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Faheem Mitha

7:00 PM

I read that Caligula was particularly notorious for killing pretty girls for no reason. Apparently he got off on it.

@crl I fear that may not be the most accurate source.

crl

:) I guess Romans were more 'brutal' in reality

Mitch

@crl those names are all made up

crl

@Mitch they are all wrong?

Mitch

@FaheemMitha Augustus and Tiberias were battle field commanders. Vespasian. WHo was the idiot who got captured by the persians? He was way too in the field.

Valerian.

What a maroon

crl

five (sorry, bad one)

Mitch

7:04 PM

@FaheemMitha The most accurate source of truth is fiction. In Dune, Baron von Harkonnen, had implants...um... implanted next to youg mens hearts and... ewwwww....

Faheem Mitha

@Mitch I didn't know (or had forgotten) that Augustus and Tiberius had a significant battlefield presence.

Mitch

@crl Cremona...Ravenna...Roma those are correct.

crl

So Nero messed everything up right?

Internum Mare sounds wrong too

Faheem Mitha

@crl Not really. It was always messed up.

Mitch

IV is not the name of any Switzerland I've ever known

Faheem Mitha

7:08 PM

The Ancient World and the Modern World were very different. But they had one thing in common. They were both messed up.

crl

> The Mediterranean Sea has historically had several names. For example, the Carthaginians called it the "Syrian Sea" and latter Romans commonly called it Mare Nostrum (Latin, "Our Sea"), and occasionally Mare Internum (Sallust, Jug. 17).

sorry I though Nero era corresponded to the fall of the Empire, but it happened much later

Mitch

@crl I think it was after Marcus Aurelius that things started to go downhill.

crl

At the age of 22, Nero killed his mother

Faheem Mitha

@crl No, much much later. JC marks the beginning of the Empire.

Mitch

@crl It's fun looking at the map and seeing how the names change.

Hey.. Nice isn't on there!

Faheem Mitha

7:18 PM

As a commentary on Rome, this is what they considered the perfect man.

Germanicus

Germanicus Julius Caesar (24 May 15 BC – 10 October AD 19), commonly known as Germanicus, was a member of the Julio-Claudian dynasty and a prominent general of the early Roman Empire. He was born in Rome, Italia, and was originally named either Nero Claudius Drusus after his father or Tiberius Claudius Nero after his uncle. He was the grandson-in-law and great-nephew of the Emperor Augustus, nephew and adoptive son of the Emperor Tiberius, father of the Emperor Caligula, brother of the Emperor Claudius, and the maternal grandfather of the Emperor Nero. He received the agnomen Germanicus in 9 BC...

crl

@Mitch there are maybe better maps upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/… upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/…

Faheem Mitha

The father of Caligula, and a professional military man. In Imperial Rome, that meant a professional killer.

Very popular. Possibly murdered by Tiberus.

crl

but yes names are fun, sometimes really far from the current one

Palma, Corsica, names that didn't change

Mitch

Ammonium, in the Egyptian desert

crl

Isn't that an atom too?

Ammonium

The ammonium cation is a positively charged polyatomic ion with the chemical formula NH4+. It is formed by the protonation of ammonia (NH3). Ammonium is also a general name for positively charged or protonated substituted amines and quaternary ammonium cations (NR4+), where one or more hydrogen atoms are replaced by organic groups (indicated by R). == Acid base propertiesEdit == The ammonium ion is generated when ammonia, a weak base, reacts with Brønsted acids (proton donors): H+ + NH3 → NH4+ The ammonium ion is mildly acidic, reacting with Brønsted bases to return to the uncharged ammo...

Mitch

7:26 PM

Exactly. Amkes it sound like a Harvard Lampoon lampoon of ancient maps.

I'm surprised that Carthage is on there. I thought the Romans didn't want it to exist.

