? do we need to form a Seasoned Advice posse to sort them out?
 
It soooo reminds me of my first few posts here.
I posted a question I find strangely fascinating.
It has accumulated A LOT of comments
but has been closed
I've just ordered the book (with paper and a spine and everything)
that may definitively answer the question
But, if it does...I can't even answer my own damn question.
 
I'm sure you can appeal to the mods
what was the question regarding?
 
I'll link it, hold on...
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Q: Worf attacking the Enterprise in the alternate YE timeline - Why Not?

Jolenealaska"Federation ship Enterprise, surrender and prepare to be boarded!" I love this scene in Yesterday's Enterprise and have frequently considered the possibility of Worf delivering that line. Michael Dorn's voice would have been instantly recognizable to fans (that's always fun, to be a bit more in ...

 
9:23 AM
I like Star Trek, but that's too in depth for me :)
I'm fairly sure the only answer to the question has it right
In other words, you care about it more than the writers ;)
I saw one of the best episodes the other day, I don't recall the name, but it's where Picard is captured by the Cardassians, and the Cardassian torturer tries to make Picard admit there are 5 lights when there are only 4
"There are ... 4 ... lights!"
Chain of Command
 
I'm certain those two were running the studio for that episode
not the director
when you hire a pro, and you let them work, you get stuff like that
fantastic episode
 
episodes, as it happens
two parter
"and now the conclusion" /majelbarret
interesting trivia from IMDB
> Actor David Warner took over the role of Gul Madred on three days' notice. He couldn't learn his lines in that short time, so he had to use cue cards. "Every line I said, I actually was reading it over Patrick Stewart's shoulder or they put it down there for me to do it. After I finished it, I thought it worked, which obviously it did."
 
@ElendilTheTall "There are four lights" is one of the most iconic lines in all of the Star Trek universe. Sir Patrick Stewart is amazingly, incredibly, indescribably awesome.
 
Heck, it's one of the most iconic lines in television
 
Yes
And the best cliffhanger in television history:
"Mr Worf, Fire"
 
9:36 AM
Ahah, you found an audience here already.
 
Do you know that one?
hehe...I picked up a straggler :)
@BESW this is my home...
 
@Jolenealaska Riker ordering Worf to fire on a Borg Cube with an assimilated Picard on board.
 
@BESW yes, that's the moment. Cliffhangers weren't really done yet.
It was a kind of novel concept
 
Well, the big problem was that they were coming up with cliffhangers without knowing how to resolve them.
It was basically a (rather silly, in retrospect) bid to keep from getting cancelled between seasons.
 
Nobody (cast or writers) knew how it was going to end
Even keeping Sir Stewart for the next season was "in the air"
@ElendilTheTall the weirdness about the whole thing is that I am nobody there. It's funny how differently we are treated after we've paid a few "dues". Know what I mean?
 
9:45 AM
@Jolenealaska Over in sf.se? Yeah, well. Science fiction and fantasy is a fractious topic at best, only marginally suited for an SE site, and the majority of its citizens show up, ask a single question, and then vanish forever.
 
@Jolenealaska have you tidied your room young lady?
 
But yes, coming to a new SE site is a bizarre experience. It's all so familiar, yet the policies and practices are subtly different and you have to re-introduce yourself all over again.
Speaking of which, hi! [waves]
 
@BESW Hmm...I read every question tagged ST:TNG since that is the only subject I can discuss with any geeky knowledge. Of everything I'd really like to know about the thinking of the authors, the question that was closed is the one that fascinates me.
 
@BESW In order to be welcome here, answer me these questions three...
1. Do you like the Lord of the Rings movies?
 
"Can you, in fact, cook a salmon in the dishwasher?"
 
9:50 AM
2. Do you eat seafood?
3. How far can a dog run into a wood?
 
1. They were good spectacle, and vitally important in setting the stage for other films I like much better which wouldn't have ever been considered if LotR hadn't been such a success.
 
@BESW hmmm, ambiguous enough to pass, but you could've gained a distinction by denouncing them as the filthy money-grabbing rape of a masterpiece that they were. Proceed.
 
