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6:00 PM
@Færd By that you presumably mean "the [[[most] supremely] awful] day"?
 
Yup.
 
At any rate, I would classify your example as pleonastic and therefore infelicitous.
I'd say either the most awful day or a supremely awful day.
You might even call it a contamination.
 
@Cerberus And therefore ungrammatical?
 
The most supremely is something I'd never say.
Oops.
 
Well, grammatical is not a super hard boundary. So it's hard to say.
It is a spectrum, rather, between optimal and gibberish.
 
6:02 PM
I heard it from a native speaker, but that doesn't guarantee its correctness.
 
Indeed not.
@TIPS +1
 
Perhaps most means very here?
 
Most can mean that.
 
No, I guess not. Because of the the.
 
But you don't need to reinforce supremely that way, because it already indicated the apex of something.
 
6:04 PM
@Cerberus swaffelen.
 
@RegDwigнt Küchenkästlein.
 
Eierlecken!
 
Leck yourself!
 
Also, you misspelled Chuchichäschtli.
 
Or follow Mozart's advice.
 
6:04 PM
tsk tsk tsk
 
I spelled it that way in my mind.
 
@Cerberus Leck you in the arse? Gross!
 
Blame Wolfie.
Does he always use in?
 
Yeah thank god Salieri took care of that.
 
What did he do?
 
6:05 PM
So anyway I have question for word in language english.
An SWR if you will.
 
Then why are you in this room?
 
Because no reasons.
 
Fair enough.
 
So anyway.
 
@KitZ.Fox Anyway, do you find the original phrase (the most supremely awful day) weird or off or something? Or does it sound natural to you?
 
6:06 PM
Anyway means prachtig.
Was there anything else?
 
You know how there's different words to express how people talk. Like, speak, shout, murmur, whisper.
 
No.
 
@Mitch Like a chat window that opens in a new tab
That isn't awkward
 
@Cerberus Prachtige lullen swaffelen.
 
Your idea of fun.
 
6:07 PM
@Cerberus A Demisemihemidemisemiquaver is a 1/256'th note
 
I've no idea of anything, much less fun.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver That's...short!
How sad.
 
So anyway, continuing on. Those examples obviously exist in all languages. But every language has its own peculiar verbs on top of that.
 
@Cerberus I chose it because I care about things about as long as a Demisemihemidemisemiquaver lasts
 
Size matters?
 
6:08 PM
Specifically, I am looking at the Russian verb that means "filter through one's teeth", or "push (out) through one's teeth".
Not aware of anything similar in English or German.
Does Dutch offer something to that extent?
 
Is it like making the tsss sound?
 
Ah no.
More like speaking through your teeth.
Obviously the reason depends on context.
 
Hmm.
 
@RegDwigнt talk to @MattE.Эллен about that
 
Like, you could be filtering an utterance through your teeth because you're annoyed, or angry, or arrogant.
 
6:11 PM
I believe he might know more in that sense
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver I was thinking more like @tchrist.
 
I was thinking @Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
 
I was thinking prachtige lullen swaffelen.
 
What did you need me for @Demisemihemidemisemiquaver?
 
I think we normally write that out, as in hij sprak door zijn tanden, or hij klemde zijn kaken op elkaar en sprak.
 
6:11 PM
Just needed a Russian verb @Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
 
I see.
That's quite a mouthful.
 
I don't speak Russian, @Demisemihemidemisemiquaver!
 
Indeed.
 
Also, who the fuck says "tanden" for "Zähne"? That's hilarious.
 
Too many notes.
 
6:12 PM
What does the word sound like in Russian?
 
Ok then @Demisemihemidemisemiquaver
 
Your language is all breaked.
 
Tand = dent-.
Just reversed a bit.
 
@Cerberus процедить (сквозь зубы).
through-filter (through teeth)
 
@Færd Sounds fine to me. Pleonasms aren't ungrammatical, but they are semantically uncomfortable. But anyway I find this just emphasis rather than strictly redundant pleonasm.
wink wink
 
6:13 PM
Hmm that sounds like prochedit, something like that?
Sounds like Latin, almost.
 
ts, not ch
 
Ah OK.
 
ц != ч
 
As in ulitsa, I knew that.
 
You knew everything. But then you forgot. No news there.
 
6:14 PM
I should play Geoguesser and land in Volvograd more often.
True.
 
I've not played that one for years.
 
@RegDwigнt tschah
 
Like, literally since the last time we played in this very room.
 
I replayed when a friend posted his "high scores" somewhere.
 
@Mitch -tschah-tschah.
 
6:14 PM
That's quite a while ago.
 
And so it is.
 
I thought Sweden had Volvoland.
 
@Cerberus the trees in russian geoguessr never have leaves.
even the pines
 
Pines have elms, duh.
 