Gigili

Does the following sound right/correct/perfect to you:

> Agreement
On Friday, June 05, 1970, there was a session held with Sirs __ and ___ as attendees in order to consider and deal with the conflict between Sirs ___, ___ and ___ regarding the financial transactions and jobs the above-mentioned guys have both been involved in, in America and also regarding Mr. Kamran. As a result of that, the parties agreed upon the following:

Mitch

Does the Roman named Susa correspond to any town nowadays? Shiraz?

crl

that's close to the unix epoch

Mitch

@Gigili got a phone call in 2 mins. back in 1/2 hr

Gigili

Sirs could be replaced with a better phrase that I fail to remember

@Mitch OK, thanks

crl

7:29 PM

messieurs (as a French..)

Gigili

But it needs less than 2 minutes

crl

you didn't hide "Mr. Kamran" :)

Gigili

Oops

Mitch

no 'sirs' necessary in american legal documents

Gigili

Pretend you didn't see the name

@Mitch Ah, good point

Mitch

7:32 PM

guys too informal, can be removed.

or guys -> parties

Faheem Mitha

@Mitch It was destroyed in the pre-Imperial days. And then reconstituted as a Roman city, I think. What map is that?

See the Punic Wars.

Gigili

7:47 PM

@Mitch Thank you

Robusto

@Mitch Well, in fact Suetonius wrote a great deal of those stories, before Marcus Aurelius was even born. Much of that was lost because the Christian monks transcribing it thought it too scandalous.

Gigili

Is a legal document registered to one's name?

It's owned by someone, thus the name is written on the document... what's the term?

skill patrol

Johan Larsson

imdb.com/title/tt2049116

pretty good

skill patrol

If only...

Robusto

8:02 PM

@skillpatrol Reads like fan-fiction science porn.

skill patrol

Perhaps.

Robusto

> Igual que hace poco descubrimos una moneda de Roma con la forma de un jamón, ahora tenemos las spintriae, monedas o fichas en las que se representaban distintas posiciones sexuales en el anverso y una numeración en el reverso…

@Cerb: Apparently some Roman coins featured pornography.

Mitch

@Robusto I know!

@skillpatrol funneh.

but if the woman is not allowed science then why is she getting the vaccine. that's science just like cars.

@Gigili That does sound a little weird.

skill patrol

8:21 PM

@Mitch :-)

Mitch

@Gigili I don't think the document is owned by anybody (or rather I don't think that's an issue (maybe everybody gets a copy?))

people sign a document (they've agreed to the terms on the document)

The document may be registered with a particular court I suppose. (the court recognizes it?)

Gigili

@Mitch By document I meant something like a "Title Deed"

Mitch

Oh. hm... I'm not a lawyer, and specific language with lawyers are very important.. but my informal response is that a Deed or Title (a record of ownership of a property) is something that might be 'registered' (left in, kept at, deposited, on record, viewable by the public, approved, etc ,etc).

So my language advice is that you should have a lawyer look at it and fix up the language rather than some random internet chatters.

Gigili

8:40 PM

right

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

9:37 PM

@Mitch sounds like more of a state than a fit.

Cerberus

@Robusto The film is based on one book. I have read a couple of the other books. I don't remember how well I liked them, but somehow I never got around to reading them all. I like the main book very much. I'm sure you will take issue with "main book", but I am too lazy to come up with a different word. I suppose "original" would fit the meaning, but I'm not 100% sure whether that was truly the first book.

Robusto

9:57 PM

@Cerberus Well, the book titled simply Dune was, in fact, a single book.

Cerberus

10:13 PM

Which is what I meant.

MετάEd

@Cerberus You mean the quel.

DRS David Soft

Hi guys, simple English question here:
Is there a way to ask for 'which' item in a list and get the answer explicitly by the ordinal position of that particular item?

MετάEd

Hail, wayward Queen!
Who rule the sex to fifty from fifteen:
Parent of vapours and of female wit,
Who give th' hysteric, or poetic fit,
On various tempers act by various ways,
Make some take physic, others scribble plays;
Who cause the proud their visits to delay,
And send the godly in a pet to pray.

Written, evidently, by a misogynist.

But certainly written by Alexander Pope.

The relevant thing is the two senses of "fit".

Jez

10:51 PM

Can anyone think of English words whose modern meanings have diverged significantly from the original meaning, but whose original meaning is still in occasional use?

MετάEd

11:06 PM

@Jez Gay question.