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3:00 PM
Edible muslims?
 
Edible mushrooms?
 
@Robusto Sorry to disappoint you but today I'm frantically writing release notes.
 
Audible "Mush Hounds!"
 
Reg is frantically releasing today after deciding not to prolong the pleasure with Rob.
 
Apr 17 '11 at 1:24, by Robusto
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Edible baby muslims. Aren't they adorable?
 
3:01 PM
@KitFox It's funny how every time he accuses me of Googling I am not, but every time he doesn't, I am.
 
anyone here used multiple full-outer joins in oracle before?
 
@Robusto Not more than baby atheists.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Full-outer joins are so gay.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Not in oracle.
 
Anyway, meeting time. Laterz.
 
3:02 PM
Is the giant palm edible as well?
 
@Robusto Not that there's anything wrong with that
I want to do a full outer join b full outer join c full outer join d
 
@Robusto they are only gay if the parentheses touch.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 if you eat human flesh
 
where a, b, c, d are subqueries
 
Did you see the "No Homo" video? Somebody posted that up. I thought it was funny.
 
3:02 PM
and the key is about 10 fields
 
@KitFox It could have been me
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 So that shouldn't be difficult.
 
I have seen it and laughed :D
 
Is it wrong? Line 40 @KitFox?
 
do I need to do (((a FOJ b) FOJ c) FOJ d) and coalesce the key fields in each ()? or will it just work if I do a FOJ b on a.x = b.x FOJ c on a.x = c.x etc?
I'm thinking it won't "just work"
 
3:04 PM
@Gigili Not wrong, but "they would not have been stuck" implies that they are no longer. "they would not be stuck" means that they still are.
 
Aha, thank you very much.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I think you're right. A full join is like a cross join right?
 
@KitFox I think it's different from a cross join
 
So in order to include all of a and b and c, you need to cross join a and b as t and then cross join t and c, etc. At least, I'm pretty sure that's how I would do it in SQL server.
 
Yvan eht nioj.
 
3:06 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Never!
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 That's just a backwards way of thinking
 
Drop da bomb!
 
@KitFox yeah the more I think about it the more this looks like it will be extremely annoying to write. mainly on account of the sheer quantity of tables and subqueries in this query.
 
Is this correct @KitFox: "People refer to the Parliament with hopes that this branch can solve their problems"? Doesn't make sense?
 
Why are you doing this complicated thing @MrShiny?
 
Very skillful.
 
@KitFox Because I think it will improve performance.
 
@Gigili I was thinking about that. I think I would write it as "People defer to Parliament with hopes..."
 
... and they are always badly disappointed.
 
3:10 PM
In essence: at one point in time someone decided that it'd be nice if a single reporting table would contain all the data for about 20 reports. I don't have time to break it up into 20 tables, but I need to fix a serious data-population bug in this reporting table, so I am rewriting how the table is populated.
 
So you have a table A and you want to return all rows from A and table B, matching where applicable.
 
The DB will do the same amount of querying work, but write to the table only once instead of 20 times.
 
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Q: A "stones throw away" plural?

artfullyContrivedA stones throw is described as approximately 20 to 25 feet. Does it make sense to describe double that distance as "two stones throws away" or would I have to use some other unit? See also this question also.

May I cry?
 
@KitFox I have a table query A and a query B and they return data for, say, a given user with a given product in a given day. Only sometimes query A has values in time T and query B doesn't, or Product P has values in B and not in A, or whatever.
 
And you have Table C and you want to return all rows from A and table B and table C, matching where applicable.
 
3:11 PM
So I need A and B, only when A and B both have values for that (product,user,time) I need A join B
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 yes, so long as it's for humanity
 
and it's not just A and B, it's A.....W
 
@MattЭллен I choose to cry against humanity.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I suppose you can always use a shoulder to cry on
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 So you want to stitch all the tables together and return all the data, regardless of whether it is matched (except, of course, joining it when it needs joining).
 
3:13 PM
One stone throw. Two stone throws. Three stone throws.
 
Then I think you are right where you need to sub-sub-sub it ((A to B) to C) to D)
Do they at least share a common key?
Between all the tables, I mean?
 
@KitFox They will have a common key, only that key currently has (checking...) 8 component fields in it.
They're not tables, they're nested queries.
 
OMG and now Neil suggests "It's several stones' throw away".
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 So that probably will work, but it will be long.
 
