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3:00 AM
I have new bone grafts in both, and some sinus facial reconstruction done that I'm not completely clear on.
 
That sounds pretty serious.
Can you eat?
Speak?
 
Only one the one side of the mouth, and not yet. I'm up to yogurt and such. Ice cream. No chewing.
 
I'm very sorry to hear that!
 
I'd rather not speak. Hurts a little to move the mouth.
The bupivacaine is super long lasting. The worst pain will be about 48h out.
 
How awful.
And all this occurred in a very short time?
I mean until you went to see a doctor.
 
3:02 AM
As I recall, most implants need to be replaced every 10-15 years. But of course that's from wear and tear, not catastrophic jaw-fracturing nightmare wounds.
Anyway this has successfully scared me out of any remaining thought of getting that implant.
 
@Cerberus Yes. Sometime over the weekend, the breakage of the bone happened when the second implant failed so badly. I was at the oral surgeon's office at 7am waiting. But I've been in and out of this or that dentist and this or that surgeon all day getting a handle on it. I did not work. I could not sleep much at all last night.
 
I have one tooth implant, but not a real hardcore one, I guess; there were some remains of the previous tooth, and through these a crew was screwed in
Life was so tough for people in the 19th century and earlier, without any kind of modern dentistry.
 
I shall communicate my sympathy to tchrist by digging up his neighbor's garden and leaving whatever I don't eat on his doorstep, with scratch marks saying "Get Well Soon" in Raccoon.
 
I have, or had had, implants in teeth two, three, and four. Tooth one is gone because it was pulled when I was 24 or 25 since my mouth was too small and it was coming in impacted. It was tooth four that broke in my mouth about six weeks ago: the metal itself broke. It was three that broke my bone structure over the weekend. These are two very different things, and two very different recovery surgeries. But the first bone graft failed for four, so I had 3+4 both regrafted.
 
@tchrist And is this bone in the jaw, and it pulled with it a longer section away from the jaw?
 
3:07 AM
@Cerberus No, upper not lower.
Teeth one, two, three, four are counting in from the back on top right.
It's cheek bone, I guess.
I do have some referred facial pain right now. Nerves are weird.
Teeth one through three are molars, so double-rooted.
Tooth four was a single root.
 
I'm still uncertain how an implant in the jaw can pull away a part of the skull such that a sinus is exposed? I thought sinus and teeth were far apart?
 
@Cerberus Not on top, they aren't.
 
Hmm.
 
Another adventure I once had was when that tooth root got infected when I had a sinus infection. It was screaming painful, and they had to give me IV hydromorphone at the emergency room just so I could rest. That was maybe 10 or 12 years ago. I got a root canal for that one that day later. The implant came when the dead tooth could no longer be repaired after it cracked later.
So the root extended into the sinus.
> Some patients have dental roots that extend right into their maxillary sinus cavity. This makes it easier for bacteria to pass from a diseased tooth into the sinuses or from infected sinuses creating inflammation around the tooth.
People have different anatomies. Yours may not do this. Mine did, and do. Not fun.
 
Oh, I had no idea that roots could grow there.
It is like a horror story.
 
3:14 AM
I'm also a much smaller person than you are.
I'm 5'8 and you're like 6'1 or 6'2 IIRC.
Small features, but the damned teeth have to go somewhere.
 
Is teeth size independent of skull size?
 
They should not be.
 
I mean, you suggested that someone with a smaller skull might still have the same size of teeth/roots?
 
But it varies. On my mother's side we have small mouths, too small to hold them all normally. I have unusual palatal nerve anatomy as well.
@Cerberus I think that must be what's going on. I had no room for my wisdom teeth. Mom had all her teeth removed at age 24 or 25; I remember how horrible that was.
My maternal grandmother was 4'10.
 
That sounds incredibly gory and painful. I'm sorry.
 
3:18 AM
All her teeth, or only all her wisdom teeth?
 
She could have kept the wisdom teeth. All her teeth. Too much trouble.
My maternal grandfather's family were a little taller, but not giants. Still they had 6' tall women there.
 
Why were all her teeth removed?
 
Because the enamel never formed right.
So they were constantly falling apart.
I keep thinking of how mobility challenged my parents had already become at my current age. And I walk another mile to chase away the foreboding.
 
I see.
It is good that you walk a lot.
Wholesome.
 
It is. It is the best thing you can do for yourself.
All my grandparents had false teeth. It's what they did back then.
 
