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6:00 PM
Well, figuring things out can be painful, but it's beneficial in the long term.
 
@RegDwigнt Newspeak?
 
@KitZ.Fox Do you not have to pay attention during the meeting?
 
hello @Kit, @Cerb
how have things been around here?
 
@JSBձոգչ I am still mentally ill. That has yet to change.
 
@ABeautifulMind It's not for a bit yet.
@JSBձոգչ I have no idea.
 
6:02 PM
@JSBձոգչ Hello!
Things are very good.
 
I started your new book. I keep running out of reading time at night.
 
@ABeautifulMind um, sorry
 
Yesterday, we stormed the university.
Now they are giving in to some of our demands.
 
@KitZ.Fox did you like it so far? how far are you?
@Cerberus really? which university? and who is 'us' ?
 
The University of Amsterdam.
 
6:04 PM
you should demand bicycles
 
"We" are 1700 students and staff from the department of humanities.
 
and what do you want (other than bicycles)?
 
We already have bicycles. The problem is how to keep them.
 
@JSBձոգչ Just a few chapters in. I like it, particularly that the description is all non-visual when it's from that certain character's POV. My advisor was blind, so I think that gives me an appreciate for those things.
 
gasp. They're taking away your bicycles?
 
6:04 PM
We don't want the university to turn into a corporation. We want a say in what happens to the real estate, the buildings.
 
Are you paying for them?
 
We want to prevent the scrapping of many of the smaller majors, like all the languages.
Etc.
 
in america we don't have this problem, because we turned our universities into corporations a long time ago
 
Yay!
Here, anyone can go to any university, money-wise.
 
It's sad that tuition fees can be so high.
 
6:06 PM
Tuition is affordable, and there are enough government loans anyone can get.
 
And they can learn whatever they want, even if it means hiring faculty to teach just them?
Interesting.
 
We are all paying for our university, mainly through the government.
 
Oh. So the usual way.
 
We have many established traditions, culture, knowledge dating back to before 1648.
We do not want to see those destroyed by managers speaking newspeak.
 
@JSBձոգչ I had a really nice email from an editor I don't know.
 
6:07 PM
50% of the employees are neither teachers nor researchers.
They earn more too.
 
@KitZ.Fox really? about what?
sending out stories?
 
I submitted a story to a contest.
I didn't win, but in our following interactions, she was very encouraging.
 
@KitZ.Fox You can be a full time writer one day. I think that day will come soon, maybe sooner than my miracles.
 
She recommended an author that she thought my writing was similar too, and she said she hoped I would consider submitting again in the future.
 
@KitZ.Fox you should submit more things to more places.
 
6:09 PM
@ABeautifulMind I don't think I want to be a full-time writer. I think that would make it less fun.
@JSBձոգչ If I had more time. I am in the process of editing my Nano novel though.
 
nice. what's the nano novel about?
 
I can't decide if I want to query it. I don't know if I like the story enough.
@JSBձոգչ Speaking of that, I should write a blurb for it.
Synopsis or whatdoyoucallit
It's a non-linear story about dementia, love, and zombies.
 
you need an elevator pitch that you can write in one line when people ask you about it in chat
@KitZ.Fox that's actually pretty good
 
I write so many nice things when I'm not trying.
 
heh.
happens to everyone
 
6:12 PM
I should write that down somewhere and revise it later.
 
my wife made a pretty good soup here, considering that it contains nothing but bread and leaves.
 
@KitZ.Fox Sometimes, I think I am trying too hard to figure things out. Sometimes, I need to think less.
 
and carrots.
 
@JSBձոգչ I'm going to hit you up as a beta reader.
 
aha deci
 
6:13 PM
@ABeautifulMind Thinking less about certain particular things helped me a great deal.
@JSBձոգչ You started it.
 
yes. yes i did.
 
That reminds me, I contacted Lawrence Schoen about broken links on his website after I read the post with you in it.
He gave me a copy of Buffalo Dogs to say thank you, and I proofread it. coughs
I'm kind of a pain in the ass, I think.
But fortune favors the bold.
 
Proofreading is always good.
@JSBձոգչ No salt?
 