3:18 PM
@KitFox yeah. And unreadable.
I think my code is going to have to construct this query
 
Sounds like it would still be an improvement.
 
that will make it more readable
 
What if you did something crazy with unions?
Or made some views?
 
@KitFox What, this isn't crazy enough?
Yeah, I was thinking about views.
 
My family is coming up to visit for lunch!
 
3:20 PM
Views won't really change what's happening though, so I'll just see how it works at first, and then ask the DBA if views will help or hurt performance.
 
You don't have a single "master" table, right?
 
@KitFox yay!
 
So you might have values in either A or B that C could join to?
 
nods Yeah, then you've got to (((A to B) to C) to D) or you'll miss stuff.
 
3:23 PM
The "single master" table would be probably too large to work with
 
Is "preventing unlawfuls mentioned above from happening" correct?
 
I'd use unlawful acts
 
"preventing the unlawful acts mentioned above"
"From happening" is redundant.
 
@Gigili "preventing the unlawful <noun here> mentioned above from happening" where noun is acts, events, actions, whatever
 
Uhum, thank you.
 
3:29 PM
So I just want to make this little <p> visible or invisible depending on whether I set a property value. I can't seem to get it to work.
 
Thank you for your help @KitFox. You're too kind.
 
No problem. I am sorry I don't have time to help better.
 
That was enough.
 
@KitFox daipers might help
 
Hmm.
Gotta go! Boys are here!
 
3:31 PM
cya :)
 
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Q: Why don't English-speakers give the name "Jesus" to their children?

dotancohenEvery culture gives the names of its heros and celebrated historical figures to its children. I doubt that many people would argue that one of the most celebrated historical figures in Christian culture is Jesus of Nazrath, however I know no English native speakers with this name. Contrast to the...

It's a slow day. I have to kill stuff monolaterally.
 
yeah, I just spotted that
I wanted to see if it was true. I couldn't find any stats on Jesus as a boy's name in the UK, so I guess it is.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 You misspelled unigonally.
 
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Q: Why is there a "riding" in "Little Red Riding Hood"?

Melken OsterhoseI get the little, the red and the hood... but how does the riding fit in there?

 
FFS.
 
3:40 PM
@Robusto I will often do that, especially on Thursdays.
 
Now you see why I would never be a moderator.
 
You would be a terminator.
A killwithfireor.
 
Instead of flags I would use frags.
 
I hear in the UK you can smoke a frag and eat a flag.
 
3:42 PM
Don't make me invade Canada.
 
do it!
 
The last time that happened, you were sent packing
 
Canada will invade itself.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Wrong.
yesterday, by Robusto
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In Fallout 3, we won.
 
Nah, that was only the step one.
Invading Canada doesn't automatically count as a win.
 
3:44 PM
@Robusto Your sentence is in the wrong tense. You need to refer to a future event that will have passed.
 
Use Conditional Instrumentalis III.
 
Stop whining, you health-care-having Canuck. We will invade and do away with your health care.
 
FumbleFingers has voted to close "stone's throw" as too localised :D
 
@Robusto Enough with the euphemisms already. Just admit you love them.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 No. We give Canada the cold shoulder.
 
3:45 PM
Watch them care!
 
They do care. They have to go south to get warm!
 
@Robusto Hah, tell that to the northern states that get more snow than Ontario
anyway, lunch time
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I am not talking to the northern states right now.
 
Well obviously the US ain't warm enough either, it keeps invading warmer places.
 
@Robusto Or maybe they're not talking to you, hm?
bbl
 
3:47 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 They talk to me. I just tune them out.
 
Dear the northern states that get more snow than Ontario,
Canadians have to go south to get warm.
Yours faithfully,
Matt Эллен
 
Nice litotes.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 At least we know where the warmth is. We don't invade Poland or Ukraine, like some countries I could name.
 
Is it correct to say a place is dependent on some special people?
 
London is dependent on its street sweepers.
@Gigili Yes it is
 
3:49 PM
@Robusto you contradict yourself. Poland or Ukraine easily get 100° F in the summer.
 
Thank you @Matt.
 
no trouble
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Then go vacation there.
 
Why would I. We've already invaded.
It's like going on vacation to New Jersey just because it's part of the US.
 
Hmmph. When did that happen?
 
3:51 PM
Right after you annected Detroit.
You were on a roll.
 
