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The surface of the earth is not an insulated container; nor does it have a uniform temperature; nor does it lack ways to convert heat into other forms of energy.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The specific post about the limits of energy growth on earth: physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/07/galactic-scale-energy

Einsteins Grandson

in 10 or 20 years... it is gonna be 6.5 billion

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

10:04 PM

@Cerberus Yes, and he accounts for that in his post.

Cerberus

You made me read it, and he did not.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Energy cannot be stored as easily as you make it sound.

Einsteins Grandson

in 2050 there is gonna be 10 billion peple and 99% will have an internet

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

There are other posts where he discusses the various arguments. Seriously, read the whole blog. It's more than one article.

Einsteins Grandson

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99% or 99.9%

or 99.99%

Cerberus

10:05 PM

Is he a climate-change denier, blaming temperature changes on exhaust heat?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> The Earth gets rid of its energy by radiating into space, mostly at infrared wavelengths. No other paths are available for heat disposal. The absorption and emission are in near-perfect balance, in fact. If they were not, Earth would slowly heat up or cool down. - See more at: physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/07/galactic-scale-energy/…

> Indeed, we have diminished the ability of infrared radiation to escape, leading to global warming. - See more at: physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/07/galactic-scale-energy/…

Einsteins Grandson

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Cerberus

Well, there you go.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus there I go what?

Einsteins Grandson

tell me whatever is in the blog in 3 sentences please

Cerberus

10:07 PM

We can, for example, also increase the ability of the earth to radiate infrared.

Einsteins Grandson

so what is the conlusion?

please

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Can we? Because if we can, scientists would love to know.

@EinsteinsGrandson The conclusion is that if we somehow maintain the current 2.3% energy use growth per year that has been sustained on average for the last century, in 400 years the surface of the planet reaches 100°C, or water-boiling point.

Cerberus

If we have all the excess energy you predict we shall have, then surely we will be able to do so.

The more energy we have, the more power.

Einsteins Grandson

what?

Cerberus

The more we can do.

Einsteins Grandson

10:09 PM

what we have 90% of our energy from Sun?

then what?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus See, this is the kind of hand-waving that I despair to hear. On one hand we have a basic limit of the earth's temperature, which is based on science. On the other hand, you just dismiss it based on "surely we'll find some solution".

Cerberus

It's just a theoretical answer to a theoretical scenario.

Einsteins Grandson

i know 1 thing for sure

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's not a theoretical scenario. It's a fundamental limit.

Cerberus

But let's not have this discussion again.

Einsteins Grandson

10:10 PM

it is possible to manufacture notebook or phone or tablet that has lower energy consumption

and it will be easier and easier

Cerberus

I think it's nonsense, you don't, and we're not going to reach consensus.

Einsteins Grandson

so the cars will need mayhbe 10% of energy they need now

as well as the whole household

we can produce food for maybe 100 billion people

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@EinsteinsGrandson That is impossible. He has a different blog post which addresses fundamental physical limits to the future efficiency of common inventions such as cars, light bulbs, etc.

anyway I have to go. bye

Einsteins Grandson

today 30% - 50% of food is just wasted in developed world - US+ Europe ...

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Consider this: if we continue to increase our energy output, what will the input be? Solar energy and wind energy. Those methods take away more energy from the surface than they give back in usable energy.

Einsteins Grandson

10:12 PM

so then what?

they take away energy from surface then what?

what do u mean?

by that

Cerberus

Then nothing.

Einsteins Grandson

output - energy we consume?

input - energy we generate?

right?

Cerberus

That means any additional heat that we dissipate by using energy we have first removed from the surface, so there is no net increase in heat energy.

Einsteins Grandson

in 2050 there is gonna be 10 billion people and maybe 60% to 80% will have a Master degree

so,

there is gonna be 10 times more universities than it is now

so more sciences

more results

we will share all the knowledge for free on the internet

so there is gonna be much more people out there solving physics problems than today

Cerberus

Good.

Einsteins Grandson

10:16 PM

people will be living in Mars

and maybe other planets

already today 3D printers for human organs exist

maybe we will be able to make a surgery on your brain and raise your IQ from 130 to 330

as i said this is just the begining

MετάEd

@EinsteinsGrandson The dumber you are, the smarter you think you are. So an ice pick will do.

Einsteins Grandson

i dont understand, i am sorrry

Ice pick is what?

MετάEd

Lobotomy

Lobotomy (: "lobe (of brain)"; τομή – tomē: "cut/slice") is a neurosurgical procedure, a form of psychosurgery, also known as a leukotomy or leucotomy (from the Greek λευκός – leukos: "clear/white" and tome). It consists of cutting or scraping away most of the connections to and from the prefrontal cortex, the anterior part of the frontal lobes of the brain. While the procedure, initially termed a leucotomy, has been controversial since its inception in 1935, it was a mainstream procedure for more than two decades, prescribed for psychiatric (and occasionally other) condition...

Einsteins Grandson

so?

make patient smarter not dumber...

i want to do the opposite

MετάEd

"The dumber you are, the smarter you think you are."

Cerberus

10:21 PM

So you think you know all this.

