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Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
4:00 PM
Sorting is ORDER BY and you can usually order by a numbered column "ORDER BY 5" if the column name is problematic.
SEDE allows sorting by clicking the column headers.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Yeah but I'm trying to sort by one column divided by another column.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
You need to make a result column and sort by that.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
So anyway. I took the Holzhammer approach and just copypasted the query to death till it gave up.
@AndrewLeach yeah like that.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
if SEDE supports nested queries, you can do Select *, original_column1/original_column2 as pc from ( original_query ) order by pc
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
This looks about legit.
Except the votes are not up-to-date.
So that gender thing is probably no. 1 in reality.
 
Robusto
Robusto
4:07 PM
@RegDwigнt You need a better hobby. Go play with your LEGO.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yeah I would've expected it the other way round for you.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Robusto don't be so harsh on @tchrist, that's the best hobby he'll post all day.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yep, same results as mine except yours is not sorted by that column automatically.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
yeah I forgot to change the orderby
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Also mine rounds the numbers.
For some reason. Not that I explicitly told it to.
@Mitch:
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
4:15 PM
itch!
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
I'll put up no resistance, I want to stay the distance, I've got a Mitch to scratch, I need assistance.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@RegDwigнt sweet dreams are made of this.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Hey hey, I saved the world today.
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected: +91-9950211818 job problem solution by tulsimata68 on english.stackexchange.com
 
Mitch
Mitch
Whatever did happen to Saturday night?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:28 PM
Oh so that's why they get deleted before I see them.
The last few times around I wasn't in chat, and kept wondering how the heck everyone was faster than me.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Why is smokedetector spamming our chat?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Robusto it's meant to help kill spam
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto It's intentional...to help us kill the spam. It's not supposed tobe spam itself. But it certainly feels that way.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Ah, OK. I didn't get the memo.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
dial +44 72387628436 for love advice, now!
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:33 PM
me neither.
@MattЭллен wait a minute..that's my phone number.
phone rings
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
whistles innocently
 
Mitch
Mitch
Gotta go answer the phone BBL.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
CU
 
Mitch
Mitch
That's not a phone # that's a ... well, it's something else. Phone #'s in england aren't 11 digits long are they?
By the way, I'm back.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
you mean to say I made it up?
well, that's preposterous
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:35 PM
Oh I'm sorry, no. I didn't mean to imply...
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
how would I just make up an invalid phone number?
 
Mitch
Mitch
I mean to say that you're a bald faced liar is all.
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
@Mitch You obviously didn't fool the smokedetector, since it hasn't reacted.
 
Mitch
Mitch
maybe even a cad or rake or roue.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
I am not roue
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
4:36 PM
roux
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FumbleFingers I took out the batteries when I burned my toast. I'll put them back in after I finish breakfast.
@AndrewLeach a good start to a sauce.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
apparently that's what a roue looks like
I look quite different
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@MattЭллен I'm getting a busy signal. Can everyone else please hang up now? I really need this advice.
3
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MattЭллен no comment
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
@RegDwigнt The busy signal is part of the training program. Men need to learn to hold back until the woman is satisfied.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:40 PM
Woe me(n).
 
Robusto
Robusto
So @SmokeDetector is here to help. I see how it works now. I think they should have posted something about this.
2
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Yes. The first person ever to do that, and it's not even a person.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Pinning that for a few days so others may avoid my consternation.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Robusto There were chat posts about it.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Who reads chat?
 
Robusto
Robusto
4:43 PM
@RegDwigнt This.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
You should have posted it on the main site. And titled it "gender issues". And then Rob still wouldn't have seen it.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@RegDwigнt I thought of a good slogan for a phone sex company: "Stick it in our ear"
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Sexy. You should be in advertising or something.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Oct 2 at 18:29, by Undo
@Arrowfar It's a bot that checks every new question that comes in for signs of spam.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't read chat from people in their undies.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:45 PM
It should check them for Signs of M. Night Shyamalan, too. Just saying.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
Oct 2 at 18:38, by Andrew Leach
As you may have seen, @Undo has implemented a feed to post suspected spam or other undesirable posts to chat. It was my suggestion, so please don't shoot him. Hopefully the posts will get dealt with even more quickly and spammers can be deterred even more.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Robusto That's what you think. I've worn undies every single time I've chatted here.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Jun 20 '11 at 15:00, by RegDwight
Wait, what? You are clothed?
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If you're lying, I don't want to know.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Jun 5 '13 at 19:52, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
yes.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:46 PM
Well. Before I forget: thank you @Undo.
The last three times I noticed, it seemed to work wonders.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
I think the record is 16 seconds.
 