Sorry for asking many questions @Matt, What's a single word for scientist who acts upon their learned science or uses their knowledge?
 
The only thing on a roll in New Jersy is a schmier.
 
@Gigili acts upon how? Scientists act upon their knowledge.
 
@Robusto You misspelled jersey, cashmere.
 
@MattЭллен So there's no need to say it again? Isn't there a scientist who does not?
 
3:55 PM
@Gigili Maybe a retired scientist wouldn't. Being a scientist implies that you're practising science in some way.
 
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Q: What is to opposite of "euphemism"

dotancohenThe comments in an older question of mine on E.S.E leave an issue unresolved: How does one call the situation in which a taboo concept is referred to as being a specific case of a more general nonvulgar concept? Please see the linked question for an example usage, as it is quite the example that ...

Haven't we covered this before?..
 
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Q: Is there a term for a euphemistic term being used literally?

Andrew GrimmIs there a term for using a word that's often a euphemism to mean exactly what the word means? For example, in Terry Pratchett's Discworld, what would the act of using the word "seamstress" to refer to someone who actually mends clothes, rather than someone who is a prostitute?

 
I think there was another one... but this one's certainly related.
 
I cannae see one containing the word euphemism
 
4:11 PM
What are some euphemisms for "euphemism"? Please, make a list.
 
Truth.
Shaddock.
Tupelo honey.
Commute.
Laters.
 
Those last two are dysphonisms.
 
Is this correct: "These type of events will foreclose the independence of it"?
 
cya @RegDwight :)
 
Is "foreclose" the appropriate word in this context?
 
4:22 PM
@Gigili it's grammatical, I'm not sure what you're trying to say though. foreclose
 
Meaning it's not independent anymore
 
"These types of event will cause it to cease being independent" perhaps
 
Woohoo, thank you thank you Matt.
 
"These types of event will cease it being independent" perhaps
I'm not sure. My first one is clearest
@Gigili no trouble :)
 
Yay!
Holy Freya, it's a gorgeous day!
 
4:27 PM
Yay!
 
Hiya!
 
Hello!
 
So once it is confirmed that my boss is not in today, and after I get this g-deasley thing working, I am sneaking out.
@aediaλ smooch
 
giggles That tickles!
 
Is it the whiskers?
 
4:29 PM
 
grins
 
I'm having such a hard time waking up today.
I think I need more coffee.
 
Damn it. I can't find this control. kicks page
 
I feel like it's the wrong time of day entirely, even though I know this whole Daylight Savings nonsense only stole an hour from me...
Aww.
Want me to fetch you some more coffee as well?
 
I'm already three-fisting, but thanks.
OK, look. Why can't it figure out that I'm trying to get this panel?
 
4:42 PM
It wants you to be polite and address it as Ms. Panel Thingamajig the Third?
 
@KitFox does it need to be marked as runat="server"?
 
Pretty much. But I can't figure out which title is...
Fucking hell.
 
so my new tablet needs a name.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Moses 1
 
lol
 
4:44 PM
heheh
My last computers have been named smed, wook, cruithne, ephemeron, and eternia.
 
Hmm. Difficult to follow.
Mine are all variant's of KitsBub.
 
I can't remember what they were called before "smed". I think I named them after me prior to that.
I guess I could name the tablet Tilde. After the daughter I wasn't allowed to name.
 
I am fond of Tilde.
Or Deep Seeded Violets.
 
Hm... That makes me think of "Inception" for some reason. Which makes me think of Ariadne.
That's a suitably obscure name.
 
Ariadne. Yes. Nice.
Oh the tangled webs we weave when we practice to deceive.
 
4:49 PM
But now I'm thinking of the girl who played Ariadne and not so much the computer.
Hm, maybe the computer could be something else greek.
like Minotaur.
 
Labyrinthine?
 
Kylix?
I've only just now learnt that word.
 
Daedalus?
 
I've never had a theme for mine because we always had so many existing ones to merge into the household... always named 'em for some characteristic of themselves or how they were acquired
 
4:52 PM
arcane?
 
Like my laptop is hotair
 
nefarium?
adjudicator?
 
Did the minotaur have a name?
 
Yes. I was trying to think of it.
 
Iapyx (son of Daedalus, not minotaur)
 
4:53 PM
Asterion
 
Asterion
dammit
 
jinx!
 
I think we have a winner. Now I have to convince my wife to use it.
 
