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4:00 PM
@Robusto google research is leading me to believe that the bestiality of the Cynics was not necessarily so literal in every aspect of life.
 
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4:13 PM
@Mitch People certainly pronounce anything with a final [n] in AmE
 
Anonymous
@MattЭллен That's not quite accurate
 
Anonymous
Of course it's extremely widespread, but it varies from area to area
 
Anonymous
In some areas, it's the normal pronunciation even in formal English
 
Where in the UK?
 
Anonymous
Hmm, nowhere?
 
Anonymous
4:18 PM
Was your statement limited to the UK?
 
Yes. I can see that's not clear.
 
Anonymous
Ahh, sorry, that makes sense then
 
Mitch had asked about the British Isles
 
Anonymous
This is what I get for reading chat logs in reverse :-)
 
:D
no worries
I was actually excited to hear of a place in the UK where g-dropping was acceptable in formal speech
 
4:20 PM
I am more excited to see Maria than to hear of g-dropping.
 
@snailboat Me Too!
@MattЭллен Wait...what? Where did you hear that? Not from me...because I was asking you about it.
 
@Mitch from snailboat
 
@snailboat Uh.. I think so, but really I'm having a hard time imagining that. Even the derided g-dropper Sarah Palin still says 'anything' not 'anythin' (and that is exactly my point, that I think 'anythin' is rare in the US but I hear it from the British Isles regularly but I can't place the pattern.
 
Anonymous
@Mitch Well, it's less common.
 
Hey @simchona. How are you coping with being mod these days?
 
Anonymous
4:35 PM
Everythin' is more common, and somethin' much more common
 
@snailboat You just need more experience in reading them.
 
'Somethin' yes, 'everythin' I don't think I've heard at all in the US.
 
[ɛvrəfɪn]
 
Anonymous
It is interesting that the frequency of final [n] is different for different thing words
 
Anonymous
4:45 PM
Why is it so much more common with something and nothing than everything and anything?
 
@snailboat I think the shortness of the single syllable some and no encourages further shortening. Perhaps that is how the mind works.
 
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A: Was the pronunciation of “symmetry” different in the past?

tchristWe are not completely certain what is happening here, and it has been the subject of much controversy for a very long time. The poet’s author, William Blake, lived from 1757–1827. In “The Tyger”, he is using the same sort of rhyme that was earlier used by Alexander Pope (1688–1744) who in his “E...

 
5:02 PM
+1
 
Thanks.
I just went back and explained the Horace, as it seems relevant.
I don’t often get to quote Lovecraft. :)
Notice that I have solved the bold problem: Hallelujah!
 
5:26 PM
:-)
 
@snailboat yeah, it's those two. I think sumthin and nuthin are more common than the usual present participle g-dropping.
@JasperLoy another one 'shortnin' I don't think I've ever said anything other than 'shortnin' (or rather crisco, but I really only imagine either, I just point and say, 'just use butter!')
@tchrist Wait.. what's the solution?
 
@Mitch I think ultimately why we say some things and not others boils down to the axioms of the human mind.
 
Also, I feel like in a parallel universe people say the 'Great Vowel Rotation'? Is anybody else in that universe too?
@JasperLoy Oh...I thought you were going to end that with '... because people are dumb'.
I think you're right though.
 
5:43 PM
perhaps those "axioms" are hereditary
 
I am going to take a nap.
 
later
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6:01 PM
I like prominent ears.
 
6:13 PM
Would anyone mind upvoting and downvoting an answer of mine so I can earn a hat? Thanks!
 
@Mitch See here.
 
@tchrist I did recognise it, and the common interpretation is correct.
"Even Homer nods" i.e. errs sometimes.
@CodeMaverick Done.
 
6:28 PM
@Cerberus Thanks.
 
And you shall have them.
 
Jez
corn on da cob
 
Corn eggs!
 
Hah.
I prefer them to be attached to faces.
 
Thanks @Cerberus
 
6:29 PM
I hope it works.
 
@Cerberus You're determined to test my Photoshop skills, I see.
 
I upvoted, then downvoted the same answer.
Then retracted my vote.
 
just says you have to get a downvote and upvote in a single day
 
@Cerberus They're working on that. I can get you a human ear on the top of a head of a mouse. That's pretty prominent.
 
6:30 PM
@Robusto I'm sure that would be a huge challenge for you.
@Mitch Ah, yes. Are those actually usable?
For transplantations?
 
@Cerberus I explained it as “excusing the occasional formal lapse in Homer”.
 