Matt Эллен
Matt Эллен
bai
 
Robusto
Robusto
I still don't think he should have been named SmokeDetector, though. Maybe Macro Polo or something like that.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@Reg You have now becoming “seemingly reputable”.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Robusto it's a free chat, you can build your own Marco Polo. With blackjack and hookers.
@tchrist yes, Rob pointed it out earlier today.
 
Robusto
Robusto
4:50 PM
@RegDwigнt You misread my post.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
2 hours ago, by RegDwigнt
@Robusto which coincidentally was exactly the reason why I posted this answer. Now I have all the reps.
@Robusto no, I did misread your post.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Macro !== Marco
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
OMG witchcraft. How you dun it.
Well do me a favor and misread mine accordingly.
 
Robusto
Robusto
When I have the time, I misread all your stuff.
 
tchrist
tchrist
seamancraftsmanship is just seamancraft and statesmancraftmanship is just statesmancraft, sailing on the ship of state.
 
Robusto
Robusto
4:52 PM
@tchrist Statecraft.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Huhuh, he said semen.
 
tchrist
tchrist
mermen
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Maids are just a type of AIDS. That is so sexist.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Warlockcraft.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Q. Why do they call the camel the "ship of the desert"?
A. Because they're usually full of Arab seamen! (semen)
 
tchrist
tchrist
4:54 PM
Warkraft.
Narwhalecraft.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Robusto fun fact: "rab" is Russian for "slave".
 
tchrist
tchrist
Turnips.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Well it's pronounced "rub". But that only makes it funnier.
Never be rude to a camel, no matter what you do.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Broccoli raab.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Stefan Raab.
 
tchrist
tchrist
4:56 PM
Slob.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
 
tchrist
tchrist
Once bitten by a taipan, the poison will stay in your blood for life — all 30 minutes of it.
 
user116848
Hi all!
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
Helloes.
 
user116848
@RegDwigнt hi Reg
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
5:07 PM
Actually that's a bye from me because commute.
I usually commute earlier, but they are fixing some street somewhere, so the buses are somehow chock-full of students for some reason.
So the last three times or so I spent like 40 to 60 minutes outside in the rain waiting for a bus that would (a) actually stop and (b) have any room left.
Today I'm trying to sit it out instead. Let's see how it works out.
Lators.
 
user116848
Sure. See ya!
 
user116848
Bye.
 
Undo
Undo
5:19 PM
@RegDwigнt It's @ProgramFOX and @hichris and @Manish you should thank, I really just host it ;)
 
ProgramFOX
ProgramFOX
:)
 
medica
medica
@RegDwigнt Lovely pic. Which one is Fumble Fingers?
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
5:40 PM
Hello @FumbleFingers long time no see.
 
user116848
@medica Are Reg and FF really in the pic? :-)
 
user116848
Where?
 
Robusto
Robusto
@tchrist A fun fact from Things That Can Kill You Horribly in Australia: Vol. XIX.
@RegDwigнt I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that's the Swedish band whose name happens to be a palindrome?
 
tchrist
tchrist
Idiot.
No, what does vegetable mean? Suppose a carrot is a vegetable. It is a plant which is not a fruit. A tomato is a plant but it is a fruit; it is a vegetable? A mushroom is neither plant nor animal. Honey is not a plant, not an animal, and not a fungus. What does vegetable mean??? — tchrist 27 secs ago
“Animal, vegetable, or mineral” leaves a lot of shit out, and is confusing besides. “Vegetable” has no useful definition.
 
Robusto
Robusto
6:00 PM
5
A: What is the difference between a mode and a scale?

RobustoSorry, but I have to chime in after all this time. The answers given here, while accurate, convey none of the most critical distinctions, nor of how modes sound to the ear in a way different from scales. And how things sound is what music is all about. Otherwise you may as well describe the diffe...

