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12:03 AM
@KitFox Just the way it sounds.
Japanese? How else would you say it?
dʒæpəniːz and not dʒəpæniːz
Huh. Well, if you say so.
12:25 AM
@Vitaly: "The brain's a very flexible piece of meat." No, it's not. It's not meat.
Also, I already feel like he uses too many contractions, and a radical hemispherectomy fits the futuristic setting like leeches and bleeding fits a modern context.
But I'll give it the whole chapter before I decide.
1:35 AM
Actually, it's not pronounced "Japanese" either — it's pronounced にほんご. ni-ho-n-go: four syllables.
So sez u.
So sez I and 100 million Japanese.
Yeah, but they don't really count, because they are speaking it.
I think they count just fine.
ichi, something, san, something...
1:39 AM
What do you think all those abacusae's are for?
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4:19 AM
Hello,,, is there anybody out there???
@Cerberus Are you here??
@Robusto @JSBngs Anybody?
@Skullpatrol Hi, I'm here for a few minutes.
What do you need?
I wanted to share with you some "definitions" of trolling.
Haha, you're still trolling, aren't you?
10 pages worth...
66 enters have been accepted!!!
Haha, yes.
It is a popular way to spend one's time on the internet.
4:27 AM
I can see this making its way into the OED eventually.
We could even set up a separate discussion room for moderators and others to talk about it.
@Cerberus What do you think?
Ehm well, I think I know enough about the subject for my present needs.
I didn't mean you in particular, I meant to set up general guide lines and talk about specific instances of it in various rooms.
Do you think I should present it to area 51?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 For the record, my impression is that the children were not necessarily declared homosexual because they were abused, but for other reasons; the castration was then seen as a logical step by the Church for homosexuals. But the fact that the children in this investigation were also abused may have been coincidental.
It was not entirely clear in the main newspapers here, but that seemed a more logical interpretation when I read it than that they were declared homosexual because they had been abused and complained about it. So there may be a connection, but it is not as clear as it appears to be in your article.
@Skullpatrol Eh I think it would be a bit too specific. Or are you honing your trolling skills on my now?
@Cerberus I just wanted your learned opinion, thank you.
Hmm so why are you so interested in trolling?
4:39 AM
I think "trollphobia" should be entered in the Urban Dictionary next.
I'm interested in any expression of thought...
@Skullpatrol Still talking about trolling?
@WillHunting Yep.
Wait, there is a research assistant badge?
Only Daniel has it, he's crazy about all the badges.
@WillHunting Post a link please.
4:54 AM
yesterday, by KitFox
@Vitaly I think you are thinking of it too literally.
@KitFox Yeah well, his vision of the future probably differs from yours, yeah. He assumes that there wasn't much progress with regards to rewiring when Siri was a kid (I don't remember the specific dates but I think it would have been in the 2030s or 2040s according in the novel's timeline), which is confirmed later in the book; also, there are notes and references at the end of the page where he justifies his poetic licence, here's a short quote:
> The child Siri Keeton was not unique: we've been treating certain severe epilepsies by radical hemispherectomy for over fifty years now [Devlin, A.M., et al. 2003. Clinical outcomes of hemispherectomy for epilepsy in childhood and adolescence Brain 126: 556-566].
> Surprisingly, the removal of half a brain doesn't seem to impact IQ or motor skills all that much (although most of hemispherectomy patients, unlike Keeton, have low IQs to begin with) [Pulsifer, M,B., et al. 2004. The cognitive outcome of hemispherectomy in 71 children. Epilepsia. 45: 243-54].
They are still using hemispherectomy now. If you are pessimistic about the future, it does make sense that they would continue using that treatment in the 2030s.
And don't forget that Siri comes from a poor social background.
5:13 AM
@Mahnax Boo!
@WillHunting O'hi!
@Mahnax Weird, the ping has no sound.
Adobe flash was not tailored to Linux I guess.
I wonder if it even is flash.
I don't think it is.
According to Mr Shiny I think, the ping uses flash.
5:15 AM
Is it off?
@WillHunting Oh, okay.
And many dictionary sites use flash for the sound recordings too.
@Mahnax The sound comes back now and then, but not now.
@WillHunting Huh.
But it might be factors other than flash like the browser maybe.
@Mahnax Yes, weird things always happen to me.
5:17 AM
@WillHunting So it seems.
@Mahnax When you go to a bookstore there, what dictionary do you see on the shelves the most?
@WillHunting I don't often go to bookstores.
@Mahnax How is your skit coming along?
Oh, I finished it today.
I will present it tomorrow.
Good, good.
5:26 AM
I disagree.
I hate presenting things in front of the class.
It's not a particularly good skit either.
skit anagrams to kit's
Oh, good.
It seems askubuntu has become 5th in the SE site ranking.
5:32 AM
Where are we?
Sorted by traffic.
We are 7th!
Not bad.
Apple is 6th, not bad.
5:39 AM
Not bad at all.
@Mahnax Bye, good luck with the presentation!
@WillHunting Thanks, bye!
1 hour later…
7:54 AM
@WillHunting Fantastic! I shall use those terms from now on.
2 hours later…
10:02 AM
@DavidWallace I actually just say top and bottom myself.
10:18 AM
@Vitaly Does the machine translation say "a software"?
@Robusto In the video? I haven't watched it.
So ... you give us unvetted videos to watch? makes shame finger
Text is vastly more efficient than videos. I read about ABBYY Compreno in Russian and couldn't find any texts about it in English. So I took a guess that the video would convey pretty much the same information as the Russian text I read.
10:40 AM
A: How should you read proper nouns aloud in English?