Proofreading a published work is not always good.
But I asked him if he wanted me to let him know if I found typoes.
 
@Cerberus ok, also salt and pepper, and probably a few other minor ingredients. but it notably lacks meat, sour cream, and several other non-lenten ingredients
 
6:20 PM
@KitZ.Fox Why not?
 
@KitZ.Fox that's so neat. Lawrence let me know that someone had contacted him after reading my article, and now i've closed the loop and know who it was :)
did you know Lawrence beforehand?
 
@JSBձոգչ Right, so a vegan meal that tastes good.
It is admittedly rare, but I have eaten a few!
Or perhaps I am too cynical.
(Is there such a thing?)
 
I think all publications have typos.
 
the soup is made with these
Urtica dioica, often called common nettle or stinging nettle (although not all plants of this species sting), is a herbaceous perennial flowering plant, native to Europe, Asia, northern Africa, and North America, and is the best-known member of the nettle genus Urtica. The species is divided into six subspecies, five of which have many hollow stinging hairs called trichomes on the leaves and stems, which act like hypodermic needles, injecting histamine and other chemicals that produce a stinging sensation when contacted by humans and other animals. The plant has a long history of use as a medicine...
 
I think I eat soup only once a year or so.
 
6:23 PM
@Cerberus no. nature is always more cynical than you.
 
@Rob True story from Sweden: It is the world cup in cross country skiing now. A company had blocked a TV-channels play ip temporarily because it used up all bandwidth rendering more core business services unusable. News sent a reporter who asked the employees if they thought it is right that a company can block a TV-channel for the employees :)
 
TIL that there's a world cup of cross-country skiing
 
@JSBձոգչ I suppose that is a compliment...of sorts...
@JohanLarsson I like that spirit.
Although I have to say that truly having essential services go down because of television streams is dubious...
Couldn't they have capped the traffic to that IP address?
 
@Cerberus that might be worse. if it's blocked, then you just can't watch. but if it's capped, then you'll be frustrated by bad quality and intermittent connection problems
latter might be more irritating than not getting it at all
 
@JSBձոգչ Nope. I liked the story though. I would read more.
Oh, stinging nettle. Isn't that good for urinary tract infections?
 
6:32 PM
@KitZ.Fox i don't know. it might be.
 
@JSBձոգչ That is true...but perhaps in the end at least some people will be able to watch the stream rather than none? Perhaps if you manage traffic in such a way that the first couple of computers in get to see the stream, then any subsequent ones have it blocked?
 
So a company blocked their employees from skiving?
 
It is only right that they do not skive.
So, I say the company did right.
But, they don't have to be so strict.
 
Well, sounds like they did it because it was consuming resources.
So no one could get work done.
 
You know, sometimes, I think I need emotional support more than therapy. Just a thought that came to my mind.
 
6:35 PM
I guess they might have been nice and declared a paid holiday and let everyone watch it together in the auditorium.
 
@Cerberus :)
 
But my friends here don't seem to understand me very well these days.
Anyway, I am going to eat some noodles now. It is almost 3 am here.
 
Therapy is good for helping you figure out what to do when support is limited.
 
I will go eat now, later.
 
see you!
So @JSBձոգչ, is all meat off the menu during Lent?
 
6:40 PM
@KitZ.Fox yep
also cheese
but, man, i got this awesome recipe for cheese-filled butter muffins
i'm going to make them for Easter
 
Oh! Also, since you are here, my eldest asked me about Ash Wednesday and I realized I had no idea what it symbolized. I was going to google it, but you're right here, so you can tell me.
I mean, if you want to.
I know it's the beginning of Lent.
Otherwise, I got nothing.
 
beginning of lent. preceded by Fat Tuesday on which you use up the last of the fat and butter in your house.
ashes on the forehead symbolize mortality
the priest marks your forehead and says "remember that you are dust, and to dust you shall return"
that's basically it
 
Oh, that's why it's Fat Tuesday.
But why forty days?
Is it connected to a biblical event?
Or just tradition?
 
jesus was tempted in the desert for 40 days
also "40 days" is a generic "long but not too long" time period
 
Was that right before Passover?
 