Hmm, this just got a down vote. I wonder what their problem with the answer is.
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
6:12 PM
@JasperLoy Yeah, it's been a while. I only came in to see if I could drum up support for getting this meta question closed, but it doesn't seem to have worked. I do feel for poor Yoichi though.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@FumbleFingers Since you came in, do you have any punctuation guide to recommend me? After looking for many years, I still cannot find one I like.
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
@JasperLoy Flavour of the month for me is Joseph M Williams Style: Towards Clarity and Grace, but that's a more general approach more concerned with vocabulary and word order than punctuation. Comma use is somewhat declining overall, so a more recent guide might be better than an older one.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
6:34 PM
@FumbleFingers I once liked Trask's Guide to Punctuation, but it seems it is not mainstream punctuation.
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
@JasperLoy Long before I came to ELU I'd convinced myself that relatively speaking, written English (and the attendant punctuation) is an almost irrelevant poor relation of real (spoken) English. My interactions with John Lawler here have simply confirmed me in that position.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@FumbleFingers But punctuation allows for disambiguating certain sentences, or other things not well supported by speech.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
Perhaps I have no choice but to get the CGEL and read the last chapter on punctuation.
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I suppose if I called you out on that, you'd be able to produce an example where the spoken form is less "accurate" than the written form, but to a first approximation it's always the other way around.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@FumbleFingers Yes, there was an example just the other day in this chat, where for lack of a comma several readers misunderstood the sentence.
In speaking, you could emphasize the pause, but unless you did so, you wouldn't be able to say those words in that order without ambiguity.
Also, it's easy in writing to emphasize certain words or to "say things in quotes".
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
6:49 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, but would there have been any scope for misunderstanding if the relevant text had been spoken by a competent native speaker?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Just consider the growing use of "air quotes", when people are speaking.
@FumbleFingers Yes, I believe there would be, unless they were very careful.
I'll agree with you that language originates in speaking. The evidence is clear, when people can't remember if they should write their or there or they're, yet they're otherwise 100% correct and fluent.
They are writing the sound, in that case.
But writing provides other tools that speaking does not have.
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
Some people just think miming air quotes is "cute". It's easy to achieve the same effect by pauses and emphasis.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@FumbleFingers There is a difference between saying 'I went to the store' and 'I went to the "store"'.
(that is, if you air-quote it)
Otherwise, you have to... what? 'I went to the quote-unquote store', 'I went to the so-called store', etc.
Punctuation and text style are tools that can convey information. Just like speaking has intonation which cannot be conveyed in writing, so too writing has punctuation which cannot be conveyed in speaking.
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Absent context, I've absolutely no idea what "non-standard" sense of store you might have in mind. But in speech I could still either simply place more stress on the word, or dra....www it out to an obviously unnatural length.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@FumbleFingers Maybe it's not a shop that sells goods, but rather a church positioned to try to recruit people, with a veneer of products for sale.
The point is that quoting something has meaning: it distances the writer/speaker from the word. It's not my word for that thing, they call themselves a store, I call them a cult.
You can easily punctuate it and then that distancing is clear.
Drawing it out doesn't do the same. It just shows that you have some emphasis, but what? Why are you saying it like that?
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
7:06 PM
@FumbleFingers While you are here, is there any grammar book you particularly want to recommend?
 
FumbleFingers
FumbleFingers
My parents have an "outhouse" they use as an "overspill larder". They and all close family call it "the shop" with no particular emphasis (because we all know what we mean anyway). If there's someone else around, we mostly emphasise the word to alert non-cognoscenti to an unusual usage.
 
Kabir
Kabir
Hello Everyone!
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@FumbleFingers yes. You are alerting them to something. But that's not the same as putting quotes on it. Air quotes serve a purpose, and they are an example of punctuation going from print to speech.
 
Kabir
Kabir
Can anyone help in making my sentence clearer and crisper?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Also, aside from punctuation, I'm sure there are lots of other examples of linguistic innovation that occurs in writing. words like pwned, for example.
@Kabir possibly
 
Kabir
Kabir
7:16 PM
Awesome
Here it is "The Google Talent Development team announces The Language Tip Of The Week. The tip will help us better communicate with our client and making the environment error free"...
Is anyone looking at it?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
should be "make the environment"
 
Kabir
Kabir
Roger that
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
So when can I get Lollipop on my phone, eh?
 