2. Only fish, not shellfish. Living on an island can be pretty cool that way.
3. Halfway, or until it gets lost, whichever comes first.
 
@BESW Also a pass, but you could have again gained a distinction by following Elendil's First Law, never eat anything with less than two legs or more than four.
 
And for the bonus question: I wouldn't know, I've never had an automatic dishwasher.
 
9:53 AM
@BESW Pass with distinction for 'until it gets lost'
 
I do the cooking for my family, but it's a combination of "healthy vegetarian," "simple, cheap ingredients," and "can't spend a lot of time in the kitchen" which I've found makes it hard for me to find a cooking community.
 
Congratulations, you are welcome here in the Frying Pan
 
(And between not having a lot of time and not having a dishwasher, I also dislike recipes that require a lot of dishes.)
 
You may ask your questions or make your small talk as you see fit :)
 
And you get a distinction for not actually going through with the tired, boring Monty Python bit.
 
9:55 AM
@ElendilTheTall "filthy money-grabbing rape of a masterpiece" Is the 1998 Les Miserables with Liam Neeson - Terrible, terrible film (despite excellent acting) - Hugo would be appalled.
 
So, what manner of cooking approaches are on display here?
 
You name it
That's what we are all about.
From the most basic, to the most obscure
 
I see.
 
May I show you a few of which I am proud?
 
Sure.
 
10:02 AM
I favour cooking with a complex system of magnifying glasses channelling the mighty power of the Sun
 
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A: What's the best approach to get runny-yolk sunny side up fried eggs?

JolenealaskaModerate heat, eggs at room temperature, non-stick egg pan (8" is good, with gently sloping sides) with a tight lid. Melt butter in the egg pan until it stops foaming. Crack your eggs into a bowl so you've got more control when you add them to the egg pan. Cook uncovered until just the bottoms of...

 
@ElendilTheTall Hmm. Sounds like it'd be rough during the cloudier months.
 
@BESW yes, I'm reduced to using a 40W bulb
In July, I can immolate a turkey in 14 seconds
in October, I can slightly warm part of the skin in 3 days
but thems the breaks!
@Jolenealaska I have still to try an interesting egg poaching technique I saw a while ago
 
This is the kind of thing I do: brown rice in a rice cooker with onion, garlic, soy sauce, Tabasco, pepper, and imitation Worcestershire; sauté onion, garlic, carrot, and Tender Bits in olive oil (we have an awesome cast iron pan); mix together and fry to taste.
 
namely, holding the uncracked eggs in the water for 10 seconds before breaking, to set the whites slightly
@BESW O.o
 
10:04 AM
@BESW - He's giving you shit. We heard all about his great Christmas dinner.
 
@Jolenealaska The secret is pre-cooking in August.
@ElendilTheTall Is that a good O.o or a bad O.o?
 
@BESW that's a holding in the vomit O.o
 
@ElendilTheTall I've recently heard that egg trick. I haven't tried it yet. I wonder if something related to that might be an answer to a question I just posted.
@BESW Are you a vegan?
 
@Jolenealaska Heh. My mom's vegetarian, my dad's a steak-and-potatoes Midwest guy, and I'm cooking on a budget and a limited time frame.
 
Hmmm..I'm doing experiments with really great Ramen
 
10:08 AM
On the balance, we're a moderate vegetarian household at the dinner table and every month or so my dad goes out to a steak restaurant.
 
@BESW I see from your profile you're a fan of Thief
 
@Jolenealaska Very nice. Every now and then I think I should get a carton of eggs and do fun things with them, but twelve eggs between two people makes it hard to finish before they go bad.
 
So you live with your parents but sometimes cook? And need to stick to a "student-type" budjet?
 
@Jolenealaska Rather.
 
I fucking loved that series, and the world in which it was set.
 
10:10 AM
@ElendilTheTall which one?
 
I live with my folks so I can help take care of my dad, and part of that is cooking all the dinners.
 
@BESW I have never had an egg go bad...
 