What does that say about you?

And why are you a robot with a Santaclaus hat on?

MετάEd

@Cerberus It says nothing: I think I'm smart, but that could be either because I am smart, or because I am dumb.

Einsteins Grandson

i know one thing for sure

MετάEd

@Cerberus YOU WILL KNEEL BEFORE THE DALEK COMMANDER

Einsteins Grandson

stupid people don't have imagination

for them its hard to imagine new things

or understand hard topics like maths or quantum physics...

MετάEd

♫ life is hard -- but life is hardest when you're dumb ♫

Cerberus

10:24 PM

@MετάEd Are you sure? Doesn't it also work the other way around?

MετάEd

♫ no joie de vivre, just endless hours of tedium ♫

Cerberus

The Dalek who?

Einsteins Grandson

when you are dumb, life is great

you don't need much

MετάEd

♫ thoughts you don't have remain unheard ♫

Einsteins Grandson

sex, TV and food

MετάEd

10:25 PM

♫ because you cannot find the words ♫

♫ life is hard, but life is hardest when you're dumb ♫

Einsteins Grandson

that's all stupid people need

so they are happy when they have these 3 things

Cerberus

Phew, Bitcoin is on the rise again.

Buy now!

Einsteins Grandson

once i buy all the Bitconins, what will happen?

Cerberus

The very best Bitcoins! One for the price of 800!

@EinsteinsGrandson Then...you will be bankrupt?

MετάEd

@EinsteinsGrandson Earl Butz lost his job over a similar comment.

Einsteins Grandson

10:26 PM

i can sell it for 10 times higher price than for which i bought them?

what do you mean with Earl Butz ?

MετάEd

If it sounds too good to be true ... it probably is.

Einsteins Grandson

imagine, I am Bill Gates and I buy all the bitcoins

then what?

i can dictate the price right?

;o)

MετάEd

@EinsteinsGrandson I mentioned a fact about Earl Butz. If you are unfamiliar, you can almost certainly find it on his Wikipedia bio page.

Einsteins Grandson

or on the other hand i will lose all the money i invested into it

Cerberus

@EinsteinsGrandson Not even Bill Gates could do that.

As soon as you start buying en masse, you will drive up the price.

MετάEd

10:29 PM

Is there a big market for masse?

Is it zero carbon?

Einsteins Grandson

haha

Cerberus

No.

Einsteins Grandson

ok , but what if i somehow manage to buy all the bitcoins?

Cerberus

The computer transactions will create some CO2.

Einsteins Grandson

i will lose all the money i invested into it right?

Cerberus

10:31 PM

Hard to say. They may lose all value, if everybody loses interest.

But I doubt everybody would be willing to sell his bitcoins to you. Or able.

Einsteins Grandson

ok

what if all the money of the world will cease to exist

and only bitcoins will exist

banks will go bankrupt

;o)

are they not shaking already?

;o)

aedia λ

@MετάEd Dalek Santa is so adorable!

MετάEd

@aediaλ YOU WILL HAVE A HAPPY CHRISTMAS SEASON

Tim Timmy

10:51 PM

For Latin lovers:

Is this a correct translation?:

Deo pro nobis

Thanks :)

translate.google.com/#en/la/God%20is%20on%20our%20side

KitFox

@Mitch Noted.

Cerberus

@TimTimmy A translation of...what?

@TimTimmy Nope, that's not correct.

Tim Timmy

j

Cerberus

You could say Deus favet nobis.

"God favours us".

Tim Timmy

@Cerberus Thank you! Anyway Microsoft did a strange underline:

Cerberus

10:56 PM

> făvĕo, fāvi, fautum, 2, v. n. [perh. root φαf-, φάος, φῶς, light, safety; cf. also foveo], to be favorable, to be well disposed or inclined towards, to favor, promote, befriend, countenance, protect (class.; syn.: studeo, foveo, diligo, amo).

Tim Timmy

Cerberus

Right, that looks odd.

Tim Timmy

@Cerberus I'm making this Armada medal to celebrate the English victory over the Spanish.

RegDwigнt

¡¡¡Web Applications deserves the best, elect Evan Carroll!!!

Tim Timmy

@RegDwigнt ??

@Cerberus Thanks for your help!

Cerberus

11:04 PM

@TimTimmy Cool!

Tim Timmy

Cerberus

> Even Jeff Atwood has given me honorable mention, and recently he has hired a full time staff member to send me T-shirts.

That's good to know.

I am now 100 % certain he is a (non-communist) troll.

MετάEd

@Cerberus "Now?"

Not a year ago or more?

You're a hard man to convince!

Cerberus

It seemed possible that he was merely crazy.

But to some degree sincere.

Cerberus

11:35 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Is Canada secretly trying to tie itself to ACTA after all?

> Canada may be about to pass some laws to effectively tie itself to ACTA's ridiculous requirements. The bill was originally introduced back in March, but was never considered by the Canadian Parliament. However, in late October, it was reintroduced under a new code, C-8, and it looks like it's moving forward, despite almost no public discussion of it anywhere.

techdirt.com/articles/20131201/22105325420/…

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