Kabir
Kabir
what else do you think I should change?
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
I dunno. without further context it's hard to tell if there are other problems. It seems odd to me that client is singular.
A "blah blah of the week" thing is usually long-running and outlives particular client relationships. At least conceptually.
 
Kabir
Kabir
7:25 PM
Your view point helped me. Thank you :)
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
np
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
Hello @medica! You look younger now, lol.
 
medica
medica
@MattЭллен, @KitFox, @AndrewLeach, @RegDwigнt, @every mod - would one of you just post an answer that this behavior is fine, ok, not optimal but not abusive, something you're mulling over and haven't decided, something that probably should be frowned upon, or whatever so I can accept the answer and we can all move on? Jeeze.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
yesterday, by medica
@IceBoy :D I'm planning to get progressively younger as I age.
@medica do you like chess?
 
medica
medica
7:41 PM
The only reason there's so much drama about it is that it involves an 81 yr. old venerated user who doesn't like it when his questions are closed. OK. Tell me no biggie, we can accept this, can't we, he's a great user*, or whatever excuse or belief you have.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
no biggie
 
medica
medica
You have the ability to shut this down right now with an answer, and I won't make a stink over whatever you say. But please say something.
@IceBoy :-D if you were a moderator, and you pisted that as an answer, I'd accept it!
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
:D)
 
medica
medica
That seems a relatively innocuous request; I'm not sure I understand your not taking a stand on this one way or another, anything coming from our mod(s) would be accepted.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
 
medica
medica
7:45 PM
@IceBoy Love it. Now post that, and forge a mod's signature, will ya? And let's be done. :-D
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
sure, this all apart of the internet "subculture."
 
medica
medica
Ah, @JasperLoy - I shall continue to get younger before your very eyes. For $5 I will sell you my secret!
@MattЭллен, @KitFox, @AndrewLeach, @RegDwigнt, etc. The mods here know the hub-bub that occurred last time. I have **no desire** to bring it up. It was apologized for and I feel it's resolved. The issue, though, is pending.
I might have anticipated that it might come to that, but I never thought it would. Your silence is puzzling. Maybe you want the community to decide?
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
they are probably all just busy right now
 
medica
medica
Well... that's fine, too, I guess, but things are beginning to get messy, no small thanks to you, @FumbleFingers, with all your rhetoric about public disembowelment, which you then disingenously call "joking".
@IceBoy Yes, but will this not remain as a ping for one of them?
@IceBoy - am I misunderstanding, that if I @them, they will be notified eventually and will see the request?
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@medica They will see it.
 
medica
medica
7:56 PM
@JasperLoy Ok, thanks. :)
(Hey, for you, that's Ok, thanks, lol! :-)
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
LOL
 
medica
medica
:-D
daaayyumm
I wish the mods would just post an answer. It's not like they're protecting some DaVinci Code of Conduct or anything.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@medica Some questions do not have easy answers, which is why there is still no mode answer.
 
medica
medica
And with that, I'm done with my earnest plea.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
Anyway, just wait a few more days and see how it goes.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
8:01 PM
good advice^
 
medica
medica
@JasperLoy Hmm, do you think that's all there is to it? I would love it if it were that simple, or if they left a comment to that effect, or something.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@medica I have a question to ask you. If one day you had to do something you feel is morally right but is also legally wrong, how would you decide whether to do it or not?
 
medica
medica
@JasperLoy For me, the spirit of the law superseeds the letter of the law, si I'd go for the morally correct decision.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@medica You misspelled supercedes.
 
medica
medica
Now, enlighten me, for you have studied Buddha's words.
@JasperLoy Jasper, I do that to give you something to do! (j/k)
I'm always misspelling someting. or ohter.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
8:04 PM
@medica Hmm, but would you say that it matters what the consequences are? If you go to jail for a long time or have to pay a heavy fine for doing something that helps others only minimally, it may not be worth it?
 
medica
medica
Give me an example, if you will, please.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
The example I have in mind, I would rather not share, sorry. But something has been plaguing me for a long time, which is why I ask.
 
medica
medica
ah, sorry to hear that.
Let me try to imagine such a scenario, then.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
OK, you are Christian right?
Let me give you an example that you might like then, which is not my situation, of course.
 
medica
medica
Some people (yes, I am) believe in Situation Ethics. I'm not one of those.
ok.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
8:08 PM
it depends on how "severely plagued" you feel, right?
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@medica Suppose you want to tell people in a certain country about Jesus Christ, but for doing so, you will be arrested and executed. What will you do?
 