ali akbarI appreciate you sending me a full dictionary by which I can pronounce all proper names in English yours

Well duh, he should leave his address then. rolls eyes
@Vitaly That is true, unless there are moving pictures. Even then maybe you can have animation embedded in pdf.
@RegDwightѬſ道 I am not sure if that is a troll or not.
How about this one?
A: ON an American street, but IN a British one. Do the twain ever meet?

Hartmutha street runs between houses therefor the preposition in is indicated, on the road is between towns and we move above st. therefore on is correct.

The bad thing about getting books with CDs is that if you want to remove the CD cover from the book you may damage the book. Also the copy protection of the CD may damage your PC.
Conclusion: Do not get books with CDs. QED.
10:54 AM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Unparsable.
11:05 AM
> Dildos, vibrators, condoms and lubricant. Pills, potions and creams to enhance your sexual pleasure. It’s all there, available at a new online sex shop. But this is not your everyday internet sex store. Its products are aimed at devout Christians.
> Mr Angenent is just the person to help Christians enjoy sex. He began his career as a minister before changing track and becoming a sex therapist.
1 hour later…
12:26 PM
Q: Uniquate = Eliminate or replace duplicates, make unique?

mmdemirbasI am not a native English speaker and I need a word means modifying a list/set to make it a unique-values list/set eliminating or replacing non-unique values with unique ones. I am also aware of deduplication suggestion, but I can't settle for it. Because, it sounds me that it means eliminating (...

Too localized? Sounds like a programming or mathematics question to me.
Also, looks like we are the top non-computer-related site.
are you counting gaming as computer-related?
Of course.
@Robusto i say keep it open. he's asking for a mathematical word, but his explanation is clear enough, and the word he wants is one that can be found in general dictionaries
Which word does he want?
We are also computer related: help me name my variable!
12:33 PM
@WillHunting No. We explicitly nixed that. Such questions get closed.
@Robusto uniquify. the top-voted answer
@JSBᾶngs Doesn't appear in any of my dictionaries. Is it new?
I'm not saying it's wrong. If it's a recent coinage from CS or math, fine. I've just never heard or seen it used before.
i'd say it's a CS coinage from the past 40 yrs, but i believe it's generally accepted now
let me look around for it
this is interesting: retronaut.co/2011/10/…
@JSBᾶngs Nice.
In other news, I own a mint-condition first issue of Wired magazine. Not even sure what it's worth, if anything.
BTW, cool one-line Javascript array shuffler:
var list = [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9];
list = list.sort(function() Math.random() - 0.5);
Much better than the card shuffler I was using, which involved one iteration through the array, swapping each element with another random element.
1:02 PM
oooo, nice
wow, they have a brainfuck interpreter in Javascript.
Mar 18 at 13:51, by Robusto
Google's handy Brainfuck interpreter. http://code.google.com/p/jslibs/wiki/JavascriptTips#Barinfuck_interpreter
Google may be growing evil, but they still can bring teh awesum.
Of course, many of these tricks are only good for plugin development, etc. IE still doesn't support anything above Javascript 1.5, IIRC.
Actually I don't think it's Google's interpreter. code.google.com is an open repository like sourceforge... isn't it?
I believe so
> Project Hosting on Google Code provides a free collaborative development environment for open source projects.
1:11 PM
OK, then they can still attract teh awesum.
Actually the number of times I've seen people mistake code.google's stuff with Google Corp is pretty high. If I were Google I'd be worried that their brand could suffer.
my open-source phonology modeler is on google code
@Robusto well, THAT'S true.
I must admit I'm not really sure what it's for.
1:52 PM
@JSBᾶngs You know how I feel about NGrams, but uniquify shows up at 0.00%, even when the search is narrowed to 1980-2008, which seems to cast doubt on your assertion.
uniquify doesn't seem to mean "replace duplicates with non-duplicates", it seems to mean "remove duplicates", which is the meaning the askers wants to avoid
@MattЭллен really? guess i didn't read the question closely enough
@JSBᾶngs it's in the edit
> Edit: I need a word reflects especially replacement, but it is OK if it also reflects eliminating. I don't mean answers focusing to only eliminating.
so, i suppose uniquify is probably ok, on second thoughts
I still think this is a computer question.
could be. It certainly fits that context
bah. now my poor spelling is starred forever!
1:58 PM
Hahaha. Poetic justice.
hides in the sack, in shame
oh! @Cerberus, it was a while ago, but did you get that email I sent about python?
Q: Why simple past and not present or future in the following expressions