The thing is, you have to be in South America, Africa, or Europe, or it's less fun.
 
6:15 PM
Or in South Africa. So many robots!
 
australia is hard.
 
@Mitch Even the pines? That's hardly proper.
 
as dirt
 
Someone did that and got dropped in a mountain range
 
@Cerberus they cover themselves embarassedly
 
6:16 PM
@RegDwigнt Die Antwoord?
 
Lol wtf.
You know the Antwoord?
 
Who doesn't?
 
Holy something.
 
I like them.
 
6:16 PM
Mommy! He said the Antwoord!
 
@Mitch Oh thanks. I've got to think more about that. Maybe search some corpora.
 
@Cerberus Yeah you're like that. I know.
 
Because they aren't stupid.
And I know from one of their clips what a robot is.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver can't you just... open a new window/tab?
 
@Mitch It weird out the chat layout and cuts off sentences
Oh crap nvm
 
6:18 PM
@Cerberus speaking of stupid, do you know how many YouTube videos there are that teach Americans how to pronounce "die Antwoord" correctly?
 
That's pretty cool
 
OVER 9000 is the actual answer here.
 
@Færd search some google instead...
 
@RegDwigнt No, but are they all wrong?
 
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6:18 PM
Ah.
Americans aren't supposed to watch Die Antwoord.
 
@Cerberus yeah half of them actually are. Getting the "r" wrong, or the "woord".
 
Of course.
 
Like, they'll pronounce it "word" rather than "wurd".
 
Umm.
Now I need to consult Forvo in order not to embarrass myself...
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver dude... I'm minding. but there's always the mobile interface...also has its weirdisms
 
6:20 PM
@Cerberus I'm using the German "u" here.
 
Oh, yes, the ur sound.
 
Antwurd.
 
But is it the German u?
 
That and my school's network pretty much cuts off internet usage for mobile devices
 
@Cerberus and the american 'o'?
 
Forve sounds more like English/Dutch short u.
 
@Cerberus Well no but pretty close to it.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver oh.
 
You know what I mean.
 
I hear a schwa?
 
6:20 PM
just agree with him
 
So anyway, a close friend of mine, or should I say the father of my godson, is a fan.
 
MY OPINION IS ALWAYS RIGHT
 
@RegDwigнt You've already said too much
 
I'd heard of them before him, but they gave me the shivers so yeah.
 
HAIL THE DEMISEMIHEMIDEMISEMIGOD
 
6:21 PM
The shivers, really?
I how they're unorthodox.
 
@Mitch I haven't said enough. That's me in the corner. That's me in the spot. Light.
 
@RegDwigнt Did he also give you collywobbles, by any chance
 
And every single bit of every lyric and video clip of theirs is a parody.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver three and a half of them, yes.
@Cerberus which brings us right back to Americans and how they don't get humour.
 
Three and a half Standard Units?
Or Imperial Collywobbles?
 
6:22 PM
That goes without saying.
 
So to wrap it up, you've seen the movie they starred in?
 
4 mins ago, by Cerberus
Americans aren't supposed to watch Die Antwoord.
Then again, neither are Germans...
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver I had some once. or rather, just one. probably not the same frisson. more like a tingling.
 
I haven't, but I've watched the "Everything Wrong With" summary on YouTube.
 
Also PC and humourless (present company excepted).
I have not.
Should I?
 
6:23 PM
PC = present company.
 
Hah.
 
@Cerberus I don't know for I haven't watched.
 
And you have watched the EWW video of it.
 
Definitions for jiggery-pokery
Chiefly British. trickery, hocus-pocus; fraud; humbug.
Chiefly British. sly, underhanded action.
Chiefly British. manipulation: After a little jiggery-pokery, the engine started.
 
And the "Everything Wrong With" video, by definition, left no good hair on it, as another Russian saying goes.
 
6:23 PM
Typical.
 
@Cerberus Now I'm offended because I don't understand anything and I think you're talking about me.
 
Definitions for scroop
to emit a harsh, grating sound: The gate scrooped as he swung it shut.
a scrooping sound.
ability to make a rustling sound added to silk or rayon fabrics during finishing by treating them with certain acids.
 
Mitch is offended? What a cunt!
 
@Cerberus it's the worst.
 
@Mitch I'm talking about you as excepted!
 
6:24 PM
Scroop is probably my favorite word
 
You've not heard many words, then.
 
@RegDwigнt is that with the Dutch u or the american o
 
So don't errr incept yourself again.
Scroop is a nice word.
 
@Cerberus I'm exceptionally offended then
 
@Mitch it's a hole in the ground. But what do you know.
 
6:25 PM
huffs
 
@Mitch Better.
 