3:22 AM
They say exercise and low belly fat help against many diseases.
 
I still have more belly fat than I want, but I'm not obese.
 
I don't get much exercise.
I mean, I cycle on most days, but that is only a short distance. And I normally do daily push-ups, but that is only a minute or two.
 
Visceral fat is pretty bad to have.
 
@tchrist Good!
@tchrist Yes.
 
The obesity rate in this county in unthinkable.
 
3:24 AM
It used to be that the richest countries were the fattest.
 
God the banshees are still howling. It's been roaring at up to 90 mph all day. Tearing things apart.
 
Nowadays, Europe is less fat than the average in the world, can you believe it?
And we have become fatter and fatter...
 
It's complex.
 
It's MOSTLY tied to inactivity and a terrible, terrible diet.
 
3:25 AM
Obesity even going down in Europe, really?
@tchrist Especially the diet.
 
And not cooking your own food from scratch out of basic ingredients. The "ultra-processed food" problem.
 
Quality and quantity.
Like portion sizes.
 
We had an article about that in my newspaper recently.
Conclusion: it is probably almost all about the calories.
Not about processing per se.
Some types of food may make people eat more.
 
But calories that cost nothing hurt you more.
 
3:28 AM
Yes, that.
But some people think that processed is worse than non-processed, ceteris paribus, where calorie count is a ceterum.
 
Growing up we always, always had a side salad with every supper, no matter Mom was cooking or Grandma was. But this was the cook-from-scratch era.
 
Which is mostly not really true, so it seems.
 
And we grew our own vegetables in summer. We canned a lot, too.
 
Nice.
Though I read that lettuce does not contain that many good nutrients?
 
When Grandma made chicken-noodle soup, she made the egg noodles from scratch as well.
 
3:30 AM
That is a bit of work.
Are egg noodles authentically Asian, by the way?
 
@Cerberus Not too many in lettuce, but "salad" for us never meant just lettuce the way it does in some places in Europe. It always had carrots and bell peppers and cucumbers and tomatoes and such as well. So it was mostly a way to get colorful raw veggies, not just to get lettuce. But dark lettuce is better.
 
Exercise rates have actually been increasing in the US over the past couple decades.
 
@Cerberus She used to be a cook out at a resort. And my paternal grandmother learned from her father, a German baker.
 
@tchrist Tomatoes contain some vitamins; I don't know about fibres. I think carrots contain both. Cucumbers, probably not too many?
 
Cucumbers not too many.
What this added up to, though, was a lot more fiber in the diet then.
Restaurant salads often don't have enough fiber.
 
3:35 AM
So I can imagine.
 
Restaurant salads have utterly absurd amounts of added sugar. Not even just in the dressing; they find ways to hide sugar everywhere.
 
@alphabet You mean any restaurant food. And also fat!
Fat is probably the worst.
 
We ate "dark" veggies a lot growing up. Beets, broccoli, carrots, "winter" squash. Those are better than light colored ones.
 
@Cerberus Salads tend to be especially egregious in this regard, often worse than other restaurant foods.
 
But we also ate zucchini all the time, a summer squash.
 
3:36 AM
@tchrist Also "dark lettuce"?
@alphabet Hmm I would never orde those anyway.
 
Vegetables are disgusting unless doused in unhealthy garbage.
 
@Cerberus Yes. Mom didn't buy or grow iceberg lettuce. She founded a "health/natural food store" around 1970.
 
I usually avoid them and I haven't died yet.
 
I can't remember all the lettuce types we grew. Bibb was just one of many.
 
I have not heard of that.
 
3:38 AM
Hm.
 
So I don't know what to think of when hearing dark lettuce.
Iceberg is the lightest.
Normal lettuce is darker.
 
In the UK, Bibb might be called Boston or butter lettuce?
We also grew some that had some red in it. Can't remember the name.
And we would gather watercress wild.
 
Oh we have butter lettuce.
 
Damn it, I'm hungry and I can't really eat.
 
It is similar to ordinary lettuce.
Water cress is good.
 
3:40 AM
I have some raspberry sorbet.
 
For some reason iceberg lettuce has a very strong, nasty taste to me. Apparently everyone else thinks it's flavorless but I always notice it.
 
Lettuce pray
 
Do it help at all to think of this as a way to get rid of some visceral fat?
 
@Cerberus Most Americans have forgotten that cress is even a thing. The English have not. My family have not.
 