Mitch
Mitch
If you live in Liberia you might feel 'severely plagued'.
 
medica
medica
Tell people about Jesus Christ, if I'm brave enough.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
Wow, you are very courageous.
 
medica
medica
@Mitch Indeed. horrible, isn't it? I actually tried to sign up with MSF, but I was not accepted.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
8:10 PM
I want to do something in my country, but I do not want to get into trouble.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto The video you linked to wasn't loud enough. It's all your fault therefore -1
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
how severely does your moral conscious bother you?
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@IceBoy I have been thinking of doing something for the last decade or so.
 
medica
medica
No, Jasper, I'm not very courageous. Bit I would want to be. Maybe I would be given the courage to share the Gospel. On the other hand, I don't believe in forcing it down anybody's throat.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica You'd think they'd want as many people as possible.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
8:11 PM
@Mitch I don't know Liberia. What is happening there?
@medica What is MSF?
 
medica
medica
I know, right?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@JasperLoy Doctors Without Borders
 
medica
medica
French for Doctors Without Borders.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Jinx!!
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
@medica it is their loss
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:12 PM
@JasperLoy the plague.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
@Mitch ba dum tss
 
medica
medica
I went to Africa decades ago (I owe you a coke!) with World Medical Missions (now Samaritan's Purse) which is also doing Ebola work there. Maybe I should apply there.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
It is a very difficult decision for me to make, to do or not do the thing. I am still thinking about it.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FumbleFingers I hate it when people do that, like little bunny ears. The only right way to do it is single quotes.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
@JasperLoy just don't let it torment you
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:14 PM
@IceBoy I'm here all day! or until I leave.
 
medica
medica
Jasper, you should seek the counsel of people wiser than I am.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
I will be speaking to my lawyer friend about the legality of what I hope to do.
 
medica
medica
If it torments you, really, then bite the bullet and make a decision. If it's not the one you wish you were brave enough to make, just accept it and forgive yourself.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
will it make you feel that much better about life?
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@IceBoy That is a good question for which I have no clear answer currently.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
8:17 PM
and I mean your life, knowing that you helped others
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@medica Thank you for your opinion.
 
medica
medica
@Mitch - Hi, btw, Nice to see you here. I had no idea you were a doctor of letters.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@IceBoy Thank you for your opinion.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
thanks for asking
 
medica
medica
oops, not me. sorry
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
8:18 PM
@medica he thanked you also :-)
 
medica
medica
:-) ok. thanks.
Obama and others have made a big deal of quarantines on the basis that it might decrease the US' responders. I responded not two weeks ago, and I was told they were not accepting doctors to go to Ebola-striken areas anymore, that they had enough docs n the ground (this was MSF/DWB). So I'm a bit puzzled.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
42 mins ago, by Ice Boy
@medica do you like chess?
 
medica
medica
Oh, I forgot. Yes, I love chess.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
:D)
we are going to "watch" the game on Chess.SE
 
medica
medica
No one here will play with me any more though, so I'm sure I'd be rusty now.
Oh, I didn't even know there was a Chess SE. D'oh! Thanks for telling me!
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:23 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 some people say out loud "lol": el-oh-el
ef-ef-ess.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@Mitch double-you tee eff
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica Yes, K and L. They're underrated.
 
medica
medica
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 dubbayou tee eff. :)
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
I was looking at the 4 grammar books written by Huddleston today. Any one here has compared them all?
 
medica
medica
@Mitch lol! Are they healthy?
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:26 PM
@medica hard to judge. different group, non-governmental, one of many. Individual hospitals are probably gearing up to send people, etc, etc. But yes, that sounds weird.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Aye! Kay Arrrrr.
 
medica
medica
@Mitch I thought so too. I was, like, doubleyou tee eff, I thought you guys needed help?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica They get by.
 
medica
medica
But they offered a teaching hospital somewhere far away. Nah. Nice, but not what I was volunteering for.
I guess.
I bet they'd take me if I was a nurse, though.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Southern France?
 
medica
medica
lol, I wish.
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:29 PM
@medica well, in West Africa, i'm sure you'd be expected to do a lot of that yourself in addition to bringing your own supplies.
 