NoahWhy do we use the simple past but not the present or future in the following expressions: Don't you think it's time we went a little further It's time we ate Don't you think it's time we went home

Because it's not simple past.
it is
insofar as "we went a little further" is simple past
You're saying that's not subjunctive mood?
I'm not saying that, I'm saying I don't know subjunctive mood when I see it
2:11 PM
@MattЭллен You mean you wouldn't know subjunctive mood were you to see it?
:D exactly
Actually I have no idea if that right there is a form of subjunctive. The rules of English are unclear and flexible.
@RegDwightѬſ道 And purists will argue either side endlessly.
Good thing I'm an impurist.
2:14 PM
Were you an impurist, you had posted NSFW thong pix in ELU chat.
If you use too many conjunctions in your sentences, may we say you are exhibiting signs of conjunctivitis?
@Robusto You may.
Thank you. I rejoice on all our behalfs.
Or is it behalves?
Also, if you use the subjunctive too much, you may be suffering from subjunctivitis.
@Robusto I'm not sure if it is. But if it's not, it should be.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Moment mal, bitte. I have boss-just-called-me-itis.
Maybe if there's two of us it should be bewhole.
If there's three of us, beoneandahalf.
2:21 PM
why does bewhole sound like a word?
oh! because of behold
@MattЭллен Ow!
bandages wordwounds
@aediaλ don't know what happened there! my fingers got away from me :D
giggles Hi!
@MattЭллен You just got beholed? Ouch!
@aediaλ No giggling in ELU chat before you say hi. Unauthenticated giggles are verboten.
@Robusto it's ok, Aedia's bandaged me up
2:25 PM
Ah, a mission of mercy. I get it.
@Robusto Surely the giggles are nounoten?
@aediaλ Don't make me get @Martha to thwack you.
Right. Er, 'twas a nervous giggle. Very sorry sir, shan't happen again.
Hey lookit who's on DIY:
Q: Improve in add to more home electrical (with safety)

PRASHANT PI am of late very LOW for use of local current electrical I have much server in home for use of increase electrical How, then, to pull more electrical safe of no detect from outside triple phase DELTA ? Has safety to interface more wire from PHASE to HOME electrical ? Is extra insulate for ne...

2:43 PM
oh my
So, what's with that word "increase"?
I really haven't heard/seen the "for use of..." construction much ever and it makes me wonder if it's particular to this person or occurs in some Indian English
Yeah that too
"Increase" is so versatile in Pineapplish.
I remember a question on our meta asking if ELU could be used for increase.
Same person
@RegDwightѬſ道 when I frown my face is increase
2:44 PM
Q: Is english.stackexchange.com used for increase?

PRASHANT Phello i am fellow developer :) i am posting much on stackoverflow.com and on cooking.stackoverflow.com i am wanting to increase in my knowlege of programs and internet english :) is site for use of learn ? else.. where am i to belong ? thanks PRASHANT :) OF NOTE i am emigrate to india :)