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@BESW I see from your profile you're a fan of Thief
 
@Jolenealaska You may get your eggs fresher than we do...
@ElendilTheTall Aye, I've only played about half of one of the games, but it was enough to ask a friend to use it for a Fate Core campaign.
 
such great writing
 
10:13 AM
(I'm not a very avid video gamer, for a number of reasons. My all-time favorite is probably Riven.)
 
@BESW A flat of eggs from the grocery...expiration date about a month out...sometimes I eat them long past that date...I keep them in the fridge...you?
 
@BESW wow, that's going back a ways
 
@Jolenealaska We're lucky if they've got a week left on the expiry. And yes, 'fridge.
I live on an island in the middle of the Western Pacific, 14 degrees above the equator roughly south of Tokyo.
 
@BESW OK, I'm intrigued, where are you from?
 
@ElendilTheTall ...yes.
@Jolenealaska Guam.
(As @ElendilTheTall has already figured out.)
 
10:16 AM
My problem is that I am an extremely bad typist, I miss things in real time chat.
staring at the keyboard
 
Ah, duly noted.
Elendil's been poking my profile page.
 
Funny. I have loved one RPG ever. It's ancient, but I'd love to play it again. It's free to download, but I can't make it work.
 
Oh? Which one?
I have little-to-no experience with non-tabletop RPGs, but...
 
I'm going to age myself
Betrayal at Krondor
 
[pokes Internet] Ah. I... have seen this.
 
10:23 AM
At the time, it was like Star Wars...It changed everyting
 
Looks like the best way to play it now is for $6 off Good Old Games.
 
> "Bricky Roads They Trappers Grass,
Stoney Walls They Trappers Wind,
Iron Stove It Trappers Fire.
Trappers Is We By The Works Of Hands,
And Forgets Us We Were Ever Free."
 
@ElendilTheTall I'm still working on getting my friend to do the Pagan voices.
 
@BESW is he a pagan?
 
@ElendilTheTall No.
 
10:30 AM
there's your problem
 
Alas, he's not the kind of GM who really gets into the NPC roles easily.
 
@BESW I would happily buy Betrayal at Krondor from that site, but I'm afraid it will be all buggy like the free downloads I have tried of that title. Have you ever installed and played games from that site?
 
@Jolenealaska I have! I was very pleased, more so than with services like Steam or the Apple Store.
 
Do they have human tech support if I cant make it work?
 
10:32 AM
seriously considering getting this
perhaps the best atmosphere of any game, ever
there was a mission called Down in the Bonehoard that was just unbelievable
 
@Jolenealaska Hmm. I'll check, never needed it.
 
OK, I've never immersed myself in a game like I did Krondor
 
....yes, they have an hours-specific "contact us" form which tells me they have live support staff in Europe who respond to queries.
 
What I liked most is that it was completly turn based
 
Though apparently there was a mission in the third thief game called The Crucible that was the most terrifying thing in any game, ever
 
10:35 AM
I have no interest in anything that requires reflexes
 
@ElendilTheTall Sweet Luna on the Moon, is that the bit in the haunted-house-cum-orphanage-cum-insane-asylum?
 
I do love a compelling story
 
@Jolenealaska I will... tolerate reflex-based systems, if they're well designed, if the rest of the game is worth it.
It's telling that my favorite games are those like Riven and Fate of Atlantis.
 
I have Multiple Sclerosis. Any reflex requirements at all make the game not fun for me.
 
10:37 AM
@Jolenealaska Ooh, my sympathies.
 
how awesome would an open-world Thief game be?
 
Bah, that's just something about games...no reflex requirements...great story...that's what I would want.
@ElendilTheTall Does "theif" require reflexes?
 
@Jolenealaska Alas, yes.
 
@Jolenealaska I suppose so
 
It's a sneaky game mostly, but when you need reflexes you certainly need them to be good.
 
10:41 AM
it depends how good you are - if you're a master thief, you barely need them :)
 
@ElendilTheTall You still have to time your passes between guards and not blunder into random objects.
In Deadly Shadows I have the most horrid time accidentally picking up candlesticks and then failing to put them down gently.
 
one thing that always bugged me - why the hell does the world's greatest thief wear hard-soled boots?
you walk on a tile floor - CLICK CLACK, CLICK CLACK
 
@ElendilTheTall He stepped on a thumbtack as a child, and never fully recovered from the trauma.
 