I love brussels sprouts, but they are as expensive as gold here.
 
3:41 AM
@Cerberus I did consider that.
 
@alphabet Iceberg can be bitter. But less so if you remove the big grain in the middle of each leaf.
 
@CowperKettle Oh we definitely had brussels sprouts growing up, from the garden.
 
@Cerberus Hmm. People seem to think I'm crazy when I describe my hatred of it.
 
Didn't grow cabbage ourselves, although others in the family did and we ate it plenty.
 
@tchrist Hmm I think you may be able to buy it in supermarkets here. Real markets certainly have it.
@CowperKettle Funny. Here they are cheap. I like them too, especially with some cheese and/or spek.
 
3:42 AM
@Cerberus It can be tricky to find it here.
 
Yes, cress on sandwiches can be had anywhere in England at the convenience stores that sell all those many sandwiches.
 
@alphabet But don't you think the grains of ordinary lettuce leaves are also bitter?
 
Beet greens were a separate side dish from beets proper.
 
Yup my supermarket has it.
> Prijs per KG ā‚¬ 26,53
 
I think Whole Foods carries it here these days, but I doubt anywhere else does. But we knew where it grew wild. I don't think you could buy it in the stores when I was little. You had to forage on your own for it. Which we loved to do every spring.
 
3:44 AM
Markets?
 
> I murmur under moon and stars
In brambly wildernesses;
I linger by my shingly bars;
I loiter round my cresses.
 
Or did you not live near a city with market privileges?
 
@Cerberus All kinds of lettuce. But iceberg seems unusually bad.
 
The Brook, by Tennyson.
I knew it by heart 10 years ago.
 
A market town is a settlement most common in Europe that obtained by custom or royal charter, in the Middle Ages, a market right, which allowed it to host a regular market; this distinguished it from a village or city. In Britain, small rural towns with a hinterland of villages are still commonly called market towns, as sometimes reflected in their names (e.g. Downham Market, Market Rasen, or Market Drayton). Modern markets are often in special halls, but this is a recent development, and the rise of permanent retail establishments has reduced the need for periodic markets. Historically the markets...
@alphabet Have you tried removing the grains?
 
3:45 AM
@Cerberus That's more of a UK thing.
We had lots of farmstands everywhere though.
 
Or would you call it a vein?
 
@Cerberus Why, when you can just refuse to eat most vegetables and ignore any evidence that this is a bad idea?
 
Why, indeed.
 
But not till July, really. Watercress came in earlier.
 
If I die, I'll do so in the knowledge that I didn't waste any of my precious life choking down broccoli.
 
3:48 AM
We foraged for a lot of tasty foods.
Not just wild asparagus. :)
 
@alphabet What if you add enough strong cheese or bacon on it?
I ate what edible plants we had around.
Daisies.
 
@Cerberus Wouldn't that kinda defeat the purpose?
 
You don't need much strong cheese to make it taste really good.
I always use Parmigiano / Grana Padano.
 
There was never a Queen like Balkis,
From here to the wide world's end;
But Balkis talked to a butterfly
As you would talk to a friend.


There was never a King like Solomon,
Not since the world began;
But Solomon talked to a butterfly
As a man would talk to a man.


She was Queen of Sabaeaā€”
And he was Asia's Lord
But they both of 'em talked to butterflies
When they took their walks abroad.
 
> You can find wild edibles just about anywhere, even as close as your back yard. But did you know you can forage on state-owned properties in Wisconsin? Please be aware of the rules that apply.

As granted by state law, foraging at state parks, forests, natural areas, recreation and wildlife areas does not require a permit for the following:

Edible fruits such as apples, plums, pears, blueberries, raspberries, blackberries, juneberries and strawberries;
Edible nuts like walnuts, hickory nuts, acorns and other similar nuts from trees and shrubs;
 
3:50 AM
Yes you do. The appropriate ratio is one wheel of cheese per piece of broccoli. And you have to throw out the broccoli first.
 
I recently taught old friends from my hometown about foraging for wood sorrel, oxalis. They'd seen it all their lives but never knew how tasty it is.
Goes with lamb's quarters and young dandelion greens.
 
Really, try it.
 
Oxalis latifolia is a species of flowering plant in the woodsorrel family known by the common names garden pink-sorrel and broadleaf woodsorrel. It is native to Mexico and parts of Central and South America. == Description == This is a perennial herb growing from a system of small bulbs and spreading via stolons. There is no stem. The leaves arise on long petioles from ground level, each made up of three widely heart-shaped leaflets about 4.5 centimeters wide. The inflorescence is an array of several flowers, each with five pink petals (some varieties have white flowers). === Invasive...
 