6:44 PM
there are a bunch of things in the bible which last 40 days
 
I am obviously not that familiar with the Easter story.
Oh. OK.
 
@JohanLarsson Freedom! And stuff.
 
no, the temptation was right at the beginning, immediately after his baptism
 
The Flood was the only 40-day thing I knew about.
 
@JohanLarsson Sports programming for the workplace is not a luxury, it's a basic right.
 
6:45 PM
@JSBձոգչ OK, so the connection is the giving up of something tempting for as long as Jesus was tempted?
 
Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
 
That sounds vaguely familiar.
 
@KitZ.Fox correct.
 
OK.
Thanks!
Now I'm off to a staff meeting.
 
@JSBձոգչ 40 gets used a lot.
In the bible and elsewhere.
40 (forty) is the natural number following 39 and preceding 41. Despite being related to the word "four" (4), 40 is spelled "forty" in the American English dictionary and in the Oxford English Dictionary. The reason it is spelled as "forty" is that etymologically (also in accents without the horse–hoarse merger) the words have different vowels. "Forty" contains a contraction in the same way that "fifty" contains a contraction of "five". == In mathematics == Forty is a composite number, an octagonal number, and as the sum of the first four pentagonal numbers, it is a pentagonal pyramidal number...
 
6:48 PM
really? 40 has its own Wikipedia page
40 (forty) is the natural number following 39 and preceding 41. facepalm
 
In case you didn't know.
Go down to the religions section.
 
islam has even more 40s than we do. not bad for a religion that prohibits drinking.
rimshot
 
40 oz.?
 
@Robusto ok
 
7:08 PM
40oz. to freedom
@tchrist we got nothing. Just a lot of cold.
 
Can you guys access stackexchange.com right now? I cannot.
 
I am a madam, lol.
 
You manage hoors?
 
Yes, lol.
 
7:26 PM
Why are people idiots?
 
Hi idiot.
 
@JSBձոգչ How can that possibly be a good soup? How do you make sure the stinging parts are totally removed? "Hey, here is my cream of poison ivy. Enjoy!"
 
@Mitch the stinging parts are easy to remove before you ever prepare it
and even if you missed one, they dissolve in hot water
 
@ABeautifulMind I know! Am I stupid for asking that question? "There are no stupid questions. Except for maybe some really really dumb ones."
 
@JSBձոգչ Maybe the water will sting you then.
 
7:30 PM
@JSBձոգչ I don't know. Seems questionable. Seems desperate. I mean, is it that great to risk having your mouth all not usable? (childhood trauma over one little stinging nettle)
@ABeautifulMind That's what sparkling water is.
@JSBձոգչ Well, you want to make sure people are aware of that.
@JSBձոգչ I think Jesus was calling his bluff. The devil couldn't have given him 'all that'. The bread thing though was clever on Uri Gellar's... uh... I mean Jesus's part.
 
@Mitch in case i ever forget what comes after 39, i know wikipedia has me covered
 
@JSBձոգչ Just checked out 73. whew Somebody is working overtime.
 
@Cerberus Your university 'fees' are slowly accelerating against inflation. Soon enough you'll be just like the US. But by then Americans will be getting their degrees on their phones... brief pause to check mine ... like how I just got my masters in leisure studies.
 
@Mitch That is true. Increasing fees are a problem.
@tchrist Jani answer on save is indeed a good one.
@MattE.Эллен Poor Matt!!
That sucks!
 
But at least it resulted in a fun bit of transcript to read.
 
@Cerberus oh! you mean my elbow :D thanks. it is getting better
 
@Mitch Haha, a pinnacle of academic depth, no doubt.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 unilke this. this is totally unnrealistic. If that were a real cat, it would be draging the driver out to see how far it ould run before snapping its neck.
 
Advanced Recreation II: How to Recline on a Deck Chair.
 
7:43 PM
@Cerberus There are journals. and tenure. and academic debates.
 
"Academic".
 
@Cerberus Nonbeliever!
 
shakes heads
I'll believe anything.
You know how much I worship naïveté.
 