Can the nerves be properly attached?
@tchrist Sounds good.
 
Make
That
 
@Cerberus I don't know. Yell and see if it hears you.
 
Picture
Disappear!
 
6:31 PM
@Mitch Naaah not the internal ear.
Just the outer ear.
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@Cerberus I'm sure the mouse would be annoyed if you try to pinch it.
 
@tchrist Stealth jinx.
 
@Mitch Quite possibly...
 
@tchrist Yeah, I didn't like the color scheme either.
 
The picture was too small.
And not clear enough.
Nor was there enough slime and blood.
 
6:33 PM
@Cerberus I wish it had been much, much smaller. Now I need brain bleach.
 
@Robusto Is absolutely every idea ever written as part of a plot in there? Even if it only occurred once? Or never?
Aha.. but not every combination! writes program to produce permutations of TVTropes tropes
 
@Robusto Do you mean croûte?
 
Sorry, just one more ... that other one hadn't worked (as of yet) ... upvoting this will definitely get me a hat.
 
Oh, and @tchrist sorry I never responded the other day. I've been rather busy these past few weeks 'cause I broke my leg. I would use "Greekify" or "Hellenize".
Of the two, only the latter is a real word of course.
 
6:40 PM
@terdon Probably. The way I've always heard it, though, is without the final "t" sound, but there's a chance the person I learned it from mispronounced it. Well, more than a chance, really.
 
@Mitch See now why and how that works?
@terdon You mean only one of them is a ʀᴇᴀʟ ᴡᴏʀᴅ™. :)
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@terdon: I think the French call that crust at the bottom of the fondue la religieuse for reasons unknown to me.
 
Precisely. Which is why I would probably use greekify which isn't.
@Robusto No idea. I should know I guess but I don't.
 
Maybe it's Swiss-French.
 
Too many blades.
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A: Antonym for "discombobulate"

tchristThe current antonym appears to be recombobulate, as least as this sign from Mitchell International Airport in Milwaukee, Wisconsin would have you believe: That’s the place at TSA checkpoints where you get to put your shoes and belts and jackets and piercings back together.

 
7:05 PM
> Whatever your lot in life, it could only be worse in Milwaukee.
 
@Robusto Irony!
 
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Happy Solstice. (no tags)
 
@terdon Poor you!
How did you break it?
 
Stop distracting me! I've done fuck-all today, and this isn't helping.
 
7:31 PM
Things I've overhead my kids say today: "No, Jesus is a girl, GOD is a boy." "But Jesus is dead actually."
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Which would make sense if your kids were in their twenties, I guess.
 
If you add their ages together it's only half that
 
Sounds like it's your kids who are shiny and new, not you.
 
they are newer than me, but not shinier
 
Yet we have only your word for that. I'd be surprised if they weren't a little shinier.
 
8:05 PM
posted on December 22, 2014 by sgdi

A man in a bowler hat Was also a little bit fat Smoked a cigar While driving a car Well what do you think about that?

 
8:17 PM
"If Jesus was alive, could she count to ... ONE THOUSAND?" -- my son. "sigh yes." -- my daughter
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Your kids say strange things.
 
All kids say strange things.
 
@JasperLoy I can't stop laughing
 
By the way, is it SE policy for a mod not to ignore anyone in chat? Mods have to moderate chat after all.
 
considering this is an atheist household, their notions of Jesus can be amusing. He's like some kind of superhero
 
8:21 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Depends on how old Jesus is. If he's like 8, sure, but 5 years old, I'm not so sure.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Like Stretch Armstrong.
 
@Mitch Yeah. My son is 4. Right now he's counting: "nine-hundred ninety-eight, nine-hundred ninety nine, a plate!"
 
Hilarious!
 
One of my friends just got his third son.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'll remember to do that the next time I'm doing pushups. Chicks dig that.
ha ha, not about getting a third son.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Doubtless part of an élite magical corps also containing the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Cupid, and the Great Pumpkin.
 
8:23 PM
@tchrist lol
 
The Sandman is the runt of that group.
 
Gaiman would disagree.
 
it's funny because sometimes they "pray" to santa for things. One time my daughter prayed to Santa for snow, and then a couple days later it snowed. Then she was going around the house saying "Thank you Santa!"
 
Santa Jesus, the Clawed Christ.
 
Ah, the cockeyed Lumbergh.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Santa is great!
 
@JasperLoy no
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 "This content is currently unavailable"
 
@Mitch really? hm
 
@MattЭллен Hmm, maybe I should propose, lol.
 