I think ours is from Europe, that escaped. Checking.
> The flowers of oxalis corniculata are yellow, contain 5 petals, and form in clusters of 1 - 5 at the end of slender stems. Creeping woodsorrel spreads by seeds. Creeping woodsorrel is found in eastern North America, to North Dakota and Colorado.
Oxalis stricta, called the common yellow woodsorrel (or simply yellow woodsorrel), common yellow oxalis, upright yellow-sorrel, lemon clover, or more ambiguously and informally "sourgrass", "sheep weed", or "pickle plant", is a herbaceous plant native to North America, parts of Eurasia, and a rare introduction in Britain. It tends to grow in woodlands, meadows, and in disturbed areas as both a perennial and annual. Erect when young, this plant later becomes decumbent as it lies down, and branches regularly. It is not to be confused with similar plants in the same genus which are also often referred...
Tastes super lemony!
The leaves, the pods, the flowers, everything.
Oh and sumac berries. We'd use that to make Indian Lemonade in the summer, all pink and sour.
Various wild alliums.
Didn't like chicory.
 
I uploaded some 5 Gb of music to Google Drive, moved them to my smartphone; then deleted the mp3 files from Google Drive - but it remains 99% full. Odd.
 
3:59 AM
There was something with cattails that I forget. Too long ago.
 
@CowperKettle Does it have a rubbish bin that needs to be emptied?
 
@tchrist Catfoot.
 
@Cerberus It has, but it indicates that it's empty
 
Catsfoot?
 
4:00 AM
Did you know that there's an entire "foragers" movement these days? A pleasant resurgent.
 
@CowperKettle Maybe a bug, or it needs some time to update.
 
This analysis tool shows that somehow the music, the whole 5 Gb, is still there, but I can't see it nor remove it.
 
@Cerberus No, pussytoes are something else, a dicot forb. Cattails are big tall marshy monocots.
 
Catfeet?
 
Typha is a genus of about 30 species of monocotyledonous flowering plants in the family Typhaceae. These plants have a variety of common names, in British English as bulrush or reedmace, in American English as reed, cattail, or punks, in Australia as cumbungi or bulrush, in Canada as bulrush or cattail, and in New Zealand as reed, cattail, bulrush or raupo. Other taxa of plants may be known as bulrush, including some sedges in Scirpus and related genera. The genus is largely distributed in the Northern Hemisphere, where it is found in a variety of wetland habitats. The rhizomes are edible, though...
 
4:01 AM
Glechoma hederacea is an aromatic, perennial, evergreen creeper of the mint family Lamiaceae. It is commonly known as ground-ivy, gill-over-the-ground, creeping charlie, alehoof, tunhoof, catsfoot, field balm, and run-away-robin. It is also sometimes known as creeping jenny, but that name more commonly refers to Lysimachia nummularia. It is used as a salad green in many countries. European settlers carried it around the world, and it has become a well-established introduced and naturalized plant in a wide variety of localities. It is also considered an aggressive invasive weed of woodlands and...
Catsfoot.
I ate this as a child.
 
Ah.
 
From the garden.
In Dutch, hondsdraf.
Dog's strut.
 
@Cerberus Ah! I found a link on a Google Help forum that leads to a link where you can remove files from your dustbin. But this link is nowhere to be seen in my original account. So Byzantine in its complexity.
 
Yes, there were also many wild mints that you could forage. Four-sided stems marks it as a mint.
 
@CowperKettle Ugh!
 
4:02 AM
@CowperKettle Thus is the nature of Man.
@Cerberus Oh that's Creeping Jenny!
She goes with Creeping Charlie. Creeping Charlie is such a pest!
 
The article says it is also called creeping charlie.
 
Wait, these are the same thing?
 
And Hoppin' John is a delicacy.
 
okay
 
I suspect there may be different variants, with differently coloured flowers, perhaps?
 