medica
medica
"N eye see ee" lol.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica No, Cannes.
 
medica
medica
Which I could do. I'm a big girl. BUT NOOOOooooooo....
i dunno. Maybe it's just not in the cards for me.
I mean, I even speak French fluently.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
Anyone here knows the IB and A level exams well enough? I am trying to compare which is harder in whatever sense, not that I need to take either of them.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I have no tea leaves for you. Well, yes I do, but they're used and they'd be all dried out and scuzzy by the time they reach you.
 
medica
medica
8:31 PM
I don't know how I could be better qualified for on the ground work. I'm not an epidemiologist, but I could be a nurse.
OK, I'll pass in that case.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica that would be a bonus in West Africa. Is Sierra Leone English speaking?
 
medica
medica
@JasperLoy not me. I don't even know what they are.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica What's your specialty? ED?
 
medica
medica
@Mitch I don't know.
ED/Family Medicine
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
Is there a standard exam that high school kids in the US take before college? I am not talking about SAT.
 
medica
medica
8:33 PM
i dunno.
@JasperLoy No, I don't think so.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica Among all the disciplines excluding ID, I would think that would be the next most qualified. Especially since I bet half of everybody coming to the hospital there now has something flu-like but not the E thing.
@JasperLoy SAT or ACT is what everyone takes. But those interested in placing out of 1st year calculus take the Calculus AP exam.
 
medica
medica
@Mitch I know. And I studied parasitology, too, for the last time (Zaire), so I would have a grasp on the most common causes of fever and GI sx.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@Mitch OK. And there is AP for a whole range of topics and subjects?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica You've convinced me. I'd hire you! rather accept you as a volunteer.
 
medica
medica
I would need to brush up, of course, but I've treated malaria, cholera, schistosomiasis, etc...
@Mitch Thanks! Tell me where and when, I'll book my own tickets!
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:38 PM
@JasperLoy good question, because the answer is no. There's only one Math AP (Advanced Placement) and that's Calculus, because if you can do that then and only then is interesting math opened up to you. (where 'interesting' means having little to nothing to do with Calculus)
 
medica
medica
@Mitch Isn't there AP English, too? And AP(Spanish/2nd languages)?
 
Mitch
Mitch
Don't get me wrong, Calculus is great.
 
medica
medica
D'oh. Maths.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica Oh sure. But JL is interested in math so I thought he was asking about the breadth in math.
 
medica
medica
Right. got it now.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
8:40 PM
I took the GCE A level when I was in high school, following the British system.
But in recent years, the IB is also offered in some schools here.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
@Mitch don't you find that ironic?
 
medica
medica
@Mitch - what do you think I should do about my question in meta? Should I wait and hope for a mod to chime in, close it, or accept JR's answer or @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 or something?
well, delete it
@Mitch - I'm asking you because you're a pretty level headed guy, and you understand the issue. You also know the background, and that the apology has been accepted.
I'd love for a mod to say, naw, we shouldn't do this, but it's not a crime, but that doesn't seem to be forthcoming.
@Mitch - do you know if YO even knows about it?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@IceBoy not ironic. I don't think it is terrible, the high school math curriculum has to serve engineers (the whole range), the sciences, (future doctors), not just academic math.
@medica the qn about a mod reopening their own qn? It should go to meta.SE and not mention names. But separately a mod here should slap the person who did it.
 
medica
medica
(I guess I can't delete it after all. It has been answered.)
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@medica I'd just leave it. If no mod chimes in, then it stands as evidence that no mod cared enough when it was raised.
Don't feel the need to accept an answer.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
8:47 PM
@Mitch yes, it is a huge subject
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica There was an apology? oh. I didn't see that. And it was accepted by you?
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Or that they have no conclusion for themselves.
 
medica
medica
@Mitch for the first incident, yes, you know, after the names.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 This is good advice.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@medica 'the incident'? the first one that was months ago? The one immediately after the election?
 
medica
medica
@Mitch But so is this.
@Mitch yes, that one.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
8:49 PM
@JasperLoy If they care, they should come to a conclusion. If they don't care, then the meta post stands as evidence that they didn't think it was important. Later on, either this will get worse, and they can't say they weren't warned, or it will stay the same (arguably not a problem ATM), or it will get better.
 