That's why it fascinates me. It's like a pineapple salad you can't stop staring at
contratulation for have a ...
@aediaλ No effing way, ur rite.
In some places in America they put pineapples on pizza. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
But do they use the pizza for increase?
And it's called Pizza Hawaii round these parts.
2:46 PM
are Hawaiians pineapples?
@RegDwightѬſ道 Wow, meta-pineapple. Mind = assploded.
@Robusto That is actually surprisingly good. And in my experience it's in just about every single pizza place I've ever been to. not just "some places in America".
because, then it's not ham on these pizzas...
Pineapple pizza from Dr. Pineapple!
2:47 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 I didn't know meta-pineapple came in packages. Live and learn.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah yeah, you're just pussy-outing of pronouncing "Oetker".
@RegDwightѬſ道 Dr. Octogon?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Then you have been circling the pizza-parlor drain. No self-respecting pizza place puts pineapple on pizzas.
@Robusto those packages then come in containers. In houses that Jacks builded.
Dr. Oetker is a German company that produces baking powder, cake mixes, yogurts, frozen pizza and pudding. Also included in the portfolio are a maritime freight business, a bank, a publishing company, an insurance outfit, a brewery and a number of high-class hotels all over Europe. History Formation The company was founded by Dr. August Oetker in 1891; the first product developed was "Backin", a pre-measured amount of baking powder that, when mixed with 500g of flour and other ingredients, produced a cake. First World War Dr. Oetker's son, Rudolf, died in the First World War. However...
2:49 PM
@Robusto It's normal here too... I don't think I've been to a pizza place recently that didn't offer Hawaiian pizza.
Dammit SE chat, one-box the friggin' https wikipedia
I love how they sell frozen pizza AND maritime freight.
and a bank
Oh those Germans
23k employees gotta do something.
@RegDwightѬſ道 anything, anything at all, is more like it
They don't care if it's some or any, them's pineapples.
true, true
Wow so it looks like Dr. Pineapple was an actual pharmacist and he invented baking powder.
2:55 PM
I like the section about Namibia.
It is particularly informative
Wikipedia will stop at nothing.
I would not recommend German pizza, but they do machine it to very fine tolerances if that sort of thing impresses you.
Oetker pizza is actually excellent, along with Wagner.
"the product range covers the areas of ambient food..." - the actual website
2:58 PM
Can't think of others I would touch.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Have you ever tried pizza in Chicago or New York? If not ...
Jun 10 '11 at 10:11, by RegDwight
@Robusto Um, you are mixing them up. If you want to get murdered or robbed, go to Chicago. If you want pizza, go to Naples.
@RegDwightѬſ道 You trust the word of a German? Pfft.
And I have tried Napolitanian pizza, in point of fact.
Anyway, meetings.
Enjoy your ersatz people, pineapples. Or your ersatz pizza, pineapples. Or ... something.
3:00 PM
Enjoy! (in as much as anyone ever does meetings)
Lol @ersatz.
Pizza was invented in Naples, ferkrissakes.
Chicago didn't even exist then.
Meh, cricket was invented in England - we're hardly best at it.
So it turns out in the food industry people actually seem to use "ambient" as synonymous with "shelf stable" food
That's so weird.
@MattЭллен That's only because you got too busy moving to America and copying pizza.
@aediaλ that is very weird
I thought they meant "food that improves the atmosphere at parties"
3:03 PM
Like it's just sitting around in the environment and BAM! you stumble across a toadstool that turns out to be made of ten year old pudding and SPAM
@MattЭллен Haha yeah, that was my first thought, like elevator music or something.
@aediaλ ambient, because the food is stored in the ambient temperature? as opposed to frozen
@aediaλ lol, elevator pizza :D
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yep, but the word temperature doesn't seem to be important in the jargon; it just gets shortened to "ambient."
@MattЭллен Haha! I admit I have wished for one some days when I get home and someone else is just disembarking with food.
@aediaλ I guess that doesn't surprise me. Business jargon is pretty odd to outsiders sometimes.
@aediaλ just drop them an ask and I am sure it will get actioned.
3:10 PM
wrinkles nose
A: Can or should "ask" ever be used as a noun?

RegDwight Ѭſ道Living in Europe, I have never encountered the usage myself, and neither Merriam-Webster nor Wiktionary even mention the mere possibility of "ask" being used as a noun. That being said, Raymond Chen, a senior Microsoft programmer (Redmond, WA), blogged about the noun ask on January 7th, 2004, sa...