8:28 PM
@MattЭллен ha ha...you were ignoring JL for all that time.
 
:D " I meant to do that"
 
@Mitch I'll ignore that
@JasperLoy I can't find where she said it, but Grace said that mods ignoring users isn't prohibited, but it is ill-advised
 
It seems the American college kids are ending exams this week.
 
@MattЭллен I seem to recall she was discussing Mods using the Ignore feature, as opposed to just not answering...
 
8:33 PM
I am wondering if the mod Caleb has ignored me, lol.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yes. is that not what we're talking about?
@JasperLoy ah. no idea.
 
@MattЭллен I guess he just doesn't see any need to chat with me, lol.
 
probably
 
@JasperLoy Or maybe Caleb is just never in here
 
Caleb used to be lurking in here a lot
 
8:35 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 He is always in here, almost. And I pinged him about ten times to say hi over the past few months, but he never replied.
 
I don't see him today
 
He actually looks like Jesus now, with his beard.
Actually, I am not sure what Jesus looks like.
 
@JasperLoy enh. Just because his avatar is in the room doesn't mean he's here or cares at all what is happening in here. And just because he's a mod doesn't mean he's going to read this transcript.
 
You know, I was actually feeling very down because of certain things the last few weeks, but now my mood is going up again.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh, really. Then why does his avatar show up? Bug?
 
@JasperLoy No, he could just be in lots of chat rooms at the same time. I'm personally in 3 right now, but have only one tab open. If anything's happening in the other rooms I'm not paying attention.
 
8:45 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ah, that is called using chat the wrong way.
 
@JasperLoy You're free to think that.
 
9:04 PM
Yeah. I'm usually in 8 rooms, but only paying attention to one or two
 
@MattЭллен What time is it there?
 
admittedly half of the rooms are dead
21:04
 
Oh, DST.
It's 5 am here.
 
9:21 PM
@MattЭллен Will you be going for any new year countdown party?
 
Yes. I'll be visiting some friends on new year's eve
 
I will be at home with my mum, praying that I start the new year well.
 
I hope you continue getting better
 
I think there is a good chance I will succeed this time.
 
9:24 PM
If all goes well, I will finish my 12 math books next year, and also completely solve my mental problems next year. Then when I wake up in 2016, I will be completely well.
My best friend is very sceptical about my becoming 'completely well'. He said many discouraging things to me last week.
So, he is no longer my best friend.
 
maybe you shouldn't be so rash. what did he say?
 
They say there is no cure for OCD, that it can only be managed.
But I have redefined the illness and the cure in such a way that I can be totally well.
 
@JasperLoy Are they all asking questions now, or rather all not asking anything anymore?
@MattЭллен That would be 'ignoring' rather than ignoring.
 
@MattЭллен Well, lots of things. He was also sceptical about me getting into grad school, finding a job after that, etc. So, that was a very discouraging conversation.
 
@Mitch I see
 
9:29 PM
@Mitch I don't know. I am only here to chat, lol.
 
@JasperLoy perhaps he thought if he told you what he thinks of as a more realistic outlook it would help you more than giving you false hope
@Mitch I mean I 'see'
 
@JasperLoy If it helps, our consciousness ascribes intention to all sorts of random biochemical fluctuations. Meaning, you may still feel down or up or whatever, but there are no actual demons.
 
@Mitch Well, I think it's got to do very much with how we try to deal with our thoughts. Biochemistry is just an effect, not a cause, perhaps.
@MattЭллен Well, I already know that the things I am trying to do are very hard, but he just made it sound even harder.
 
@MattЭллен exactly. if by 'seeing' you mean mean having turned off the 'ignore' feature.
@JasperLoy I'd go the other way first, but yes feelings can cause biochemical activities as well as be caused by them (and what I'm saying is that they are essentially identical).
 
@Mitch I will share, after taking meds for over a year, that I don't think meds really do anything for OCD or depression. I think it's largely the placebo effect in most people.
 
9:34 PM
@JasperLoy There is that possibility (and I think you are right that that happens a lot).
 
@Mitch Not many people actually have dug up the original papers testing the serotonin theory. They just read their textbooks and say depression and anxiety are caused by lack of serotonin.
 
But I think there are some medications that really do make both a biochemical difference -and- a psychological one that is not attributable entirely to the placebo affect.
 
good night
 
@JasperLoy I don't disagree with you there, there's a lot of non-evidence based medicine that gets propagated.
 