The 'science' (or body of knowledge) I can see being substantive, but not worth a university accreditation. maybe community college (which is essentially vocational school in the US)
@Cerberus I didn't know that. You might be surprised to know that I study gullibility.
every day.
 
A valid educational path, fine. But neither a science nor academic.
 
7:49 PM
It's a sign of progress in luxury.
 
You two, stop talking nonsense.
 
One could make the argument that Aristotle's Poetics is just 'cultural studies', a luxury of time to spend philosophizing about entertainment, itself an organized luxury of bored rich people.
@ABeautifulMind That's not fair. Cerb is the one trying to talk nonsense. I'm not trying.
 
@Mitch Decadence, yes.
 
@Mitch That's pretty much true of all art, learning, and philosophy before Gutenberg, yes.
 
@Mitch In a way, it is.
What Rob says.
 
7:52 PM
People don't realize how big an influence Gutenberg's bible was on the Protestant reformation, etc.
 
@Robusto There were engineers before gutenberg. Also China.
 
@Mitch Yes, there were engineers. What does that have to do with culture?
 
they were 'academic' but in a useful way unlike your 'pretty much true of all art, etc'
 
Also, don't play the China card. Those people walk upside down, ferchrissakes.
By "learning" I should have said "cultural learning" or something like that.
Idle speculative learning.
 
What? That's not fair, that's the only card I have, the rest is bluffing. Like Jesus.
@Robusto Oh like chopsticks?
 
7:56 PM
Look, if you're bored you could go and vote up a bunch of my answers and questions. I need only ~112 more up votes to reach 100k.
Don't you want to see me retire from active duty here? Or do you really want me answering a bunch more marginal questions?
 
After you reach 100k you can delete your account.
 
You keep saying that like I would want to follow your practice. I don't get it.
 
@Robusto you're just embarrassed cuz he outed your plan
 
user116848
Hi all
 
@Mitch Hey, I didn't crawl to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian, if you take my meaning.
 
8:04 PM
@Robusto How many serial upvotes can you give before all are removed as serial upvotes? I'm guessing seven.
 
@Mitch 5.
 
Also, you'll owe us all a little something for getting you the 100K t-shirt, or whatever crown jewel they throw your way.
@ABeautifulMind Uh oh.
@Robusto Oh I get your meaning... if bluffing is allowed.
Is it on the order of 'like the cat i'th'adage where I dare not wait upon I would eat your face off if I were a little bigger'?
 
@Robusto I will try not to mention it again.
 
Jez
8:33 PM
hey all
i remember coming across an interactive history map of human empires, but i can't seem to find it now. you could scroll the year and the map would change. can anyone tell me the URL?
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I got 10 degrees and like 15 inches.
Or twelve and a half of both.
And this is when the trees attacked and I contacted you:
Okay, the piles from shovelling the porch are now starting to block the windows.
 
8:57 PM
@tchrist No flirting in chat.
 
9:12 PM
just swagger
 
Jez
that history of the world map thing i was talking about was geacron.com. thanks for your help.
 
10:06 PM
@tchrist I knew there was something about you.
@Rob did you not live there in '95-'96?
@tchrist holy frijoles!
 
I am having holy coffee now.
 
10:32 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Where?
 
10:50 PM
It's strange to look up at one's gutters and see a wall of snow a foot high stacked atop them, perfectly sheer.
I'm going to assume this is all an early spring. March is supposed to be snowy, not February.
 
11:32 PM
@tchrist I'm wondering why this wasn't the accepted answer:
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A: Why is American English so wedded to the subjunctive?

tchristYou may as well ask “why” the Romance tongues have also preserved the mandative subjunctive. Certainly one possible answer is because they (and we) find it a useful distinction to respect and apply. However, one can easily devise many other potential explanations, all with no clear way to choose...

 
Because he didn't like it.
 
Seems like the Brits were reinforcing their own prejudice against AmE.
Fumble was indulging in mere conjecture, and admits it.
 
There are few "whys" in language.
 
Then it's an unsuitable question with an unsuitable accepted answer.
Even the question's phrasing is leading.
An excellent example of the fallacy of complex question.
We hates it, preciousssss.
 

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