Auugh semantic satiation seeing asp everywhere! Snaaaakes!
What? you're saying I should remember every answer of yours you ever wrote?
What? You're saying you aren't doing that already?
3:14 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 I am saying that.
Well, duh. I have left like zero answers in the last ten months. Hardly hard to remember them all.
Even though I voted up that answer already, it seems I had forgotten it.
I can do better. I've hardly visited the site at all in the last 10 months.
I completely didn't realise about "big ask".
@MattЭллен It's still uncommon in my experience so far I think. I'm pretty sure most of those would be more like "that's too big to ask" or "this was not a big thing to ask" if I or someone I knew said them, wrote them in e-mail, etc.
Another day, another useless ellipsis variety. This time, an ". . . .".
3:23 PM
But it's hard to judge because "big ask" might be one I wouldn't notice much if I saw it.
@RegDwightѬſ道 At least... okay, I can't really find a bright side to that. It's got punctuation! Yay!
@RegDwightѬſ道 Invention != perfection
@Robusto More fake cheese != perfection.
@RegDwightѬſ道 but fake cheese and simulated bacon-bits.... mmmm
mmmm, salt
I'm not saying it's not mmmm. I'm saying it's not perfection.
3:29 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 You are assuming I eat fake cheese now?
I am not assuming anything. Ever.
So I (re-)learned today that request(v) was verbed from request(n) which supplanted ask(n) that was nouned from ask(v)
There is no level you won't stoop to.
Well, someone has to stoop to them.
Just get shorter someones, so they don't need to stoop.
3:30 PM
Remember, I am the Niveaurunterbringbeauftragter of this room.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 A request is just a quest you had to do over.
@Robusto Or the doing over of that quest.
A request is just something way better than a requ.
@aediaλ the way I normally hear it, and I'm fairly sure I've been hearing it for ages, is "I know this is a big ask, but..."
Speaking of res.
Q: Reconnoiter and Reconnaissance

epotterAre reconnoiter and reconnaissance two forms of the same word or are they two words with a common etymology? According the the Wiktionary pages, they are both derived from French, but it is unclear as to the relationship between the words.

I'm not sure what the question is. Certainly it must be obvious to anyone they are not forms of the same word in English.
English does not have a productive "aiss" suffix.
3:34 PM
plus, gen ref at etymonline
@MattЭллен I think it's a typo. The usual statement is, "I know you are a big ass, butt ..."
@MattЭллен Here people would throw something in between: "Ah no thisa big thingdass, buh..." You wouldn't want to be mistaken for leaving out the middle bit.
also, "I know this is a big axe" might be a bit threatening
This is a big-ass axe-aissance.
3:38 PM
@MattЭллен spits coffee and tries to stop coworkers from noticing the laugh/coughter
Bah. Coffee. Might as well smoke.
There are proven health benefits!
Like being awake or something
If you drink coffee, you will die.
That trumps everything.
Plus, I actually fall asleep from coffee or coke.
If you chat at Stack Exchange, you will die.
True, true.
3:41 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 me too! (well, coke anyway, I don't drink coffee)
You should've realized that earlier.
At least I'll enjoy my brief moments of skittering around.
I should, but my fate is sealed
If you skitter around, you will die.
If you enjoy brief moments, you will die.
If you die, you will enjoy brief moments QED
3:45 PM
It's funny how in English, you can be dead.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Then why don't you fall asleep after jinxes?
@Robusto Because I fall asleep before them.
@RegDwightѬſ道 what other kind of dead is there? 'have been' 'will be'?
@RegDwightѬſ道 Kannst du nicht auf Deutsch tot sein?
@Robusto Sicher.
3:47 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 it is also the case in French (I think). Alenanno would argue that dead is a state, so you are describing the person
@MattЭллен which person? There aren't even worms left.
@Mitch but if you are dead, how can you be?
@RegDwightѬſ道 the dead person
The dead person isn't.
@MattЭллен Sure, but what are the alternatives?
3:48 PM
@MattЭллен If you have ever existed, you are part of the space-time continuum.
@RegDwightѬſ道 oddly enough, I think Neon Genesis Evangelion's movies cover this quite well
@RegDwightѬſ道 Yuh huh! Where else do they play pinochle?
It's not so much the you that was the person in the body that is now dead that "he is dead" is describing, but the person people think of when they think of the you that was in the body when it was alive
I don't think, therefore I still am.
But if you say someone was dead, then you're implying they are dead no longer.
Sorry, forgot the QED.
3:50 PM
@Robusto zombies deserve rights?
@MattЭллен and if you say they will be dead, them's fightin' words.
@MattЭллен I said dead, not undead.
@Robusto if you are dead no longer, you are undead
Besides you always speak in litotae's, so nöone cares.
No. You are unalive.
3:52 PM
Xbox Unlive.
> Pinochle or Binocle (sometimes pinocle, or penuchle) is a trick-taking game typically for two to four players and played with a 48 card deck. Derived from the card game bezique, players score points by trick-taking and also by forming combinations of cards into melds. It is thus considered part of a "trick-and-meld" category which also includes a cousin, belote. Each hand is played in three phases: bidding, melds, and tricks.
FFS, can I have that explained once again in English?
I don't have a clue how to play the game actually
I used to play it. Then I grew up.
There's just a song about the worms crawling in and out and playing it on your snout
Pinochle or binocle, sometimes pinocle, or penuchle, is derived from bezique, which also has a cousin, belote.
3:59 PM
> The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out. The worms play Pinochle on your snout. They eat your eyes, they eat your nose. They eat the jelly between your toes.

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