@BESW that's the kind of quick backstory building I expect from a GM ;)
 
Ok, knowing what you know about what makes a game fun for me (completely turn based is a basic requirement) What game would either of you recommend that tells an awesome story? Old graphics don't bother me at all.
 
10:43 AM
@Jolenealaska hmmmmmm
 
@Jolenealaska Riven. [grin]
 
not a great many turn based games these days
 
rivin?
 
No, not Riven
 
(GOG.com) (PC only)(Steam) (PC only)SaturnSummer 1997PlayStationPocket PC iOS}} | genre = Graphic adventure | modes = Single-player | ratings = | media = CD (5), DVD (1), download | requirements = | input = }} Riven is a puzzle adventure game and the sequel to Myst. Developed by Cyan Worlds, it was initially published by Red Orb Entertainment, a division of Brøderbund. Riven was distributed on five compact discs and released on October 29, 1997, in North America; it was later released on a single DVD-ROM, with improved audio and a fourteen-minute "making-of" video. In addition to the PC ...
 
10:43 AM
@ElendilTheTall that's why I don't play
 
Myst and Riven are the kind of games your dad played
 
Nearly anything from LucasArts would probably qualify.
 
because he couldn't handle anything more complex
ooooo, Grim Fandango
or Broken Sword
 
I played Myst - :) I'm the same age as SAJ
 
not turn-based per se, but click based adventure games
so nothing happens in real time
 
10:45 AM
@ElendilTheTall Name one game today which requires the equivalent of extrapolating the numbers 11 through 24 of a base-five non-Arabic numeral system from its first ten digits.
 
The important thing is that I have all the time I want or need to "click"
 
@BESW who would want to do that?
@Jolenealaska then either of those is fine
 
@ElendilTheTall [raises hand]
 
@BESW you stand alone ,sir
;)
 
And the story of the Myst games is quite superb--at least, when they're focusing on the nuclear family dynamic.
 
10:46 AM
@Jolenealaska you could also look at the Baldur's Gate series, which are turn based, and are basically D&D on your computer
 
I lost interest in Myst, I don't remember why
 
(Exile was a shame, really. It's the only time I've ever seen Brad Dourif fail to play an insane character well.)
 
@Jolenealaska you have taste
 
@Jolenealaska Eh, the original Myst game had some pretty major flaws in its execution.
 
Baldur's Gate rings a bell
 
10:47 AM
Riven is the crown jewel of the franchise.
Let's see...
 
Riven is Balder's Gate?
 
@Jolenealaska No, I don't have much to say about Baldur's Gate, not having played it.
 
OK, I actually would like to start a game that would waste way too much of my time.//
 
Baldur's Gate II is a massive game
 
10:50 AM
You could probably ask Arqade; if you provide enough qualifiers it would probably pass muster with policy.
 
Hmm...I don't know if I want massive
@BESW I have know idea what you just said.
 
Arqade is the SE video/computer gaming site.
Normally "shopping" questions are shut down by SE sites.
But if you can put together a specific enough set of criteria....
 
I'm, not asking SE, I'm asking @BESW and @ElendilTheTall.
Does Rivin require feflexes?
 
@Jolenealaska Not at all.
 
Good Story?
 
10:54 AM
@Jolenealaska I think it's superb, and well-told through playing, rather than through cut scenes.
 
I like that
 
The Myst franchise is, at its heart, the story of a dysfunctional family.
 
Can you show me a link to see more and download? A site you trust?
 
OMFN-EG! Crusader: No Remorse!!!
@Jolenealaska for what, Riven?
 
10:57 AM
@Jolenealaska I'd use Good Old Games.
Riven is an immersive point-and-click slideshow game.
The interface is rather dated, but it's aged well because they never tried to overstep the bounds of what their software could do.
 
@BESW Translation: a glorified Powerpoint presentation
 
Hmm...I didn't realize it was a sequel to Myst. That's a turn-off I can't quite explain.
 
@Jolenealaska Understood. Myst had some pretty fundamental implementation flaws.
 

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