I suggest Pax or Laetitia if the minotaur tablet doesn't fly :)
 
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Q: What is the difference between sauce and dressing?

KarlWhat is the difference between sauce and dressing? Their purpose seems to be the same.

 
4:56 PM
I advocate for "Nefarinasium"
 
clearly the answer is "your face"
 
chuckles
 
@MattЭллен Yeah I didn't know what to do with that... it was prompting answers that were maaaaybe more than a dictionary so I didn't closevote yet
 
BTW, @Matt, it was the stupid 'runat' if I didn't mention it. Thanks.
 
@KitFox oh! glad I could help :)
 
4:58 PM
Oh man I forgot about Rhadamanthys! That would be a cool name too
 
@aediaλ yeah, I've learned about Turkey Dressing :)
 
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Q: Use of the singular or plural "is" or "are" in ambiguous situations

Robert HarveyIn this sentence: The only exception are questions that are narrow enough that they can be reasonably answered definitively with one or two possible solutions. Should it be "The only exception is" because "exception" is singular, or "The only exception are" because "questions" is plural?

Oh come one! I have closed an identical question just a couple hours ago!
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Q: [Singular] Is/Are [Plural]?

emragins My fish's native habitat is rice fields. My fish's native habitat are rice fields. I'm pretty sure the first is correct, since 'is' modifies 'habitat,' but it still sounds weird...

 
gotcha
 
Have you noticed how tags suck in GLU @RegDwight? It's instead of .
 
toodles!
 
5:01 PM
@Gigili I... I don't understand your point.
 
Bai @Matt!
 
@MattЭллен Bye!
 
Anyways. I gotta run again, so TTYL.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 There's no point, just saying. Ciao.
 
I keep catching @MrShiny's star in the corner of my eye. I keep misreading it.
That's just a bastard's way of thinking.
 
5:06 PM
almost coffee up nose
coughing to cover up laughing and also not breathe coffee
Look what you did!
 
Me?
looks innocent
I didn't do anything.
 
Oh! I was going to tell you! My Odyssey went swimmingly. I mean, it didn't flood or anything.
 
Yay!
 
It went off great and everyone seemed to have fun.
 
I was going to ask, but my teeth hurt.
So I fergitted.
 
5:09 PM
We had overwhelmingly Div 1 teams and they were adorable.
 
Did you judge or just coordinate this time?
Oh! Little munchkins!
 
I was a problem captain for the first time. I didn't judge - I welcomed people at checkin and made sure everything ran ok.
 
Ooooh, a captain.
I like a woman in uniform.
 
I had to get my judges warmed up in the morning so I was really nervous about that.
giggles I had an official looking sticker and everything.
 
Did you feed them coffee and tell them to be nice?
 
5:10 PM
Yep!
And they got pizza at lunch.
 
And they were, I assume?
 
Oh, another kid story: My daughter was watching TV, when my son walked in and stood in front of her. She said "I can't see, J-!" so he turned to her, pointed to himself, and said "J_ right here!"
 
It was Spontaneous, so I didn't get to actually even watch my judges to see how they were doing. But the group my husband was with, he said they were good and were having fun, and the other had someone slightly experienced, and they had one team they nominated for an OMER award.
Also, the new judges always score so much more leniently than those of us who competed in the past or are experienced, but that's ok since scores get averaged and then normalized. And especially ok for Spontaneous since they don't get a raw score scoresheet & raw scores don't mean as much there.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hahaha. That's great. My youngest has been having lots of fun with us and naming people. Pointing at Daddy, "There's F-!" He'll shake his head, say "No no no," then point at himself and say what I think is supposed to be his name.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Aww that's adorable.
 
5:15 PM
@aediaλ sorry didn't mean to derail your story.
 
@aediaλ Spontaneous was fun.
I used to just name random stuff that sounded cool.
"Name things that go around." "Luciferase." "What?" "Lu-ci-fer-ase." "Um...oh."
Confidence. That's the key.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hehe no problem! It's not really much of a story... I am just happy the competition went well.
 
My son has also started saying "For God's sake!" for some reason (whistles innocently). Only he says "got sake!"
@aediaλ What kind of competition is it?
"got sake! spider! over dere! spider climb wall!"
 
@KitFox Oh, and the fishing lure earrings worked well to put people at ease at check-in. Kids loved them when they saw me. They were like "Your earrings are so cool!"
 