Definitions for botryoidal
Mineralogy. having the form of a bunch of grapes: botryoidal hematite.
I just have a list of these things
 
forgets to breath out
 
@Mitch I do that regularly
 
6:25 PM
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver /bot whois
 
So as I was saying. I must resume consummation of liquor, all the while you contemplate the answer to my original question.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver what's the one for broccoli?
 
@RegDwigнt I suspect that Dutch has no such word.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver fortunately for you you remembered
 
Recommencez.
 
6:26 PM
@tchrist Robert Smith begs to differ.
 
@RegDwigнt There was a question?
 
@Mitch aaasggggggvvvbnmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
@Mitch Yes?
Is this the time of the year for uptalking?
 
18 mins ago, by RegDwigнt
Specifically, I am looking at the Russian verb that means "filter through one's teeth", or "push (out) through one's teeth".
 
Or you're all Australians now?
 
6:27 PM
@RegDwigнt That is assuredly the case?
 
Bugger off?
 
Here we see the rare and elusive ELU User
We see them communicating in some fashion
 
@Cerberus that's not already answered by a million russians drinking tea?
 
@RegDwigнt By the way, Homer has a famous expression, "he spoke through the hedge of his teeth", or however that's normally translated.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver No, now you no longer see them for them's off to drink more.
 
6:28 PM
But it just means "he spoke".
 
@Cerberus His teeth scrooped as he talked
 
@Cerberus you have to filter the blood red sea through your teeth to keep the gobs of flesh out.
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver he talked through his collywobbles
 
@Mitch He and his buddy, after they were done with their jiggery-pokery, decided to engage in some clishmaclaver over there with their friend, who was known as being very bonhomie
Definitions for bonhomie
frank and simple good-heartedness; a good-natured manner; friendliness; geniality.
Definitions for clishmaclaver
Scot. gossip; idle or foolish talk.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver this homme was very bon
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver pfft.. scotch
 
Indeed, this scuttlebutt about him was very useful
Definitions for scuttlebutt
Informal. rumor or gossip.
Nautical. a. an open cask of drinking water. b. a drinking fountain for use by the crew of a vessel.
 
6:31 PM
@Cerberus That's not a question?
 
@Cerberus oh, one more datum: in Russian it's the same verb you'd use for filtering milk through gauze to make cheese, but that's about it. It's not really used outside of these two contexts. A stormy petrel of sorts.
 
In uptalk, how do you intonate questions?
@RegDwigнt a fraternal twin of stormy petrel
except you can have a fraternal order
 
@Mitch a fraternal twin of the stormy pretzel FTFY
 
and fraternalize with the local populace
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver fraternal twin of 'stormy petrel'. FT'FTFY'FY
 
@Mitch fr tl;dr
 
6:35 PM
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver Everything wrong with eww
 
@Mitch buttlescut
he
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver that's not a word.
 
@Cerberus @Mitch I guess my question about the most supremely awful day boils down to the validity of most supremely, which I don't see anything wrong with. You can have the/a supremely awful day, and so you can have the most supremely awful day.
 
6:36 PM
scut work sounds like what it is.
 
@RegDwigнt Hmm how odd.
@Mitch Or is it?
 
@Færd technically it's superlativizing an absolute (eg 'very unique')
 
@Færd Supremely is already the highest. You can't the the most highest.
 
Just overemphasizing, or overexaggerating. People do that.
 
@Cerberus Supreme < Ultimate
 
6:38 PM
What Mitch says.
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver I wouldn't say that...
 
Also they added to the definition of literally in the dictionary
"used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true."
...why?
 
Ulter, ulterior, ultimus.
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver Because some people feel that beauty and style do not matter.
 
@Cerberus I'm literally dying
asdfgdhhhhhhbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
 
RIP.
 
@Mitch Which is fine, no?
 
6:42 PM
@Mitch I'm better than you times infinity and one
 
@Cerberus Supreme is not always an absolute. Thus supremely need not be either.
 
Can you give me an example that isn't ugly?
 
@tchrist @MattE.Эллен in other news, I've finally come around to binge-watching QI, and have been doing so for two weeks now.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver True. Most ultimately is off the table for me, unlike most supremely.
 
Oh my word is it excellent.
 
6:44 PM
+1
Though I've not binge-watched it.
 
The best thing since, up until to, and instead of, sliced bread. And most unquestionably so.
 
@Cerberus The OED entry for supreme has "You are a supreme artist" among others, including entries for "most supreme" and "more supreme"
 
Break is broken.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And?
 
I'm more supreme than you!
 
I'm supremer than the white race.
I'm black and white.
 
6:45 PM
I'm black, white, and covered in glitter
 
@Cerberus so if supreme is absolute there can't be more than one supreme artist.
 