medica
medica
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That seems fair.
And if the community wants to close it, or the mods want to migrate some version of it, that's what the community wants.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, I am not arguing with you but the first sentence to me is logically flawed.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
If anyone wants to raise the same question on MSE, that's a separate thing and has nothing to do with this question here.
@JasperLoy Which sentence?
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If they care, they should come to a conclusion. Because maybe they care about the matter but it is a grey area and hard to come to a definitive answer.
 
medica
medica
@Mitch, @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 - this helps me. Thank you both.
I think I'll tone down my responses and I certainly won't fight closure.
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:53 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 come to think of it, I wouldn't be surprised if it has already been addressed there.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@JasperLoy I don't care if it's hard. IF they care, THEN they SHOULD come to a conclusion. Maybe they CAN'T, that doesn't mean that they are absolved from the responsibility of trying.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Relax, no need to use CAPS, lol.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Well! You accuse me of illogic! I only take that from Cerb.
 
medica
medica
Thanks again, all. If anyone comes up with further nuggets of wisdom, please do feel free to share.
I think I'll clean up my edit and be silent from now on. Whatever happens, happens, and as you said (thank you) the issue was raised. It's done.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
It is finished.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
8:57 PM
You have done all you can.
 
medica
medica
I'm off. Thanks, guys. Yes, a small matter compared to the big "It is finished."
yep.
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
later
 
medica
medica
CU
:-)
 
Ice Boy
Ice Boy
:-)
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@JasperLoy Anyway it's the mods' jobs to deal with problem behaviour. If someone raises a question about problem behaviour they should at least address it. They either have to act, or not act, but not acting is a kind of action, in that it allows the behaviour to continue. Maybe the mods can't come up with a hard-and-fast rule, but they should be able to address specific instances of behaviour.
 
Stack Exchange
Stack Exchange
9:17 PM
Limerick Machine: I once had a big head of hair Look at me from under a stair It was hypnotic Somewhat...
posted on November 04, 2014 by sgdi

I once had a big head of hair Look at me from under a stair It was hypnotic Somewhat psychotic Enticing me into its lair

 
 
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Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
10:49 PM
This chat is dead.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
11:03 PM
@medica I have a feeling the moderators don't want to pass judgement on one of their number. A moderator acts with the authority he [she!] was elected to hold. The comment that a moderator acts rather than votes is telling.
Occasionally a mod may make an error of judgement; occasionally he may simply make a mistake and not realise a "vote" is actually an act.
Occasionally what might appear to be an error of judgement or a mistake is in fact neither and is perfectly justified and correct.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
Exactly. Everyone makes mistakes, even God.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
No, God doesn't make mistakes. Please don't interrupt when I'm thinking. Now, where was I...?
Oh yes.
I know I've been extremely busy over the last couple of weeks and haven't really been involved here much at all. So I haven't seen the question in question.
I'd be inclined to wait for a Community Manager to chime in, since it's actually quite awkward for moderators. Or, you could raise a general question on Meta.SE as has been suggested.
 
KitFox
KitFox
Hi @Andrew.
@Jasper.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
For myself, I'd be quite happy for a mod action on their own post to be actually a vote.
Hi Kit.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@KitFox Hello!
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
11:09 PM
Sorry Jasper: please carry on. I've finished :-)
 
KitFox
KitFox
I responded to @medica's post. You should feel free to comment or dissent as you like.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
Ooh. I seem to have missed quite a bit.
 
KitFox
KitFox
I was hoping Oishi-san would respond himself.
I agreed it was important to have a member of the mod team respond in some fashion.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
Goes off to look...
 
KitFox
KitFox
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Remembering, remembering the fifth of Novembering (no tags)
That is all.
 
Andrew Leach
Andrew Leach
11:13 PM
Returns
Oh.
Anyway, my response here isn't entirely inconsistent with @Kit's.
 
medica
medica
11:36 PM
@AndrewLeach, @KitFox - Thank you for your responses. They are much appreciated. I'm quite comfortable with the reasoning in your response(s).
@AndrewLeach Yes, this comment was helpful to me, too.
With all said and done, though, I hope it doesn't always happen.
 
Jasper Loy
Jasper Loy
@medica I feel you get upset over small things quite often, but that is just a feeling.
 
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