4:04 AM
"Hoppin' John, Creeping Charlie". A good title for a movie
 
Washington Post, 2 years ago.
> Every generation, it seems, has its wild foods moment. During the
Depression, people ate wild-growing weeds such as dandelions out
of necessity. In the 1960s and ā€™70s, wild foods were embraced by
hippies heading back to the land; they were also popularized by
Euell Gibbons, who wrote books such as ā€œStalking the Wild Asparagusā€
and evangelized about foraging on TV. In the past few decades, a
sort of elite foraging movement has emerged, most notably in
Scandinavia, where celebrity chefs like René Redzepi have ridden
 
4:29 AM
I lived in wooded hills for a while. The three-acre yard had minersā€™ lettuce, eaten by California gold miners for, I think, the vitamin C. It was horribly bitter. There was also lots of poison oak. Many varieties of mushrooms appeared after the rainy season; one was seriously poisonous.
So much for foraging.
 
5:09 AM
> Albuterol increases energy expenditure by 10-15 percent at a therapeutic dose for asthma and around 25 percent at a higher, oral dose. In several human studies, albuterol increased lean body mass, reduced fat mass, and caused lipolysis; it has been studied for use as an anti-obesity and anti-muscle wasting medication when taken orally.[48][49]
An anti-asthma drug. Interesting.
Claytonia perfoliata, commonly known as miner's lettuce, rooreh, Indian lettuce, or winter purslane, is a flowering plant in the family Montiaceae. It is an edible, fleshy, herbaceous, annual plant native to the western mountain and coastal regions of North America. == Description == Claytonia perfoliata is a tender rosette-forming plant that grows to some 30 centimetres (12 inches) in height, but mature plants can be as short as 1 cm (3ā„8 in). The cotyledons are usually bright green (rarely purplish- or brownish-green), succulent, long and narrow. The first true leaves form a rosette at the base...
> It was first recorded in the wild in Britain in South Hampshire in 1849 and is still spreading.
 
 
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ApoB seems to be the better test of cholesterol than LDL-C and HDL-C and triglycerides academic.oup.com/eurheartj/advance-article/doi/10.1093/…
 
 
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10:18 AM
> Using the learned helplessness mouse model, we tested if susceptibility or recovery were affected by deficiency in either of two receptors that initiate inflammatory signaling, Toll-like receptor-4 (TLR4) and TLR2, using knockout male mice. TLR4-/- mice displayed a strong resistance to learned helplessness, confirming that blocking inflammatory signaling through TLR4 provides robust protection against this depression-like behavior.
> Surprisingly, TLR2-/- mice displayed increased susceptibility to learned helplessness, indicating that TLR2-mediated signaling counteracts susceptibility.
So, TLR2 and TLR4 are like two knobs that either push us towards or from learned helplessness
People with keratoconus have elevated expression of both TLR2 and TLR4 on their blood monocytes minerva.usc.es/xmlui/handle/10347/22938
 
 
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> We found that once-weekly intermittent prednisone rescued muscle quality in aged 24-month-old mice to levels comparable to young 4-month-old mice.
Wait... what?
 
 
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1:57 PM
@CowperKettle wait . . . What?
@CowperKettle salbutamol / albuterol is one of the oldest beta agonists
Bad news: The side effects of systemic use are severe.
It's generally a bad idea to mess with the body's adrenergic system
Which is why it's an inhaler, so it would mostly only exert local pulmonary effect
It's not surprising that it enhances lipolysis. Adipose tissue famously has beta3 receptors. But anti-obesity drugs based on this mechanism have failed so far.
Mirabegron, a beta3 agonist, is instead used for symptomatic treatment of an enlarged prostate. Because there are beta3 receptors there as well.
A testament to how widespread beta receptors are
So systemic (I.e. oral) albuterol would induce potentially dangerous tachycardia. And tremor, which isn't very dangerous but pretty discouraging
@CowperKettle maybe YouTubers should worry about how AI will replace them first
AI's role as entertainer is developing fast, but it won't replace skilled labor any time soon
@CowperKettle several useful biomarkers for dyslipidemia have been suggested. If they become more commonly commercially available doctors would be willing to pursue such lab findings
Lp(a) is also very useful diagnostically. Would make treatment sound less like shooting into the dark.
Fortunately, statins and fibrates are very good arrows
 
2:28 PM
@M.A.R. AI can't make cringe videos.
 
@Vikas ...yet.
 
2:44 PM
@Vikas I'm pretty sure AI videos can be pretty cringe sometimes, but not on purpose.
 
2:59 PM
"It could have been he" or "It could have been him"?
(vis-a-vis British english)
In american, I think the latter goes through.
 