@Cerberus first thing in the morning I come to work, I put on my headphones and head straight to the QI playlist on YouTube. Last thing in the evening, I take my headphones off and am ever-so-slightly enlightedner.
Stephen Fry is the national treasure.
Not that I didn't know that before, but now I know it to the fullest of extents.
 
@RegDwigнt Spoilers, man!
 
Just how would you know I'm not a woman? Internalized misogyny???
 
6:47 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hyperbolee? Besides, how does a quotation prove its own non-ugliness?
@RegDwigнt That's...sick.
 
@RegDwigнt No, spelling it wrong was correct
 
I like it.
 
You must take on the personality traits of the people who would usually say that and mean it
 
@Cerberus Hello Ali G. and welcome to ELU chat.
 
@RegDwigнt Hurray!!!
 
6:48 PM
Do you remember when Borat was at this American dinner party?
 
@Cerberus I'm not going to debate aesthetics with you.
 
@tchrist for boobies, no less.
 
And of course he didn't know he could flush the loo?
 
@RegDwigнt Ask @KitZ.Fox: she has femidar for sussing these things out of quiplets.
 
So he brought in his...proceeds in a bag to the dining room?
 
6:49 PM
@Cerberus Kazachstan is the beeeest, country in the wooorrld!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It was always about that, and you knew it.
 
Kazakhstan for BRICS
Then it will be BRICKS!
 
"Borat" =~ s/o//r
 
6:51 PM
@Cerberus Well, not really. When you say things like "It's an absolute, you can't make it more absolute", it's presented as a point of logic, but the truth is, it's not necessarily an absolute.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Syserr, core dump: Parse limit set to seven on painkillers.
 
@RegDwigнt My browser.
Recognise the icons?
 
@Cerberus welcome to 1992, Cerberus!
I recognize all the icons.
Icon recognition is my day job.
 
The ones you gave me.
Playing Russian songs.
 
6:53 PM
I gave you many things.
 
@RegDwigнt U Ortodoxie u.
 
Like you, I don't like to close tabs.
 
Like me, you're insane.
 
I don't even need to click to know what it is.
 
6:54 PM
I know.
Playing it now...
 
На сопках Манчжурии.
 
Manchuria?
 
Yup.
 
When the Soviets conquered Japanese Manchuria?
 
Should be it.
Sounds more like a Spanish province though.
 
6:55 PM
La Mancha?
 
Дон Кихот.
 
Don't worry, it's Mantsjoerije in Dutch.
 
What an inefficient language.
Using fifty letters for one.
 
@Cerberus because people are idiots
jinx
 
Het Mantsjoerije-incident (満州事件, Manshū jihen), wordt door de meeste mensen geïnterpreteerd als de militaire actie die ondernomen werd door het Japanse Kanto-leger (関東軍, Kantogun) in de nacht van 18 september 1931. Het begrip omvat echter veel meer dan dit alleen. Het Mantsjoerije-incident staat symbool voor de gehele politiek die Japan heeft doorgevoerd in Mantsjoerije, vanaf het ontwikkelen van het Kanto-pachtgebied (関東) tot en met het oprichten van de onafhankelijke staat Mantsjoekwo (満州国). Het Mantsjoerije-incident is een cruciale factor in de ontwikkeling van militarisme en imperialisme in...
 
6:56 PM
Idiots are also people.
@Cerberus one-uppance time!
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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Any good writing advice includes considerations of beauty and style.
 
Prachtige ongelukken zwaffelen!
Note how this time I use the alternative spelling with a Z. I am cuil like that.
 
@Færd in formal writing/speech, it may be stylistically undesired.
 
I would spell it with a z.
 
Taumatawhakatangi­hangakoauauotamatea­turipukakapikimaunga­horonukupokaiwhen­uakitanatahu is the Māori name for a hill located close to Porangahau, south of Waipukurau in southern Hawke's Bay, New Zealand. The height of the hill is 305 metres (1,001 ft). The hill is notable primarily for its unusually long name, which is often shortened to Taumata for brevity. It has gained a measure of fame as it is the longest place name found in any English-speaking country, and the second-longest place name in the world, according to Wises New Zealand Guide and The New Zealand Herald. The name of the hill ...
 
6:57 PM
You're insane, we've established.
 
The naming of this island is enough of an incident
 
Lovely.
 
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@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver infinity^2?
 
@Mitch infinity^infinity
 
6:59 PM
@Cerberus think of it as a beauty spot.
that's really a melanoma
 
So is the plural ongelukken? Cuz that would mean I am seriously awesum.
 
@Demisemihemidemisemiquaver infinity tower of infinities
 
@Mitch Infinity tower of infinities...
plus one
 
that squared
 

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