@Mitch I would say that those that make you drowsy or stiff actually work because they just stop you from thinking at all. But these provide only temporary relief.
 
9:36 PM
@MattЭллен Well, that's just giving up too soon.
@JasperLoy good point...the effect of lowering the psychological affect may not be direct, that any kind of sedative would result in similar relief from the main problem.
pain is a problem that medications are really demonstrably successful at.
 
@Mitch I took thorazine too. It made my whole body feel so stiff that all I could think of was how uncomfortable I felt. When I stopped taking it after two days, I felt euphoria.
 
maybe that was the intention, to make you feel good when you stopped.
That was intended to be humorous.
I bet @medica would have better general advice. I don't actually know anything.
 
Nobody in the world can give me any more medical advice.
Now that sounds arrogant, but I have read too much stuff already.
 
How about math advice? Is the traffic on math.SE a lot more today or a lot less? a lot more american college students or a lot less?
 
So they will probably say something I have already heard many times.
 
9:41 PM
Mar 15 '11 at 19:40, by Robusto
"Neurosis is always a substitute for legitimate suffering." — Carl Jung
 
The solution to my problem now is not medical; it is spiritual.
 
@Robusto Carl Jung had extreme social anxiety disorder.
 
@Robusto Well said.
@Mitch I think usually there are some last minute problems before tests or exams.
 
because xmas is this week, my guess is that the last exams are today (Mon) or Sat two days ago at latest.
 
I know someone whose last paper is 23 Dec.
 
9:47 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Jesus is a she?
 
@Cerberus Maybe the kids thought so because of the long hair.
 
Haha.
Could be...
It is rather funny.
 
@Cerberus How did you meet Mario?
 
2 hours ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Things I've overhead my kids say today: "No, Jesus is a girl, GOD is a boy." "But Jesus is dead actually."
have a good night everyone
 
10:35 PM
This chat suddenly became quiet. Make some noise!
 
noise
How was that?
 
11:01 PM
@tchrist I saw the overformatting in your answer, lol.
 
11:22 PM
@JasperLoy Fixed in the next release.
 
Jez
just reading up on possible causes of health problems is making me feel physically sick :-( talk about a vicious cycle.
 
@starsplusplus Welcome to this chat.
 
Jez
the more i pay attention to my body, the more worries i have about its health
and the first thing my mind always jumps to is cancer. digestive problems, bowel cancer. chest tightness, lung cancer.
worry myself to death.
 
@Jez Do you have unusual fears about health all the time?
 
Jez
no not usually
 
11:49 PM
Where are the janitors?
 
Jez
but i have been having some... digestive problems recently
 
@starsplusplus That is a lovely picture you have.
 
Thanks :)
 
Orly @Jez so have I.
 
Jez
probably just piles but it's rather uncomfortable this time
sigh.
 
11:54 PM
@Jez You have a little bit of a health problem, hypochondria. It is a serious issue, and millions of people suffer from it.
Hypochondriasis or hypochondria (sometimes referred to as health phobia or health anxiety) refers to excessive preoccupancy or worry about having a serious illness. This debilitating condition is the result of an inaccurate perception of the condition of body or mind despite the absence of an actual medical condition. An individual suffering from hypochondriasis is known as a hypochondriac. Hypochondriacs become unduly alarmed about any physical or psychological symptoms they detect, no matter how minor the symptom may be, and are convinced that they have, or are about to be diagnosed with, a serious...
It is not quite as bad with you, probably.
 
Jez
it's a vicious circle
worrying a lot makes you feel sick and lose your appetite
 
@Cerberus Thank you, Dr Cerberus.
 
Jez
which makes you feel worse
 
Break the cycle.
 
I have no experience with hypochondriasis to give any advice.
 
11:57 PM
There you go.
@Jez Ask your doctor to do a general check-up and confirm what the rational part of your brain knows, that you are healthy.
 
Do it^
 
Jez
rational part of my brain isn't sure about that
 
Then, next time when you feel an unusual sensation in your body, you can tell yourself that your doctor said you were fine.
 
Jez
i looked at a bowel cancer symptoms checker. im gonna wait a few more weeks and see what happens
 
@Jez By the way, many of the odd things we feel in our bodies are caused by quick hormone bursts, probably mainly adrenaline.
So when you think of bowel cancer, your brain gets worried and released adrenaline.
The adrenaline makes your body feel weird in places.
Then your conscious brain thinks, oh, dear, I feel something weird: could it be bowel cancer?
 
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