3:32 PM
I feel like all the tea spilling over the tea spilling question is spilt tea.
Isn't it simply a metaphor... you're serving tea to others and as you serve it you spill a little, like having a conversation and you let out a little gossip.
Or here's another... everyone is sitting around drinking tea and someone says something shocking (like juicy gossip), so shocking that it startles someone enough to jiggle their outstretched pinkie and let spill a little tea from their cup.
 
@Koro "Him" is much more common (I think in both dialects); some people will tell you that "he" is the more "correct" version but it's now quite rare (outside of fixed phrases like "This is he").
 
That's what I get from the whole thing.
Also, I'm surprised that guy lasted this long, he was kind of a slow moving train wreck. Interesting new questions, but always tendentious.
Like, "what is the history of the meaning of the word 'nice'... and why are the people who changed it going to hell?"
 
@Mitch Ah, looks like he's suspended. (I suppose it could be a "she," but let's be real: it's usually men who act that way.)
Just stumbled on this interesting question about Australian English; it's been "answered" but the only answer is irrelevant and off-topic: english.stackexchange.com/questions/173731/…
 
Mar 9, 2017 at 17:20, by Mitch
it's always some dude
@alphabet I've found that the great majority of answers are simply an answerer picking keywords out of the OP and responding impulsively to things those words triggered.
As if the point is to just say something "I know something about a thing!"
Not only are we all Spartacus, we're also all ChatGPT.
It's amazing that it responds in correct English, the fact that it is related to the question at all is amazing.
 
4:08 PM
@CowperKettle > Once, I told a chemistry joke. There was no reaction.
2
 
5:06 PM
@Mitch I once pushed a physicist over twice. And he only pushed me back once.
 
 
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@jlliagre Your point confirmed: my hotel has a 0th floor.
 
6:51 PM
@Robusto That's going to be confusing. Can we just call it the Erdgeschoss
 
does underground parking have negative values
also, where is the double 0th floor
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7:19 PM
@user70432 in the shotgun wing
 
> My spiritual education, as a result, took place in a Unitarian church. We would spend six months studying one religionā€”going to its services, reading its books, having dialogues with its leadersā€”and then move on to the next. penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/291221/…
Interesting. I never knew that there was such a church
 
sounds very well rounded
@MetaEd is that where they have the weddings
 
7:53 PM
@alphabet he's duly bound in hide now
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Q: Is CoComelon hyperstimulating and harmful for children?

Evan CarrollI have a kid. He's enamored by CoComelon. The ability of CoComelon to captivate a child seems unique when compared to other shows. According to Newsweek Many parents reported addictive behaviors in their children, followed by tantrums when they attempted to wean them off the cartoon. Others attr...

"Many parents" rolls eyes
 
@M.A.R. Don't say his name three times in the mirror.
 
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, potentially bad keyword in answer (79): "Would have had to have been" vs "would have had to be" for past event conditionsā€­ by Kerrieā€­ on english.SE
 
9:55 PM
I ate too much rice for breakfast. Dang.
 
@user70432 yes, weddings and funerals
 
10:41 PM
Help. One of Hite-Jinro's factories had a defect to their Filite.
Though my dad isn't in charge of it, he's not good about it.
 
Sending great EL&U questions over to ELL is the new close-voting obsession:
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Q: Is this subject/verb agreement correct?

juancarlosYou are insane if dumb old you wants to do that. You are insane if dumb old you want to do that. You are insane if you want to do that. You are insane if you wants to do that. Which two of these sentences are correct and why? Very confusing to me and cannot find answer on google. thank you

 
@Araucaria-Him Agreed. Sometimes we get questions so basic that they can really only be from NNSs (and thus deserve migration) but this isn't one of them.
The answer seems right but should really cite reliable sources and/or go into more detail
I'm no language teacher, but "most uses of such constructions are quirky in tone and anyway fairly nonstandard[, so] learners of English should probably avoid them" strikes me as questionable advice.
I assume there's something in H&P about this somewhere
As Huddleston & Pullum state on p. 1279: "Anyone who thinks we don't adequately and thoroughly cover every possible topic is a big dumb dummy."
 
11:38 PM
Dumb old you wants to do that. Clear, right? Just add what is prepended. Dumb old you = third person singular. Just like: The boy wants to do that. Peoplet get semantically waylaid.
 
11:49 PM
@Lambie I feel like I'm being attacked with that question. Dumb old me? I may be stupid but I ain't dumb.
 
@Mitch I notice you're not arguing about "old"
 
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