Sweet.
My eldest was playing Sorry with Daddy and he got sent back to start and he (cheerily) shouted "damn it!"
My husband explained that while Papa uses words like that, they aren't nice. He should use something like "darn it!" or "shucks!" instead.
 
5:21 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Odyssey of the Mind, a creative problem-solving competition - I was helping run the part that's solving a problem the team has never seen before, on the spot; they also compete in another problem that they have been working on for a long time (months usually) and have 8 minutes to present that solution.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 giggles uncontrollably
 
So then a few minutes later, my son had to back up out of the safety zone, and he said "damn it! oh...uh...I mean, is that the one that is OK to say, Daddy?"
 
Haha.
Grownup word rules really must seem nonsensical to kids.
 
He's very sweet. He's started asking us about whether certain worsd are OK to use.
And I can't abide claiming that cuss words are "bad" words.
So we're sticking with the "not polite" version.
Which is closer to the truth anyway.
 
I'm going to pop out for coffee. be back later.
 
5:25 PM
Bai
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Laterz!
 
A while back, my son was going to daycare, and I told him he'd be going in the morning and he looked at me and said "Bust my boilers, I hate school!"
I burst out laughing.
 
Awww hahahahaha.
Where did he learn that expression?
Thomas the Tank Engine?
 
Then he grabbed my face in his hands and pulled me in so our noses were touching and whispered "Mommy." "Yeah?" "I was joking you."
@aediaλ Must have been.
 
@KitFox melts
 
5:28 PM
It was hysterical.
He is an adorable child.
 
Joking really should be transitive.
 
Isn't it?
 
Well non-children don't normally say that we are joking [someone/something] right?
 
It is a perfectly acceptable usage.
gets all defensive
 
Huh, I really can't say I've heard it used like that.
Is it common for you?
 
5:31 PM
I wish I could remember what he used to say. It was something like "I am kidding you" except that it was something that really for sure wasn't transitive.
@aediaλ I don't know now. I'm quite befuddled.
 
I would definitely, in my normal speech, use a different verb in that expression, like I was teasing you or I was kidding you or not use it transitively, like I was just joking or I was just kidding around
It doesn't seem weird to me to use kidding like that the same way as joking, hmm
Maybe transitive joking is regional or fading out of use? The example in the dictionary - the comedian joked coins from the audience - makes sense to me and I would accept it if I read it in a book, but I wouldn't expect someone I grew up with to say it either, I think (now I'm not sure either).
 
Found it. "You are pretending me!"
@aediaλ "The comedian joked coins" sounds bizarre to me, but "I'm joking you" doesn't.
Actually, it sounds weird without the gerund.
 
@KitFox Aww. Does "you are pretending me" mean something like you are pretending in order to trick me?
@KitFox Aaah! All of it sounds weird now!
It's full of words words words covers eyes
 
Yes, but what's the matter?
@aediaλ It meant "You're kidding me."
Hmm. I have a function in my extended Page that I use in this custom control. Maybe I should split it out into a separate code file...
Come to think of it, I probably could break these up into smaller files.
 
5:51 PM
@KitFox Mad's the hatter!
 
hands out coffee Rrrroll up the rrrrim to win!
whoops too many Rs
 
Thanks!
Tim Horton's?
 
It always used to bug me that the Rrroll up the rim to win contest was always at the same time as Lent, because I often gave up donuts/sweets/deserts for Lent. Now that I'm areligious that isn't a problem anymore.
@KitFox indeed!
 
Good coffee.
 
I knew I could count on you to know it
 
5:56 PM
sticks face in coffee
 
We've even got one or two around here.
 
Ahhhh.
Thanks, @MrShiny.
 
Careful! The cup says "HOT BE CAREFUL DO NOT MICROWAVE"
@KitFox Hm, are they doing the same contest down there?
 
I'm not sure. I don't go there much, although the coffee is much better than DD.
 
@KitFox I've never had DD coffee. But personally, I prefer Starbucks coffee or Second Cup (a big Cdn chain, our local Starbucks equivalent) coffee.
 
5:59 PM
Starbucks blows.
I have never had a good cup there.
Unless I wanted something froofroo.
 
@KitFox really!?
 
Really.
 
I mean, I'm not a Starbucks fanboi but I find their basic coffee is not bad. Although I find the lingo annoying.
 

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